Re: Comment on CT in Paramus NJ and Question for everyone

[Guest guest]

Hi Carolyn,

You're not the first one to have negative feedback about Paramus CT.

My duaghter's pediatrician and physical therapist both told me that

CT had a recent change of staff and had seen kids with poor fittings

lately.

Our Physical Therapist recommended Cranial Solutions in Pompoton

Lakes, NJ. I spoke to the Orthotist there who told me they use a

proprietary band that he makes himself. It is like the Doc band. He

said he's been making his own bands for 5 years, and working with

plagio kids for 20 years. I'm not sure how I feel about using a

proprietary band ...

My pediatrician recommends Nouveau in Hazelet, NJ. There have been

posts on this list about Nouveau.

Please post us progress - I hope you have good results.

-

--- In Plagiocephaly , " Carolyn " <ginasmomma@y...>

wrote:

>

> I know someone was asking opinions on CT. WE us the one in

Paramus

> and to be totally honest i am not thrilled with them. We were

> tagged teamed when we went the first two times b/c the one girl

was

> in traiining. I think they were pushing the band when i don't

> really think that they needed too. The one we are seeing now is

new

> and i am not sure how much experience she has. I just thought

that

> they were out for the money and a little snotty too.

>

> As for doctors we never saw a Ortho we saw a Plastic surgeon down

in

> Freehold names Dr. Kim. I liked him and thought he was very

> knowledgable.

>

> As for my question. WE have measurements and i asked the lady at

CT

> about the how long my son PJ would needto be in it and she said

> until he grew out of it or we were satisfied. I asked about the

> measurements b/c she said 2-3 was the norm i asked what we should

> look to get to with the helemt and she told me they only use the

> measurements for insurance purposes and they won't be using the

> measurements anymore. How am i suppose to know if they is any

> change? Do the other CT do measurements during the band checks?

>

> These are his measurements so i guess we aren't too bad (we jsut

got

> the band last monday:

>

> 6/2/05 6/29/05 9/12/05

>

> cranial width 124 126 128

>

> cranial length 143 146 152

>

> cephalic index 86.7 86.3 84.21

>

> cranial vault asymmetry 9 8 6

> fzr-eul 132 134 138

> fzl-eur 123 126 132

>

> Trans-cranial vault ass 15 12 11

> fzr-ocpl 142 142 146

> fzr-ocpr 127 130 133

>

> Mid-Face Asymmetry 3 2 1

> exl-tl 48 49 52

> exl-tr 45 47 53

>

> Skull Base Asymmetry 5 4 2

> sn-tl 89 90 93

> sn-tr 84 86 94

>

> I am concerned b/c i know that he is not going to round out fully

> but he is not so severe that it is really noticeable. He has a

head

> of hair that hides it. Shouldn't we be having some reading or

> something. I feel like it is a racket just to make $3k.

>

> Carolyn

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Carolyn. I too didn't have a great experience at the Paramus

location. The girl who answers the phone was wonderful. I thought

that they were pushing the band and used the scare tactic with us,

that Brielle would have all the health issues if we didn't do it. We

didn't end up banding her and I was a bit annoyed with them. I

practically forced the girl to do the measurements on Brielle. Come

to find out she was new 4 months there. Brielle was 7mm cranial

vault Enough said, it sounds like your baby is making great

progress. From what I had read in the past, 0-3 mm normal 4-6 mm

doesn't need a band is mild, so your baby is doing great. Good

luck. Debbie and Brielle (9mos, repostioned) NJ

.. -- In Plagiocephaly , " Carolyn " <ginasmomma@y...>

wrote:

>

> I know someone was asking opinions on CT. WE us the one in Paramus

> and to be totally honest i am not thrilled with them. We were

> tagged teamed when we went the first two times b/c the one girl was

> in traiining. I think they were pushing the band when i don't

> really think that they needed too. The one we are seeing now is

new

> and i am not sure how much experience she has. I just thought that

> they were out for the money and a little snotty too.

>

> As for doctors we never saw a Ortho we saw a Plastic surgeon down

in

> Freehold names Dr. Kim. I liked him and thought he was very

> knowledgable.

>

> As for my question. WE have measurements and i asked the lady at

CT

> about the how long my son PJ would needto be in it and she said

> until he grew out of it or we were satisfied. I asked about the

> measurements b/c she said 2-3 was the norm i asked what we should

> look to get to with the helemt and she told me they only use the

> measurements for insurance purposes and they won't be using the

> measurements anymore. How am i suppose to know if they is any

> change? Do the other CT do measurements during the band checks?

>

> These are his measurements so i guess we aren't too bad (we jsut

got

> the band last monday:

>

> 6/2/05 6/29/05 9/12/05

>

> cranial width 124 126 128

>

> cranial length 143 146 152

>

> cephalic index 86.7 86.3 84.21

>

> cranial vault asymmetry 9 8 6

> fzr-eul 132 134 138

> fzl-eur 123 126 132

>

> Trans-cranial vault ass 15 12 11

> fzr-ocpl 142 142 146

> fzr-ocpr 127 130 133

>

> Mid-Face Asymmetry 3 2 1

> exl-tl 48 49 52

> exl-tr 45 47 53

>

> Skull Base Asymmetry 5 4 2

> sn-tl 89 90 93

> sn-tr 84 86 94

>

> I am concerned b/c i know that he is not going to round out fully

> but he is not so severe that it is really noticeable. He has a

head

> of hair that hides it. Shouldn't we be having some reading or

> something. I feel like it is a racket just to make $3k.

>

> Carolyn

>

[Guest guest]

Carolyn,

I'm sure if you ask them to measure him throughout treatment they

will. When Dane was banded I asked a couple times for measurements to

reassure myself.

Sorry to hear you had a less than positive experience so far.

Hopefully that will change soon, but it's important to share our

feelings.

Mom to Dane 4yo (DOC Grad) and Cecelia 9 mo (DOC 9/05)

[Guest guest]

Carolyn,

Sorry to hear that you're not totally pleased with your ortho at CT!

I went to the Chicago Oakbrook clinic and I was very pleased with my

clinician and all the staff there!

As far as the measurments go, we never had any taken. Our ortho said

they are for insurances usaully and my insurance didn't require them.

We just based Waydon's improvements from the headsicle and the

photos. Hope you start feeling better with them after another visit

or two!

Lacy

Waydon's mom 11 1/2 months

DOCgrad tomorrow.

>

> I know someone was asking opinions on CT. WE us the one in Paramus

> and to be totally honest i am not thrilled with them. We were

> tagged teamed when we went the first two times b/c the one girl was

> in traiining. I think they were pushing the band when i don't

> really think that they needed too. The one we are seeing now is new

> and i am not sure how much experience she has. I just thought that

> they were out for the money and a little snotty too.

>

> As for doctors we never saw a Ortho we saw a Plastic surgeon down in

> Freehold names Dr. Kim. I liked him and thought he was very

> knowledgable.

