Guest guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 You'll have to post the cookie recipes, sometime. I believe the SCD founder backed off the " cure " for celiac, prior to her death. Or, perhaps clarified her statement that the " cure " for CD was the SCD diet for life (which just happens to also be gluten free, so is just as much a cure as the gf diet is). Of course, that doesn't update all the old books and other web sites out there. > -----Original Message----- >... more than that, and we were not trying to cure celiac. We were > trying to get rid of yeast issues, and it was very effective for that. > > In addition, because I had to do so much from scratch, it broke my > use of expensive gluten-free products. I discovered my children > could eat and thrive off of vegetables, fruits, and meats. I > discovered some wonderful nut flour cookies and breads that are > unbelievably moist. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 You'll have to post the cookie recipes, sometime. I believe the SCD founder backed off the " cure " for celiac, prior to her death. Or, perhaps clarified her statement that the " cure " for CD was the SCD diet for life (which just happens to also be gluten free, so is just as much a cure as the gf diet is). Of course, that doesn't update all the old books and other web sites out there. > -----Original Message----- >... more than that, and we were not trying to cure celiac. We were > trying to get rid of yeast issues, and it was very effective for that. > > In addition, because I had to do so much from scratch, it broke my > use of expensive gluten-free products. I discovered my children > could eat and thrive off of vegetables, fruits, and meats. I > discovered some wonderful nut flour cookies and breads that are > unbelievably moist. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 You'll have to post the cookie recipes, sometime. I believe the SCD founder backed off the " cure " for celiac, prior to her death. Or, perhaps clarified her statement that the " cure " for CD was the SCD diet for life (which just happens to also be gluten free, so is just as much a cure as the gf diet is). Of course, that doesn't update all the old books and other web sites out there. > -----Original Message----- >... more than that, and we were not trying to cure celiac. We were > trying to get rid of yeast issues, and it was very effective for that. > > In addition, because I had to do so much from scratch, it broke my > use of expensive gluten-free products. I discovered my children > could eat and thrive off of vegetables, fruits, and meats. I > discovered some wonderful nut flour cookies and breads that are > unbelievably moist. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 I have no opinion on the merits or demerits of the diet for IBS. I just think that it is unecessarily restrictive for a typical celiac. While I am not personally interested in researching it for myself, I am always glad to hear that people have been able to improve their own health or the health of their family by whatever means. I also agree that GF mixes and special products can be over-rated and drive the budget through the roof. I find that my diet is the best- the most varied, tasty, and yes, healthy- when I assemble things from scratch myself, including making special mixes to make this more convenient. I remember as a child being really sad because ice cream cones cost something $8 for four measly little cones- the markup on these products are crazy. I know the economic reasons for this, but it can still be disheartening. This is why learning to make specialty items yourself can really be a liberating and fun activity. I've really found food network to be a lot of fun in that way, as well as specialty cookbooks. (both gluten free and not, depending on the topic) To clarify my ideas about " healthy foods " , I generally prefer and consume fresh produce much more than frozen or canned, but it has recently occured to me that when I don't have time, I don't eat enough vegetables and so I've been trying to incorporate more frozen or canned veggetables into my diet. Some of these products do contain salt or sugar, but there are often low sodium alternatives. I read labels obsessively anyway, so it doesn't take that much more time to check for these things. As far as doing things cheaply, leaving nutritional value out of it, I think it is pretty clear that dried beans are one of the cheapest sources of protein out there- if you want to hassle with soaking them overnight, etc. And if not, canned goods (either vegetable or beans) can be a pretty good dinner bargain if you can find them on sale. You can get a quite a lot of potatoes for a low price when you buy one of the 5-10lb bag or heavier. Now if, like me, you have a thing for fancy potatoes (i especially like the purple!!) they can cost more, but still, they're not bad. And canned tuna, well, given the price of lunchmeat, I don't think a dollar or so for two sandwiches with tuna salad is too bad. (of course not including the price of the bread, sigh.) Egg salad is arguably cheaper, but a little variety is nice. The point is, there are cheap(er) ways to do celiac, and we can all take heart from that. (and i think we can all agree that buying all the pricey gluten-free goods is NOT a cheap way to go, alas.) I also think that following international cuisine can end up saving you a lot of money, if you shop at the appropriate market. It might cost a fortune to buy the ingredients for making sushi (nori sheets, sushi rice, rice vinegar, pickled ginger etc) at some place like Whole Foods, but if you go to a Japanese