Guest guest Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 Personally, for an IBS type of diagnosis, I would do the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, which is grain free for something like a year. Here is a link: http://altmedicine.about.com/od/popularhealthdiets/a/specific_carb.htm This diet is VERY inexpensive. Anyway, when we first went down diet path over 4 years ago we spent a ton of money. What we discovered is that you are going to pay for alternative products unless you either learn how to bake yourself or forgo them. Dinners made of veges, fruits, nuts, eggs, meats, and rice gave us plenty of carbs without having to buy into the alternative grain products. > > Ok, first off, I will openly admit that at the moment my diagnosis stands at > " wheat intolerant " based on elimination diet. (Doc doesn't want to do > further testing, so who knows what's really up...) > > I'm on a very limited budget, so this news wasn't entirely welcome. I mean, > yes it is really nice to not have all the physical troubles but boy has this > been a really unwelcome bit of news in the budget department... > > How do you eliminate wheat cheaply or even kind of affordably? To stick in > our grocery budget I've been having to cheat (not good, I know) but even > cooking from scratch almost entirely I'm having a very tough time finding > stuff that doesn't have a bunch of wheat in it. Even our seasoned salt > isn't safe. > > Dee > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 Personally, for an IBS type of diagnosis, I would do the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, which is grain free for something like a year. Here is a link: http://altmedicine.about.com/od/popularhealthdiets/a/specific_carb.htm This diet is VERY inexpensive. Anyway, when we first went down diet path over 4 years ago we spent a ton of money. What we discovered is that you are going to pay for alternative products unless you either learn how to bake yourself or forgo them. Dinners made of veges, fruits, nuts, eggs, meats, and rice gave us plenty of carbs without having to buy into the alternative grain products. > > Ok, first off, I will openly admit that at the moment my diagnosis stands at > " wheat intolerant " based on elimination diet. (Doc doesn't want to do > further testing, so who knows what's really up...) > > I'm on a very limited budget, so this news wasn't entirely welcome. I mean, > yes it is really nice to not have all the physical troubles but boy has this > been a really unwelcome bit of news in the budget department... > > How do you eliminate wheat cheaply or even kind of affordably? To stick in > our grocery budget I've been having to cheat (not good, I know) but even > cooking from scratch almost entirely I'm having a very tough time finding > stuff that doesn't have a bunch of wheat in it. Even our seasoned salt > isn't safe. > > Dee > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 , The author of the article on the website below claims that with the carbohydrate diet, you can "get over" celiac disease in a year. That's a pretty wild statement. I wonder what she backs that up with. I thought you couldn't "get over" celiac disease, that it was hereditary, that there was an actual genetic cause. What is your opinion? Are you "over" celiac after a year on the diet? Gail in Houston -- Re: doing this cheaply... Personally, for an IBS type of diagnosis, I would do the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, which is grain free for something like a year. Here is a link:http://altmedicine.about.com/od/popularhealthdiets/a/specific_carb.htmThis diet is VERY inexpensive.Anyway, when we first went down diet path over 4 years ago we spent a ton of money. What we discovered is that you are going to pay for alternative products unless you either learn how to bake yourself or forgo them. Dinners made of veges, fruits, nuts, eggs, meats, and rice gave us plenty of carbs without having to buy into the alternative grain products.>> Ok, first off, I will openly admit that at the moment my diagnosis stands at> "wheat intolerant" based on elimination diet. (Doc doesn't want to do> further testing, so who knows what's really up...)> > I'm on a very limited budget, so this news wasn't entirely welcome. I mean,> yes it is really nice to not have all the physical troubles but boy has this> been a really unwelcome bit of news in the budget department...> > How do you eliminate wheat cheaply or even kind of affordably? To stick in> our grocery budget I've been having to cheat (not good, I know) but even> cooking from scratch almost entirely I'm having a very tough time finding> stuff that doesn't have a bunch of wheat in it. Even our seasoned salt> isn't safe.> > Dee> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 , The author of the article on the website below claims that with the carbohydrate diet, you can "get over" celiac disease in a year. That's a pretty wild statement. I wonder what she backs that up with. I thought you couldn't "get over" celiac disease, that it was hereditary, that there was an actual genetic cause. What is your opinion? Are you "over" celiac after a year on the diet? Gail in Houston -- Re: doing this cheaply... Personally, for an IBS type of diagnosis, I would do the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, which is grain free for something like a year. Here is a link:http://altmedicine.about.com/od/popularhealthdiets/a/specific_carb.htmThis diet is VERY inexpensive.Anyway, when we first went down diet path over 4 years ago we spent a ton of money. What we discovered is that you are going to pay for alternative products unless you either learn how to bake yourself or forgo them. Dinners made of veges, fruits, nuts, eggs, meats, and rice gave us plenty of carbs without having to buy into the alternative grain products.