Re: Continuing problems: aspartame

[Guest guest]

Terry..I was glad to read this info..I had been worried about my diet Coke

addiction for a long time and have given it up as of about one month ago. My

question to anyone out there is this: I have been trying to add more protein to

my diet..but have never been a meat /eggs/cheese lover so I use protein shakes.

They most often are sweetened with aspartame. Does anyone know of any that may

be sweetened with Splenda or Stevia instead and where I might be able to

purchase them? And are there enough long term studies on these other 2 more

" natural " sweeteners? I want to stay away from sugar as much as possible because

it just leaves me bloated and feeling lousy. Thanks for any help. Am glad to be

free of the diet sodas.

Ruthie

Continuing problems: aspartame

GrandmaK,

Check out this url:

http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/suffer.faq

Terry

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[Guest guest]

Terry..I was glad to read this info..I had been worried about my diet Coke

addiction for a long time and have given it up as of about one month ago. My

question to anyone out there is this: I have been trying to add more protein to

my diet..but have never been a meat /eggs/cheese lover so I use protein shakes.

They most often are sweetened with aspartame. Does anyone know of any that may

be sweetened with Splenda or Stevia instead and where I might be able to

purchase them? And are there enough long term studies on these other 2 more

" natural " sweeteners? I want to stay away from sugar as much as possible because

it just leaves me bloated and feeling lousy. Thanks for any help. Am glad to be

free of the diet sodas.

Ruthie

Continuing problems: aspartame

GrandmaK,

Check out this url:

http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/suffer.faq

Terry

-------------------------------------

The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not

intended to replace expert medical care.

Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

----------------------------------------

DISCLAIMER

Advertisments placed on this yahoo groups list does not have the endorsement

of

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--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\

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[Guest guest]

Hi Ruthie and All,

In my opinion the problem with protein shakes, is that they are all full of

soy, which

affects thyroid function.

All people on synthroid type medications are told not to have any soy within

so many

hours of their meds. For more info on this see About.com. There is a lot of info

there.

Even though I am on anti thyroid medication, I try very hard to avoid all soy,

as my

main goal in all of this is to not go up and down any more than humanly

possible. So even

though it is still not crystal clear in my mind, how truly important this is for

those of

us on ATDs, I figure if it is a big deal for hypos, I am better off without it.

Stevia... I had a little Stevia plant here one summer and used it quite a bit,

so for

me, it doesn't scare me at all. Though I never pay any attention to stuff they

claim is

'natural'. <grin>

If you are still craving sugar, have you ever looked into any of the

Carbohydrate Addict

type diets ? In my continuing quest to improve my health, I have been

experimenting with

this. So far, what I have found, is that as long as I have no sugar or carbs

through the

early part of the day, I have no craving what so ever. During the holidays I was

able to

look at plates of yummy stuff, and felt no desire to sample ! Then my evening

meal is well

balanced, so I am still getting the carbs needed.

This might sound extreme, but I was desperate to feel better....and willing to

try

anything. Within two days, my constant body pain diminished so much I was

shocked ! Then

after awhile, curiosity drove me to some toast and jelly...the pain was back the

whole

next day.

Still experimenting here. But it is something to think about and possibly look

into now

while it is on your mind. I just did a search on Google...low carb diet. Lots of

choices

and theories.

Oh, and good job on the diet soda ! I did that a long time ago, and remember

that it was

hard to do. But you will find, once done, you will never look back. They must

have some

mysterious addictive substance in that stuff.

-Pam- wondering if others here have tried the low carb diets, and is there one

that

worked better...still kind of making mine up as I go. Main reason being, they

all seem to

have recipes etc., with pre made things involved, and I find avoiding ALL MSG

was one of

the first things I did right. MSG is in everything pre made as far as I can

tell. They do

not have to label it. It can say FLAVORINGS and they are covered.

P.S. Ruthie, My original thought was... I found that once I got rid of all

sugar and

carbs in the first 2/3 of the day, I really craved meat , vegetables, green

stuff, cheese

etc. Before I would grab a piece of toast when I was too hungry to think, and

then have to

force myself to eat a healthy meal, as I lost the desire.

Hope you can all make out my ramblings this morning...I am doing a few too many

things at

once, and this is where I am taking my breaks. LOL

[Guest guest]

Hi Ruthie and All,

In my opinion the problem with protein shakes, is that they are all full of

soy, which

affects thyroid function.

All people on synthroid type medications are told not to have any soy within

so many

hours of their meds. For more info on this see About.com. There is a lot of info

there.

Even though I am on anti thyroid medication, I try very hard to avoid all soy,

as my

main goal in all of this is to not go up and down any more than humanly

possible. So even

though it is still not crystal clear in my mind, how truly important this is for

those of

us on ATDs, I figure if it is a big deal for hypos, I am better off without it.

Stevia... I had a little Stevia plant here one summer and used it quite a bit,

so for

me, it doesn't scare me at all. Though I never pay any attention to stuff they

claim is

'natural'. <grin>

If you are still craving sugar, have you ever looked into any of the

Carbohydrate Addict

type diets ? In my continuing quest to improve my health, I have been

experimenting with

this. So far, what I have found, is that as long as I have no sugar or carbs

through the

early part of the day, I have no craving what so ever. During the holidays I was

able to

look at plates of yummy stuff, and felt no desire to sample ! Then my evening

meal is well

balanced, so I am still getting the carbs needed.

This might sound extreme, but I was desperate to feel better....and willing to

try

anything. Within two days, my constant body pain diminished so much I was

shocked ! Then

after awhile, curiosity drove me to some toast and jelly...the pain was back the

whole

next day.

Still experimenting here. But it is something to think about and possibly look

into now

while it is on your mind. I just did a search on Google...low carb diet. Lots of

choices

and theories.

Oh, and good job on the diet soda ! I did that a long time ago, and remember

that it was

hard to do. But you will find, once done, you will never look back. They must

have some

mysterious addictive substance in that stuff.

-Pam- wondering if others here have tried the low carb diets, and is there one

that

worked better...still kind of making mine up as I go. Main reason being, they

all seem to

have recipes etc., with pre made things involved, and I find avoiding ALL MSG

was one of

the first things I did right. MSG is in everything pre made as far as I can

tell. They do

not have to label it. It can say FLAVORINGS and they are covered.

P.S. Ruthie, My original thought was... I found that once I got rid of all

sugar and

carbs in the first 2/3 of the day, I really craved meat , vegetables, green

stuff, cheese

etc. Before I would grab a piece of toast when I was too hungry to think, and

then have to

force myself to eat a healthy meal, as I lost the desire.

Hope you can all make out my ramblings this morning...I am doing a few too many

things at

once, and this is where I am taking my breaks. LOL

[Guest guest]

Hi Ruthie and All,

In my opinion the problem with protein shakes, is that they are all full of

soy, which

affects thyroid function.