market (or better yet, general asian market with lower prices- the Japanese market in my area has Japan prices!), you can get the same items for a fraction of the cost. (Note: obviously if you have to get sushi quality raw fish, it will not be cheap, but you don't need to- veggie rolls or philadelphia rolls (if you can find cheap smoked salmon and cream cheese) are a bargain, especially compared to how much they would cost at a restaurant or at a deli counter. Veggie sushi is a bargain by any standard.) Indian food can also be quite cheap to assemble, with low cost ingredients like dal, fresh or frozen vegetables, and spices. Even better, it's not boring- which can be a challenge when trying to follow a gluten free diet. > I disagree with you on what your definition of cheap and healthy > foods are, by the way. However, that is neither here nor there. > > If you bought the book, you would understand the why's behind it. > That being said, for simply a celiac disease, this diet is not > necessary. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 I have no opinion on the merits or demerits of the diet for IBS. I just think that it is unecessarily restrictive for a typical celiac. While I am not personally interested in researching it for myself, I am always glad to hear that people have been able to improve their own health or the health of their family by whatever means. I also agree that GF mixes and special products can be over-rated and drive the budget through the roof. I find that my diet is the best- the most varied, tasty, and yes, healthy- when I assemble things from scratch myself, including making special mixes to make this more convenient. I remember as a child being really sad because ice cream cones cost something $8 for four measly little cones- the markup on these products are crazy. I know the economic reasons for this, but it can still be disheartening. This is why learning to make specialty items yourself can really be a liberating and fun activity. I've really found food network to be a lot of fun in that way, as well as specialty cookbooks. (both gluten free and not, depending on the topic) To clarify my ideas about " healthy foods " , I generally prefer and consume fresh produce much more than frozen or canned, but it has recently occured to me that when I don't have time, I don't eat enough vegetables and so I've been trying to incorporate more frozen or canned veggetables into my diet. Some of these products do contain salt or sugar, but there are often low sodium alternatives. I read labels obsessively anyway, so it doesn't take that much more time to check for these things. As far as doing things cheaply, leaving nutritional value out of it, I think it is pretty clear that dried beans are one of the cheapest sources of protein out there- if you want to hassle with soaking them overnight, etc. And if not, canned goods (either vegetable or beans) can be a pretty good dinner bargain if you can find them on sale. You can get a quite a lot of potatoes for a low price when you buy one of the 5-10lb bag or heavier. Now if, like me, you have a thing for fancy potatoes (i especially like the purple!!) they can cost more, but still, they're not bad. And canned tuna, well, given the price of lunchmeat, I don't think a dollar or so for two sandwiches with tuna salad is too bad. (of course not including the price of the bread, sigh.) Egg salad is arguably cheaper, but a little variety is nice. The point is, there are cheap(er) ways to do celiac, and we can all take heart from that. (and i think we can all agree that buying all the pricey gluten-free goods is NOT a cheap way to go, alas.) I also think that following international cuisine can end up saving you a lot of money, if you shop at the appropriate market. It might cost a fortune to buy the ingredients for making sushi (nori sheets, sushi rice, rice vinegar, pickled ginger etc) at some place like Whole Foods, but if you go to a Japanese market (or better yet, general asian market with lower prices- the Japanese market in my area has Japan prices!), you can get the same items for a fraction of the cost. (Note: obviously if you have to get sushi quality raw fish, it will not be cheap, but you don't need to- veggie rolls or philadelphia rolls (if you can find cheap smoked salmon and cream cheese) are a bargain, especially compared to how much they would cost at a restaurant or at a deli counter. Veggie sushi is a bargain by any standard.) Indian food can also be quite cheap to assemble, with low cost ingredients like dal, fresh or frozen vegetables, and spices. Even better, it's not boring- which can be a challenge when trying to follow a gluten free diet. > I disagree with you on what your definition of cheap and healthy > foods are, by the way. However, that is neither here nor there. > > If you bought the book, you would understand the why's behind it. > That being said, for simply a celiac disease, this diet is not > necessary. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 I have no opinion on the merits or demerits of the diet for IBS. I just think that it is unecessarily restrictive for a typical celiac. While I am not personally interested in researching it for myself, I am always glad to hear that people have been able to improve their own health or the health of their family by whatever means. I also agree that GF mixes and special products can be over-rated and drive the budget through the roof. I find that my diet is the best- the most varied, tasty, and yes, healthy- when I assemble things from scratch myself, including making special mixes to make this more convenient. I remember as a child being really sad because ice cream cones cost something $8 for four measly little cones- the markup on these products are crazy. I know the economic reasons for this, but it can still be disheartening. This is why learning to make specialty items yourself can really be a liberating and fun activity. I've really found food network to be a lot of fun in that way, as well as specialty cookbooks. (both gluten free and not, depending on the topic) To clarify my ideas about " healthy foods " , I generally prefer and consume fresh produce much more than frozen or canned, but it has recently occured to me that when I don't have time, I don't eat enough vegetables and so I've been trying to incorporate more frozen or canned veggetables into my diet. Some of these products do contain salt or sugar, but there are often low sodium alternatives. I read labels obsessively anyway, so it doesn't take that much more time to check for these things. As far as doing things cheaply, leaving nutritional value out of it, I think it is pretty clear that dried beans are one of the cheapest sources of protein out there- if you want to hassle with soaking them overnight, etc. And if not, canned goods (either vegetable or beans) can be a pretty good dinner bargain if you can find them on sale. You can get a quite a lot of potatoes for a low price when you buy one of the 5-10lb bag or heavier. Now if, like me, you have a thing for fancy potatoes (i especially like the purple!!) they can cost more, but still, they're not bad. And canned tuna, well, given the price of lunchmeat, I don't think a dollar or so for two sandwiches with tuna salad is too bad. (of course not including the price of the bread, sigh.) Egg salad is arguably cheaper, but a little variety is nice. The point is, there are cheap(er) ways to do celiac, and we can all take heart from that. (and i think we can all agree that buying all the pricey gluten-free goods is NOT a cheap way to go, alas.) I also think that following international cuisine can end up saving you a lot of money, if you shop at the appropriate market. It might cost a fortune to buy the ingredients for making sushi (nori sheets, sushi rice, rice vinegar, pickled ginger etc) at some place like Whole Foods, but if you go to a Japanese market (or better yet, general asian market with lower prices- the Japanese market in my area has Japan prices!), you can get the same items for a fraction of the cost. (Note: obviously if you have to get sushi quality raw fish, it will not be cheap, but you don't need to- veggie rolls or philadelphia rolls (if you can find cheap smoked salmon and cream cheese) are a bargain, especially compared to how much they would cost at a restaurant or at a deli counter. Veggie sushi is a bargain by any standard.) Indian food can also be quite cheap to assemble, with low cost ingredients like dal, fresh or frozen vegetables, and spices. Even better, it's not boring- which can be a challenge when trying to follow a gluten free diet. > I disagree with you on what your definition of cheap and healthy > foods are, by the way. However, that is neither here nor there. > > If you bought the book, you would understand the why's behind it. > That being said, for simply a celiac disease, this diet is not > necessary. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 IA it is not necessary for celiac. I think sometimes people self- diagnose (our family is guilty of that) and find not all their symptoms are alleviated, but they are on the right path by first going gluten free. We also shop and enjoy food from Thailand, Mexico, and India. It is very tasty. Indian restaurants often deep fry stuff in chickpea flour, and if they have a dedicated fryer for this, my husband and I can enjoy some wonderful nights out. Thanks for your further explanation on canned goods/nutrition. I understand where you are coming from, now. The only thing I question is canned tuna because of mercury - we tend to do canned Alaskan Salmon instead, but I doubt small doses of tuna are all that big of a deal. > > I have no opinion on the merits or demerits of the diet for IBS. I > just think that it is unecessarily restrictive for a typical celiac. > While I am not personally interested in researching it for myself, I > am always glad to hear that people have been able to improve their > own health or the health of their family by whatever means. > > I also agree that GF mixes and special products can be over-rated > and drive the budget through the roof. I find that my diet is the > best- the most varied, tasty, and yes, healthy- when I assemble > things from scratch myself, including making special mixes to make > this more convenient. I remember as a child being really sad because > ice cream cones cost something $8 for four measly little cones- the > markup on these products are crazy. I know the economic reasons for > this, but it can still be disheartening. This is why learning to > make specialty items yourself can really be a liberating and fun > activity. I've really found food network to be a lot of fun in that > way, as well as specialty cookbooks. (both gluten free and not, > depending on the topic) > > To clarify my ideas about " healthy foods " , I generally prefer and > consume fresh produce much more than frozen or canned, but it has > recently occured to me that when I don't have time, I don't eat > enough vegetables and so I've been trying to incorporate more frozen > or canned veggetables into my diet. Some of these products do > contain salt or sugar, but there are often low sodium alternatives. > I read labels obsessively anyway, so it doesn't take that much more > time