Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 At 09:59 AM 1/28/01 -0600, Trippel wrote: >Looks like AA World Services, Inc. is scared their Big Book copyright might >be voided. > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gso/message/423 Quoting from that link: >This fear of AAWS that the AA message, especially the big book text >in various languages, may soon be carried without generating any >profits for them and beyond their control leads AAWS to ridiculous >measures. >They currently attack many web sites that have the big book online or >links to the big book online. They also attack web sites that have >the two letters AA in their name or where the domain name is similar >to big book. For example they filed a complaint with ICANN in Geneva, >Switzerland to shut down AArecovery.com. They also try hard to shut >down bigbooks.org. Also gso.org was in their fire line. These are all pro-AA (the " Program and Fellowship " , not neccesarily pro-AA World Services) sites. Does AAWS not care about aadeprogramming.com or aahorror.net, or have they just not seen these? ----- http://listen.to/benbradley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 At 09:59 AM 1/28/01 -0600, Trippel wrote: >Looks like AA World Services, Inc. is scared their Big Book copyright might >be voided. > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gso/message/423 Quoting from that link: >This fear of AAWS that the AA message, especially the big book text >in various languages, may soon be carried without generating any >profits for them and beyond their control leads AAWS to ridiculous >measures. >They currently attack many web sites that have the big book online or >links to the big book online. They also attack web sites that have >the two letters AA in their name or where the domain name is similar >to big book. For example they filed a complaint with ICANN in Geneva, >Switzerland to shut down AArecovery.com. They also try hard to shut >down bigbooks.org. Also gso.org was in their fire line. These are all pro-AA (the " Program and Fellowship " , not neccesarily pro-AA World Services) sites. Does AAWS not care about aadeprogramming.com or aahorror.net, or have they just not seen these? ----- http://listen.to/benbradley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 At 09:59 AM 1/28/01 -0600, Trippel wrote: >Looks like AA World Services, Inc. is scared their Big Book copyright might >be voided. > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gso/message/423 Quoting from that link: >This fear of AAWS that the AA message, especially the big book text >in various languages, may soon be carried without generating any >profits for them and beyond their control leads AAWS to ridiculous >measures. >They currently attack many web sites that have the big book online or >links to the big book online. They also attack web sites that have >the two letters AA in their name or where the domain name is similar >to big book. For example they filed a complaint with ICANN in Geneva, >Switzerland to shut down AArecovery.com. They also try hard to shut >down bigbooks.org. Also gso.org was in their fire line. These are all pro-AA (the " Program and Fellowship " , not neccesarily pro-AA World Services) sites. Does AAWS not care about aadeprogramming.com or aahorror.net, or have they just not seen these? ----- http://listen.to/benbradley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 i imagine they dont care or dont know, not so much becuase of any tradtions of no opinion, but meanly becuase they arent compeiting for revenue with them. when you area busines, you ahev to defend you trademark at all times, becuase if you fonly defend it once ina while, it can be weakened in future fights. the word " band-aid " was once trade marked, but becuase of its prevalient use, the protection it enjoyed became meaningless. AAWS is afraid that will happen, that name AA will become generic. > >Looks like AA World Services, Inc. is scared their Big Book copyright might > >be voided. > > > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gso/message/423 > > Quoting from that link: > > >This fear of AAWS that the AA message, especially the big book text > >in various languages, may soon be carried without generating any > >profits for them and beyond their control leads AAWS to ridiculous > >measures. > >They currently attack many web sites that have the big book online or > >links to the big book online. They also attack web sites that have > >the two letters AA in their name or where the domain name is similar > >to big book. For example they filed a complaint with ICANN in Geneva, > >Switzerland to shut down AArecovery.com. They also try hard to shut > >down bigbooks.org. Also gso.org was in their fire line. > > These are all pro-AA (the " Program and Fellowship " , not neccesarily > pro-AA World Services) sites. Does AAWS not care about > aadeprogramming.com or aahorror.net, or have they just not seen these? > > > ----- > http://listen.to/benbradley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 i imagine they dont care or dont know, not so much becuase of any tradtions of no opinion, but meanly becuase they arent compeiting for revenue with them. when you area busines, you ahev to defend you trademark at all times, becuase if you fonly defend it once ina while, it can be weakened in future fights. the word " band-aid " was once trade marked, but becuase of its prevalient use, the protection it enjoyed became meaningless. AAWS is afraid that will happen, that name AA will