Re: doing this cheaply...

December 8, 2005

Hi Dee-

I'm sorry you're having a tough start w/the gf diet! Would you post some more specific information about where you're having the most trouble - lunch, baked goods, etc? Then maybe it would be easier for the rest of us to send out some suggestions that would be most helpful to you.

Sending good & frugal thoughts your way!

doing this cheaply...

Ok, first off, I will openly admit that at the moment my diagnosis stands at "wheat intolerant" based on elimination diet. (Doc doesn't want to do further testing, so who knows what's really up...)I'm on a very limited budget, so this news wasn't entirely welcome. I mean, yes it is really nice to not have all the physical troubles but boy has this been a really unwelcome bit of news in the budget department... How do you eliminate wheat cheaply or even kind of affordably? To stick in our grocery budget I've been having to cheat (not good, I know) but even cooking from scratch almost entirely I'm having a very tough time finding stuff that doesn't have a bunch of wheat in it. Even our seasoned salt isn't safe. Dee

December 8, 2005

>

> How do you eliminate wheat cheaply or even kind of affordably? To

> stick in our grocery budget I've been having to cheat (not good, I

> know) but even cooking from scratch almost entirely I'm having a

> very tough time finding stuff that doesn't have a bunch of wheat in

> it. Even our seasoned salt isn't safe.

>

What are you having trouble with? Baking? Breads? Main dishes?

Lawry's is GF. You can often find coupons in the paper. Sam's sells

huge containers of it if you go through a lot.

We eat a lot of Indian food. Legumes and veggies are cheap and can

go a long way.

You can buy meat in larger amounts from butchers/slaughterhouses (I

have friends who go in together on whole sides of beef, whole steers,

etc, then portion it out and take it home to their respective

freezers). It's a larger initial expense, but the meat is much

cheaper per pound and you get some good cuts in the bargain.

Trader Joe's has some good frozen chicken. You can shop sales and

freeze what you don't need to use right away.

ygg

December 8, 2005

This diet is a really big adjustment! However, after you study it and shop a

while you will find mainstream foods that you like. I do almost all of my shopping at

Walmart. The only things I get at

whole foods or online are the xantham gum and all the weird flours when I do

lots of baking. Even some of these

can be found at much cheaper prices at some of the ethnic grocery stores. I am trying to find out more about that right now

myself.

When I was first diagnosed I spent a lot

of money buying gluten free prepared foods but simply didn’t like any on

them. They were very expensive and

didn’t taste good. There are

more and more items becoming available now that taste good, but it is still

cheaper to make it yourself. Yes,

it is very time consuming but that too gets easier. I don’t buy things like that now

unless they are very highly recommended by someone who has used them before!

When I find a recipe we like I mix up all

the dry ingredients in Ziploc bags so that I just grab a bag and mix in the wet

ingredients before cooking. This is

a huge timesaver for me.

I also cook meals in large amounts and

then freeze a portion for another meal when I might not feel like cooking. I keep small individual size portions of

things the kids can just pull out and zap in the microwave. Where they used to pull

out bagel bites or corn dogs, now they pull out taco meat for nachos or

quesadillas, chili, soups, chicken spaghetti, lasagna, etc. (O.k. this reminds me – I do buy gf

pasta on line but I try to watch for free shipping deals when possible).

Earlier this week there was a list of

foods that actually say gf on the label. Many others have good labeling policies. There is a good substitute for almost

everything. For example, at first I

freaked out because our soy sauce (kikkoman’s) had wheat in it. I use a lot and couldn’t imagine

doing without. Then I realized that

La Choy and San-j and others are available without wheat. The folks here are great about helping

you come up with ideas. It really

will get better!

Becky

From: SillyYaks [mailto:SillyYaks ] On Behalf Of Dee Amschler

Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005

11:50 AM

To: SillyYaks

Subject: doing this

cheaply...

Ok, first off, I will openly admit that at the moment my diagnosis

stands at " wheat intolerant " based on elimination diet. (Doc

doesn't want to do further testing, so who knows what's really up...)

I'm on a very limited budget, so this news wasn't entirely welcome. I

mean, yes it is really nice to not have all the physical troubles but boy has

this been a really unwelcome bit of news in the budget department...