to check for these things. > > As far as doing things cheaply, leaving nutritional value out of it, > I think it is pretty clear that dried beans are one of the cheapest > sources of protein out there- if you want to hassle with soaking > them overnight, etc. And if not, canned goods (either vegetable or > beans) can be a pretty good dinner bargain if you can find them on > sale. You can get a quite a lot of potatoes for a low price when you > buy one of the 5-10lb bag or heavier. Now if, like me, you have a > thing for fancy potatoes (i especially like the purple!!) they can > cost more, but still, they're not bad. And canned tuna, well, given > the price of lunchmeat, I don't think a dollar or so for two > sandwiches with tuna salad is too bad. (of course not including the > price of the bread, sigh.) Egg salad is arguably cheaper, but a > little variety is nice. The point is, there are cheap(er) ways to do > celiac, and we can all take heart from that. (and i think we can all > agree that buying all the pricey gluten-free goods is NOT a cheap > way to go, alas.) > > I also think that following international cuisine can end up saving > you a lot of money, if you shop at the appropriate market. It might > cost a fortune to buy the ingredients for making sushi (nori sheets, > sushi rice, rice vinegar, pickled ginger etc) at some place like > Whole Foods, but if you go to a Japanese market (or better yet, > general asian market with lower prices- the Japanese market in my > area has Japan prices!), you can get the same items for a fraction > of the cost. (Note: obviously if you have to get sushi quality raw > fish, it will not be cheap, but you don't need to- veggie rolls or > philadelphia rolls (if you can find cheap smoked salmon and cream > cheese) are a bargain, especially compared to how much they would > cost at a restaurant or at a deli counter. Veggie sushi is a bargain > by any standard.) Indian food can also be quite cheap to assemble, > with low cost ingredients like dal, fresh or frozen vegetables, and > spices. Even better, it's not boring- which can be a challenge when > trying to follow a gluten free diet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 IA it is not necessary for celiac. I think sometimes people self- diagnose (our family is guilty of that) and find not all their symptoms are alleviated, but they are on the right path by first going gluten free. We also shop and enjoy food from Thailand, Mexico, and India. It is very tasty. Indian restaurants often deep fry stuff in chickpea flour, and if they have a dedicated fryer for this, my husband and I can enjoy some wonderful nights out. Thanks for your further explanation on canned goods/nutrition. I understand where you are coming from, now. The only thing I question is canned tuna because of mercury - we tend to do canned Alaskan Salmon instead, but I doubt small doses of tuna are all that big of a deal. > > I have no opinion on the merits or demerits of the diet for IBS. I > just think that it is unecessarily restrictive for a typical celiac. > While I am not personally interested in researching it for myself, I > am always glad to hear that people have been able to improve their > own health or the health of their family by whatever means. > > I also agree that GF mixes and special products can be over-rated > and drive the budget through the roof. I find that my diet is the > best- the most varied, tasty, and yes, healthy- when I assemble > things from scratch myself, including making special mixes to make > this more convenient. I remember as a child being really sad because > ice cream cones cost something $8 for four measly little cones- the > markup on these products are crazy. I know the economic reasons for > this, but it can still be disheartening. This is why learning to > make specialty items yourself can really be a liberating and fun > activity. I've really found food network to be a lot of fun in that > way, as well as specialty cookbooks. (both gluten free and not, > depending on the topic) > > To clarify my ideas about " healthy foods " , I generally prefer and > consume fresh produce much more than frozen or canned, but it has > recently occured to me that when I don't have time, I don't eat > enough vegetables and so I've been trying to incorporate more frozen > or canned veggetables into my diet. Some of these products do > contain salt or sugar, but there are often low sodium alternatives. > I read labels obsessively anyway, so it doesn't take that much more > time to check for these things. > > As far as doing things cheaply, leaving nutritional value out of it, > I think it is pretty clear that dried beans are one of the cheapest > sources of protein out there- if you want to hassle with soaking > them overnight, etc. And if not, canned goods (either vegetable or > beans) can be a pretty good dinner bargain if you can find them on > sale. You can get a quite a lot of potatoes for a low price when you > buy one of the 5-10lb bag or heavier. Now if, like me, you have a > thing for fancy potatoes (i especially like the purple!!) they can > cost more, but still, they're not bad. And canned tuna, well, given > the price of lunchmeat, I don't think a dollar or so for two > sandwiches with tuna salad is too bad. (of course not including the > price of the bread, sigh.) Egg salad is arguably cheaper, but a > little variety is nice. The point is, there are cheap(er) ways to do > celiac, and we can all take heart from that. (and i think we can all > agree that buying all the pricey gluten-free goods is NOT a cheap > way to go, alas.) > > I also think that following international