>

> As for my question. WE have measurements and i asked the lady at CT

> about the how long my son PJ would needto be in it and she said

> until he grew out of it or we were satisfied. I asked about the

> measurements b/c she said 2-3 was the norm i asked what we should

> look to get to with the helemt and she told me they only use the

> measurements for insurance purposes and they won't be using the

> measurements anymore. How am i suppose to know if they is any

> change? Do the other CT do measurements during the band checks?

>

> These are his measurements so i guess we aren't too bad (we jsut got

> the band last monday:

>

> 6/2/05 6/29/05 9/12/05

>

> cranial width 124 126 128

>

> cranial length 143 146 152

>

> cephalic index 86.7 86.3 84.21

>

> cranial vault asymmetry 9 8 6

> fzr-eul 132 134 138

> fzl-eur 123 126 132

>

> Trans-cranial vault ass 15 12 11

> fzr-ocpl 142 142 146

> fzr-ocpr 127 130 133

>

> Mid-Face Asymmetry 3 2 1

> exl-tl 48 49 52

> exl-tr 45 47 53

>

> Skull Base Asymmetry 5 4 2

> sn-tl 89 90 93

> sn-tr 84 86 94

>

> I am concerned b/c i know that he is not going to round out fully

> but he is not so severe that it is really noticeable. He has a head

> of hair that hides it. Shouldn't we be having some reading or

> something. I feel like it is a racket just to make $3k.

>

> Carolyn

>

[Guest guest]

Carolyn,

Sorry to hear that you're not totally pleased with your ortho at CT!

I went to the Chicago Oakbrook clinic and I was very pleased with my

clinician and all the staff there!

As far as the measurments go, we never had any taken. Our ortho said

they are for insurances usaully and my insurance didn't require them.

We just based Waydon's improvements from the headsicle and the

photos. Hope you start feeling better with them after another visit

or two!

Lacy

Waydon's mom 11 1/2 months

DOCgrad tomorrow.

>

> I know someone was asking opinions on CT. WE us the one in Paramus

> and to be totally honest i am not thrilled with them. We were

> tagged teamed when we went the first two times b/c the one girl was

> in traiining. I think they were pushing the band when i don't

> really think that they needed too. The one we are seeing now is new

> and i am not sure how much experience she has. I just thought that

> they were out for the money and a little snotty too.

>

> As for doctors we never saw a Ortho we saw a Plastic surgeon down in

> Freehold names Dr. Kim. I liked him and thought he was very

> knowledgable.

>

> As for my question. WE have measurements and i asked the lady at CT

> about the how long my son PJ would needto be in it and she said

> until he grew out of it or we were satisfied. I asked about the

> measurements b/c she said 2-3 was the norm i asked what we should

> look to get to with the helemt and she told me they only use the

> measurements for insurance purposes and they won't be using the

> measurements anymore. How am i suppose to know if they is any

> change? Do the other CT do measurements during the band checks?

>

> These are his measurements so i guess we aren't too bad (we jsut got

> the band last monday:

>

> 6/2/05 6/29/05 9/12/05

>

> cranial width 124 126 128

>

> cranial length 143 146 152

>

> cephalic index 86.7 86.3 84.21

>

> cranial vault asymmetry 9 8 6

> fzr-eul 132 134 138

> fzl-eur 123 126 132

>

> Trans-cranial vault ass 15 12 11

> fzr-ocpl 142 142 146

> fzr-ocpr 127 130 133

>

> Mid-Face Asymmetry 3 2 1

> exl-tl 48 49 52

> exl-tr 45 47 53

>

> Skull Base Asymmetry 5 4 2

> sn-tl 89 90 93

> sn-tr 84 86 94

>

> I am concerned b/c i know that he is not going to round out fully

> but he is not so severe that it is really noticeable. He has a head

> of hair that hides it. Shouldn't we be having some reading or

> something. I feel like it is a racket just to make $3k.

>

> Carolyn

>

[Guest guest]

My problem being that you really can't see it b/c of his hair. The pictures really don't show anything. MY son has had 4 haircuts in 9 months starting from 4 months old.waydonsmom <lacyjocarter@...> wrote:

Carolyn,Sorry to hear that you're not totally pleased with your ortho at CT! I went to the Chicago Oakbrook clinic and I was very pleased with myclinician and all the staff there! As far as the measurments go, we never had any taken. Our ortho saidthey are for insurances usaully and my insurance didn't require them.We just based Waydon's improvements from the headsicle and thephotos. Hope you start feeling better with them after another visitor two! LacyWaydon's mom 11 1/2 monthsDOCgrad tomorrow.>> I know someone was asking opinions on CT. WE us the one in Paramus > and to be totally honest i am not thrilled with them. We were > tagged teamed when we went the first two times b/c the

one girl was > in traiining. I think they were pushing the band when i don't > really think that they needed too. The one we are seeing now is new > and i am not sure how much experience she has. I just thought that > they were out for the money and a little snotty too. > > As for doctors we never saw a Ortho we saw a Plastic surgeon down in > Freehold names Dr. Kim. I liked him and thought he was very > knowledgable. > > As for my question. WE have measurements and i asked the lady at CT > about the how long my son PJ would needto be in it and she said > until he grew out of it or we were satisfied. I asked about the > measurements b/c she said 2-3 was the norm i asked what we should > look to get to with the helemt and she told me they only use the > measurements for insurance purposes and they won't be using the >

measurements anymore. How am i suppose to know if they is any > change? Do the other CT do measurements during the band checks?> > These are his measurements so i guess we aren't too bad (we jsut got > the band last monday:> > 6/2/05 6/29/05 9/12/05 > > cranial width 124 126 128> > cranial length 143 146

152> > cephalic index 86.7 86.3 84.21> > cranial vault asymmetry 9 8 6> fzr-eul 132 134 138> fzl-eur 123 126 132> > Trans-cranial vault

ass 15 12 11> fzr-ocpl 142 142 146> fzr-ocpr 127 130 133> > Mid-Face Asymmetry 3 2 1>

exl-tl 48 49 52> exl-tr 45 47 53> > Skull Base Asymmetry 5 4 2> sn-tl 89

90 93> sn-tr 84 86 94> > I am concerned b/c i know that he is not going to round out fully > but he is not so severe that it is really noticeable. He has a head > of hair that hides it. Shouldn't we be having some reading or > something. I feel like it is a racket just to make $3k. > > Carolyn>

Carolyn

Mom to and PJ

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[Guest guest]

My problem being that you really can't see it b/c of his hair. The pictures really don't show anything. MY son has had 4 haircuts in 9 months starting from 4 months old.waydonsmom <lacyjocarter@...> wrote:

