Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Have they actively tried to " warn " people (something other than a sign)? I work at a county service and have gone there on ocassion and haven't ever been told by any police officer to turn our engines off. I usually do, but I have let it running. If they are just trying to make a point, I can see people transporting to another facility that isn't so " ticket happy " . Come on, lets try an alternative than writing tickets to people who really don't make that much money anyway. Plus, who gets the ticket...how does the officer know who was actually driving?? D. Stone Randy wrote: I work at MedStar and it was brought to my attention on Saturday night that from now on, any ambulance left running in the ambulance bay at JPS will receive a $133.00 ticket from JPS Police. They are using the following law: Texas Penal Code § 545.404. UNATTENDED MOTOR VEHICLE. An operator may not leave the vehicle unattended without: (1) stopping the engine; (2) locking the ignition; (3) removing the key from the ignition; (4) setting the parking brake effectively; and (5) if standing on a grade, turning the front wheels to the curb or side of the highway. Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 165, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1995. The reason for enforcing this law is because the hospital says that the diesel fumes are going up into the ICU which is directly above the ambulance parking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 I've found that using honey catches more bee than using natural fertilizer. There are several hospitals we transport to which ask us, either by signage or in person to shut our units down while at the ER dock. Threatening to write the crew a citation or actually doing so is, IMHO, a might extreme. Barry E. McClung, Paramedic/Crew Chief North Blanco County EMS City, Texas Randy wrote: I work at MedStar and it was brought to my attention on Saturday night that from now on, any ambulance left running in the ambulance bay at JPS will receive a $133.00 ticket from JPS Police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm sure somebody will, but I seem to remember a sign in the ambulance bay at JPS telling you to shut your engines off. I also remember from my Medstar days that we were asked by our supervisors to shut our engines off while in the bay, therefore people would park just outside the awning so they could keep their truck running. Anyone remember different? Ken RE: Tickets at JPS I've found that using honey catches more bee than using natural fertilizer. There are several hospitals we transport to which ask us, either by signage or in person to shut our units down while at the ER dock. Threatening to write the crew a citation or actually doing so is, IMHO, a might extreme. Barry E. McClung, Paramedic/Crew Chief North Blanco County EMS City, Texas Randy wrote: I work at MedStar and it was brought to my attention on Saturday night that from now on, any ambulance left running in the ambulance bay at JPS will receive a $133.00 ticket from JPS Police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm sure somebody will, but I seem to remember a sign in the ambulance bay at JPS telling you to shut your engines off. I also remember from my Medstar days that we were asked by our supervisors to shut our engines off while in the bay, therefore people would park just outside the awning so they could keep their truck running. Anyone remember different? Ken RE: Tickets at JPS I've found that using honey catches more bee than using natural fertilizer. There are several hospitals we transport to which ask us, either by signage or in person to shut our units down while at the ER dock. Threatening to write the crew a citation or actually doing so is, IMHO, a might extreme. Barry E. McClung, Paramedic/Crew Chief North Blanco County EMS City, Texas Randy wrote: I work at MedStar and it was brought to my attention on Saturday night that from now on, any ambulance left running in the ambulance bay at JPS will receive a $133.00 ticket from JPS Police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm sure somebody will, but I seem to remember a sign in the ambulance bay at JPS telling you to shut your engines off. I also remember from my Medstar days that we were asked by our supervisors to shut our engines off while in the bay, therefore people would park just outside the awning so they could keep their truck running. Anyone remember different? Ken RE: Tickets at JPS I've found that using honey catches more bee than using natural fertilizer. There are several hospitals we transport to which ask us, either by signage or in person to shut our units down while at the ER dock. Threatening to write the crew a citation or actually doing so is, IMHO, a might extreme. Barry E. McClung, Paramedic/Crew Chief North Blanco County EMS City, Texas Randy wrote: I work at MedStar and it was brought to my attention on Saturday night that from now on, any ambulance left running in the ambulance bay at JPS will receive a $133.00 ticket from JPS Police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Nope, that is the way I recall it, both from working in the ER at JPS and the streets at Medstar. RE: Tickets at JPS I've found that using honey catches more bee than using natural fertilizer. There are several hospitals we transport to which ask us, either by signage or in person to shut our units down while at the ER dock. Threatening to write the crew a citation or actually doing so is, IMHO, a might extreme. Barry E. McClung, Paramedic/Crew Chief North Blanco County EMS City, Texas Randy wrote: I work at MedStar and it was brought to my attention on Saturday night that from now on, any ambulance left running in the ambulance bay at JPS will receive a $133.00 ticket from JPS Police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Parkland is the same way, but I've never heard of anyone getting a ticket for it!! Red