All people on synthroid type medications are told not to have any soy within

so many

hours of their meds. For more info on this see About.com. There is a lot of info

there.

Even though I am on anti thyroid medication, I try very hard to avoid all soy,

as my

main goal in all of this is to not go up and down any more than humanly

possible. So even

though it is still not crystal clear in my mind, how truly important this is for

those of

us on ATDs, I figure if it is a big deal for hypos, I am better off without it.

Stevia... I had a little Stevia plant here one summer and used it quite a bit,

so for

me, it doesn't scare me at all. Though I never pay any attention to stuff they

claim is

'natural'. <grin>

If you are still craving sugar, have you ever looked into any of the

Carbohydrate Addict

type diets ? In my continuing quest to improve my health, I have been

experimenting with

this. So far, what I have found, is that as long as I have no sugar or carbs

through the

early part of the day, I have no craving what so ever. During the holidays I was

able to

look at plates of yummy stuff, and felt no desire to sample ! Then my evening

meal is well

balanced, so I am still getting the carbs needed.

This might sound extreme, but I was desperate to feel better....and willing to

try

anything. Within two days, my constant body pain diminished so much I was

shocked ! Then

after awhile, curiosity drove me to some toast and jelly...the pain was back the

whole

next day.

Still experimenting here. But it is something to think about and possibly look

into now

while it is on your mind. I just did a search on Google...low carb diet. Lots of

choices

and theories.

Oh, and good job on the diet soda ! I did that a long time ago, and remember

that it was

hard to do. But you will find, once done, you will never look back. They must

have some

mysterious addictive substance in that stuff.

-Pam- wondering if others here have tried the low carb diets, and is there one

that

worked better...still kind of making mine up as I go. Main reason being, they

all seem to

have recipes etc., with pre made things involved, and I find avoiding ALL MSG

was one of

the first things I did right. MSG is in everything pre made as far as I can

tell. They do

not have to label it. It can say FLAVORINGS and they are covered.

P.S. Ruthie, My original thought was... I found that once I got rid of all

sugar and

carbs in the first 2/3 of the day, I really craved meat , vegetables, green

stuff, cheese

etc. Before I would grab a piece of toast when I was too hungry to think, and

then have to

force myself to eat a healthy meal, as I lost the desire.

Hope you can all make out my ramblings this morning...I am doing a few too many

things at

once, and this is where I am taking my breaks. LOL

[Guest guest]

Ruthie,

It seems to me you need to work on getting your protein in more natural

form. Those shakes are really not good nutrition, leaving out all the

natural vitamins and minerals and the balance of eating " real " food, and

adding a lot of over-processed chemical-laden ingredients and hydrogenated

shortenings, besides the aspartame. If you can read the label and find a

bunch of stuff you can't pronounce and is not in any way related to real

food, you know you've made a mistake!

You can get a great deal of protein from natural vegetarian sources.

Combining legumes and grains, for instance, along with dark leafy

vegetables. If you look at the diet of peoples without our resources, all

over the world, they have figured out ways to naturally eat a balanced diet

with enough protein. In Mexico the combination of tortilla (corn) and beans

form a complete protein. In the Middle East, lentils or fava beans,

vegetables, spices and grains are eaten in a meal.

I have seen firsthand the results of at least a few people who rely on

modern science, rather than nature, for the bulk of their nutrition. They

are simply not healthy, vibrant people. I have also noted that they have

numerous problems related to the leaching of calcium from their teeth, and

suggest that you use your teeth as one gauge of your overall health--if you

start having tooth problems and increased cavities unexpectedly, you can be

sure you are not getting proper nutrition.

Much of my professional time is spent teaching adults how to cook flavorful,

nutritious food--something we've gotten away from in this country. My

classes are packed, they sell out in a matter of hours every time a new

series is announced, so I know that more and more people are getting fed up

(excuse the pun!) with American dietary habits. There is just too much

confusion, guilt, and way too much dietary misinformation and outright junk

food out there.

60 Minutes last night had a piece on Durham's diet industry, where people

come to lose massive amounts of weight--and in the interviews, most of these

people seemed to have no clue how to eat a healthy diet, and were not given

enough information and training in the course of their diets to be

successful after they left the program. They even introduced one woman as

someone who had lost and gained 100's of pounds, over and over again. They

made this seem admirable! It's horrible for ones health, as is the diet this

place advocated (rice and fruit!) for producing weight loss.

I am personally omnivorous, and teach classes that incorporate a moderate

amount of animal protein, rather than vegetarian or vegan classes. I bring

in vegetables from the farmers' market, introduce lots of the foods that get

shoved aside these days, and teach people how to be *moderate*--as the

fanatic health food nut is just as dangerous to his own health (with

repeated guilt trips over the slightest deviation from the ideal leading,

often to binging and secret eating)....I didn't intend to get off into a

rant here (sorry, Dennis !) but you've touched on a subject close to

my heart. The frauds that have been perpetrated on people by the food

industry are awesome, and contribute directly to ill-health. Those protein

shake are one of the most insidious, as they are promoted as healthy food.

Terry

>

> Reply-To: graves_support

> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:15:41 -0600

> To: <graves_support >

> Subject: Re: Continuing problems: aspartame

>

> Terry..I was glad to read this info..I had been worried about my diet Coke

> addiction for a long time and have given it up as of about one month ago. My

> question to anyone out there is this: I have been trying to add more protein

> to my diet..but have never been a meat /eggs/cheese lover so I use protein

> shakes. They most often are sweetened with aspartame. Does anyone know of any

> that may be sweetened with Splenda or Stevia instead and where I might be able

> to purchase them? And are there enough long term studies on these other 2 more

> " natural " sweeteners? I want to stay away from sugar as much as possible

> because it just leaves me bloated and feeling lousy. Thanks for any help. Am

> glad to be free of the diet sodas.

> Ruthie

> Continuing problems: aspartame

>

>

> GrandmaK,

>

> Check out this url:

>

> http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/suffer.faq

>

> Terry

>

> -------------------------------------

> The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not

> intended to replace expert medical care.

> Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

> ----------------------------------------

> DISCLAIMER

>

> Advertisments placed on this yahoo groups list does not have the endorsement

> of

> the listowner. I have no input as to what ads are attached to emails.

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> --------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ruthie,

It seems to me you need to work on getting your protein in more natural

form. Those shakes are really not good nutrition, leaving out all the

natural vitamins and minerals and the balance of eating " real " food, and

adding a lot of over-processed chemical-laden ingredients and hydrogenated

shortenings, besides the aspartame. If you can read the label and find a

bunch of stuff you can't pronounce and is not in any way related to real

food, you know you've made a mistake!

You can get a great deal of protein from natural vegetarian sources.