How do you eliminate wheat cheaply or even kind of affordably? To stick

in our grocery budget I've been having to cheat (not good, I know) but even

cooking from scratch almost entirely I'm having a very tough time finding stuff

that doesn't have a bunch of wheat in it. Even our seasoned salt isn't

safe.

Dee

December 8, 2005

Geez, I'm having trouble just getting this mess going. Everything seems to be a problem. Breakfasts, lunches, dinners, snacks. Doesn't help much that both DH and I have diabetes or that he also has to be on a strict diet for weight loss and cholesterol. Seems like if it's not a carrot or a piece of meat then it's probably out of the question on at least one of our lists. Probably doesn't help either that I'm pretty picky about eating meat (and so many of my vegetarian recipes call for things like flour tortillas or bread crumbs).

Parts of this are easy though. I've never been much into bread (though I will admit I miss flour tortillas) or cakes and cookies (with the exception of nutter butters and brownies). It's the sneaky flour that really seems to be tripping me up. Oh, and trying to make gravy.

Would it be worth the trouble to see about visiting a dietician or nutritionist? I really do want to stick with this (though the makers of certain OTC products for allergies and digestive issues probably wish I'd go back to eating lots of wheat). I feel so much better without wheat, it's just getting really frustrating trying to shop.

Dee

Hi Dee-

I'm sorry you're having a tough start w/the gf diet! Would you post some more specific information about where you're having the most trouble - lunch, baked goods, etc? Then maybe it would be easier for the rest of us to send out some suggestions that would be most helpful to you.

Sending good & frugal thoughts your way!

December 8, 2005

Geez, I'm having trouble just getting this mess going. Everything seems to be a problem. Breakfasts, lunches, dinners, snacks. Doesn't help much that both DH and I have diabetes or that he also has to be on a strict diet for weight loss and cholesterol. Seems like if it's not a carrot or a piece of meat then it's probably out of the question on at least one of our lists. Probably doesn't help either that I'm pretty picky about eating meat (and so many of my vegetarian recipes call for things like flour tortillas or bread crumbs).

Parts of this are easy though. I've never been much into bread (though I will admit I miss flour tortillas) or cakes and cookies (with the exception of nutter butters and brownies). It's the sneaky flour that really seems to be tripping me up. Oh, and trying to make gravy.

Would it be worth the trouble to see about visiting a dietician or nutritionist? I really do want to stick with this (though the makers of certain OTC products for allergies and digestive issues probably wish I'd go back to eating lots of wheat). I feel so much better without wheat, it's just getting really frustrating trying to shop.

Dee

Hi Dee-

I'm sorry you're having a tough start w/the gf diet! Would you post some more specific information about where you're having the most trouble - lunch, baked goods, etc? Then maybe it would be easier for the rest of us to send out some suggestions that would be most helpful to you.

Sending good & frugal thoughts your way!

December 8, 2005

Geez, I'm having trouble just getting this mess going. Everything seems to be a problem. Breakfasts, lunches, dinners, snacks. Doesn't help much that both DH and I have diabetes or that he also has to be on a strict diet for weight loss and cholesterol. Seems like if it's not a carrot or a piece of meat then it's probably out of the question on at least one of our lists. Probably doesn't help either that I'm pretty picky about eating meat (and so many of my vegetarian recipes call for things like flour tortillas or bread crumbs).

Parts of this are easy though. I've never been much into bread (though I will admit I miss flour tortillas) or cakes and cookies (with the exception of nutter butters and brownies). It's the sneaky flour that really seems to be tripping me up. Oh, and trying to make gravy.

Would it be worth the trouble to see about visiting a dietician or nutritionist? I really do want to stick with this (though the makers of certain OTC products for allergies and digestive issues probably wish I'd go back to eating lots of wheat). I feel so much better without wheat, it's just getting really frustrating trying to shop.

Dee

Hi Dee-

I'm sorry you're having a tough start w/the gf diet! Would you post some more specific information about where you're having the most trouble - lunch, baked goods, etc? Then maybe it would be easier for the rest of us to send out some suggestions that would be most helpful to you.

Sending good & frugal thoughts your way!

December 8, 2005

> Geez, I'm having trouble just getting this mess going. Everything

> seems to be a problem. Breakfasts, lunches, dinners, snacks.