Carolyn,Sorry to hear that you're not totally pleased with your ortho at CT! I went to the Chicago Oakbrook clinic and I was very pleased with myclinician and all the staff there! As far as the measurments go, we never had any taken. Our ortho saidthey are for insurances usaully and my insurance didn't require them.We just based Waydon's improvements from the headsicle and thephotos. Hope you start feeling better with them after another visitor two! LacyWaydon's mom 11 1/2 monthsDOCgrad tomorrow.>> I know someone was asking opinions on CT. WE us the one in Paramus > and to be totally honest i am not thrilled with them. We were > tagged teamed when we went the first two times b/c the

one girl was > in traiining. I think they were pushing the band when i don't > really think that they needed too. The one we are seeing now is new > and i am not sure how much experience she has. I just thought that > they were out for the money and a little snotty too. > > As for doctors we never saw a Ortho we saw a Plastic surgeon down in > Freehold names Dr. Kim. I liked him and thought he was very > knowledgable. > > As for my question. WE have measurements and i asked the lady at CT > about the how long my son PJ would needto be in it and she said > until he grew out of it or we were satisfied. I asked about the > measurements b/c she said 2-3 was the norm i asked what we should > look to get to with the helemt and she told me they only use the > measurements for insurance purposes and they won't be using the >

measurements anymore. How am i suppose to know if they is any > change? Do the other CT do measurements during the band checks?> > These are his measurements so i guess we aren't too bad (we jsut got > the band last monday:> > 6/2/05 6/29/05 9/12/05 > > cranial width 124 126 128> > cranial length 143 146

152> > cephalic index 86.7 86.3 84.21> > cranial vault asymmetry 9 8 6> fzr-eul 132 134 138> fzl-eur 123 126 132> > Trans-cranial vault

ass 15 12 11> fzr-ocpl 142 142 146> fzr-ocpr 127 130 133> > Mid-Face Asymmetry 3 2 1>

exl-tl 48 49 52> exl-tr 45 47 53> > Skull Base Asymmetry 5 4 2> sn-tl 89

90 93> sn-tr 84 86 94> > I am concerned b/c i know that he is not going to round out fully > but he is not so severe that it is really noticeable. He has a head > of hair that hides it. Shouldn't we be having some reading or > something. I feel like it is a racket just to make $3k. > > Carolyn>

Carolyn

Mom to and PJ

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[Guest guest]

Hi Carolyn,

I'm sorry to hear you aren't thrilled with your experience so far.

I do think it's important to talk to your ortho about that though

b/c you need to be comfortable with who you are getting treatment

from. To address some of your concerns though, with measurements

like your son has it is CT's job to recommend a band. His

measurements put him in the moderate category, which is definitely

band worthy. If you think it's just a racket to make $3,000 as you

said, do you mind me asking then why you decided to band him? Bands

are amazing things and saved my daugther very invasive surgery for

her severe plagio, and for that I would have paid out of pocket in a

second even I had to pay for it for the rest of my life! CT does

not use measurement b/c they simply don't tell the whole story.

They have a considerable margin of error and dont' reflect all areas

of concern (low or high flat spots for instance). They are just a

2D assessment of a 3D area, so they can't possibly reflect all areas

of concern. They use the headsicle instead and compare the visual

changes. I didn't care what my daughter's measurements were, but

just that her plagio and facial asymmetry wasn't noticable anymore.

We only had her measured at the very beginning of her first band

(she wore three) and then at the end of the first band only because

I asked. I was just curious b/c her change was so incredible! All

the CT's run on the same basic policies, as they are all run by the

corporate office, so they all do things basically the same. They

can't give you a very good idea of how long your baby will be banded

b/c it depends largely on how quickly your baby grows, which

obviously can't be predicted. It also depends on the level of

correction you are looking for. They may say your baby is a

candidate for a second band, meaning a he can achieve more

correction in one, but if you are happy after the first band then

you stop. It's all up to you. Again though, I would definitely

talk to your ortho about your concerns. Good luck.

, mom to Hannah, DOCgrad

Cape Cod, Ma

http://hannahsnoggin.typepad.com

--- In Plagiocephaly , " Carolyn " <ginasmomma@y...>

wrote:

>

> I know someone was asking opinions on CT. WE us the one in

Paramus

> and to be totally honest i am not thrilled with them. We were

> tagged teamed when we went the first two times b/c the one girl

was

> in traiining. I think they were pushing the band when i don't

> really think that they needed too. The one we are seeing now is

new

> and i am not sure how much experience she has. I just thought

that

> they were out for the money and a little snotty too.

>

> As for doctors we never saw a Ortho we saw a Plastic surgeon down

in

> Freehold names Dr. Kim. I liked him and thought he was very

> knowledgable.

>

> As for my question. WE have measurements and i asked the lady at

CT

> about the how long my son PJ would needto be in it and she said

> until he grew out of it or we were satisfied. I asked about the

> measurements b/c she said 2-3 was the norm i asked what we should

> look to get to with the helemt and she told me they only use the

> measurements for insurance purposes and they won't be using the

> measurements anymore. How am i suppose to know if they is any

> change? Do the other CT do measurements during the band checks?

>

> These are his measurements so i guess we aren't too bad (we jsut

got

> the band last monday:

>

> 6/2/05 6/29/05 9/12/05

>

> cranial width 124 126 128

>

> cranial length 143 146 152

>

> cephalic index 86.7 86.3 84.21

>

> cranial vault asymmetry 9 8 6

> fzr-eul 132 134 138

> fzl-eur 123 126 132

>

> Trans-cranial vault ass 15 12 11

> fzr-ocpl 142 142 146

> fzr-ocpr 127 130 133

>

> Mid-Face Asymmetry 3 2 1

> exl-tl 48 49 52

> exl-tr 45 47 53

>

> Skull Base Asymmetry 5 4 2

> sn-tl 89 90 93

> sn-tr 84 86 94

>

> I am concerned b/c i know that he is not going to round out fully

> but he is not so severe that it is really noticeable. He has a

head

> of hair that hides it. Shouldn't we be having some reading or

> something. I feel like it is a racket just to make $3k.

>

> Carolyn

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Carolyn,

I'm sorry to hear you aren't thrilled with your experience so far.

I do think it's important to talk to your ortho about that though

b/c you need to be comfortable with who you are getting treatment

from. To address some of your concerns though, with measurements

like your son has it is CT's job to recommend a band. His

measurements put him in the moderate category, which is definitely

band worthy. If you think it's just a racket to make $3,000 as you

said, do you mind me asking then why you decided to band him? Bands

are amazing things and saved my daugther very invasive surgery for

her severe plagio, and for that I would have paid out of pocket in a

second even I had to pay for it for the rest of my life! CT does

not use measurement b/c they simply don't tell the whole story.

They have a considerable margin of error and dont' reflect all areas

of concern (low or high flat spots for instance). They are just a

2D assessment of a 3D area, so they can't possibly reflect all areas

of concern. They use the headsicle instead and compare the visual

changes. I didn't care what my daughter's measurements were, but

just that her plagio and facial asymmetry wasn't noticable anymore.

We only had her measured at the very beginning of her first band

(she wore three) and then at the end of the first band only because

I asked. I was just curious b/c her change was so incredible! All

the CT's run on the same basic policies, as they are all run by the

corporate office, so they all do things basically the same. They

can't give you a very good idea of how long your baby will be banded

b/c it depends largely on how quickly your baby grows, which

obviously can't be predicted. It also depends on the level of

correction you are looking for. They may say your baby is a

candidate for a second band, meaning a he can achieve more

correction in one, but if you are happy after the first band then

you stop. It's all up to you. Again though, I would definitely

talk to your ortho about your concerns. Good luck.