Combining legumes and grains, for instance, along with dark leafy

vegetables. If you look at the diet of peoples without our resources, all

over the world, they have figured out ways to naturally eat a balanced diet

with enough protein. In Mexico the combination of tortilla (corn) and beans

form a complete protein. In the Middle East, lentils or fava beans,

vegetables, spices and grains are eaten in a meal.

I have seen firsthand the results of at least a few people who rely on

modern science, rather than nature, for the bulk of their nutrition. They

are simply not healthy, vibrant people. I have also noted that they have

numerous problems related to the leaching of calcium from their teeth, and

suggest that you use your teeth as one gauge of your overall health--if you

start having tooth problems and increased cavities unexpectedly, you can be

sure you are not getting proper nutrition.

Much of my professional time is spent teaching adults how to cook flavorful,

nutritious food--something we've gotten away from in this country. My

classes are packed, they sell out in a matter of hours every time a new

series is announced, so I know that more and more people are getting fed up

(excuse the pun!) with American dietary habits. There is just too much

confusion, guilt, and way too much dietary misinformation and outright junk

food out there.

60 Minutes last night had a piece on Durham's diet industry, where people

come to lose massive amounts of weight--and in the interviews, most of these

people seemed to have no clue how to eat a healthy diet, and were not given

enough information and training in the course of their diets to be

successful after they left the program. They even introduced one woman as

someone who had lost and gained 100's of pounds, over and over again. They

made this seem admirable! It's horrible for ones health, as is the diet this

place advocated (rice and fruit!) for producing weight loss.

I am personally omnivorous, and teach classes that incorporate a moderate

amount of animal protein, rather than vegetarian or vegan classes. I bring

in vegetables from the farmers' market, introduce lots of the foods that get

shoved aside these days, and teach people how to be *moderate*--as the

fanatic health food nut is just as dangerous to his own health (with

repeated guilt trips over the slightest deviation from the ideal leading,

often to binging and secret eating)....I didn't intend to get off into a

rant here (sorry, Dennis !) but you've touched on a subject close to

my heart. The frauds that have been perpetrated on people by the food

industry are awesome, and contribute directly to ill-health. Those protein

shake are one of the most insidious, as they are promoted as healthy food.

Terry

>

> Reply-To: graves_support

> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:15:41 -0600

> To: <graves_support >

> Subject: Re: Continuing problems: aspartame

>

> Terry..I was glad to read this info..I had been worried about my diet Coke

> addiction for a long time and have given it up as of about one month ago. My

> question to anyone out there is this: I have been trying to add more protein

> to my diet..but have never been a meat /eggs/cheese lover so I use protein

> shakes. They most often are sweetened with aspartame. Does anyone know of any

> that may be sweetened with Splenda or Stevia instead and where I might be able

> to purchase them? And are there enough long term studies on these other 2 more

> " natural " sweeteners? I want to stay away from sugar as much as possible

> because it just leaves me bloated and feeling lousy. Thanks for any help. Am

> glad to be free of the diet sodas.

> Ruthie

> Continuing problems: aspartame

>

>

> GrandmaK,

>

> Check out this url:

>

> http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/suffer.faq

>

> Terry

>

> -------------------------------------

> The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not

> intended to replace expert medical care.

> Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

> ----------------------------------------

> DISCLAIMER

>

> Advertisments placed on this yahoo groups list does not have the endorsement

> of

> the listowner. I have no input as to what ads are attached to emails.

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> --------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ruthie,

It seems to me you need to work on getting your protein in more natural

form. Those shakes are really not good nutrition, leaving out all the

natural vitamins and minerals and the balance of eating " real " food, and

adding a lot of over-processed chemical-laden ingredients and hydrogenated

shortenings, besides the aspartame. If you can read the label and find a

bunch of stuff you can't pronounce and is not in any way related to real

food, you know you've made a mistake!

You can get a great deal of protein from natural vegetarian sources.

Combining legumes and grains, for instance, along with dark leafy

vegetables. If you look at the diet of peoples without our resources, all

over the world, they have figured out ways to naturally eat a balanced diet

with enough protein. In Mexico the combination of tortilla (corn) and beans

form a complete protein. In the Middle East, lentils or fava beans,

vegetables, spices and grains are eaten in a meal.

I have seen firsthand the results of at least a few people who rely on

modern science, rather than nature, for the bulk of their nutrition. They

are simply not healthy, vibrant people. I have also noted that they have

numerous problems related to the leaching of calcium from their teeth, and

suggest that you use your teeth as one gauge of your overall health--if you

start having tooth problems and increased cavities unexpectedly, you can be

sure you are not getting proper nutrition.

Much of my professional time is spent teaching adults how to cook flavorful,

nutritious food--something we've gotten away from in this country. My

classes are packed, they sell out in a matter of hours every time a new

series is announced, so I know that more and more people are getting fed up

(excuse the pun!) with American dietary habits. There is just too much

confusion, guilt, and way too much dietary misinformation and outright junk

food out there.

60 Minutes last night had a piece on Durham's diet industry, where people

come to lose massive amounts of weight--and in the interviews, most of these

people seemed to have no clue how to eat a healthy diet, and were not given

enough information and training in the course of their diets to be

successful after they left the program. They even introduced one woman as

someone who had lost and gained 100's of pounds, over and over again. They

made this seem admirable! It's horrible for ones health, as is the diet this

place advocated (rice and fruit!) for producing weight loss.

I am personally omnivorous, and teach classes that incorporate a moderate

amount of animal protein, rather than vegetarian or vegan classes. I bring

in vegetables from the farmers' market, introduce lots of the foods that get

shoved aside these days, and teach people how to be *moderate*--as the

fanatic health food nut is just as dangerous to his own health (with

repeated guilt trips over the slightest deviation from the ideal leading,

often to binging and secret eating)....I didn't intend to get off into a

rant here (sorry, Dennis !) but you've touched on a subject close to

my heart. The frauds that have been perpetrated on people by the food

industry are awesome, and contribute directly to ill-health. Those protein

shake are one of the most insidious, as they are promoted as healthy food.

Terry

>

> Reply-To: graves_support

> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:15:41 -0600

> To: <graves_support >

> Subject: Re: Continuing problems: aspartame

>

> Terry..I was glad to read this info..I had been worried about my diet Coke

> addiction for a long time and have given it up as of about one month ago. My

> question to anyone out there is this: I have been trying to add more protein

> to my diet..but have never been a meat /eggs/cheese lover so I use protein

> shakes. They most often are sweetened with aspartame. Does anyone know of any

> that may be sweetened with Splenda or Stevia instead and where I might be able

> to purchase them? And are there enough long term studies on these other 2 more

> " natural " sweeteners? I want to stay away from sugar as much as possible

> because it just leaves me bloated and feeling lousy. Thanks for any help. Am

> glad to be free of the diet sodas.