> Doesn't help much that both DH and I have diabetes or that he also

> has to be on a strict diet for weight loss and cholesterol. Seems

> like if it's not a carrot or a piece of meat then it's probably out

> of the question on at least one of our lists. Probably doesn't

> help either that I'm pretty picky about eating meat (and so many of

> my vegetarian recipes call for things like flour tortillas or bread

> crumbs).

>

My husband is hypoglycemic and is more brittle than the diabetics I

know. Most of our food budget goes toward meat. For ethical

reasons, I insist on local organic/sustainable meat, but I know

that's a luxury some folks can't afford. (I go without new clothing

or music or tires in order to eat this way.)

Prior to going GF, he did see a nutritionist, who had issues with our

food limitations (soy and pb allergies for me). She found it very

hard to work with our insistence that no soy come in the house. In

fact, she convinced him he had to eat soy protein (I was vegetarian

at the time) and I ended up having severe allergic reactions--I'm

contact reactive and I react to my husband's secretions if he eats

the stuff. That's when we started bringing more meat into the house.

His diet at that time was very low in carbs. They were allowed, but

had to be healthy carbs: lentils, beans, whole grains. He couldn't

have potatoes or fruit juice, etc.

He suggests you consider the Zone, with whatever personal

adaptations you need. It stresses foods low on the glycemic index

and wheat rarely falls into that category. Healthy fats and proteins

are in there, which are great for diabetics. He finds it suspicious

because he thinks the standard diet in it doesn't provide enough

calories to sustain a healthy, active human being. He is, however,

underweight, and needs more calories.

If you want to ask my husband what he personally eats, email me and

I'll put him in touch with you. Our house is gluten-free, with the

exception of his scottish oats for breakfast (you can opt for

buckwheat or quinoa) and the very rare granola bar he grabs for on-

the-go (I tend to buy larabars and boomibars instead).

> Parts of this are easy though. I've never been much into bread

> (though I will admit I miss flour tortillas) or cakes and cookies

> (with the exception of nutter butters and brownies). It's the

> sneaky flour that really seems to be tripping me up. Oh, and

> trying to make gravy.

>

mochiko--it's sweet rice flour. It makes a great white sauce/gravy.

You can find it at asian markets, trader joe's, and health food

stores. It might be called glutinous rice flour--glutinous rice is

sticky rice, it's not got the kind of gluten we need to worry about.

ygg

December 8, 2005

I completely understand where you are coming from. It was less than

a year ago that I had to start with all of this too and was very

overwhelmed. I used to cry when I went to the grocery store because

my whole world changed. What you have to realize is that you are

doing this for your health and you will feel SOOOOO much better

afterward. A good, useful tool for me was

http://forums.delphiforums.com/celiac/start. You can look for

products you already use to see if they are without wheat.

Breakfast for me is pretty easy. I love hash browns, eggs, there

are lots of different kinds of bacon and sausage that are okay, some

cereals, and I eat a lot of fruit and yogurt. Wheat free pasta

isn't very expensive and I have found some brown rice tortillas that

I like and aren't too expensive either. I get most all of my stuff

at the same grocery store. They are a regular store with a health

food section. So, any EXTRAS I need I can get there. I use crushed

up cereal in place of bread crumbs for a lot of stuff, like

meatloaf. Bread can be expensive, so try making it at home

instead. There is also a recipe section on delphi forums to look

at. Also, everyone on here is a lot of help as far as recipes go.

I still make the best brownies ever and I use the same recipe I

always have, just sustitute an all purpose gluten free flour

instead. Just keep asking specific questions and you will probably

get all the info and more than you need.

Good luck!!!

Rhiannon

> >

> > Hi Dee-

> >

> > I'm sorry you're having a tough start w/the gf diet! Would you

post some

> > more specific information about where you're having the most

trouble -

> > lunch, baked goods, etc? Then maybe it would be easier for the

rest of us

> > to send out some suggestions that would be most helpful to you.

> >

> > Sending good & frugal thoughts your way!

> >

>

December 8, 2005

Thanks for the tips everybody. I'm sure it would have been very helpful (and a lot less overwhelming) if doc had said more than " don't eat wheat for the next 30 days and if the symptoms dissappear then continue excluding it " . Um, thanks doc.

Thanks again.Dee

I completely understand where you are coming from. It was less than

a year ago that I had to start with all of this too and was very

overwhelmed. I used to cry when I went to the grocery store because

my whole world changed. What you have to realize is that you are

doing this for your health and you will feel SOOOOO much better

afterward. A good, useful tool for me was

http://forums.delphiforums.com/celiac/start. You can look for

products you already use to see if they are without wheat.