, mom to Hannah, DOCgrad

Cape Cod, Ma

http://hannahsnoggin.typepad.com

--- In Plagiocephaly , " Carolyn " <ginasmomma@y...>

wrote:

>

> I know someone was asking opinions on CT. WE us the one in

Paramus

> and to be totally honest i am not thrilled with them. We were

> tagged teamed when we went the first two times b/c the one girl

was

> in traiining. I think they were pushing the band when i don't

> really think that they needed too. The one we are seeing now is

new

> and i am not sure how much experience she has. I just thought

that

> they were out for the money and a little snotty too.

>

> As for doctors we never saw a Ortho we saw a Plastic surgeon down

in

> Freehold names Dr. Kim. I liked him and thought he was very

> knowledgable.

>

> As for my question. WE have measurements and i asked the lady at

CT

> about the how long my son PJ would needto be in it and she said

> until he grew out of it or we were satisfied. I asked about the

> measurements b/c she said 2-3 was the norm i asked what we should

> look to get to with the helemt and she told me they only use the

> measurements for insurance purposes and they won't be using the

> measurements anymore. How am i suppose to know if they is any

> change? Do the other CT do measurements during the band checks?

>

> These are his measurements so i guess we aren't too bad (we jsut

got

> the band last monday:

>

> 6/2/05 6/29/05 9/12/05

>

> cranial width 124 126 128

>

> cranial length 143 146 152

>

> cephalic index 86.7 86.3 84.21

>

> cranial vault asymmetry 9 8 6

> fzr-eul 132 134 138

> fzl-eur 123 126 132

>

> Trans-cranial vault ass 15 12 11

> fzr-ocpl 142 142 146

> fzr-ocpr 127 130 133

>

> Mid-Face Asymmetry 3 2 1

> exl-tl 48 49 52

> exl-tr 45 47 53

>

> Skull Base Asymmetry 5 4 2

> sn-tl 89 90 93

> sn-tr 84 86 94

>

> I am concerned b/c i know that he is not going to round out fully

> but he is not so severe that it is really noticeable. He has a

head

> of hair that hides it. Shouldn't we be having some reading or

> something. I feel like it is a racket just to make $3k.

>

> Carolyn

>

[Guest guest]

Carolyn,

I'm sorry to hear that you are feeling a bit unsatified with the CT

in Paramus. To put your mind at ease all clinicians are fully trained

and then go through like you had a " tag team " phase before ever

touching a baby alone. This training is more than any of the other

providers ever go through. The measurements are used for insurance

only because they are only two dimensional measurements on a three

dimensional head. A good clinician uses thier eyes and hands to

assess the baby's head. One baby may show asymmetry of let's say 5mm

and another might show asymmetry of lets say 3mm and look worse, it

depends on where on the head and how the asymmetry in that particular

area affects the look of the head. Does that make sense to you. The

length of time spent in a band varies with the growth rate of the

child, but a maximum band life is 16 weeks. So your answer is until

your son grows out of the band (if before 16 weeks) or the full band

life(16 weeks). You will know if there is change because you will see

it as it occurs. You will also have a chance at each visit to compare

the orignal headmold to his head at each visit. No one is going to be

in business for free, especially not in the medical field, but after

going through what I have, they can have my money and I will thank

them for taking it. Let me know if you have any more questions you

need help with. Also have you contacted the office manager in Paramus

and told her your concerns, this is the only way things can be made

better for you.

CAROLG

--- In Plagiocephaly , " Carolyn " <ginasmomma@y...>

wrote:

>

> I know someone was asking opinions on CT. WE us the one in Paramus

> and to be totally honest i am not thrilled with them. We were

> tagged teamed when we went the first two times b/c the one girl was

> in traiining. I think they were pushing the band when i don't

> really think that they needed too. The one we are seeing now is

new

> and i am not sure how much experience she has. I just thought that

> they were out for the money and a little snotty too.

>

> As for doctors we never saw a Ortho we saw a Plastic surgeon down

in

> Freehold names Dr. Kim. I liked him and thought he was very

> knowledgable.

>

> As for my question. WE have measurements and i asked the lady at

CT

> about the how long my son PJ would needto be in it and she said

> until he grew out of it or we were satisfied. I asked about the

> measurements b/c she said 2-3 was the norm i asked what we should

> look to get to with the helemt and she told me they only use the

> measurements for insurance purposes and they won't be using the

> measurements anymore. How am i suppose to know if they is any

> change? Do the other CT do measurements during the band checks?

>

> These are his measurements so i guess we aren't too bad (we jsut

got

> the band last monday:

>

> 6/2/05 6/29/05 9/12/05

>

> cranial width 124 126 128

>

> cranial length 143 146 152

>

> cephalic index 86.7 86.3 84.21

>

> cranial vault asymmetry 9 8 6

> fzr-eul 132 134 138

> fzl-eur 123 126 132

>

> Trans-cranial vault ass 15 12 11

> fzr-ocpl 142 142 146

> fzr-ocpr 127 130 133

>

> Mid-Face Asymmetry 3 2 1

> exl-tl 48 49 52

> exl-tr 45 47 53

>

> Skull Base Asymmetry 5 4 2

> sn-tl 89 90 93

> sn-tr 84 86 94

>

> I am concerned b/c i know that he is not going to round out fully

> but he is not so severe that it is really noticeable. He has a

head

> of hair that hides it. Shouldn't we be having some reading or

> something. I feel like it is a racket just to make $3k.

>

> Carolyn

>

[Guest guest]

Carolyn,

I'm sorry to hear that you are feeling a bit unsatified with the CT

in Paramus. To put your mind at ease all clinicians are fully trained

and then go through like you had a " tag team " phase before ever

touching a baby alone. This training is more than any of the other

providers ever go through. The measurements are used for insurance

only because they are only two dimensional measurements on a three

dimensional head. A good clinician uses thier eyes and hands to

assess the baby's head. One baby may show asymmetry of let's say 5mm

and another might show asymmetry of lets say 3mm and look worse, it

depends on where on the head and how the asymmetry in that particular

area affects the look of the head. Does that make sense to you. The

length of time spent in a band varies with the growth rate of the

child, but a maximum band life is 16 weeks. So your answer is until

your son grows out of the band (if before 16 weeks) or the full band

life(16 weeks). You will know if there is change because you will see

it as it occurs. You will also have a chance at each visit to compare

the orignal headmold to his head at each visit. No one is going to be

in business for free, especially not in the medical field, but after

going through what I have, they can have my money and I will thank

them for taking it. Let me know if you have any more questions you

need help with. Also have you contacted the office manager in Paramus

and told her your concerns, this is the only way things can be made

better for you.

CAROLG

--- In Plagiocephaly , " Carolyn " <ginasmomma@y...>

wrote:

>

> I know someone was asking opinions on CT. WE us the one in Paramus

> and to be totally honest i am not thrilled with them. We were

> tagged teamed when we went the first two times b/c the one girl was

> in traiining. I think they were pushing the band when i don't

> really think that they needed too. The one we are seeing now is

new

> and i am not sure how much experience she has. I just thought that

> they were out for the money and a little snotty too.