> Ruthie

> Continuing problems: aspartame

>

>

> GrandmaK,

>

> Check out this url:

>

> http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/suffer.faq

>

> Terry

>

> -------------------------------------

> The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not

> intended to replace expert medical care.

> Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

> ----------------------------------------

> DISCLAIMER

>

> Advertisments placed on this yahoo groups list does not have the endorsement

> of

> the listowner. I have no input as to what ads are attached to emails.

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> --------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Terry,

You seem pretty knowledgeable about food. Maybe you have a few suggestions

that you can pass on to me. I am looking for a snack to eat, after I have

worked out, that will replace lost energy and help repair my worn out body.

I am currently using energy bars, such as the High Protein Power Bar, but,

as you mentioned below, it does not seem like real food. Any ideas ?

Re: Continuing problems: aspartame

Ruthie,

It seems to me you need to work on getting your protein in more natural

form. Those shakes are really not good nutrition, leaving out all the

natural vitamins and minerals and the balance of eating " real " food, and

adding a lot of over-processed chemical-laden ingredients and hydrogenated

shortenings, besides the aspartame. If you can read the label and find a

bunch of stuff you can't pronounce and is not in any way related to real

food, you know you've made a mistake!

You can get a great deal of protein from natural vegetarian sources.

Combining legumes and grains, for instance, along with dark leafy

vegetables. If you look at the diet of peoples without our resources, all

over the world, they have figured out ways to naturally eat a balanced diet

with enough protein. In Mexico the combination of tortilla (corn) and beans

form a complete protein. In the Middle East, lentils or fava beans,

vegetables, spices and grains are eaten in a meal.

...........................

[Guest guest]

Terry,

You seem pretty knowledgeable about food. Maybe you have a few suggestions

that you can pass on to me. I am looking for a snack to eat, after I have

worked out, that will replace lost energy and help repair my worn out body.

I am currently using energy bars, such as the High Protein Power Bar, but,

as you mentioned below, it does not seem like real food. Any ideas ?

Re: Continuing problems: aspartame

Ruthie,

It seems to me you need to work on getting your protein in more natural

form. Those shakes are really not good nutrition, leaving out all the

natural vitamins and minerals and the balance of eating " real " food, and

adding a lot of over-processed chemical-laden ingredients and hydrogenated

shortenings, besides the aspartame. If you can read the label and find a

bunch of stuff you can't pronounce and is not in any way related to real

food, you know you've made a mistake!

You can get a great deal of protein from natural vegetarian sources.

Combining legumes and grains, for instance, along with dark leafy

vegetables. If you look at the diet of peoples without our resources, all

over the world, they have figured out ways to naturally eat a balanced diet

with enough protein. In Mexico the combination of tortilla (corn) and beans

form a complete protein. In the Middle East, lentils or fava beans,

vegetables, spices and grains are eaten in a meal.

...........................

[Guest guest]

Oh how impolite of me... I forgot to say......

Thanks Terry

Take Care, Kate.

Re: Continuing problems: aspartame

Ruthie,

It seems to me you need to work on getting your protein in more natural

form. Those shakes are really not good nutrition, leaving out all the

natural vitamins and minerals and the balance of eating " real " food, and

adding a lot of over-processed chemical-laden ingredients and hydrogenated

shortenings, besides the aspartame. If you can read the label and find a

bunch of stuff you can't pronounce and is not in any way related to real

food, you know you've made a mistake!

You can get a great deal of protein from natural vegetarian sources.

Combining legumes and grains, for instance, along with dark leafy

vegetables. If you look at the diet of peoples without our resources, all

over the world, they have figured out ways to naturally eat a balanced diet

with enough protein. In Mexico the combination of tortilla (corn) and beans

form a complete protein. In the Middle East, lentils or fava beans,

vegetables, spices and grains are eaten in a meal.

............................

[Guest guest]

Oh how impolite of me... I forgot to say......

Thanks Terry

Take Care, Kate.

Re: Continuing problems: aspartame

Ruthie,

It seems to me you need to work on getting your protein in more natural

form. Those shakes are really not good nutrition, leaving out all the

natural vitamins and minerals and the balance of eating " real " food, and

adding a lot of over-processed chemical-laden ingredients and hydrogenated

shortenings, besides the aspartame. If you can read the label and find a

bunch of stuff you can't pronounce and is not in any way related to real

food, you know you've made a mistake!

You can get a great deal of protein from natural vegetarian sources.

Combining legumes and grains, for instance, along with dark leafy

vegetables. If you look at the diet of peoples without our resources, all

over the world, they have figured out ways to naturally eat a balanced diet

with enough protein. In Mexico the combination of tortilla (corn) and beans

form a complete protein. In the Middle East, lentils or fava beans,

vegetables, spices and grains are eaten in a meal.

............................

[Guest guest]

Oh how impolite of me... I forgot to say......

Thanks Terry

Take Care, Kate.

Re: Continuing problems: aspartame

Ruthie,

It seems to me you need to work on getting your protein in more natural

form. Those shakes are really not good nutrition, leaving out all the

natural vitamins and minerals and the balance of eating " real " food, and

adding a lot of over-processed chemical-laden ingredients and hydrogenated

shortenings, besides the aspartame. If you can read the label and find a

bunch of stuff you can't pronounce and is not in any way related to real

food, you know you've made a mistake!

You can get a great deal of protein from natural vegetarian sources.

Combining legumes and grains, for instance, along with dark leafy

vegetables. If you look at the diet of peoples without our resources, all

over the world, they have figured out ways to naturally eat a balanced diet

with enough protein. In Mexico the combination of tortilla (corn) and beans

form a complete protein. In the Middle East, lentils or fava beans,

vegetables, spices and grains are eaten in a meal.

............................

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your response Pam...I must tell you how I have enjoyed your posts

:-) I have not liked the soy shakes much at all and find the whey based ones

much more mild flavored. As for the diets..I have tried them all..including most

recently the Carbohydrate Addicts diet which really does stress eating foods in

as close to their natural state as possible. It allows for one meal a day to

have carbs included and it really did take away the cravings for the most part.

Other benefits were that PMS symptoms seemed much lessened, no heartburn, no

measuring foods...just allowing for one blood sugar rise per day. It worked

moderately well for me and it was not too difficult to stick with...I fell off

the wagon when the kids were home for the summer...then I began having GD

symptoms the next Fall. I read on this list somewhere that there might be a link

between diets that increase or change metabolism and the onset of this disease,

so have been reluctant to go back on it. I had tried Atkins for a week and felt

queasy the whole time...so I thought. " there you go..that's why this diet

works..it makes one nauseous and totally not hungry. " But others I know have

had great success. Another setback of these low carb diets is that you can

become constipated, and at first have withdrawal headaches. Let me know if you

try any of them and whether or not they work for you. Thanks for posting. Maybe

I will try it again for a time and see if I can get back in the swing of it.