become generic. > >Looks like AA World Services, Inc. is scared their Big Book copyright might > >be voided. > > > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gso/message/423 > > Quoting from that link: > > >This fear of AAWS that the AA message, especially the big book text > >in various languages, may soon be carried without generating any > >profits for them and beyond their control leads AAWS to ridiculous > >measures. > >They currently attack many web sites that have the big book online or > >links to the big book online. They also attack web sites that have > >the two letters AA in their name or where the domain name is similar > >to big book. For example they filed a complaint with ICANN in Geneva, > >Switzerland to shut down AArecovery.com. They also try hard to shut > >down bigbooks.org. Also gso.org was in their fire line. > > These are all pro-AA (the " Program and Fellowship " , not neccesarily > pro-AA World Services) sites. Does AAWS not care about > aadeprogramming.com or aahorror.net, or have they just not seen these? > > > ----- > http://listen.to/benbradley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 i imagine they dont care or dont know, not so much becuase of any tradtions of no opinion, but meanly becuase they arent compeiting for revenue with them. when you area busines, you ahev to defend you trademark at all times, becuase if you fonly defend it once ina while, it can be weakened in future fights. the word " band-aid " was once trade marked, but becuase of its prevalient use, the protection it enjoyed became meaningless. AAWS is afraid that will happen, that name AA will become generic. > >Looks like AA World Services, Inc. is scared their Big Book copyright might > >be voided. > > > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gso/message/423 > > Quoting from that link: > > >This fear of AAWS that the AA message, especially the big book text > >in various languages, may soon be carried without generating any > >profits for them and beyond their control leads AAWS to ridiculous > >measures. > >They currently attack many web sites that have the big book online or > >links to the big book online. They also attack web sites that have > >the two letters AA in their name or where the domain name is similar > >to big book. For example they filed a complaint with ICANN in Geneva, > >Switzerland to shut down AArecovery.com. They also try hard to shut > >down bigbooks.org. Also gso.org was in their fire line. > > These are all pro-AA (the " Program and Fellowship " , not neccesarily > pro-AA World Services) sites. Does AAWS not care about > aadeprogramming.com or aahorror.net, or have they just not seen these? > > > ----- > http://listen.to/benbradley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 Apparently they haven't figured out they're as much a threat to it. Also what do you suppose the backlash would be if it were to start trying to take down sites critical of it? It would open itself up to investigation which would invariably result in news media coverage eating it alive. As I read that article I was thinking " can you imagine an AA study guide published from our perspective where the big book is taken apart line by line? " I'm going to have to look into that. > Re: AAWS German lawsuit > > >At 09:59 AM 1/28/01 -0600, Trippel wrote: >>Looks like AA World Services, Inc. is scared their Big Book >copyright might >>be voided. >> >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gso/message/423 > > Quoting from that link: > >>This fear of AAWS that the AA message, especially the big book text >>in various languages, may soon be carried without generating any >>profits for them and beyond their control leads AAWS to ridiculous >>measures. >>They currently attack many web sites that have the big book online or >>links to the big book online. They also attack web sites that have >>the two letters AA in their name or where the domain name is similar >>to big book. For example they filed a complaint with ICANN in Geneva, >>Switzerland to shut down AArecovery.com. They also try hard to shut >>down bigbooks.org. Also gso.org was in their fire line. > > These are all pro-AA (the " Program and Fellowship " , not neccesarily >pro-AA World Services) sites. Does AAWS not care about >aadeprogramming.com or aahorror.net, or have they just not seen these? > > >----- >http://listen.to/benbradley > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 Apparently they haven't figured out they're as much a threat to it. Also what do you suppose the backlash would be if it were to start trying to take down sites critical of it? It would open itself up to investigation which would invariably result in news media coverage eating it alive. As I read that article I was thinking " can you imagine an AA study guide published from our perspective where the big book is taken apart line by line? " I'm going to have to look into that. > Re: AAWS German lawsuit > > >At 09:59 AM 1/28/01 -0600, Trippel wrote: >>Looks like AA World Services, Inc. is scared their Big Book >copyright might >>be voided. >> >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gso/message/423 > > Quoting from that link: > >>This fear of AAWS that the AA message, especially the big book text >>in various languages, may soon be carried without generating any >>profits for them and beyond their control leads AAWS to ridiculous >>measures. >>They currently attack many web sites that have the big book online or >>links to the big book online. They also attack web sites