>

> As for doctors we never saw a Ortho we saw a Plastic surgeon down

in

> Freehold names Dr. Kim. I liked him and thought he was very

> knowledgable.

>

> As for my question. WE have measurements and i asked the lady at

CT

> about the how long my son PJ would needto be in it and she said

> until he grew out of it or we were satisfied. I asked about the

> measurements b/c she said 2-3 was the norm i asked what we should

> look to get to with the helemt and she told me they only use the

> measurements for insurance purposes and they won't be using the

> measurements anymore. How am i suppose to know if they is any

> change? Do the other CT do measurements during the band checks?

>

> These are his measurements so i guess we aren't too bad (we jsut

got

> the band last monday:

>

> 6/2/05 6/29/05 9/12/05

>

> cranial width 124 126 128

>

> cranial length 143 146 152

>

> cephalic index 86.7 86.3 84.21

>

> cranial vault asymmetry 9 8 6

> fzr-eul 132 134 138

> fzl-eur 123 126 132

>

> Trans-cranial vault ass 15 12 11

> fzr-ocpl 142 142 146

> fzr-ocpr 127 130 133

>

> Mid-Face Asymmetry 3 2 1

> exl-tl 48 49 52

> exl-tr 45 47 53

>

> Skull Base Asymmetry 5 4 2

> sn-tl 89 90 93

> sn-tr 84 86 94

>

> I am concerned b/c i know that he is not going to round out fully

> but he is not so severe that it is really noticeable. He has a

head

> of hair that hides it. Shouldn't we be having some reading or

> something. I feel like it is a racket just to make $3k.

>

> Carolyn

>

[Guest guest]

,

Who told your pediatrician and pt about these bad fittings, or did

they determine this on thier own? I think this is a very important

because if there have been bad fittings coming out of NJ then someone

should notify CT corporate, maybe you can have your doc or pt call

the office and let them know. A problem like this that is observed by

a doctor should immeadiately be reported to a provider so the

situation can be thorough investigated and fixed.

CAROLG

> >

> > I know someone was asking opinions on CT. WE us the one in

> Paramus

> > and to be totally honest i am not thrilled with them. We were

> > tagged teamed when we went the first two times b/c the one girl

> was

> > in traiining. I think they were pushing the band when i don't

> > really think that they needed too. The one we are seeing now is

> new

> > and i am not sure how much experience she has. I just thought

> that

> > they were out for the money and a little snotty too.

> >

> > As for doctors we never saw a Ortho we saw a Plastic surgeon down

> in

> > Freehold names Dr. Kim. I liked him and thought he was very

> > knowledgable.

> >

> > As for my question. WE have measurements and i asked the lady at

> CT

> > about the how long my son PJ would needto be in it and she said

> > until he grew out of it or we were satisfied. I asked about the

> > measurements b/c she said 2-3 was the norm i asked what we should

> > look to get to with the helemt and she told me they only use the

> > measurements for insurance purposes and they won't be using the

> > measurements anymore. How am i suppose to know if they is any

> > change? Do the other CT do measurements during the band checks?

> >

> > These are his measurements so i guess we aren't too bad (we jsut

> got

> > the band last monday:

> >

> > 6/2/05 6/29/05 9/12/05

> >

> > cranial width 124 126 128

> >

> > cranial length 143 146 152

> >

> > cephalic index 86.7 86.3 84.21

> >

> > cranial vault asymmetry 9 8 6

> > fzr-eul 132 134 138

> > fzl-eur 123 126 132

> >

> > Trans-cranial vault ass 15 12 11

> > fzr-ocpl 142 142 146

> > fzr-ocpr 127 130 133

> >

> > Mid-Face Asymmetry 3 2 1

> > exl-tl 48 49 52

> > exl-tr 45 47 53

> >

> > Skull Base Asymmetry 5 4 2

> > sn-tl 89 90 93

> > sn-tr 84 86 94

> >

> > I am concerned b/c i know that he is not going to round out fully

> > but he is not so severe that it is really noticeable. He has a

> head

> > of hair that hides it. Shouldn't we be having some reading or

> > something. I feel like it is a racket just to make $3k.

> >

> > Carolyn

> >

>

[Guest guest]

,

Who told your pediatrician and pt about these bad fittings, or did

they determine this on thier own? I think this is a very important

because if there have been bad fittings coming out of NJ then someone

should notify CT corporate, maybe you can have your doc or pt call

the office and let them know. A problem like this that is observed by

a doctor should immeadiately be reported to a provider so the

situation can be thorough investigated and fixed.

CAROLG

> >

> > I know someone was asking opinions on CT. WE us the one in

> Paramus

> > and to be totally honest i am not thrilled with them. We were

> > tagged teamed when we went the first two times b/c the one girl

> was

> > in traiining. I think they were pushing the band when i don't

> > really think that they needed too. The one we are seeing now is

> new

> > and i am not sure how much experience she has. I just thought

> that

> > they were out for the money and a little snotty too.

> >

> > As for doctors we never saw a Ortho we saw a Plastic surgeon down

> in

> > Freehold names Dr. Kim. I liked him and thought he was very

> > knowledgable.

> >

> > As for my question. WE have measurements and i asked the lady at

> CT

> > about the how long my son PJ would needto be in it and she said

> > until he grew out of it or we were satisfied. I asked about the

> > measurements b/c she said 2-3 was the norm i asked what we should

> > look to get to with the helemt and she told me they only use the

> > measurements for insurance purposes and they won't be using the

> > measurements anymore. How am i suppose to know if they is any

> > change? Do the other CT do measurements during the band checks?

> >

> > These are his measurements so i guess we aren't too bad (we jsut

> got

> > the band last monday:

> >

> > 6/2/05 6/29/05 9/12/05

> >

> > cranial width 124 126 128

> >

> > cranial length 143 146 152

> >

> > cephalic index 86.7 86.3 84.21

> >

> > cranial vault asymmetry 9 8 6

> > fzr-eul 132 134 138

> > fzl-eur 123 126 132

> >

> > Trans-cranial vault ass 15 12 11

> > fzr-ocpl 142 142 146

> > fzr-ocpr 127 130 133

> >

> > Mid-Face Asymmetry 3 2 1

> > exl-tl 48 49 52

> > exl-tr 45 47 53

> >

> > Skull Base Asymmetry 5 4 2

> > sn-tl 89 90 93

> > sn-tr 84 86 94

> >

> > I am concerned b/c i know that he is not going to round out fully

> > but he is not so severe that it is really noticeable. He has a

> head

> > of hair that hides it. Shouldn't we be having some reading or

> > something. I feel like it is a racket just to make $3k.

> >

> > Carolyn

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Debbie,

Now you know me and I am not one to get on someone about what they

want to say, but lately it seems like you have been doing alot of CT

bashing. I know you had a hard time back then,and were worried

because the clinician was new, but I don't think they were pushing

you into a band at all. I told you this back then too. I think they

were trying to help a nervous mom who was extremely concerned that

repo alone would not realign her daughters ears. Ct begins banding

babies at 5mm so if Brielle was 7mm then she was a candidate for

banding. I think more than someone pushing a band on you, you got a

newer clinician who hadn't quite developed that bedside manner of

dealing with us insane plagiomoms. It just doesn't feel right when

you say the things in the way you have been.