Ruthie

Re: Continuing problems: aspartame

Hi Ruthie and All,

In my opinion the problem with protein shakes, is that they are all full of

soy, which

affects thyroid function.

All people on synthroid type medications are told not to have any soy within

so many

hours of their meds. For more info on this see About.com. There is a lot of

info there.

Even though I am on anti thyroid medication, I try very hard to avoid all

soy, as my

main goal in all of this is to not go up and down any more than humanly

possible. So even

though it is still not crystal clear in my mind, how truly important this is

for those of

us on ATDs, I figure if it is a big deal for hypos, I am better off without

it.

Stevia... I had a little Stevia plant here one summer and used it quite a

bit, so for

me, it doesn't scare me at all. Though I never pay any attention to stuff they

claim is

'natural'. <grin>

If you are still craving sugar, have you ever looked into any of the

Carbohydrate Addict

type diets ? In my continuing quest to improve my health, I have been

experimenting with

this. So far, what I have found, is that as long as I have no sugar or carbs

through the

early part of the day, I have no craving what so ever. During the holidays I

was able to

look at plates of yummy stuff, and felt no desire to sample ! Then my evening

meal is well

balanced, so I am still getting the carbs needed.

This might sound extreme, but I was desperate to feel better....and willing

to try

anything. Within two days, my constant body pain diminished so much I was

shocked ! Then

after awhile, curiosity drove me to some toast and jelly...the pain was back

the whole

next day.

Still experimenting here. But it is something to think about and possibly

look into now

while it is on your mind. I just did a search on Google...low carb diet. Lots

of choices

and theories.

Oh, and good job on the diet soda ! I did that a long time ago, and remember

that it was

hard to do. But you will find, once done, you will never look back. They must

have some

mysterious addictive substance in that stuff.

-Pam- wondering if others here have tried the low carb diets, and is there

one that

worked better...still kind of making mine up as I go. Main reason being, they

all seem to

have recipes etc., with pre made things involved, and I find avoiding ALL MSG

was one of

the first things I did right. MSG is in everything pre made as far as I can

tell. They do

not have to label it. It can say FLAVORINGS and they are covered.

P.S. Ruthie, My original thought was... I found that once I got rid of all

sugar and

carbs in the first 2/3 of the day, I really craved meat , vegetables, green

stuff, cheese

etc. Before I would grab a piece of toast when I was too hungry to think, and

then have to

force myself to eat a healthy meal, as I lost the desire.

Hope you can all make out my ramblings this morning...I am doing a few too

many things at

once, and this is where I am taking my breaks. LOL

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your response Pam...I must tell you how I have enjoyed your posts

:-) I have not liked the soy shakes much at all and find the whey based ones

much more mild flavored. As for the diets..I have tried them all..including most

recently the Carbohydrate Addicts diet which really does stress eating foods in

as close to their natural state as possible. It allows for one meal a day to

have carbs included and it really did take away the cravings for the most part.

Other benefits were that PMS symptoms seemed much lessened, no heartburn, no

measuring foods...just allowing for one blood sugar rise per day. It worked

moderately well for me and it was not too difficult to stick with...I fell off

the wagon when the kids were home for the summer...then I began having GD

symptoms the next Fall. I read on this list somewhere that there might be a link

between diets that increase or change metabolism and the onset of this disease,

so have been reluctant to go back on it. I had tried Atkins for a week and felt

queasy the whole time...so I thought. " there you go..that's why this diet

works..it makes one nauseous and totally not hungry. " But others I know have

had great success. Another setback of these low carb diets is that you can

become constipated, and at first have withdrawal headaches. Let me know if you

try any of them and whether or not they work for you. Thanks for posting. Maybe

I will try it again for a time and see if I can get back in the swing of it.

Ruthie

Re: Continuing problems: aspartame

Hi Ruthie and All,

In my opinion the problem with protein shakes, is that they are all full of

soy, which

affects thyroid function.

All people on synthroid type medications are told not to have any soy within

so many

hours of their meds. For more info on this see About.com. There is a lot of

info there.

Even though I am on anti thyroid medication, I try very hard to avoid all

soy, as my

main goal in all of this is to not go up and down any more than humanly

possible. So even

though it is still not crystal clear in my mind, how truly important this is

for those of

us on ATDs, I figure if it is a big deal for hypos, I am better off without

it.

Stevia... I had a little Stevia plant here one summer and used it quite a

bit, so for

me, it doesn't scare me at all. Though I never pay any attention to stuff they

claim is

'natural'. <grin>

If you are still craving sugar, have you ever looked into any of the

Carbohydrate Addict

type diets ? In my continuing quest to improve my health, I have been

experimenting with

this. So far, what I have found, is that as long as I have no sugar or carbs

through the

early part of the day, I have no craving what so ever. During the holidays I

was able to

look at plates of yummy stuff, and felt no desire to sample ! Then my evening

meal is well

balanced, so I am still getting the carbs needed.

This might sound extreme, but I was desperate to feel better....and willing

to try

anything. Within two days, my constant body pain diminished so much I was

shocked ! Then

after awhile, curiosity drove me to some toast and jelly...the pain was back

the whole

next day.

Still experimenting here. But it is something to think about and possibly

look into now

while it is on your mind. I just did a search on Google...low carb diet. Lots

of choices

and theories.

Oh, and good job on the diet soda ! I did that a long time ago, and remember

that it was

hard to do. But you will find, once done, you will never look back. They must

have some

mysterious addictive substance in that stuff.

-Pam- wondering if others here have tried the low carb diets, and is there

one that

worked better...still kind of making mine up as I go. Main reason being, they

all seem to

have recipes etc., with pre made things involved, and I find avoiding ALL MSG

was one of

the first things I did right. MSG is in everything pre made as far as I can

tell. They do

not have to label it. It can say FLAVORINGS and they are covered.

P.S. Ruthie, My original thought was... I found that once I got rid of all

sugar and

carbs in the first 2/3 of the day, I really craved meat , vegetables, green

stuff, cheese

etc. Before I would grab a piece of toast when I was too hungry to think, and

then have to

force myself to eat a healthy meal, as I lost the desire.

Hope you can all make out my ramblings this morning...I am doing a few too

many things at

once, and this is where I am taking my breaks. LOL

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your response Pam...I must tell you how I have enjoyed your posts

:-) I have not liked the soy shakes much at all and find the whey based ones

much more mild flavored. As for the diets..I have tried them all..including most

recently the Carbohydrate Addicts diet which really does stress eating foods in

as close to their natural state as possible. It allows for one meal a day to

have carbs included and it really did take away the cravings for the most part.