Breakfast for me is pretty easy. I love hash browns, eggs, there

are lots of different kinds of bacon and sausage that are okay, some

cereals, and I eat a lot of fruit and yogurt. Wheat free pasta

isn't very expensive and I have found some brown rice tortillas that

I like and aren't too expensive either. I get most all of my stuff

at the same grocery store. They are a regular store with a health

food section. So, any EXTRAS I need I can get there. I use crushed

up cereal in place of bread crumbs for a lot of stuff, like

meatloaf. Bread can be expensive, so try making it at home

instead. There is also a recipe section on delphi forums to look

at. Also, everyone on here is a lot of help as far as recipes go.

I still make the best brownies ever and I use the same recipe I

always have, just sustitute an all purpose gluten free flour

instead. Just keep asking specific questions and you will probably

get all the info and more than you need.

Good luck!!!

Rhiannon

> >

> > Hi Dee-

> >

> > I'm sorry you're having a tough start w/the gf diet! Would you

post some

> > more specific information about where you're having the most

trouble -

> > lunch, baked goods, etc? Then maybe it would be easier for the

rest of us

> > to send out some suggestions that would be most helpful to you.

> >

> > Sending good & frugal thoughts your way!

> >

>

December 8, 2005

Thanks for the tips everybody. I'm sure it would have been very helpful (and a lot less overwhelming) if doc had said more than " don't eat wheat for the next 30 days and if the symptoms dissappear then continue excluding it " . Um, thanks doc.

Thanks again.Dee

I completely understand where you are coming from. It was less than

a year ago that I had to start with all of this too and was very

overwhelmed. I used to cry when I went to the grocery store because

my whole world changed. What you have to realize is that you are

doing this for your health and you will feel SOOOOO much better

afterward. A good, useful tool for me was

http://forums.delphiforums.com/celiac/start. You can look for

products you already use to see if they are without wheat.

Breakfast for me is pretty easy. I love hash browns, eggs, there

are lots of different kinds of bacon and sausage that are okay, some

cereals, and I eat a lot of fruit and yogurt. Wheat free pasta

isn't very expensive and I have found some brown rice tortillas that

I like and aren't too expensive either. I get most all of my stuff

at the same grocery store. They are a regular store with a health

food section. So, any EXTRAS I need I can get there. I use crushed

up cereal in place of bread crumbs for a lot of stuff, like

meatloaf. Bread can be expensive, so try making it at home

instead. There is also a recipe section on delphi forums to look

at. Also, everyone on here is a lot of help as far as recipes go.

I still make the best brownies ever and I use the same recipe I

always have, just sustitute an all purpose gluten free flour

instead. Just keep asking specific questions and you will probably

get all the info and more than you need.

Good luck!!!

Rhiannon

> >

> > Hi Dee-

> >

> > I'm sorry you're having a tough start w/the gf diet! Would you

post some

> > more specific information about where you're having the most

trouble -

> > lunch, baked goods, etc? Then maybe it would be easier for the

rest of us

> > to send out some suggestions that would be most helpful to you.

> >

> > Sending good & frugal thoughts your way!

> >

>

December 8, 2005

Just stick with it, it does get easier and you start to feel so much better. I think we have all had our grocery store moments

This group is great for helping you sort out all the overwhelming aspects of the new diet. The only thing I haven't mastered or replaced in GF form from my " wheat " days is bread and to be honest I haven't tried very hard. I too wasn't much into sandwiches prior to diagnosis so when I crave the occassional grilled cheese, I make it on corn tortillas.

We've all been where you are at...just keep asking!

On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 12:15:35 -0800, Dee Amschler wrote

> Thanks for the tips everybody. I'm sure it would have been very helpful (and a lot less overwhelming) if doc had said more than " don't eat wheat for the next 30 days and if the symptoms dissappear then continue excluding it " . Um, thanks doc. > > Thanks again.