CAROLG

> >

> > I know someone was asking opinions on CT. WE us the one in

Paramus

> > and to be totally honest i am not thrilled with them. We were

> > tagged teamed when we went the first two times b/c the one girl

was

> > in traiining. I think they were pushing the band when i don't

> > really think that they needed too. The one we are seeing now is

> new

> > and i am not sure how much experience she has. I just thought

that

> > they were out for the money and a little snotty too.

> >

> > As for doctors we never saw a Ortho we saw a Plastic surgeon down

> in

> > Freehold names Dr. Kim. I liked him and thought he was very

> > knowledgable.

> >

> > As for my question. WE have measurements and i asked the lady at

> CT

> > about the how long my son PJ would needto be in it and she said

> > until he grew out of it or we were satisfied. I asked about the

> > measurements b/c she said 2-3 was the norm i asked what we should

> > look to get to with the helemt and she told me they only use the

> > measurements for insurance purposes and they won't be using the

> > measurements anymore. How am i suppose to know if they is any

> > change? Do the other CT do measurements during the band checks?

> >

> > These are his measurements so i guess we aren't too bad (we jsut

> got

> > the band last monday:

> >

> > 6/2/05 6/29/05 9/12/05

> >

> > cranial width 124 126 128

> >

> > cranial length 143 146 152

> >

> > cephalic index 86.7 86.3 84.21

> >

> > cranial vault asymmetry 9 8 6

> > fzr-eul 132 134 138

> > fzl-eur 123 126 132

> >

> > Trans-cranial vault ass 15 12 11

> > fzr-ocpl 142 142 146

> > fzr-ocpr 127 130 133

> >

> > Mid-Face Asymmetry 3 2 1

> > exl-tl 48 49 52

> > exl-tr 45 47 53

> >

> > Skull Base Asymmetry 5 4 2

> > sn-tl 89 90 93

> > sn-tr 84 86 94

> >

> > I am concerned b/c i know that he is not going to round out fully

> > but he is not so severe that it is really noticeable. He has a

> head

> > of hair that hides it. Shouldn't we be having some reading or

> > something. I feel like it is a racket just to make $3k.

> >

> > Carolyn

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Debbie,

Now you know me and I am not one to get on someone about what they

want to say, but lately it seems like you have been doing alot of CT

bashing. I know you had a hard time back then,and were worried

because the clinician was new, but I don't think they were pushing

you into a band at all. I told you this back then too. I think they

were trying to help a nervous mom who was extremely concerned that

repo alone would not realign her daughters ears. Ct begins banding

babies at 5mm so if Brielle was 7mm then she was a candidate for

banding. I think more than someone pushing a band on you, you got a

newer clinician who hadn't quite developed that bedside manner of

dealing with us insane plagiomoms. It just doesn't feel right when

you say the things in the way you have been.

CAROLG

> >

> > I know someone was asking opinions on CT. WE us the one in

Paramus

> > and to be totally honest i am not thrilled with them. We were

> > tagged teamed when we went the first two times b/c the one girl

was

> > in traiining. I think they were pushing the band when i don't

> > really think that they needed too. The one we are seeing now is

> new

> > and i am not sure how much experience she has. I just thought

that

> > they were out for the money and a little snotty too.

> >

> > As for doctors we never saw a Ortho we saw a Plastic surgeon down

> in

> > Freehold names Dr. Kim. I liked him and thought he was very

> > knowledgable.

> >

> > As for my question. WE have measurements and i asked the lady at

> CT

> > about the how long my son PJ would needto be in it and she said

> > until he grew out of it or we were satisfied. I asked about the

> > measurements b/c she said 2-3 was the norm i asked what we should

> > look to get to with the helemt and she told me they only use the

> > measurements for insurance purposes and they won't be using the

> > measurements anymore. How am i suppose to know if they is any

> > change? Do the other CT do measurements during the band checks?

> >

> > These are his measurements so i guess we aren't too bad (we jsut

> got

> > the band last monday:

> >

> > 6/2/05 6/29/05 9/12/05

> >

> > cranial width 124 126 128

> >

> > cranial length 143 146 152

> >

> > cephalic index 86.7 86.3 84.21

> >

> > cranial vault asymmetry 9 8 6

> > fzr-eul 132 134 138

> > fzl-eur 123 126 132

> >

> > Trans-cranial vault ass 15 12 11

> > fzr-ocpl 142 142 146

> > fzr-ocpr 127 130 133

> >

> > Mid-Face Asymmetry 3 2 1

> > exl-tl 48 49 52

> > exl-tr 45 47 53

> >

> > Skull Base Asymmetry 5 4 2

> > sn-tl 89 90 93

> > sn-tr 84 86 94

> >

> > I am concerned b/c i know that he is not going to round out fully

> > but he is not so severe that it is really noticeable. He has a

> head

> > of hair that hides it. Shouldn't we be having some reading or

> > something. I feel like it is a racket just to make $3k.

> >

> > Carolyn

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Carol, I think you need to go back and reread my posts. I have told

parents here that if my daughter was more severe I would have had her

in a DOC band or a helmet, regardless of the OT's bedside manner. I

give my advice on repositioning and my story and I do tell others to

seek out CT's opinion. Yes, and I am sorry if this doesn't sit well

with you, but I do have an issue with the professionalism of the OT I

was dealing with. Not only at the visit but on the phone days later

when she said Brielle had lots of noticeable facial assymetry (I

really think she didn't remember who we were) but she had to throw in

repeatedly the medical issues Brielle would possibly endure if we

didn't band her. If you read the literature they themselves give

out, they state that these medical issues are rare and in severe

cases. Perhaps this OT doesn't read the literature she gives out or

she wasn't quite as trained as you claim they all are. So, I am

sorry if you think I am CT bashing, but I am only giving people on

this board my opinion when they ask. Debbie.

> > >

> > > I know someone was asking opinions on CT. WE us the one in

> Paramus

> > > and to be totally honest i am not thrilled with them. We were

> > > tagged teamed when we went the first two times b/c the one girl

> was

> > > in traiining. I think they were pushing the band when i don't

> > > really think that they needed too. The one we are seeing now

is

> > new

> > > and i am not sure how much experience she has. I just thought

> that

> > > they were out for the money and a little snotty too.

> > >

> > > As for doctors we never saw a Ortho we saw a Plastic surgeon

down

> > in

> > > Freehold names Dr. Kim. I liked him and thought he was very

> > > knowledgable.

> > >

> > > As for my question. WE have measurements and i asked the lady

at

> > CT

> > > about the how long my son PJ would needto be in it and she said

> > > until he grew out of it or we were satisfied. I asked about

the

> > > measurements b/c she said 2-3 was the norm i asked what we

should

> > > look to get to with the helemt and she told me they only use

the

> > > measurements for insurance purposes and they won't be using the

> > > measurements anymore. How am i suppose to know if they is any

> > > change? Do the other CT do measurements during the band checks?