Other benefits were that PMS symptoms seemed much lessened, no heartburn, no

measuring foods...just allowing for one blood sugar rise per day. It worked

moderately well for me and it was not too difficult to stick with...I fell off

the wagon when the kids were home for the summer...then I began having GD

symptoms the next Fall. I read on this list somewhere that there might be a link

between diets that increase or change metabolism and the onset of this disease,

so have been reluctant to go back on it. I had tried Atkins for a week and felt

queasy the whole time...so I thought. " there you go..that's why this diet

works..it makes one nauseous and totally not hungry. " But others I know have

had great success. Another setback of these low carb diets is that you can

become constipated, and at first have withdrawal headaches. Let me know if you

try any of them and whether or not they work for you. Thanks for posting. Maybe

I will try it again for a time and see if I can get back in the swing of it.

Ruthie

Re: Continuing problems: aspartame

Hi Ruthie and All,

In my opinion the problem with protein shakes, is that they are all full of

soy, which

affects thyroid function.

All people on synthroid type medications are told not to have any soy within

so many

hours of their meds. For more info on this see About.com. There is a lot of

info there.

Even though I am on anti thyroid medication, I try very hard to avoid all

soy, as my

main goal in all of this is to not go up and down any more than humanly

possible. So even

though it is still not crystal clear in my mind, how truly important this is

for those of

us on ATDs, I figure if it is a big deal for hypos, I am better off without

it.

Stevia... I had a little Stevia plant here one summer and used it quite a

bit, so for

me, it doesn't scare me at all. Though I never pay any attention to stuff they

claim is

'natural'. <grin>

If you are still craving sugar, have you ever looked into any of the

Carbohydrate Addict

type diets ? In my continuing quest to improve my health, I have been

experimenting with

this. So far, what I have found, is that as long as I have no sugar or carbs

through the

early part of the day, I have no craving what so ever. During the holidays I

was able to

look at plates of yummy stuff, and felt no desire to sample ! Then my evening

meal is well

balanced, so I am still getting the carbs needed.

This might sound extreme, but I was desperate to feel better....and willing

to try

anything. Within two days, my constant body pain diminished so much I was

shocked ! Then

after awhile, curiosity drove me to some toast and jelly...the pain was back

the whole

next day.

Still experimenting here. But it is something to think about and possibly

look into now

while it is on your mind. I just did a search on Google...low carb diet. Lots

of choices

and theories.

Oh, and good job on the diet soda ! I did that a long time ago, and remember

that it was

hard to do. But you will find, once done, you will never look back. They must

have some

mysterious addictive substance in that stuff.

-Pam- wondering if others here have tried the low carb diets, and is there

one that

worked better...still kind of making mine up as I go. Main reason being, they

all seem to

have recipes etc., with pre made things involved, and I find avoiding ALL MSG

was one of

the first things I did right. MSG is in everything pre made as far as I can

tell. They do

not have to label it. It can say FLAVORINGS and they are covered.

P.S. Ruthie, My original thought was... I found that once I got rid of all

sugar and

carbs in the first 2/3 of the day, I really craved meat , vegetables, green

stuff, cheese

etc. Before I would grab a piece of toast when I was too hungry to think, and

then have to

force myself to eat a healthy meal, as I lost the desire.

Hope you can all make out my ramblings this morning...I am doing a few too

many things at

once, and this is where I am taking my breaks. LOL

[Guest guest]

Besides aspartame, another excitotoxin that's worth avoiding is monosodium

glutamate. Both of these can play havoc with the brain's neurotransmitter

system and are suspected of triggering MS, Alzheimer's disease, Graves'

disease and several other diseases. Monosodium glutamate is found in

hydrolyzed animal protein, hydrolyzed vegetable protein, sodium caseinate,

Accent and other seasonings, and it's often added to malt extract, bouillon,

broth, Chinese food, etc.

A great book, which should be at most libraries, is Excitotoxins, The Taste

That Kills, by L. Blaylock, M.D., 1994, Health Press.

[Guest guest]

Besides aspartame, another excitotoxin that's worth avoiding is monosodium

glutamate. Both of these can play havoc with the brain's neurotransmitter

system and are suspected of triggering MS, Alzheimer's disease, Graves'

disease and several other diseases. Monosodium glutamate is found in

hydrolyzed animal protein, hydrolyzed vegetable protein, sodium caseinate,

Accent and other seasonings, and it's often added to malt extract, bouillon,

broth, Chinese food, etc.

A great book, which should be at most libraries, is Excitotoxins, The Taste

That Kills, by L. Blaylock, M.D., 1994, Health Press.

[Guest guest]

Besides aspartame, another excitotoxin that's worth avoiding is monosodium

glutamate. Both of these can play havoc with the brain's neurotransmitter

system and are suspected of triggering MS, Alzheimer's disease, Graves'

disease and several other diseases. Monosodium glutamate is found in

hydrolyzed animal protein, hydrolyzed vegetable protein, sodium caseinate,

Accent and other seasonings, and it's often added to malt extract, bouillon,

broth, Chinese food, etc.

A great book, which should be at most libraries, is Excitotoxins, The Taste

That Kills, by L. Blaylock, M.D., 1994, Health Press.

[Guest guest]

One of the simplest is a good trail mix, with nuts and some dried fruit. It

is the power bar without the filler, especially if you can put it together

yourself from good ingredients, to your taste. I've also made my own power

bar type things, mixing nut butter (I'm partial to almond) with chopped

dried fruits and if you like it, some brewers yeast (a little bit goes a

long way!) and then rolling the balls in either chopped up nuts or

unsweetened dry coconut. I hate to say it, but I think a good homemade

oatmeal-raisin-nut cookie is probably as good for you as most of those

bars. Plain yogurt with some fresh fruit and nuts is satisfying as well,

and of course a big glass of good water. Another favorite snack for me is a

good crisp apple and a piece of yummy (as in splurge a little and get

something artisinal, there are so many good ones!) cheese. And, if you

really want to go retro, do you remember ants on a log from your childhood?

Celery sticks with peanut butter and raisins? Just use good peanut butter

(the name brands all have hydrogenated shortening and lots of sugar added).

If you want a protein snack without any carbs, another retro but yummy snack

is a devilled egg. This is making me hungry...

Hope I've given you some things to think about. I bet you can identify a few

favorites you've forgotten, as well.

Terry

>

> Reply-To: graves_support

> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:57:49 -0500

> To: " 'graves_support ' " <graves_support >

> Subject: RE: Continuing problems: aspartame

>

> Terry,

> You seem pretty knowledgeable about food. Maybe you have a few suggestions

> that you can pass on to me. I am looking for a snack to eat, after I have

> worked out, that will replace lost energy and help repair my worn out body.

> I am currently using energy bars, such as the High Protein Power Bar, but,

> as you mentioned below, it does not seem like real food. Any ideas ?