>> Ok, first off, I will openly admit that at the moment my diagnosis stands at> "wheat intolerant" based on elimination diet. (Doc doesn't want to do> further testing, so who knows what's really up...)> > I'm on a very limited budget, so this news wasn't entirely welcome. I mean,> yes it is really nice to not have all the physical troubles but boy has this> been a really unwelcome bit of news in the budget department...> > How do you eliminate wheat cheaply or even kind of affordably? To stick in> our grocery budget I've been having to cheat (not good, I know) but even> cooking from scratch almost entirely I'm having a very tough time finding> stuff that doesn't have a bunch of wheat in it. Even our seasoned salt> isn't safe.> > Dee> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 , The author of the article on the website below claims that with the carbohydrate diet, you can "get over" celiac disease in a year. That's a pretty wild statement. I wonder what she backs that up with. I thought you couldn't "get over" celiac disease, that it was hereditary, that there was an actual genetic cause. What is your opinion? Are you "over" celiac after a year on the diet? Gail in Houston -- Re: doing this cheaply... Personally, for an IBS type of diagnosis, I would do the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, which is grain free for something like a year. Here is a link:http://altmedicine.about.com/od/popularhealthdiets/a/specific_carb.htmThis diet is VERY inexpensive.Anyway, when we first went down diet path over 4 years ago we spent a ton of money. What we discovered is that you are going to pay for alternative products unless you either learn how to bake yourself or forgo them. Dinners made of veges, fruits, nuts, eggs, meats, and rice gave us plenty of carbs without having to buy into the alternative grain products.>> Ok, first off, I will openly admit that at the moment my diagnosis stands at> "wheat intolerant" based on elimination diet. (Doc doesn't want to do> further testing, so who knows what's really up...)> > I'm on a very limited budget, so this news wasn't entirely welcome. I mean,> yes it is really nice to not have all the physical troubles but boy has this> been a really unwelcome bit of news in the budget department...> > How do you eliminate wheat cheaply or even kind of affordably? To stick in> our grocery budget I've been having to cheat (not good, I know) but even> cooking from scratch almost entirely I'm having a very tough time finding> stuff that doesn't have a bunch of wheat in it. Even our seasoned salt> isn't safe.> > Dee> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 Celiac is a hereditary disease that does not go away, ever. There is no diet, besides the gluten free diet, which helps or changes this fact. In as much as the recommended diet is gluten free, it can help you return to health and have your body heal. But, to me, that recommended diet sounds unecessarily limiting. Considering how much we have to limit our diet, it doesn't make sense to me to limit intake of: Canned vegetables, Canned fruits, unless they are packed in their own juices,potatoes, yams, parsnips, chickpeas, bean sprouts, soybeans, mung beans, fava beans, and seaweed,Processed meats, canned fish, processed cheeses, smoked or canned meat, Milk or dried milk solids, Buttermilk or acidophilus milk, commercially prepared yogurt and sour cream, soymilk,Cornstarch, arrowroot or other starches, chocolate or carob, all products made with refined sugar, agar agar, carrageenan or pectin, ketchup, ice cream, molasses, corn or maple syrup, flours made from legumes, baking powder, medication containing sugar, all seeds. I don't really get why you would need to not consume canned vegetables, POTATOES or chickpeas, canned tuna etc. These are cheap, filling, healthy foods! And if you're trying to be vegetarian, saying no soy and no beans makes absolutely no sense. (and I was fully gluten free and vegetarian for 9 years.) If you are following this diet and happy with it, cool... but I think it is unecessarily limiting for new celiacs (or old like me, haha). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 A dietician will be expensive and won't be able to tell you much (if anything -few have ever studied about gf diets). With his diabetes, you should already be avoiding white flour; now you just add whole wheat too. Brown rice, corn and many other grains are gf (and some much lower in carbs than others - just avoid high starch products). Sweet potoates, white ones, corn bread - there are many cheap starches you can eat. You'll end up making a lot more from scratch and not eating out much (if at all - it's a near guaranteee of contamination, which you want to avoid -- just one mistake a month is enough to prevent full healing). As a result, you'll find you are spending a lot less money (but more time) on food in a short while. Yes, " gf specialty items " can be expensive, but not necessary to the diet. Just as with vegetarian items - beans, corn and rice are cheap, but some boxed meals and restaurants can be quite pricy. And speaking of corn - corn tortillas are not only gf, but lower in glycemi load, so better tolerated by diabetics. Gravy is easy (if bad for diabetes): use sweet brown rice flour (it's higher starch than regular brown, but you can use that also) instead of wheat flour, let boil well and go a few minutes before adding more (it is a little slower to thicken than wheat). As to sticking with it - you have to treat it like cheating on a diabetic diet. Sure, you can, but you'll quickly pay the price in complications (not just symptoms), which can be permanent (and include risk of early death - 10 yrs earlier on average for the undiagnosed or those who don't follow a gf diet). -----Original Message----- Geez, I'm having trouble just getting this mess going. Everything seems to be a problem. Breakfasts, lunches, dinners, snacks. Doesn't help much that both DH and I have diabetes or that he also has to be on a strict diet for weight loss and cholesterol. Seems like if it's not a carrot or a piece of meat then it's probably out of the question on at least one of our lists. Probably doesn't help either that I'm pretty picky about eating meat (and so many of my vegetarian recipes call for things like flour tortillas or bread crumbs). ... Would it be worth the trouble to see about visiting a dietician or nutritionist? I really do want to stick with this (though the makers of certain OTC products for allergies and digestive issues probably wish I'd go back to eating lots of wheat). I feel so much better without wheat, it's just getting really frustrating trying to shop. Dee --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 A dietician will be expensive and won't be able to tell you much (if anything -few have ever studied about gf diets). With his diabetes, you should already be avoiding white flour; now you just add whole wheat too. Brown rice, corn and many other grains are gf (and some much lower in carbs than others - just avoid high starch products). Sweet potoates, white ones, corn bread - there are many cheap starches you can eat. You'll end up making a lot more from scratch and not eating out much (if at all - it's a near guaranteee of contamination, which you want to avoid -- just one mistake a month is enough to prevent full healing). As a result, you'll find you are spending a lot less money (but more time) on food in a short while. Yes, " gf specialty items " can be expensive, but not necessary to the diet. Just as with vegetarian items - beans, corn and rice are cheap, but some boxed meals and restaurants can be quite pricy. And speaking of corn - corn tortillas are not only gf, but lower in glycemi load, so better tolerated by diabetics. Gravy is easy (if bad for diabetes): use sweet brown rice flour (it's higher starch than regular brown, but you can use that also) instead of wheat flour, let boil well and go a few minutes before adding more (it is a little slower to thicken than wheat). As to sticking with it - you have to treat it like cheating on a diabetic diet. Sure, you can, but you'll quickly pay the price in complications (not just symptoms), which can be permanent (and include risk of early death - 10 yrs earlier on average for the undiagnosed or those who don't follow a gf diet). -----Original Message----- Geez, I'm having trouble just getting this mess going. Everything seems to be a problem. Breakfasts, lunches, dinners, snacks. Doesn't help much that both DH and I have diabetes or that he also has to be on a strict diet for weight loss and cholesterol. Seems like if it's not a carrot or a piece of meat then it's probably out of the question on at least one of our lists. Probably doesn't help either that I'm pretty picky about eating meat (and so many of my vegetarian recipes call for things like flour tortillas or bread crumbs). ... Would it be worth the trouble to see about visiting a dietician or nutritionist? I really do want to stick with this (though the makers of certain OTC products for allergies and digestive issues probably wish I'd go back to eating lots of wheat). I feel so much better without wheat, it's just getting really frustrating trying to shop. Dee --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 A dietician will be expensive and won't be able to tell you much (if anything -few have ever studied about gf diets). With his diabetes, you should already be avoiding white flour; now you just add whole wheat too. Brown rice, corn and many other grains are gf (and some much lower in carbs than others - just avoid high starch products). Sweet potoates, white ones, corn bread - there are many cheap starches you can eat. You'll end up making a lot more from scratch and not eating out much (if at all - it's a near guaranteee of contamination, which you want to avoid -- just one mistake a month is enough to prevent full healing). As a result, you'll find you are spending a lot less money (but more time) on food in a short while. Yes, " gf specialty items " can be expensive, but not necessary to the diet. Just as with vegetarian items - beans, corn and rice are cheap, but some boxed meals and restaurants can be quite pricy. And speaking of corn - corn tortillas are not only gf, but lower in glycemi load, so better tolerated by diabetics. Gravy is easy (if bad for diabetes): use sweet brown rice flour (it's higher starch than regular brown, but you can use that also) instead of wheat flour, let boil well and go a few minutes before adding more (it is a little slower to thicken than wheat). As to sticking