RE: Tickets at JPS I've found that using honey catches more bee than using natural fertilizer. There are several hospitals we transport to which ask us, either by signage or in person to shut our units down while at the ER dock. Threatening to write the crew a citation or actually doing so is, IMHO, a might extreme. Barry E. McClung, Paramedic/Crew Chief North Blanco County EMS City, Texas Randy wrote: I work at MedStar and it was brought to my attention on Saturday night that from now on, any ambulance left running in the ambulance bay at JPS will receive a $133.00 ticket from JPS Police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Parkland is the same way, but I've never heard of anyone getting a ticket for it!! Red RE: Tickets at JPS I've found that using honey catches more bee than using natural fertilizer. There are several hospitals we transport to which ask us, either by signage or in person to shut our units down while at the ER dock. Threatening to write the crew a citation or actually doing so is, IMHO, a might extreme. Barry E. McClung, Paramedic/Crew Chief North Blanco County EMS City, Texas Randy wrote: I work at MedStar and it was brought to my attention on Saturday night that from now on, any ambulance left running in the ambulance bay at JPS will receive a $133.00 ticket from JPS Police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 See if he turns his vehicle off while he's out of it writing you your ticket. If not, he's guilty of the same thing. Then again, so are the firefighters who leave their trucks to go into burning buildings (the engine has to be running to pump), and the police officers who leave their cars running when they go to emergencies, etc. Medstar should ask the hospital to sign a blanket waiver stating that JPS assumes responsibility for any drugs found to be less effective due to temperature extremes related to MICU's not being able to regulate their temperatures while parked at JPS. That ought to wake up the lawyers. JPS also needs to invest in a simple exhaust filter/revoery system, or better ventilation. <I'm in an evil thought mood tonight, I lost an acquaintance to a LODD death in Austin this week.> Mike > > > I work at MedStar and it was brought to my attention on Saturday > night that from now on, any ambulance left running in the ambulance > bay at JPS will receive a $133.00 ticket from JPS Police. They are > using the following law: Texas Penal Code > > § 545.404. UNATTENDED MOTOR VEHICLE. An operator may > not leave the vehicle unattended without: > (1) stopping the > engine; > (2) locking the > ignition; > (3) removing the key from the > ignition; > (4) setting the parking brake effectively; > and > (5) if standing on a grade, turning the front wheels > to > the curb or side of the highway. > > Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 165, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1995. > > The reason for enforcing this law is because the hospital says that > the diesel fumes are going up into the ICU which is directly above > the ambulance parking > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 See if he turns his vehicle off while he's out of it writing you your ticket. If not, he's guilty of the same thing. Then again, so are the firefighters who leave their trucks to go into burning buildings (the engine has to be running to pump), and the police officers who leave their cars running when they go to emergencies, etc. Medstar should ask the hospital to sign a blanket waiver stating that JPS assumes responsibility for any drugs found to be less effective due to temperature extremes related to MICU's not being able to regulate their temperatures while parked at JPS. That ought to wake up the lawyers. JPS also needs to invest in a simple exhaust filter/revoery system, or better ventilation. <I'm in an evil thought mood tonight, I lost an acquaintance to a LODD death in Austin this week.> Mike > > > I work at MedStar and it was brought to my attention on Saturday > night that from now on, any ambulance left running in the ambulance > bay at JPS will receive a $133.00 ticket from JPS Police. They are > using the following law: Texas Penal Code > > § 545.404. UNATTENDED MOTOR VEHICLE. An operator may > not leave the vehicle unattended without: > (1) stopping the > engine; > (2) locking the > ignition; > (3) removing the key from the > ignition; > (4) setting the parking brake effectively; > and > (5) if standing on a grade, turning the front wheels > to > the curb or side of the highway. > > Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 165, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1995. > > The reason for enforcing this law is because the hospital says that > the diesel fumes are going up into the ICU which is directly above > the ambulance parking > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 Just for information. Let them give you a ticket. Take it to the judge. He should dismiss it on the grounds of being an emergency vehicle. Would the LE folks care to comment on this? Danny L. Owner/NREMT-P Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response (PETSAR) Office FAX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 Just for information. Let them give you a ticket. Take it to the judge. He should dismiss it on the grounds of being an emergency vehicle. Would the LE folks care to comment on this? Danny L. Owner/NREMT-P Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response (PETSAR) Office FAX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 Medstar's trucks have a safety switch which allows you to take the key out of the ignition with the truck still running and then you can lock the doors. When the brake is pushed before the key is placed back in the ignition the truck will die. That should take the wind out of there sails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 Ken, You are correct. There is a sign posted, as well, our Supervisors have received