>

> Re: Continuing problems: aspartame

>

>

> Ruthie,

>

> It seems to me you need to work on getting your protein in more natural

> form. Those shakes are really not good nutrition, leaving out all the

> natural vitamins and minerals and the balance of eating " real " food, and

> adding a lot of over-processed chemical-laden ingredients and hydrogenated

> shortenings, besides the aspartame. If you can read the label and find a

> bunch of stuff you can't pronounce and is not in any way related to real

> food, you know you've made a mistake!

>

> You can get a great deal of protein from natural vegetarian sources.

> Combining legumes and grains, for instance, along with dark leafy

> vegetables. If you look at the diet of peoples without our resources, all

> over the world, they have figured out ways to naturally eat a balanced diet

> with enough protein. In Mexico the combination of tortilla (corn) and beans

> form a complete protein. In the Middle East, lentils or fava beans,

> vegetables, spices and grains are eaten in a meal.

> ...........................

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

One of the simplest is a good trail mix, with nuts and some dried fruit. It

is the power bar without the filler, especially if you can put it together

yourself from good ingredients, to your taste. I've also made my own power

bar type things, mixing nut butter (I'm partial to almond) with chopped

dried fruits and if you like it, some brewers yeast (a little bit goes a

long way!) and then rolling the balls in either chopped up nuts or

unsweetened dry coconut. I hate to say it, but I think a good homemade

oatmeal-raisin-nut cookie is probably as good for you as most of those

bars. Plain yogurt with some fresh fruit and nuts is satisfying as well,

and of course a big glass of good water. Another favorite snack for me is a

good crisp apple and a piece of yummy (as in splurge a little and get

something artisinal, there are so many good ones!) cheese. And, if you

really want to go retro, do you remember ants on a log from your childhood?

Celery sticks with peanut butter and raisins? Just use good peanut butter

(the name brands all have hydrogenated shortening and lots of sugar added).

If you want a protein snack without any carbs, another retro but yummy snack

is a devilled egg. This is making me hungry...

Hope I've given you some things to think about. I bet you can identify a few

favorites you've forgotten, as well.

Terry

>

> Reply-To: graves_support

> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:57:49 -0500

> To: " 'graves_support ' " <graves_support >

> Subject: RE: Continuing problems: aspartame

>

> Terry,

> You seem pretty knowledgeable about food. Maybe you have a few suggestions

> that you can pass on to me. I am looking for a snack to eat, after I have

> worked out, that will replace lost energy and help repair my worn out body.

> I am currently using energy bars, such as the High Protein Power Bar, but,

> as you mentioned below, it does not seem like real food. Any ideas ?

>

> Re: Continuing problems: aspartame

>

>

> Ruthie,

>

> It seems to me you need to work on getting your protein in more natural

> form. Those shakes are really not good nutrition, leaving out all the

> natural vitamins and minerals and the balance of eating " real " food, and

> adding a lot of over-processed chemical-laden ingredients and hydrogenated

> shortenings, besides the aspartame. If you can read the label and find a

> bunch of stuff you can't pronounce and is not in any way related to real

> food, you know you've made a mistake!

>

> You can get a great deal of protein from natural vegetarian sources.

> Combining legumes and grains, for instance, along with dark leafy

> vegetables. If you look at the diet of peoples without our resources, all

> over the world, they have figured out ways to naturally eat a balanced diet

> with enough protein. In Mexico the combination of tortilla (corn) and beans

> form a complete protein. In the Middle East, lentils or fava beans,

> vegetables, spices and grains are eaten in a meal.

> ...........................

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

One of the simplest is a good trail mix, with nuts and some dried fruit. It

is the power bar without the filler, especially if you can put it together

yourself from good ingredients, to your taste. I've also made my own power

bar type things, mixing nut butter (I'm partial to almond) with chopped

dried fruits and if you like it, some brewers yeast (a little bit goes a

long way!) and then rolling the balls in either chopped up nuts or

unsweetened dry coconut. I hate to say it, but I think a good homemade

oatmeal-raisin-nut cookie is probably as good for you as most of those

bars. Plain yogurt with some fresh fruit and nuts is satisfying as well,

and of course a big glass of good water. Another favorite snack for me is a

good crisp apple and a piece of yummy (as in splurge a little and get

something artisinal, there are so many good ones!) cheese. And, if you

really want to go retro, do you remember ants on a log from your childhood?

Celery sticks with peanut butter and raisins? Just use good peanut butter

(the name brands all have hydrogenated shortening and lots of sugar added).

If you want a protein snack without any carbs, another retro but yummy snack

is a devilled egg. This is making me hungry...

Hope I've given you some things to think about. I bet you can identify a few

favorites you've forgotten, as well.

Terry

>

> Reply-To: graves_support

> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:57:49 -0500

> To: " 'graves_support ' " <graves_support >

> Subject: RE: Continuing problems: aspartame

>

> Terry,

> You seem pretty knowledgeable about food. Maybe you have a few suggestions

> that you can pass on to me. I am looking for a snack to eat, after I have

> worked out, that will replace lost energy and help repair my worn out body.

> I am currently using energy bars, such as the High Protein Power Bar, but,

> as you mentioned below, it does not seem like real food. Any ideas ?

>

> Re: Continuing problems: aspartame

>

>

> Ruthie,

>

> It seems to me you need to work on getting your protein in more natural

> form. Those shakes are really not good nutrition, leaving out all the

> natural vitamins and minerals and the balance of eating " real " food, and

> adding a lot of over-processed chemical-laden ingredients and hydrogenated

> shortenings, besides the aspartame. If you can read the label and find a

> bunch of stuff you can't pronounce and is not in any way related to real

> food, you know you've made a mistake!

>

> You can get a great deal of protein from natural vegetarian sources.

> Combining legumes and grains, for instance, along with dark leafy

> vegetables. If you look at the diet of peoples without our resources, all

> over the world, they have figured out ways to naturally eat a balanced diet

> with enough protein. In Mexico the combination of tortilla (corn) and beans

> form a complete protein. In the Middle East, lentils or fava beans,

> vegetables, spices and grains are eaten in a meal.

> ...........................

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Terry,

Now that you have made me totally hungry... ;-) Do you use fresh lemon in

your drinking water? I have been doing so for about 18 months now and I

love it. It refreshes my mouth, and it helps a lot with my digestion. I do

not drink soda of any kind except when I am really sick to my stomach, then

some warm pepsi, but very little, just enough to settle it down. (Like the

old coke syrup our mothers used, especially if you heat it to remove the

bubbles.)

You made me laugh with >>>do you remember ants on a log from your childhood?