that have >>the two letters AA in their name or where the domain name is similar >>to big book. For example they filed a complaint with ICANN in Geneva, >>Switzerland to shut down AArecovery.com. They also try hard to shut >>down bigbooks.org. Also gso.org was in their fire line. > > These are all pro-AA (the " Program and Fellowship " , not neccesarily >pro-AA World Services) sites. Does AAWS not care about >aadeprogramming.com or aahorror.net, or have they just not seen these? > > >----- >http://listen.to/benbradley > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 Apparently they haven't figured out they're as much a threat to it. Also what do you suppose the backlash would be if it were to start trying to take down sites critical of it? It would open itself up to investigation which would invariably result in news media coverage eating it alive. As I read that article I was thinking " can you imagine an AA study guide published from our perspective where the big book is taken apart line by line? " I'm going to have to look into that. > Re: AAWS German lawsuit > > >At 09:59 AM 1/28/01 -0600, Trippel wrote: >>Looks like AA World Services, Inc. is scared their Big Book >copyright might >>be voided. >> >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gso/message/423 > > Quoting from that link: > >>This fear of AAWS that the AA message, especially the big book text >>in various languages, may soon be carried without generating any >>profits for them and beyond their control leads AAWS to ridiculous >>measures. >>They currently attack many web sites that have the big book online or >>links to the big book online. They also attack web sites that have >>the two letters AA in their name or where the domain name is similar >>to big book. For example they filed a complaint with ICANN in Geneva, >>Switzerland to shut down AArecovery.com. They also try hard to shut >>down bigbooks.org. Also gso.org was in their fire line. > > These are all pro-AA (the " Program and Fellowship " , not neccesarily >pro-AA World Services) sites. Does AAWS not care about >aadeprogramming.com or aahorror.net, or have they just not seen these? > > >----- >http://listen.to/benbradley > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 Ben- I would guess their policies concerning such sites is to leave them alone; making it an issue would only draw the attention of AAer's. It would be a bigger PR hit to make a fuss. Nate These are all pro-AA (the "Program and Fellowship", not neccesarilypro-AA World Services) sites. Does AAWS not care aboutaadeprogramming.com or aahorror.net, or have they just not seen these?-----http://listen.to/benbradley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 Ben- I would guess their policies concerning such sites is to leave them alone; making it an issue would only draw the attention of AAer's. It would be a bigger PR hit to make a fuss. Nate These are all pro-AA (the "Program and Fellowship", not neccesarilypro-AA World Services) sites. Does AAWS not care aboutaadeprogramming.com or aahorror.net, or have they just not seen these?-----http://listen.to/benbradley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 Ben- I would guess their policies concerning such sites is to leave them alone; making it an issue would only draw the attention of AAer's. It would be a bigger PR hit to make a fuss. Nate These are all pro-AA (the "Program and Fellowship", not neccesarilypro-AA World Services) sites. Does AAWS not care aboutaadeprogramming.com or aahorror.net, or have they just not seen these?-----http://listen.to/benbradley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 yea, that is so true. i think bill wilson even said something to that effect once, and that " weathering the storm " makes them stronger. > > Ben- > I would guess their policies concerning such sites is to leave them alone; making it an issue would only draw the attention of AAer's. It would be a bigger PR hit to make a fuss. > > Nate > > > > > These are all pro-AA (the " Program and Fellowship " , not neccesarily > pro-AA World Services) sites. Does AAWS not care about > aadeprogramming.com or aahorror.net, or have they just not seen these? > > > ----- > http://listen.to/benbradley > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 > These are all pro-AA (the " Program and Fellowship " , not neccesarily > pro-AA World Services) sites. Does AAWS not care about > aadeprogramming.com or aahorror.net, or have they just not seen these? I'll preface my collection of random guesses and observations with the usual: I Am Not A Lawyer. I would be very surprised if AAWS didn't know about these sites. Most corporations have a department -- or even just a single employee -- whose job it is to track and summarize its critics. The Internet makes this an almost trivial task. In fact, one of my first Internet-related jobs was to provide this service for the clients of a mid-size law firm. Note: I don't do this any more. I've sunk so low on the career spiral that I'm now a reporter for a technology news site. Unless there's an issue of copyright violation involved, they probably won't go near the critic sites. The lawyers that I worked for would usually advise clients that pursuing such matters might bring them a court victory, but it would probably also provide millions of dollars in free publicity and generate public sympathy for the defendants. Left alone and uncontested, the majority of critical sites will run out of steam and support in due time. Mc's, for example, eventually won its libel