with it - you have to treat it like cheating on a diabetic diet. Sure, you can, but you'll quickly pay the price in complications (not just symptoms), which can be permanent (and include risk of early death - 10 yrs earlier on average for the undiagnosed or those who don't follow a gf diet). -----Original Message----- Geez, I'm having trouble just getting this mess going. Everything seems to be a problem. Breakfasts, lunches, dinners, snacks. Doesn't help much that both DH and I have diabetes or that he also has to be on a strict diet for weight loss and cholesterol. Seems like if it's not a carrot or a piece of meat then it's probably out of the question on at least one of our lists. Probably doesn't help either that I'm pretty picky about eating meat (and so many of my vegetarian recipes call for things like flour tortillas or bread crumbs). ... Would it be worth the trouble to see about visiting a dietician or nutritionist? I really do want to stick with this (though the makers of certain OTC products for allergies and digestive issues probably wish I'd go back to eating lots of wheat). I feel so much better without wheat, it's just getting really frustrating trying to shop. Dee --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 I don't believe you can get over celiac disease. However, I do think that you can get over a wheat intolerance or other IBS type illnesses with this diet. It is also cheap, which the person seemed to want. > > , > The author of the article on the website below claims that with the > carbohydrate diet, you can " get over " celiac disease in a year. That's a > pretty wild statement. I wonder what she backs that up with. I thought you > couldn't " get over " celiac disease, that it was hereditary, that there was > an actual genetic cause. What is your opinion? Are you " over " celiac after a > year on the diet? > > Gail in Houston > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 I don't believe you can get over celiac disease. However, I do think that you can get over a wheat intolerance or other IBS type illnesses with this diet. It is also cheap, which the person seemed to want. > > , > The author of the article on the website below claims that with the > carbohydrate diet, you can " get over " celiac disease in a year. That's a > pretty wild statement. I wonder what she backs that up with. I thought you > couldn't " get over " celiac disease, that it was hereditary, that there was > an actual genetic cause. What is your opinion? Are you " over " celiac after a > year on the diet? > > Gail in Houston > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 A lot of times those who have IBS are not helped even by a gluten free diet. They have to go further in order to heal themselves. The person to whom I posted this link believed she might have IBS. This is different from celiac disease, but would still be helped by going gluten free. She can be further helped, IF she has IBS, by following the SCD. We did it for 6 months to remove yeast from our son's intestines and to firm up his poops. It worked. We did not look at it as a cure for celiac, and the diet was easy and cheapy, and the foods quite healthy. I disagree with you on what your definition of cheap and healthy foods are, by the way. However, that is neither here nor there. If you bought the book, you would understand the why's behind it. That being said, for simply a celiac disease, this diet is not necessary. > > Celiac is a hereditary disease that does not go away, ever. There is > no diet, besides the gluten free diet, which helps or changes this > fact. In as much as the recommended diet is gluten free, it can help > you return to health and have your body heal. But, to me, that > recommended diet sounds unecessarily limiting. Considering how much > we have to limit our diet, it doesn't make sense to me to limit > intake of: Canned vegetables, Canned fruits, unless they are packed > in their own juices,potatoes, yams, parsnips, chickpeas, bean > sprouts, soybeans, mung beans, fava beans, and seaweed,Processed > meats, canned fish, processed cheeses, smoked or canned meat, Milk > or dried milk solids, Buttermilk or acidophilus milk, commercially > prepared yogurt and sour cream, soymilk,Cornstarch, arrowroot or > other starches, chocolate or carob, all products made with refined > sugar, agar agar, carrageenan or pectin, ketchup, ice cream, > molasses, corn or maple syrup, flours made from legumes, baking > powder, medication containing sugar, all seeds. I don't really get > why you would need to not consume canned vegetables, POTATOES or > chickpeas, canned tuna etc. These are cheap, filling, healthy foods! > And if you're trying to be vegetarian, saying no soy and no beans > makes absolutely no sense. (and I was fully gluten free and > vegetarian for 9 years.) If you are following this diet and happy > with it, cool... but I think it is unecessarily limiting for new > celiacs (or old like me, haha). > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 A lot of times those who have IBS are not helped even by a gluten free diet. They have to go further in order to heal themselves. The person to whom I posted this link believed she might have IBS. This is different from celiac disease, but would still be helped by going gluten free. She can be further helped, IF she has IBS, by following the SCD. We did it for 6 months to remove yeast from our son's intestines and to firm up his poops. It worked. We did not look