> > Dee

> >

I completely understand where you are coming from. It was less than > a year ago that I had to start with all of this too and was very > overwhelmed. I used to cry when I went to the grocery store because > my whole world changed. What you have to realize is that you are > doing this for your health and you will feel SOOOOO much better > afterward. A good, useful tool for me was > http://forums.delphiforums.com/celiac/start. You can look for > products you already use to see if they are without wheat. > Breakfast for me is pretty easy. I love hash browns, eggs, there > are lots of different kinds of bacon and sausage that are okay, some > cereals, and I eat a lot of fruit and yogurt. Wheat free pasta > isn't very expensive and I have found some brown rice tortillas that > I like and aren't too expensive either. I get most all of my stuff > at the same grocery store. They are a regular store with a health > food section. So, any EXTRAS I need I can get there. I use crushed > up cereal in place of bread crumbs for a lot of stuff, like > meatloaf. Bread can be expensive, so try making it at home > instead. There is also a recipe section on delphi forums to look > at. Also, everyone on here is a lot of help as far as recipes go. > I still make the best brownies ever and I use the same recipe I > always have, just sustitute an all purpose gluten free flour > instead. Just keep asking specific questions and you will probably > get all the info and more than you need.

> > Good luck!!!

> Rhiannon

> >

> > >

> > > Hi Dee-

> > >

> > > I'm sorry you're having a tough start w/the gf diet! Would you > post some

> > > more specific information about where you're having the most > trouble -

> > > lunch, baked goods, etc? Then maybe it would be easier for the > rest of us

> > > to send out some suggestions that would be most helpful to you.

> > >

> > > Sending good & frugal thoughts your way!

> > >

> >

>

December 8, 2005

Just stick with it, it does get easier and you start to feel so much better. I think we have all had our grocery store moments

This group is great for helping you sort out all the overwhelming aspects of the new diet. The only thing I haven't mastered or replaced in GF form from my " wheat " days is bread and to be honest I haven't tried very hard. I too wasn't much into sandwiches prior to diagnosis so when I crave the occassional grilled cheese, I make it on corn tortillas.

We've all been where you are at...just keep asking!

On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 12:15:35 -0800, Dee Amschler wrote

> Thanks for the tips everybody. I'm sure it would have been very helpful (and a lot less overwhelming) if doc had said more than " don't eat wheat for the next 30 days and if the symptoms dissappear then continue excluding it " . Um, thanks doc. > > Thanks again.

> > Dee

> >

I completely understand where you are coming from. It was less than > a year ago that I had to start with all of this too and was very > overwhelmed. I used to cry when I went to the grocery store because > my whole world changed. What you have to realize is that you are > doing this for your health and you will feel SOOOOO much better > afterward. A good, useful tool for me was > http://forums.delphiforums.com/celiac/start. You can look for > products you already use to see if they are without wheat. > Breakfast for me is pretty easy. I love hash browns, eggs, there > are lots of different kinds of bacon and sausage that are okay, some > cereals, and I eat a lot of fruit and yogurt. Wheat free pasta > isn't very expensive and I have found some brown rice tortillas that > I like and aren't too expensive either. I get most all of my stuff > at the same grocery store. They are a regular store with a health > food section. So, any EXTRAS I need I can get there. I use crushed > up cereal in place of bread crumbs for a lot of stuff, like > meatloaf. Bread can be expensive, so try making it at home > instead. There is also a recipe section on delphi forums to look > at. Also, everyone on here is a lot of help as far as recipes go. > I still make the best brownies ever and I use the same recipe I > always have, just sustitute an all purpose gluten free flour > instead. Just keep asking specific questions and you will probably > get all the info and more than you need.

> > Good luck!!!

> Rhiannon

> >

> > >

> > > Hi Dee-

> > >

> > > I'm sorry you're having a tough start w/the gf diet! Would you > post some

> > > more specific information about where you're having the most > trouble -

> > > lunch, baked goods, etc? Then maybe it would be easier for the > rest of us

> > > to send out some suggestions that would be most helpful to you.

> > >

> > > Sending good & frugal thoughts your way!