case against a UK group but in the process the case was covered far and wide and possibly generated much more interest than if the company had just ignored it. For an example slightly more relevant to this group, look to any of the battles fought against critics by the " Church " of $cientology. Between its cancelbot war on Usenet and real-world court challenges, the opposition to this group has intensified to the point that there is even a foundation with a physical building and real staff right in the heart of $cientology country (Clearwater, FL) to educate and inform people about the dangers of this cult. Not that I feel that AA's critics will dry up and blow away; the experiences of individuals on this list and the webmasters of the sites Ben has mentioned have an intensely personal history with the subject matter at hand -- more so than one might against a regular corporation. The 10th tradition could explain why they haven't gone near critic sites: 10. Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the A.A. name ought never be drawn into public controversy. However, I could easily envision a scenario where AAWS would go after the critics, using the first tradition as justification: 1. Our common welfare should come first; personal recovery depends upon A.A. unity. It could also be that AAWS is waiting for the Digital Milennium Copyright Act to establish a bit more precedence. This is the law that was used last year to find a Webmaster guilty of copyright violations for merely linking to -- not hosting, not producing -- software that broke the encryption on DVDs. It wouldn't take too much imagination to see this law used to silence AA's Web critics. However, this gets back to the negatives of a trial. The discovery process, for example, could open up a whole new can of worms for AAWS, such as the court ordering the plaintiffs to give defendants complete access to AA's historical archives -- including those much talked-about items that AA refuses to let anyone see -- not to mention all the confidential memos and other items used to make a case against the defendant. Imagine all that information as a matter of public record, free for the press and well, anyone with an interest, to reproduce in whole or part whenever and wherever they see fit. It's always possible that a lawsuit or legal intimidation could happen, but I can't imagine what, with all the negatives, AA could actually gain from such. What I think will happen eventually is that AA will appeal to ICANN and WIPO for ownership of any critic site with " AA " in its domain name. Given the recent decisions of WIPO (awarding madonna.com to the singer using that name, despite several thousand years of popular religious use of the word madonna), they will probably succeed. Regards, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 > These are all pro-AA (the " Program and Fellowship " , not neccesarily > pro-AA World Services) sites. Does AAWS not care about > aadeprogramming.com or aahorror.net, or have they just not seen these? I'll preface my collection of random guesses and observations with the usual: I Am Not A Lawyer. I would be very surprised if AAWS didn't know about these sites. Most corporations have a department -- or even just a single employee -- whose job it is to track and summarize its critics. The Internet makes this an almost trivial task. In fact, one of my first Internet-related jobs was to provide this service for the clients of a mid-size law firm. Note: I don't do this any more. I've sunk so low on the career spiral that I'm now a reporter for a technology news site. Unless there's an issue of copyright violation involved, they probably won't go near the critic sites. The lawyers that I worked for would usually advise clients that pursuing such matters might bring them a court victory, but it would probably also provide millions of dollars in free publicity and generate public sympathy for the defendants. Left alone and uncontested, the majority of critical sites will run out of steam and support in due time. Mc's, for example, eventually won its libel case against a UK group but in the process the case was covered far and wide and possibly generated much more interest than if the company had just ignored it. For an example slightly more relevant to this group, look to any of the battles fought against critics by the " Church " of $cientology. Between its cancelbot war on Usenet and real-world court challenges, the opposition to this group has intensified to the point that there is even a foundation with a physical building and real staff right in the heart of $cientology country (Clearwater, FL) to educate and inform people about the dangers of this cult. Not that I feel that AA's critics will dry up and blow away; the experiences of individuals on this list and the webmasters of the sites Ben has mentioned have an intensely personal history with the subject matter at hand -- more so than one might against a regular corporation. The 10th tradition could explain why they haven't gone near critic sites: 10. Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the A.A. name ought never be drawn into public controversy. However, I could easily envision a scenario where AAWS would go after the critics, using the first tradition as justification: 1. Our common welfare should come first; personal recovery depends upon A.A. unity. It could also be that AAWS is waiting for the Digital Milennium Copyright Act to establish a bit more precedence. This is the law that was used last year to find a Webmaster guilty of copyright violations for merely linking to -- not hosting, not producing -- software that broke the encryption on DVDs. It wouldn't take too much imagination to see this law used to silence AA's Web critics. However, this gets back to the negatives of a trial. The discovery process, for example, could open up a whole new can of worms for AAWS, such as the court ordering the plaintiffs to give defendants complete access to AA's historical archives -- including those much talked-about items that AA refuses to let anyone see -- not to mention all the confidential memos and other items used to make a case against the defendant. Imagine all that information as a matter of public record, free for the press and well, anyone with an interest, to reproduce in whole or part whenever and wherever they see fit. It's always possible that a lawsuit or legal intimidation could happen, but I can't imagine what, with all the negatives, AA could actually gain from such. What I think will happen eventually is that AA will appeal to ICANN and WIPO for ownership of any critic site with " AA " in its domain name. Given the recent decisions of WIPO (awarding madonna.com to the singer using that name, despite several thousand years of popular religious use of the word madonna), they will probably succeed. Regards, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 > These are all pro-AA (the " Program and Fellowship " , not neccesarily > pro-AA World Services) sites. Does AAWS not care about > aadeprogramming.com or aahorror.net, or have they just not seen these? I'll preface my collection of random guesses and observations with the usual: I Am Not A Lawyer. I would be very surprised if AAWS didn't know about these sites. Most corporations have a department -- or even just a single employee -- whose job it is to track and summarize its critics. The Internet makes this an almost trivial task. In fact, one of my first Internet-related jobs was to provide this service for the clients of a mid-size law firm. Note: I don't do this any more. I've sunk so low on the career spiral that I'm now a reporter for a technology news site. Unless there's an issue of copyright violation involved, they probably won't go near the critic sites. The lawyers that I worked for would usually advise clients that pursuing such matters might bring them a court victory, but it would probably also provide millions of dollars in free publicity and generate public sympathy for the defendants. Left alone and uncontested, the majority of critical sites will run out of steam and support in due time. Mc's, for example, eventually won its libel case against a UK group but in the process the case was covered far and wide and possibly generated much more interest than if the company had just ignored it. For an example slightly more relevant to this group, look to any of the battles fought against critics by the " Church " of $cientology. Between its cancelbot war on Usenet and real-world court challenges, the opposition to this group has intensified to the point that there is even a foundation with a physical building and real staff right in the heart of $cientology country (Clearwater, FL) to educate and inform people about the dangers of this cult. Not that I feel that AA's critics will dry up and blow away; the experiences of individuals on this list and the webmasters of the sites Ben has mentioned have an intensely personal history with the subject matter at hand -- more so than one might against a regular corporation. The 10th tradition could explain why they haven't gone near critic sites: 10. Alcoholics Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the A.A. name ought never be drawn into public controversy. However, I could easily envision a scenario where AAWS would go after the critics, using the first tradition as justification: 1. Our common welfare should come first; personal recovery depends upon A.A. unity. It could also be that AAWS is waiting for the Digital Milennium Copyright Act to establish a bit more precedence. This is the law that was used last year to find a Webmaster guilty of copyright violations for merely linking to -- not hosting, not producing -- software that broke the encryption on DVDs. It wouldn't take too much imagination to see this law used to silence AA's Web critics. However, this gets back to the negatives of a trial. The discovery process, for example, could open up a whole new can of worms for AAWS, such as the court ordering the plaintiffs to give defendants complete access to AA's historical archives -- including those much talked-about items that AA refuses to let anyone see -- not to mention all the confidential memos and other items used to make a case against the defendant. Imagine all that information as a matter of public record, free for the press and well, anyone with an interest, to reproduce in whole or part whenever and wherever they see fit. It's always possible that a lawsuit or legal intimidation could happen, but I can't imagine what, with all the negatives, AA could actually gain from such. What I think will happen eventually is that AA will appeal to ICANN and WIPO for ownership of any critic site with " AA " in its domain name. Given the recent decisions of WIPO (awarding madonna.com to the singer using that name, despite several thousand years of popular religious use of the word madonna), they will probably succeed. Regards, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 Sunday, January 28, 2001, 5:52:44 PM, you wrote: > yea, that is so true. i think bill wilson even said something to that > effect once, and that " weathering the storm " makes them > stronger. Ha! But they cannot tell the difference now between a storm and climate change. Joe B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 Sunday, January 28, 2001, 5:52:44 PM, you wrote: > yea, that is so true. i think bill wilson even said something to that > effect once, and that " weathering the storm " makes them > stronger. Ha! But they cannot tell the difference now between a storm and climate change. Joe B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 Sunday, January 28, 2001, 5:52:44 PM, you wrote: > yea, that is so true. i think bill wilson even said something to that > effect once, and that " weathering the storm " makes them > stronger. Ha! But they cannot tell the difference now between a storm and climate change. Joe B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 The discovery process,for example, could open up a whole new can of worms for AAWS, such as thecourt ordering the plaintiffs to give defendants complete access to AA'shistorical archives -- including those much talked-about items that AArefuses to let anyone see -- not to mention all the confidential memos andother items used to make a case against the defendant. Dan- Could you, or somebody else who sees this go into more detail about the above? Thanks Nate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 The discovery process,for example, could open up a whole new can of worms for AAWS, such as thecourt ordering the plaintiffs to give defendants complete access to AA'shistorical archives -- including those much talked-about items that AArefuses to let anyone see -- not to mention all the confidential memos andother items used to make a case against the defendant. Dan- Could you, or somebody else who sees this go into more detail about the above? Thanks Nate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 The discovery process,for example, could open up a whole new can of worms for AAWS, such as thecourt ordering the plaintiffs to give defendants complete access to AA'shistorical archives -- including those much talked-about items that AArefuses to let anyone see -- not to mention all the confidential memos andother items used to make a case against the defendant. Dan- Could you, or somebody else who sees this go into more detail about the above? Thanks Nate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 all i know is there are documents of some sort that they have, which they dont allow even the few aa historians who have been granted access to their material to see. i dont know what they may be, the story i read didnt say, it could be that no one outside really knows what they have . i think i read this at gso.org. as you know, there are more AA history buffs than you cna shake a stick at. they aren too happy about being shut out. it was one of wilsons proclamations that we remmeber their past. i wonder what happnes if we dont? do we die from that as well? > The discovery process, > for example, could open up a whole new can of worms for AAWS, such as the > court ordering the plaintiffs to give defendants complete access to AA's > historical archives -- including those much talked-about items that AA > refuses to let anyone see -- not to mention all the confidential memos and > other items used to make a case against the defendant. > > > > > Dan- > > Could you, or somebody else who sees this go into more detail about the above? > > Thanks > > Nate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2001 Report Share Posted January 28, 2001 Nate, I'll see if I can contact someone I know with a more relevant and formal legal background (a lawyer for information on this. No promises of course, but if I get a response I'll post it asap. Dan Dan- Could you, or somebody else who sees this go into more detail about the above? Thanks Nate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2001 Report Share Posted January 29, 2001 what is this gso.org page?? I went to it it is pretty weird. Its like AA but antiAA. I don't get thier humor at all. Anyway, there is a very small mention about the AAWS and a German bookmaker on this page (#2): http://www.gso.org/tony/index.htm Re: AAWS German lawsuit > all i know is there are documents of some sort that they have, > which they dont allow even the few aa historians who have been > granted access to their material to see. i dont know what they > may be, the story i read didnt say, it could be that no one outside > really knows what they have . i think i read this at gso.org. as you > know, there are more AA history buffs than you cna shake a stick > at. they aren too happy about being shut out. it was one of > wilsons proclamations that we remmeber their past. > > i wonder what happnes if we dont? do we die from that as well? > > > > > > > > > > The discovery process, > > for example, could open up a whole new can of worms for > AAWS, such as the > > court ordering the plaintiffs to give defendants complete > access to AA's > > historical archives -- including those much talked-about items > that AA > > refuses to let anyone see -- not to mention all the confidential > memos and > > other items used to make a case against the defendant. > > > > > > > > > > Dan- > > > > Could you, or somebody else who sees this go into more > detail about the above? > > > > Thanks > > > > Nate > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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