at it as a cure for celiac, and the diet was easy and cheapy, and the foods quite healthy. I disagree with you on what your definition of cheap and healthy foods are, by the way. However, that is neither here nor there. If you bought the book, you would understand the why's behind it. That being said, for simply a celiac disease, this diet is not necessary. > > Celiac is a hereditary disease that does not go away, ever. There is > no diet, besides the gluten free diet, which helps or changes this > fact. In as much as the recommended diet is gluten free, it can help > you return to health and have your body heal. But, to me, that > recommended diet sounds unecessarily limiting. Considering how much > we have to limit our diet, it doesn't make sense to me to limit > intake of: Canned vegetables, Canned fruits, unless they are packed > in their own juices,potatoes, yams, parsnips, chickpeas, bean > sprouts, soybeans, mung beans, fava beans, and seaweed,Processed > meats, canned fish, processed cheeses, smoked or canned meat, Milk > or dried milk solids, Buttermilk or acidophilus milk, commercially > prepared yogurt and sour cream, soymilk,Cornstarch, arrowroot or > other starches, chocolate or carob, all products made with refined > sugar, agar agar, carrageenan or pectin, ketchup, ice cream, > molasses, corn or maple syrup, flours made from legumes, baking > powder, medication containing sugar, all seeds. I don't really get > why you would need to not consume canned vegetables, POTATOES or > chickpeas, canned tuna etc. These are cheap, filling, healthy foods! > And if you're trying to be vegetarian, saying no soy and no beans > makes absolutely no sense. (and I was fully gluten free and > vegetarian for 9 years.) If you are following this diet and happy > with it, cool... but I think it is unecessarily limiting for new > celiacs (or old like me, haha). > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 A lot of times those who have IBS are not helped even by a gluten free diet. They have to go further in order to heal themselves. The person to whom I posted this link believed she might have IBS. This is different from celiac disease, but would still be helped by going gluten free. She can be further helped, IF she has IBS, by following the SCD. We did it for 6 months to remove yeast from our son's intestines and to firm up his poops. It worked. We did not look at it as a cure for celiac, and the diet was easy and cheapy, and the foods quite healthy. I disagree with you on what your definition of cheap and healthy foods are, by the way. However, that is neither here nor there. If you bought the book, you would understand the why's behind it. That being said, for simply a celiac disease, this diet is not necessary. > > Celiac is a hereditary disease that does not go away, ever. There is > no diet, besides the gluten free diet, which helps or changes this > fact. In as much as the recommended diet is gluten free, it can help > you return to health and have your body heal. But, to me, that > recommended diet sounds unecessarily limiting. Considering how much > we have to limit our diet, it doesn't make sense to me to limit > intake of: Canned vegetables, Canned fruits, unless they are packed > in their own juices,potatoes, yams, parsnips, chickpeas, bean > sprouts, soybeans, mung beans, fava beans, and seaweed,Processed > meats, canned fish, processed cheeses, smoked or canned meat, Milk > or dried milk solids, Buttermilk or acidophilus milk, commercially > prepared yogurt and sour cream, soymilk,Cornstarch, arrowroot or > other starches, chocolate or carob, all products made with refined > sugar, agar agar, carrageenan or pectin, ketchup, ice cream, > molasses, corn or maple syrup, flours made from legumes, baking > powder, medication containing sugar, all seeds. I don't really get > why you would need to not consume canned vegetables, POTATOES or > chickpeas, canned tuna etc. These are cheap, filling, healthy foods! > And if you're trying to be vegetarian, saying no soy and no beans > makes absolutely no sense. (and I was fully gluten free and > vegetarian for 9 years.) If you are following this diet and happy > with it, cool... but I think it is unecessarily limiting for new > celiacs (or old like me, haha). > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 Let me clarify on my first paragraph. Going gluten free can help those who have IBS, but it might not help enough to get them over all their symptoms. > > A lot of times those who have IBS are not helped even by a gluten > free diet. They have to go further in order to heal themselves. The > person to whom I posted this link believed she might have IBS. This > is different from celiac disease, but would still be helped by going > gluten free. She can be further helped, IF she has IBS, by following > the SCD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 Let me clarify on my first paragraph. Going gluten free can help those who have IBS, but it might not help enough to get them over all their symptoms. > > A lot of times those who have IBS are not helped even by a gluten > free diet. They have to go further in order to heal themselves. The > person to whom I posted this link believed she might have IBS. This > is different from celiac disease, but would still be helped by going > gluten free. She can be further helped, IF she has IBS, by following > the SCD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 The only problem is that many who are