Celery sticks with peanut butter and raisins? Just use good peanut butter

(the name brands all have hydrogenated shortening and lots of sugar

added).<<<

I still eat celery with peanut butter on it! But not the raisins, haven't

been able to eat raisins since I was about 9/10 and my brother told me they

were rabbit turds and held them up together. Just can't get them into my

mouth LOL. I also eat peanut butter and bananas

>>>If you want a protein snack without any carbs, another retro but yummy

>>>snack is a devilled egg. This is making me hungry...<<<

By protein *snack* I am guessing you mean 1 or 2 little halfs huh? I could

eat a dozen eggs that have been deviled, I absolutely love them. But I do

only eat them at Christmas times, and then in the *little* snack portion.

Since you are sharing so much of your knowledge today, I have a question for

you...for a week now I have been craving celery and carrots and eating them

almost constantly, for lunch and for night time snack. I have been told that

celery is a wasted food and doesn't add anything to your diet...is this

true? Also, a couple of weeks ago I heard a news story but never followed

up on it that the powers that be say beta carotene is bad for you and

instead of preventing some cancers is now the culprit for causing them?

Have you heard this?

Okay, one more question here...your fault, you got me thinking about food

now. When I get cravings I feed them. If they are salt cravings I do the

salt (well I do use uniodized salt sense <33% less sodium>, and eat salty

foods. After a few days this goes away. I have a theory about this, to

throw graves into the mix on this particular craving...I know I still have

some working thyroid and can't help but wonder if it isn't my thyroid

craving the iodine associated with salt that is giving me the

cravings...have been a bit hypo lately and craving salt and when I was

really hypo for a long time I craved it all the time...okay back to

cravings...I also don't eat sweets very often but once in a while I will get

either chocolate cravings (around my cycle time) or cookie/danish cravings

and I really hardly ever eat this stuff. What can you tell me you have

learned about cravings, I have read we are to fight them, and to feed

them...I choose to feed them. What do you say?

I really appreciate your posts on nutrition today, I have learned a lot of

things from you. Thank you for sharing this too!

Jody

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[Guest guest]

Hi Terry,

Now that you have made me totally hungry... ;-) Do you use fresh lemon in

your drinking water? I have been doing so for about 18 months now and I

love it. It refreshes my mouth, and it helps a lot with my digestion. I do

not drink soda of any kind except when I am really sick to my stomach, then

some warm pepsi, but very little, just enough to settle it down. (Like the

old coke syrup our mothers used, especially if you heat it to remove the

bubbles.)

You made me laugh with >>>do you remember ants on a log from your childhood?

Celery sticks with peanut butter and raisins? Just use good peanut butter

(the name brands all have hydrogenated shortening and lots of sugar

added).<<<

I still eat celery with peanut butter on it! But not the raisins, haven't

been able to eat raisins since I was about 9/10 and my brother told me they

were rabbit turds and held them up together. Just can't get them into my

mouth LOL. I also eat peanut butter and bananas

>>>If you want a protein snack without any carbs, another retro but yummy

>>>snack is a devilled egg. This is making me hungry...<<<

By protein *snack* I am guessing you mean 1 or 2 little halfs huh? I could

eat a dozen eggs that have been deviled, I absolutely love them. But I do

only eat them at Christmas times, and then in the *little* snack portion.

Since you are sharing so much of your knowledge today, I have a question for

you...for a week now I have been craving celery and carrots and eating them

almost constantly, for lunch and for night time snack. I have been told that

celery is a wasted food and doesn't add anything to your diet...is this

true? Also, a couple of weeks ago I heard a news story but never followed

up on it that the powers that be say beta carotene is bad for you and

instead of preventing some cancers is now the culprit for causing them?

Have you heard this?

Okay, one more question here...your fault, you got me thinking about food

now. When I get cravings I feed them. If they are salt cravings I do the

salt (well I do use uniodized salt sense <33% less sodium>, and eat salty

foods. After a few days this goes away. I have a theory about this, to

throw graves into the mix on this particular craving...I know I still have

some working thyroid and can't help but wonder if it isn't my thyroid

craving the iodine associated with salt that is giving me the

cravings...have been a bit hypo lately and craving salt and when I was

really hypo for a long time I craved it all the time...okay back to

cravings...I also don't eat sweets very often but once in a while I will get

either chocolate cravings (around my cycle time) or cookie/danish cravings

and I really hardly ever eat this stuff. What can you tell me you have

learned about cravings, I have read we are to fight them, and to feed

them...I choose to feed them. What do you say?

I really appreciate your posts on nutrition today, I have learned a lot of

things from you. Thank you for sharing this too!

Jody

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Hi Terry,

Now that you have made me totally hungry... ;-) Do you use fresh lemon in

your drinking water? I have been doing so for about 18 months now and I

love it. It refreshes my mouth, and it helps a lot with my digestion. I do

not drink soda of any kind except when I am really sick to my stomach, then

some warm pepsi, but very little, just enough to settle it down. (Like the

old coke syrup our mothers used, especially if you heat it to remove the

bubbles.)

You made me laugh with >>>do you remember ants on a log from your childhood?

Celery sticks with peanut butter and raisins? Just use good peanut butter

(the name brands all have hydrogenated shortening and lots of sugar

added).<<<

I still eat celery with peanut butter on it! But not the raisins, haven't

been able to eat raisins since I was about 9/10 and my brother told me they

were rabbit turds and held them up together. Just can't get them into my

mouth LOL. I also eat peanut butter and bananas

>>>If you want a protein snack without any carbs, another retro but yummy

>>>snack is a devilled egg. This is making me hungry...<<<

By protein *snack* I am guessing you mean 1 or 2 little halfs huh? I could

eat a dozen eggs that have been deviled, I absolutely love them. But I do

only eat them at Christmas times, and then in the *little* snack portion.

Since you are sharing so much of your knowledge today, I have a question for

you...for a week now I have been craving celery and carrots and eating them

almost constantly, for lunch and for night time snack. I have been told that

celery is a wasted food and doesn't add anything to your diet...is this

true? Also, a couple of weeks ago I heard a news story but never followed

up on it that the powers that be say beta carotene is bad for you and

instead of preventing some cancers is now the culprit for causing them?

Have you heard this?

Okay, one more question here...your fault, you got me thinking about food

now. When I get cravings I feed them. If they are salt cravings I do the

salt (well I do use uniodized salt sense <33% less sodium>, and eat salty

foods. After a few days this goes away. I have a theory about this, to

throw graves into the mix on this particular craving...I know I still have

some working thyroid and can't help but wonder if it isn't my thyroid

craving the iodine associated with salt that is giving me the

cravings...have been a bit hypo lately and craving salt and when I was

really hypo for a long time I craved it all the time...okay back to

cravings...I also don't eat sweets very often but once in a while I will get

either chocolate cravings (around my cycle time) or cookie/danish cravings

and I really hardly ever eat this stuff. What can you tell me you have

learned about cravings, I have read we are to fight them, and to feed

them...I choose to feed them. What do you say?

I really appreciate your posts on nutrition today, I have learned a lot of

things from you. Thank you for sharing this too!

Jody

_________________________________________________________________

Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.