> > >

> > > These are his measurements so i guess we aren't too bad (we

jsut

> > got

> > > the band last monday:

> > >

> > > 6/2/05 6/29/05 9/12/05

> > >

> > > cranial width 124 126 128

> > >

> > > cranial length 143 146 152

> > >

> > > cephalic index 86.7 86.3 84.21

> > >

> > > cranial vault asymmetry 9 8 6

> > > fzr-eul 132 134 138

> > > fzl-eur 123 126 132

> > >

> > > Trans-cranial vault ass 15 12 11

> > > fzr-ocpl 142 142 146

> > > fzr-ocpr 127 130 133

> > >

> > > Mid-Face Asymmetry 3 2 1

> > > exl-tl 48 49 52

> > > exl-tr 45 47 53

> > >

> > > Skull Base Asymmetry 5 4 2

> > > sn-tl 89 90 93

> > > sn-tr 84 86 94

> > >

> > > I am concerned b/c i know that he is not going to round out

fully

> > > but he is not so severe that it is really noticeable. He has a

> > head

> > > of hair that hides it. Shouldn't we be having some reading or

> > > something. I feel like it is a racket just to make $3k.

> > >

> > > Carolyn

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Carol, I think you need to go back and reread my posts. I have told

parents here that if my daughter was more severe I would have had her

in a DOC band or a helmet, regardless of the OT's bedside manner. I

give my advice on repositioning and my story and I do tell others to

seek out CT's opinion. Yes, and I am sorry if this doesn't sit well

with you, but I do have an issue with the professionalism of the OT I

was dealing with. Not only at the visit but on the phone days later

when she said Brielle had lots of noticeable facial assymetry (I

really think she didn't remember who we were) but she had to throw in

repeatedly the medical issues Brielle would possibly endure if we

didn't band her. If you read the literature they themselves give

out, they state that these medical issues are rare and in severe

cases. Perhaps this OT doesn't read the literature she gives out or

she wasn't quite as trained as you claim they all are. So, I am

sorry if you think I am CT bashing, but I am only giving people on

this board my opinion when they ask. Debbie.

> > >

> > > I know someone was asking opinions on CT. WE us the one in

> Paramus

> > > and to be totally honest i am not thrilled with them. We were

> > > tagged teamed when we went the first two times b/c the one girl

> was

> > > in traiining. I think they were pushing the band when i don't

> > > really think that they needed too. The one we are seeing now

is

> > new

> > > and i am not sure how much experience she has. I just thought

> that

> > > they were out for the money and a little snotty too.

> > >

> > > As for doctors we never saw a Ortho we saw a Plastic surgeon

down

> > in

> > > Freehold names Dr. Kim. I liked him and thought he was very

> > > knowledgable.

> > >

> > > As for my question. WE have measurements and i asked the lady

at

> > CT

> > > about the how long my son PJ would needto be in it and she said

> > > until he grew out of it or we were satisfied. I asked about

the

> > > measurements b/c she said 2-3 was the norm i asked what we

should

> > > look to get to with the helemt and she told me they only use

the

> > > measurements for insurance purposes and they won't be using the

> > > measurements anymore. How am i suppose to know if they is any

> > > change? Do the other CT do measurements during the band checks?

> > >

> > > These are his measurements so i guess we aren't too bad (we

jsut

> > got

> > > the band last monday:

> > >

> > > 6/2/05 6/29/05 9/12/05

> > >

> > > cranial width 124 126 128

> > >

> > > cranial length 143 146 152

> > >

> > > cephalic index 86.7 86.3 84.21

> > >

> > > cranial vault asymmetry 9 8 6

> > > fzr-eul 132 134 138

> > > fzl-eur 123 126 132

> > >

> > > Trans-cranial vault ass 15 12 11

> > > fzr-ocpl 142 142 146

> > > fzr-ocpr 127 130 133

> > >

> > > Mid-Face Asymmetry 3 2 1

> > > exl-tl 48 49 52

> > > exl-tr 45 47 53

> > >

> > > Skull Base Asymmetry 5 4 2

> > > sn-tl 89 90 93

> > > sn-tr 84 86 94

> > >

> > > I am concerned b/c i know that he is not going to round out

fully

> > > but he is not so severe that it is really noticeable. He has a

> > head

> > > of hair that hides it. Shouldn't we be having some reading or

> > > something. I feel like it is a racket just to make $3k.

> > >

> > > Carolyn

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Debbie,Since coerced me into becoming a moderator again I've spent sometime going over past posts of active members to learn about their situations.I must have missed something because I was reading how your clinician was "sweet" here and how your pediatrician recommended the band here. But on the post below you are talking about the clinician's poor bedside manner at the visit. It didn't seem you felt you were being forcefed a band at the time. What made you decide to call afterwards? I guess I don't understand what you wanted to hear. I think I even read you had a casting date after your insurance was approved. I think it's great that we all share our experiences, negative and positive, so we can help the newbies make decisions. I'm just trying to understand your whole situation. I must have missed something. I'm really glad you are pleased with the results of repositioning. That's ultimately what really matters about the whole plagio experience. > Yes, and I am sorry if this doesn't sit well > with you, but I do have an issue with the professionalism of the OT I > was dealing with. Not only at the visit but on the phone days later

[Guest guest]

Debbie,Since coerced me into becoming a moderator again I've spent sometime going over past posts of active members to learn about their situations.I must have missed something because I was reading how your clinician was "sweet" here and how your pediatrician recommended the band here. But on the post below you are talking about the clinician's poor bedside manner at the visit. It didn't seem you felt you were being forcefed a band at the time. What made you decide to call afterwards? I guess I don't understand what you wanted to hear. I think I even read you had a casting date after your insurance was approved. I think it's great that we all share our experiences, negative and positive, so we can help the newbies make decisions. I'm just trying to understand your whole situation. I must have missed something. I'm really glad you are pleased with the results of repositioning. That's ultimately what really matters about the whole plagio experience. > Yes, and I am sorry if this doesn't sit well > with you, but I do have an issue with the professionalism of the OT I > was dealing with. Not only at the visit but on the phone days later

[Guest guest]

, I really don't want to write my whole story again. Sounds

like you already read it. We had conflicting opinions from the

specialists and CT. The pediatrician did not think she needed the

band but wrote me a script to get the ball rolling in case we decided

to do it. The board and CT were telling me that there is a window of

opportunity and the younger the better, so that is why I scheduled a

casting appt. Why I called CT back? I wanted to talk about

repostioning the measurements she took and the health issues she

discussed with me. We decided not to band after going back to the

cranial facial specialist at Childrens Hosp. of PA and the dr. being

happy with her progress since repositioning. I really don't like to

be mean about people and that is why I said the clinician was sweet,

maybe poor choice of words regarding bedside manner, maybe I should

have said that she tried to scare me into banding my baby. Debbie

> > Yes, and I am sorry if this doesn't sit well

> > with you, but I do have an issue with the professionalism of the

OT I

> > was dealing with. Not only at the visit but on the phone days

later

>

[Guest guest]

, I really don't want to write my whole story again. Sounds

like you already read it. We had conflicting opinions from the

specialists and CT. The pediatrician did not think she needed the

band but wrote me a script to get the ball rolling in case we decided

to do it. The board and CT were telling me that there is a window of

opportunity and the younger the better, so that is why I scheduled a

casting appt. Why I called CT back? I wanted to talk about

repostioning the measurements she took and the health issues she

discussed with me. We decided not to band after going back to the

cranial facial specialist at Childrens Hosp. of PA and the dr. being

happy with her progress since repositioning. I really don't like to

be mean about people and that is why I said the clinician was sweet,

maybe poor choice of words regarding bedside manner, maybe I should

have said that she tried to scare me into banding my baby. Debbie

> > Yes, and I am sorry if this doesn't sit well

> > with you, but I do have an issue with the professionalism of the

OT I

> > was dealing with. Not only at the visit but on the phone days

later

>

[Guest guest]

Debbie,

Thanks for paraphrasing. With three kids and four pets I didn't

have time to read everything that happened this summer so I

appreciate it!