phone calls from Tarrant County Hospital District Police personnel requesting that we remind the crews to shut the engines off. Each time, they have been very professional and polite. I can understand their frustration, though. I was contacted in the office on Friday and asked, again, if we could remind our crews to shut the engines off. We have it in our SOP's to shut the trucks off while parked under Hospital ER bays. I understand the drug adulteration concerns; however, there are other methods of maintaining proper medication temperatures. It has also been my experience that while in the back of the ambulance, in the middle of summer, keeping the truck running (allowing the A/C to stay running) still doesn't keep the drugs within the proper range, though it does help some. I am curious to read others' thoughts on how JPS Police could enforce this policy without writing tickets. I think JPS PD is running out of honey....what else should they try? Macara Re: Tickets at JPS Correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm sure somebody will, but I seem to remember a sign in the ambulance bay at JPS telling you to shut your engines off. I also remember from my Medstar days that we were asked by our supervisors to shut our engines off while in the bay, therefore people would park just outside the awning so they could keep their truck running. Anyone remember different? Ken RE: Tickets at JPS I've found that using honey catches more bee than using natural fertilizer. There are several hospitals we transport to which ask us, either by signage or in person to shut our units down while at the ER dock. Threatening to write the crew a citation or actually doing so is, IMHO, a might extreme. Barry E. McClung, Paramedic/Crew Chief North Blanco County EMS City, Texas Randy wrote: I work at MedStar and it was brought to my attention on Saturday night that from now on, any ambulance left running in the ambulance bay at JPS will receive a $133.00 ticket from JPS Police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 Ken, You are correct. There is a sign posted, as well, our Supervisors have received phone calls from Tarrant County Hospital District Police personnel requesting that we remind the crews to shut the engines off. Each time, they have been very professional and polite. I can understand their frustration, though. I was contacted in the office on Friday and asked, again, if we could remind our crews to shut the engines off. We have it in our SOP's to shut the trucks off while parked under Hospital ER bays. I understand the drug adulteration concerns; however, there are other methods of maintaining proper medication temperatures. It has also been my experience that while in the back of the ambulance, in the middle of summer, keeping the truck running (allowing the A/C to stay running) still doesn't keep the drugs within the proper range, though it does help some. I am curious to read others' thoughts on how JPS Police could enforce this policy without writing tickets. I think JPS PD is running out of honey....what else should they try? Macara Re: Tickets at JPS Correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm sure somebody will, but I seem to remember a sign in the ambulance bay at JPS telling you to shut your engines off. I also remember from my Medstar days that we were asked by our supervisors to shut our engines off while in the bay, therefore people would park just outside the awning so they could keep their truck running. Anyone remember different? Ken RE: Tickets at JPS I've found that using honey catches more bee than using natural fertilizer. There are several hospitals we transport to which ask us, either by signage or in person to shut our units down while at the ER dock. Threatening to write the crew a citation or actually doing so is, IMHO, a might extreme. Barry E. McClung, Paramedic/Crew Chief North Blanco County EMS City, Texas Randy wrote: I work at MedStar and it was brought to my attention on Saturday night that from now on, any ambulance left running in the ambulance bay at JPS will receive a $133.00 ticket from JPS Police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 Ken, You are correct. There is a sign posted, as well, our Supervisors have received phone calls from Tarrant County Hospital District Police personnel requesting that we remind the crews to shut the engines off. Each time, they have been very professional and polite. I can understand their frustration, though. I was contacted in the office on Friday and asked, again, if we could remind our crews to shut the engines off. We have it in our SOP's to shut the trucks off while parked under Hospital ER bays. I understand the drug adulteration concerns; however, there are other methods of maintaining proper medication temperatures. It has also been my experience that while in the back of the ambulance, in the middle of summer, keeping the truck running (allowing the A/C to stay running) still doesn't keep the drugs within the proper range, though it does help some. I am curious to read others' thoughts on how JPS Police could enforce this policy without writing tickets. I think JPS PD is running out of honey....what else should they try? Macara Re: Tickets at JPS Correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm sure somebody will, but I seem to remember a sign in the ambulance bay at JPS telling you to shut your engines off. I also remember from my Medstar days that we were asked by our supervisors to shut our engines off while in the bay, therefore people would park just outside the awning so they could keep their truck running. Anyone remember different? Ken RE: Tickets at JPS I've found that using honey catches more bee than using natural fertilizer. There are several hospitals we transport to which ask us, either by signage or in person to shut our units down while at the ER dock. Threatening to write the crew a citation or actually doing so is, IMHO, a might extreme. Barry