cuisine can end up saving > you a lot of money, if you shop at the appropriate market. It might > cost a fortune to buy the ingredients for making sushi (nori sheets, > sushi rice, rice vinegar, pickled ginger etc) at some place like > Whole Foods, but if you go to a Japanese market (or better yet, > general asian market with lower prices- the Japanese market in my > area has Japan prices!), you can get the same items for a fraction > of the cost. (Note: obviously if you have to get sushi quality raw > fish, it will not be cheap, but you don't need to- veggie rolls or > philadelphia rolls (if you can find cheap smoked salmon and cream > cheese) are a bargain, especially compared to how much they would > cost at a restaurant or at a deli counter. Veggie sushi is a bargain > by any standard.) Indian food can also be quite cheap to assemble, > with low cost ingredients like dal, fresh or frozen vegetables, and > spices. Even better, it's not boring- which can be a challenge when > trying to follow a gluten free diet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 IA it is not necessary for celiac. I think sometimes people self- diagnose (our family is guilty of that) and find not all their symptoms are alleviated, but they are on the right path by first going gluten free. We also shop and enjoy food from Thailand, Mexico, and India. It is very tasty. Indian restaurants often deep fry stuff in chickpea flour, and if they have a dedicated fryer for this, my husband and I can enjoy some wonderful nights out. Thanks for your further explanation on canned goods/nutrition. I understand where you are coming from, now. The only thing I question is canned tuna because of mercury - we tend to do canned Alaskan Salmon instead, but I doubt small doses of tuna are all that big of a deal. > > I have no opinion on the merits or demerits of the diet for IBS. I > just think that it is unecessarily restrictive for a typical celiac. > While I am not personally interested in researching it for myself, I > am always glad to hear that people have been able to improve their > own health or the health of their family by whatever means. > > I also agree that GF mixes and special products can be over-rated > and drive the budget through the roof. I find that my diet is the > best- the most varied, tasty, and yes, healthy- when I assemble > things from scratch myself, including making special mixes to make > this more convenient. I remember as a child being really sad because > ice cream cones cost something $8 for four measly little cones- the > markup on these products are crazy. I know the economic reasons for > this, but it can still be disheartening. This is why learning to > make specialty items yourself can really be a liberating and fun > activity. I've really found food network to be a lot of fun in that > way, as well as specialty cookbooks. (both gluten free and not, > depending on the topic) > > To clarify my ideas about " healthy foods " , I generally prefer and > consume fresh produce much more than frozen or canned, but it has > recently occured to me that when I don't have time, I don't eat > enough vegetables and so I've been trying to incorporate more frozen > or canned veggetables into my diet. Some of these products do > contain salt or sugar, but there are often low sodium alternatives. > I read labels obsessively anyway, so it doesn't take that much more > time to check for these things. > > As far as doing things cheaply, leaving nutritional value out of it, > I think it is pretty clear that dried beans are one of the cheapest > sources of protein out there- if you want to hassle with soaking > them overnight, etc. And if not, canned goods (either vegetable or > beans) can be a pretty good dinner bargain if you can find them on > sale. You can get a quite a lot of potatoes for a low price when you > buy one of the 5-10lb bag or heavier. Now if, like me, you have a > thing for fancy potatoes (i especially like the purple!!) they can > cost more, but still, they're not bad. And canned tuna, well, given > the price of lunchmeat, I don't think a dollar or so for two > sandwiches with tuna salad is too bad. (of course not including the > price of the bread, sigh.) Egg salad is arguably cheaper, but a > little variety is nice. The point is, there are cheap(er) ways to do > celiac, and we can all take heart from that. (and i think we can all > agree that buying all the pricey gluten-free goods is NOT a cheap > way to go, alas.) > > I also think that following international cuisine can end up saving > you a lot of money, if you shop at the appropriate market. It might > cost a fortune to buy the ingredients for making sushi (nori sheets, > sushi rice, rice vinegar, pickled ginger etc) at some place like > Whole Foods, but if you go to a Japanese market (or better yet, > general asian market with lower prices- the Japanese market in my > area has Japan prices!), you can get the same items for a fraction > of the cost. (Note: obviously if you have to get sushi quality raw > fish, it will not be cheap, but you don't need to- veggie rolls or > philadelphia rolls (if you can find cheap smoked salmon and cream > cheese) are a bargain, especially compared to how much they would > cost at a restaurant or at a deli counter. Veggie sushi is a bargain > by any standard.) Indian food can also be quite cheap to assemble, > with low cost ingredients like dal, fresh or frozen vegetables, and > spices. Even better, it's not boring- which can be a challenge when > trying to follow a gluten free diet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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