I'd say there is quite a difference in describing someone as " sweet "

who you thought was scary though.

I just saw (from the second link) that your ped advised you to band

her because you were so worried that she thought you'd regret not

doing it later.

Thanks for clarifying!

> > > Yes, and I am sorry if this doesn't sit well

> > > with you, but I do have an issue with the professionalism of

the

> OT I

> > > was dealing with. Not only at the visit but on the phone days

> later

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Debbie,

Thanks for paraphrasing. With three kids and four pets I didn't

have time to read everything that happened this summer so I

appreciate it!

I'd say there is quite a difference in describing someone as " sweet "

who you thought was scary though.

I just saw (from the second link) that your ped advised you to band

her because you were so worried that she thought you'd regret not

doing it later.

Thanks for clarifying!

> > > Yes, and I am sorry if this doesn't sit well

> > > with you, but I do have an issue with the professionalism of

the

> OT I

> > > was dealing with. Not only at the visit but on the phone days

> later

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks you for your post. I will keep everyone posted on how we are doing.

Carolynsgreenspan <sgreenspan@...> wrote:

Hi Carolyn,You're not the first one to have negative feedback about Paramus CT. My duaghter's pediatrician and physical therapist both told me that CT had a recent change of staff and had seen kids with poor fittings lately. Our Physical Therapist recommended Cranial Solutions in Pompoton Lakes, NJ. I spoke to the Orthotist there who told me they use a proprietary band that he makes himself. It is like the Doc band. He said he's been making his own bands for 5 years, and working with plagio kids for 20 years. I'm not sure how I feel about using a proprietary band ... My pediatrician recommends Nouveau in Hazelet, NJ. There have been posts on this list about Nouveau.Please post us progress - I hope you have good results.- >> I know someone was asking opinions on CT. WE us the one in Paramus > and to be totally honest i am not thrilled with them. We were > tagged teamed when we went the first two times b/c the one girl was > in traiining. I think they were pushing the band when i don't > really think that they needed too. The one we are seeing now is new > and i am not sure how much experience she has. I just thought that > they were out for the money and a little snotty too. > > As for doctors we never saw a Ortho we saw a Plastic surgeon down in > Freehold names Dr. Kim. I liked him and thought he was very > knowledgable. > > As for my question. WE have measurements and i asked the lady at CT > about the how long my son PJ would needto be in it and she said > until he grew out of

it or we were satisfied. I asked about the > measurements b/c she said 2-3 was the norm i asked what we should > look to get to with the helemt and she told me they only use the > measurements for insurance purposes and they won't be using the > measurements anymore. How am i suppose to know if they is any > change? Do the other CT do measurements during the band checks?> > These are his measurements so i guess we aren't too bad (we jsut got > the band last monday:> > 6/2/05 6/29/05 9/12/05 > > cranial width 124

126 128> > cranial length 143 146 152> > cephalic index 86.7 86.3 84.21> > cranial vault asymmetry 9 8 6> fzr-eul 132 134

138> fzl-eur 123 126 132> > Trans-cranial vault ass 15 12 11> fzr-ocpl 142 142 146> fzr-ocpr 127 130 133> > Mid-Face

Asymmetry 3 2 1> exl-tl 48 49 52> exl-tr 45 47 53> > Skull Base Asymmetry 5 4 2>

sn-tl 89 90 93> sn-tr 84 86 94> > I am concerned b/c i know that he is not going to round out fully > but he is not so severe that it is really noticeable. He has a head > of hair that hides it. Shouldn't we be having some reading or > something. I feel like it is a racket just to make $3k. > > Carolyn>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks you for your post. I will keep everyone posted on how we are doing.

Carolynsgreenspan <sgreenspan@...> wrote:

Hi Carolyn,You're not the first one to have negative feedback about Paramus CT. My duaghter's pediatrician and physical therapist both told me that CT had a recent change of staff and had seen kids with poor fittings lately. Our Physical Therapist recommended Cranial Solutions in Pompoton Lakes, NJ. I spoke to the Orthotist there who told me they use a proprietary band that he makes himself. It is like the Doc band. He said he's been making his own bands for 5 years, and working with plagio kids for 20 years. I'm not sure how I feel about using a proprietary band ... My pediatrician recommends Nouveau in Hazelet, NJ. There have been posts on this list about Nouveau.Please post us progress - I hope you have good results.- >> I know someone was asking opinions on CT. WE us the one in Paramus > and to be totally honest i am not thrilled with them. We were > tagged teamed when we went the first two times b/c the one girl was > in traiining. I think they were pushing the band when i don't > really think that they needed too. The one we are seeing now is new > and i am not sure how much experience she has. I just thought that > they were out for the money and a little snotty too. > > As for doctors we never saw a Ortho we saw a Plastic surgeon down in > Freehold names Dr. Kim. I liked him and thought he was very > knowledgable. > > As for my question. WE have measurements and i asked the lady at CT > about the how long my son PJ would needto be in it and she said > until he grew out of

it or we were satisfied. I asked about the > measurements b/c she said 2-3 was the norm i asked what we should > look to get to with the helemt and she told me they only use the > measurements for insurance purposes and they won't be using the > measurements anymore. How am i suppose to know if they is any > change? Do the other CT do measurements during the band checks?> > These are his measurements so i guess we aren't too bad (we jsut got > the band last monday:> > 6/2/05 6/29/05 9/12/05 > > cranial width 124

126 128> > cranial length 143 146 152> > cephalic index 86.7 86.3 84.21> > cranial vault asymmetry 9 8 6> fzr-eul 132 134

138> fzl-eur 123 126 132> > Trans-cranial vault ass 15 12 11> fzr-ocpl 142 142 146> fzr-ocpr 127 130 133> > Mid-Face

Asymmetry 3 2 1> exl-tl 48 49 52> exl-tr 45 47 53> > Skull Base Asymmetry 5 4 2>

sn-tl 89 90 93> sn-tr 84 86 94> > I am concerned b/c i know that he is not going to round out fully > but he is not so severe that it is really noticeable. He has a head > of hair that hides it. Shouldn't we be having some reading or > something. I feel like it is a racket just to make $3k. > > Carolyn>

Carolyn

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