E. McClung, Paramedic/Crew Chief North Blanco County EMS City, Texas Randy wrote: I work at MedStar and it was brought to my attention on Saturday night that from now on, any ambulance left running in the ambulance bay at JPS will receive a $133.00 ticket from JPS Police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 That's no fun. What happened to the Kenny N. I used to work with!!!! Obviously, this is an impostor posing at Kenny. Back in the early 80's the Kenny I knew would have told the hospital cops to go wipe their @$$ with their ticket book. In a message dated 11/1/04 1:34:37 PM Central Standard Time, kenneth.navarro@... writes: > Of course, another possible response could be to just turn your > truck off when you pull into the bay. > > Kenny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 That's no fun. What happened to the Kenny N. I used to work with!!!! Obviously, this is an impostor posing at Kenny. Back in the early 80's the Kenny I knew would have told the hospital cops to go wipe their @$$ with their ticket book. In a message dated 11/1/04 1:34:37 PM Central Standard Time, kenneth.navarro@... writes: > Of course, another possible response could be to just turn your > truck off when you pull into the bay. > > Kenny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 > Sounds like a bunch of " ticket " happy cops to me. But > it would be interesting to see who one of these would > stand up in court. If it were taken to court by even the most incompetent attorney, it would not hold up at all. State law exempts emergency vehicles from adherence to traffic control and parking control devices, therefore their silly signs do not apply. Of course, this is only if you are on an EMERGENCY call. Transfer jocks are fair game. But then, transfer jocks shouldn't be taking up valuable dock space in the first place. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 > Sounds like a bunch of " ticket " happy cops to me. But > it would be interesting to see who one of these would > stand up in court. If it were taken to court by even the most incompetent attorney, it would not hold up at all. State law exempts emergency vehicles from adherence to traffic control and parking control devices, therefore their silly signs do not apply. Of course, this is only if you are on an EMERGENCY call. Transfer jocks are fair game. But then, transfer jocks shouldn't be taking up valuable dock space in the first place. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 > Sounds like a bunch of " ticket " happy cops to me. But > it would be interesting to see who one of these would > stand up in court. If it were taken to court by even the most incompetent attorney, it would not hold up at all. State law exempts emergency vehicles from adherence to traffic control and parking control devices, therefore their silly signs do not apply. Of course, this is only if you are on an EMERGENCY call. Transfer jocks are fair game. But then, transfer jocks shouldn't be taking up valuable dock space in the first place. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 The JPS cops are going to have to find out who was driving the vehicle. This isn't like a parking ticket that you leave on the windshield. And if any JPS cops ask if you were driving, you don't have to answer... Wes Ogilvie, EMT-B, JD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 You need to look at the laws, emergency vehicles are not exempt to all traffic control and parking control laws. A. Ozenberger BS,LP,CHT Training Specialist III Education Laboratory UTMB - Galveston (409)747-2146 www.utmb.edu/edlab Re: Tickets at JPS > Sounds like a bunch of " ticket " happy cops to me. But > it would be interesting to see who one of these would > stand up in court. If it were taken to court by even the most incompetent attorney, it would not hold up at all. State law exempts emergency vehicles from adherence to traffic control and parking control devices, therefore their silly signs do not apply. Of course, this is only if you are on an EMERGENCY call. Transfer jocks are fair game. But then, transfer jocks shouldn't be taking up valuable dock space in the first place. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 You need to look at the laws, emergency vehicles are not exempt to all traffic control and parking control laws. A. Ozenberger BS,LP,CHT Training Specialist III Education Laboratory UTMB - Galveston (409)747-2146 www.utmb.edu/edlab Re: Tickets at JPS > Sounds like a bunch of " ticket " happy cops to me. But > it would be interesting to see who one of these would > stand up in court. If it were taken to court by even the most incompetent attorney, it would not hold up at all. State law exempts emergency vehicles from adherence to traffic control and parking control devices, therefore their silly signs do not apply. Of course, this is only if you are on an EMERGENCY call. Transfer jocks are fair game. But then, transfer jocks shouldn't be taking up valuable dock space in the first place. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 You need to look at the laws, emergency vehicles are not exempt to all traffic control and parking control laws. A. Ozenberger BS,LP,CHT Training Specialist III Education Laboratory UTMB - Galveston (409)747-2146 www.utmb.edu/edlab Re: Tickets at JPS > Sounds like a bunch of " ticket " happy cops to me. But > it would be interesting to see who one of these would > stand up in court. If it were taken to court by even the most incompetent attorney, it would not hold up at all. State law exempts emergency vehicles from adherence to traffic control and parking control devices, therefore their silly signs do not apply. Of course, this is only if you are on an EMERGENCY call. Transfer jocks are fair game. But then, transfer jocks shouldn't be taking up valuable dock space in the first place. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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