> > >

> >

>

December 8, 2005

Dee, At first I was overwhelmed with not only the cost of some things but the cooking. It does take time, I used to be in the kitchen for hours cooking. A year later, I am back to work and making dinner in 30 min. now and my grocery bills have dropped since I have found so many things that are easy and inexpensive. You will get the hang of it with time. It is a shame that it is less expensive to eat poorly than not.Dee Amschler wrote: Ok, first off, I will openly admit that at the moment my diagnosis stands at "wheat intolerant" based on elimination diet. (Doc doesn't want to do further testing, so who knows what's really up...)I'm on a very limited budget, so this news wasn't entirely welcome. I mean, yes it is really nice to not have all the physical troubles but boy has

this been a really unwelcome bit of news in the budget department... How do you eliminate wheat cheaply or even kind of affordably? To stick in our grocery budget I've been having to cheat (not good, I know) but even cooking from scratch almost entirely I'm having a very tough time finding stuff that doesn't have a bunch of wheat in it. Even our seasoned salt isn't safe. Dee

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December 8, 2005

Dee, At first I was overwhelmed with not only the cost of some things but the cooking. It does take time, I used to be in the kitchen for hours cooking. A year later, I am back to work and making dinner in 30 min. now and my grocery bills have dropped since I have found so many things that are easy and inexpensive. You will get the hang of it with time. It is a shame that it is less expensive to eat poorly than not.Dee Amschler wrote: Ok, first off, I will openly admit that at the moment my diagnosis stands at "wheat intolerant" based on elimination diet. (Doc doesn't want to do further testing, so who knows what's really up...)I'm on a very limited budget, so this news wasn't entirely welcome. I mean, yes it is really nice to not have all the physical troubles but boy has

this been a really unwelcome bit of news in the budget department... How do you eliminate wheat cheaply or even kind of affordably? To stick in our grocery budget I've been having to cheat (not good, I know) but even cooking from scratch almost entirely I'm having a very tough time finding stuff that doesn't have a bunch of wheat in it. Even our seasoned salt isn't safe. Dee

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December 8, 2005

Dee, At first I was overwhelmed with not only the cost of some things but the cooking. It does take time, I used to be in the kitchen for hours cooking. A year later, I am back to work and making dinner in 30 min. now and my grocery bills have dropped since I have found so many things that are easy and inexpensive. You will get the hang of it with time. It is a shame that it is less expensive to eat poorly than not.Dee Amschler wrote: Ok, first off, I will openly admit that at the moment my diagnosis stands at "wheat intolerant" based on elimination diet. (Doc doesn't want to do further testing, so who knows what's really up...)I'm on a very limited budget, so this news wasn't entirely welcome. I mean, yes it is really nice to not have all the physical troubles but boy has

this been a really unwelcome bit of news in the budget department... How do you eliminate wheat cheaply or even kind of affordably? To stick in our grocery budget I've been having to cheat (not good, I know) but even cooking from scratch almost entirely I'm having a very tough time finding stuff that doesn't have a bunch of wheat in it. Even our seasoned salt isn't safe. Dee

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December 8, 2005

If you have vegetarian leanings or are just interested in gluten

free, vegetarian recipes, check out my recipes under Files > GF

Recipes > Tofu & Vegetarian Recipes. Tofu is one of the cheapest

proteins around, and you can really do some tasty things with it. My

husband likes meat, and my southern fried tofu (tofu in a nutritional

yeast coating and sauteed in oil- you could use nonfat cooking spray,

but it's better with a little olive oil- or just try the oven roasted

recipe which is fat free) is his hands down favorite thing that I

make. I have found a lot of vegetarian recipes to be very easy to

convert to wheat free, and I have many cookbooks I use all the time.

(corn tortillas work fine for most regular tortilla recipes, and you

can buy prepared bread crumbs made from corn or other products at a

reasonable price at health food stores).

Also, if you're just wheat free instead of gluten free, there are a

lot of good options and interesting things you can use that us gluten

free people have to avoid-- like oatmeal for example.

A nutritionist might be helpful for maintaining balance in your diet,

but I don't know how helpful they will be at giving you tasty food

options or recipes. I think a board like this one or wheat free/

gluten free cookbooks are the way to go for that...

Good luck and happy cooking!

>

> Geez, I'm having trouble just getting this mess going. Everything

seems to

> be a problem. Breakfasts, lunches, dinners, snacks. Doesn't help

much that

> both DH and I have diabetes or that he also has to be on a strict

diet for

> weight loss and cholesterol. Seems like if it's not a carrot or a

piece of

> meat then it's probably out of the question on at least one of our

lists.

> Probably doesn't help either that I'm pretty picky about eating

meat (and so

> many of my vegetarian recipes call for things like flour tortillas

or bread

> crumbs).

December 8, 2005