told they had IBS are never tested for CD. Nor is there any clinical way to distinguish a person that has CD and avoids wheat (due to feeling bad or a low carb/scd diet or cultural differences) or has not had CD long enough to cause damage seen via biopsy vs. those with " just an intolerance " . And some studies of non-intestinal gluten damage show just as serious consequences (but there is no intestinal biopsy until many years later, just as with DH, if ever.) Allergy, of course, is easier to detect and can be outgrown in children. Adult food allergies seldom are outgrown. > -----Original Message-----.. > > > I don't believe you can get over celiac disease. However, I do think > that you can get over a wheat intolerance or other IBS type illnesses > with this diet. It is also cheap, which the person seemed to want. > > --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 The only problem is that many who are told they had IBS are never tested for CD. Nor is there any clinical way to distinguish a person that has CD and avoids wheat (due to feeling bad or a low carb/scd diet or cultural differences) or has not had CD long enough to cause damage seen via biopsy vs. those with " just an intolerance " . And some studies of non-intestinal gluten damage show just as serious consequences (but there is no intestinal biopsy until many years later, just as with DH, if ever.) Allergy, of course, is easier to detect and can be outgrown in children. Adult food allergies seldom are outgrown. > -----Original Message-----.. > > > I don't believe you can get over celiac disease. However, I do think > that you can get over a wheat intolerance or other IBS type illnesses > with this diet. It is also cheap, which the person seemed to want. > > --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 The only problem is that many who are told they had IBS are never tested for CD. Nor is there any clinical way to distinguish a person that has CD and avoids wheat (due to feeling bad or a low carb/scd diet or cultural differences) or has not had CD long enough to cause damage seen via biopsy vs. those with " just an intolerance " . And some studies of non-intestinal gluten damage show just as serious consequences (but there is no intestinal biopsy until many years later, just as with DH, if ever.) Allergy, of course, is easier to detect and can be outgrown in children. Adult food allergies seldom are outgrown. > -----Original Message-----.. > > > I don't believe you can get over celiac disease. However, I do think > that you can get over a wheat intolerance or other IBS type illnesses > with this diet. It is also cheap, which the person seemed to want. > > --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 Agreed. It is why I wish we would have had our children tested prior to doing the diet. It did alleviate their symptoms, and my husband's, and so we belong to that subgroup that are self-diagnosed. When the kids are older we will explain the possibility they have a wheat intolerance versus a gluten intolerance. For now, we have decided to remain gluten-free, even though we have started to use the houston enzymes for casein infractions (raw milk) that are also supposed to break gluten into smaller parts (would be even more harmful if celiac, but supposedly helps with those people having behavioral symptoms related to gluten, as in autism). I do not feel we are harming their lives by having them be gluten- free. I feel in many ways our diet is far more healthy than our peers. We eat vegetables, fruits, Amish meats, nuts, Amish eggs, one glass of raw Amish milk, brown rice, and occasional gfcf bread (Papa's bread from EnerG being our favorite) and mochi. My husband, daughter,and myself eat raw milk cheese. I eat pasteurized full-fat yogurt from Brown Cow. We have occasional exposures to corn. Anyway, the kids are all healthy and energetic and the horrible bowel problems that hurt them are not there. For us, this whole lifestyle change was well worth it, yet..... I do wish I could have the medical diagnosis. I feel like the school would treat me more seriously. It would give me permission to expose them to wheat to see if they outgrew it versus feeling like I am endangering their lives. There are people who have horrible symptoms that are alleviated without gluten yet all tests indicate they have no celiac. These people 'might' benefit from the SCD. Honestly, I am not trying to convert people here to that diet. I belonged to their list awhile back, and some of them are 'out there'. We ourselves did not do it for more than 6 months because we did not want to give up rice for more than that, and we were not trying to cure celiac. We were trying to get rid of yeast issues, and it was very effective for that. In addition, because I had to do so much from scratch, it broke my use of expensive gluten-free products. I discovered my children could eat and thrive off of vegetables, fruits, and meats. I discovered some wonderful nut flour cookies and breads that are unbelievably moist. > > The only problem is that many who are told they had IBS are never tested for > CD. Nor is there any clinical way to distinguish a person that has CD and > avoids wheat (due to feeling bad or a low carb/scd diet or cultural > differences) or has not had CD long enough to cause damage seen via biopsy > vs. those with " just an intolerance " . And some studies of non- intestinal > gluten damage show just as serious consequences (but there is no intestinal > biopsy until many years later, just as with DH, if ever.) > > Allergy, of course, is easier to detect and can be outgrown in children. > Adult food allergies seldom are outgrown. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 Agreed. It is why I wish we would have had our children tested prior to doing the diet. It did alleviate their symptoms, and my husband's, and so we belong to that subgroup that are self-diagnosed. When the kids are older we will explain the possibility they have a wheat intolerance versus a gluten intolerance. For now, we have decided to remain gluten-free, even though we have started to use the houston enzymes for casein infractions (raw milk) that are also supposed to break gluten into smaller parts (would be even more harmful if celiac, but supposedly helps with those people having behavioral symptoms related to gluten, as in autism). I do not feel we are harming their lives by having them be gluten- free. I feel in many ways our diet is far more healthy than our peers. We eat vegetables, fruits, Amish meats, nuts, Amish eggs, one glass of raw Amish milk, brown rice, and occasional gfcf bread (Papa's bread from EnerG being our favorite) and mochi. My husband, daughter,and myself eat raw milk cheese. I eat pasteurized full-fat yogurt from Brown Cow. We have occasional exposures to corn. Anyway, the kids are all healthy and energetic and the horrible bowel problems that hurt them are not there. For us, this whole lifestyle change was well worth it, yet..... I do wish I could have the medical diagnosis. I feel like the school would treat me more seriously. It would give me permission to expose them to wheat to see if they outgrew it versus feeling like I am endangering their lives. There are people who have horrible symptoms that are alleviated without gluten yet all tests indicate they have no celiac. These people 'might' benefit from the SCD. Honestly, I am not trying to convert people here to that diet. I belonged to their list awhile back, and some of them are 'out there'. We ourselves did not do it for more than 6 months because we did not want to give up rice for more than that, and we were not trying to cure celiac. We were trying to get rid of yeast issues, and it was very effective for that. In addition, because I had to do so much from scratch, it broke my use of expensive gluten-free products. I discovered my children could eat and thrive off of vegetables, fruits, and meats. I discovered some wonderful nut flour cookies and breads that are unbelievably moist. > > The only problem is that many who are told they had IBS are never tested for > CD. Nor is there any clinical way to distinguish a person that has CD and > avoids wheat (due to feeling bad or a low carb/scd diet or cultural > differences) or has not had CD long enough to cause damage seen via biopsy > vs. those with " just an intolerance " . And some studies of non- intestinal > gluten damage show just as serious consequences (but there is no intestinal > biopsy until many years later, just as with DH, if ever.) > > Allergy, of course, is easier to detect and can be outgrown in children. > Adult food allergies seldom are outgrown. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 Agreed. It is why I wish we would have had our children tested prior to doing the diet. It did alleviate their symptoms, and my husband's, and so we belong to that subgroup that are self-diagnosed. When the kids are older we will explain the possibility they have a wheat intolerance versus a gluten intolerance. For now, we have decided to remain gluten-free, even though we have started to use the houston enzymes for casein infractions (raw milk) that are also supposed to break gluten into smaller parts (would be even more harmful if celiac, but supposedly helps with those people having behavioral symptoms related to gluten, as in autism). I do not feel we are harming their lives by having them be gluten- free. I feel in many ways our diet is far more healthy than our peers. We eat vegetables, fruits, Amish meats, nuts, Amish eggs, one glass of raw Amish milk, brown rice, and occasional gfcf bread (Papa's bread from EnerG being our favorite) and mochi. My husband, daughter,and myself eat raw milk cheese. I eat pasteurized full-fat yogurt from Brown Cow. We have occasional exposures to corn. Anyway, the kids are all healthy and energetic and the horrible bowel problems that hurt them are not there. For us, this whole lifestyle change was well worth it, yet..... I do wish I could have the medical diagnosis. I feel like the school would treat me more seriously. It would give me permission to expose them to wheat to see if they outgrew it versus feeling like I am endangering their lives. There are people who have horrible symptoms that are alleviated without gluten yet all tests indicate they have no celiac. These people 'might' benefit from the SCD. Honestly, I am not trying to convert people here to that diet. I belonged to their list awhile back, and some of them are 'out there'. We ourselves did not do it for more than 6 months because we did not want to give up rice for more than that, and we were not trying to cure celiac. We were trying to get rid of yeast issues, and it was very effective for that. In addition, because I had to do so much from scratch, it broke my use of expensive gluten-free products. I discovered my children could eat and thrive off of vegetables, fruits, and meats. I discovered some wonderful nut flour cookies and breads that are unbelievably moist. > > The only problem is that many who are told they had IBS are never tested for > CD. Nor is there any clinical way to distinguish a person that has CD and > avoids wheat (due to feeling bad or a low carb/scd diet or cultural > differences) or has not had CD long enough to cause damage seen via biopsy > vs. those with " just an intolerance " . And some studies of non- intestinal > gluten damage show just as serious consequences (but there is no intestinal > biopsy until many years later, just as with DH, if ever.) > > Allergy, of course, is easier to detect and can be outgrown in children. > Adult food allergies seldom are outgrown. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 I highly recommend checking out www.savingdinner.com. Leanne Ely is a registered dietician and has written several books. She does a weekly "menu mailer" which gives you six dinner menus, complete with healthy side dishes and a shopping list. I subscribe to her lo-carb menu and it is very easily converted to GF because she rarely uses starches. It is also designed to be good for diabetics. There are sample menus on her site or you can get one of her books from the library. The menu mailer service is very cheap as well - I just paid $9.95 for three months and I have already saved much more than that on groceries. I just switched over to the "body clutter" menu mailer which also gives you breakfast, lunch and snack ideas to lose weight - still for only $9.95/month. How can you beat that?! I'm not affiliated with this site - just really believe in their product! --Trudy San , CA "People who believe in absurdities will eventually commit atrocities." ~Voltaire -----Original Message-----Geez, I'm having trouble just getting this mess going. Everything seems tobe a problem. Breakfasts, lunches, dinners, snacks. Doesn't help much thatboth DH and I have diabetes or that he also has to be on a strict diet forweight loss and cholesterol. Seems like if it's not a carrot or a piece ofmeat then it's probably out of the question on at least one of our lists.Probably doesn't help either that I'm pretty picky about eating meat (and somany of my vegetarian recipes call for things like flour tortillas or breadcrumbs). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 I highly recommend checking out www.savingdinner.com. Leanne Ely is a registered dietician and has written several books. She does a weekly "menu mailer" which gives you six dinner menus, complete with healthy side dishes and a shopping list. I subscribe to her lo-carb menu and it is very easily converted to GF because she rarely uses starches. It is also designed to be good for diabetics. There are sample menus on her site or you can get one of her books from the library. The menu mailer service is very cheap as well - I just paid $9.95 for three months and I have already saved much more than that on groceries. I just switched over to the "body clutter" menu mailer which also gives you breakfast, lunch and snack ideas to lose weight - still for only $9.95/month. How can you beat that?! I'm not affiliated with this site - just really believe in their product! --Trudy San , CA "People who believe in absurdities will eventually commit atrocities." ~Voltaire -----Original Message-----Geez, I'm having trouble just getting this mess going. Everything seems tobe a problem. Breakfasts, lunches, dinners, snacks. Doesn't help much thatboth DH and I have diabetes or that he also has to be on a strict diet forweight loss and cholesterol. Seems like if it's not a carrot or a piece ofmeat then it's probably out of the question on at least one of our lists.Probably doesn't help either that I'm pretty picky about eating meat (and somany of my vegetarian recipes call for things like flour tortillas or breadcrumbs). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 I highly recommend checking out www.savingdinner.com. Leanne Ely is a registered dietician and has written several books. She does a weekly "menu mailer" which gives you six dinner menus, complete with healthy side dishes and a shopping list. I subscribe to her lo-carb menu and it is very easily converted to GF because she rarely uses starches. It is also designed to be good for diabetics. There are sample menus on her site or you can get one of her books from the library. The menu mailer service is very cheap as well - I just paid $9.95 for three months and I have already saved much more than that on groceries. I just switched over to the "body clutter" menu mailer which also gives you breakfast, lunch and snack ideas to lose weight - still for only $9.95/month. How can you beat that?! I'm not affiliated with this site - just really believe in their product! --Trudy San , CA "People who believe in absurdities will eventually commit atrocities." ~Voltaire -----Original Message-----Geez, I'm having trouble just getting this mess going. Everything seems tobe a problem. Breakfasts, lunches, dinners, snacks. Doesn't help much thatboth DH and I have diabetes or that he also has to be on a strict diet forweight loss and cholesterol. Seems like if it's not a carrot or a piece ofmeat then it's probably out of the question on at least one of our lists.Probably doesn't help either that I'm pretty picky about eating meat (and somany of my vegetarian recipes call for things like flour tortillas or breadcrumbs). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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