Re: My first two rounds on DMSA...

[Guest guest]

> By stiffness / pulling, I don't mean bloating, it is a symptom I've

> been having for many years now ( I think it started after my gall

> bladder operation).. i feel something pulling in my abdomen,

> abnormal..I wonder if it has to do with the bile.. or simply some

> intestines irritation.. it does not happen always.. but it did

> reappear in these past days..

Pulling sounds like something mechanical. Perhaps you had adhesions form

after your surgery, which would bind your organs together, and when one

internal organ moves or changes shape, the adhesions tug on other organs.

Lynn

[Guest guest]

> By stiffness / pulling, I don't mean bloating, it is a symptom I've

> been having for many years now ( I think it started after my gall

> bladder operation).. i feel something pulling in my abdomen,

> abnormal..I wonder if it has to do with the bile.. or simply some

> intestines irritation.. it does not happen always.. but it did

> reappear in these past days..

Pulling sounds like something mechanical. Perhaps you had adhesions form

after your surgery, which would bind your organs together, and when one

internal organ moves or changes shape, the adhesions tug on other organs.

Lynn

[Guest guest]

> By stiffness / pulling, I don't mean bloating, it is a symptom I've

> been having for many years now ( I think it started after my gall

> bladder operation).. i feel something pulling in my abdomen,

> abnormal..I wonder if it has to do with the bile.. or simply some

> intestines irritation.. it does not happen always.. but it did

> reappear in these past days..

Pulling sounds like something mechanical. Perhaps you had adhesions form

after your surgery, which would bind your organs together, and when one

internal organ moves or changes shape, the adhesions tug on other organs.

Lynn

[Guest guest]

>

> yes, I have the book 'Amalgam Illness' .. which page should I check

> for that particular subject? Thanks again,

>

> Michel in Quebec

>

I don't have a page number for you Michel, sorry.

[Guest guest]

>

> yes, I have the book 'Amalgam Illness' .. which page should I check

> for that particular subject? Thanks again,

>

> Michel in Quebec

>

I don't have a page number for you Michel, sorry.

[Guest guest]

>

> yes, I have the book 'Amalgam Illness' .. which page should I check

> for that particular subject? Thanks again,

>

> Michel in Quebec

>

I don't have a page number for you Michel, sorry.

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi ,

>

> Thanks for your comments and encouragement.. I am going to wait a few

> days before starting another round.. Actually it seems like something

> was stirred up.. for the last 3 days, besides the gases problem and

> digestive irritation(it looks like a mild intestinal flu), some old

> symptoms have come up again, some kind of stiffness in the abdomen

> area, it is like something is pulling in the liver / intestines area...

>

> I had my gallbladder removed 9 years ago.. I don't know if this has

> something to do with it..

>

i found a post from andy that may help you to figure out how to

chelate safely without a gall bladder. it would be nice in this

situation to be able to consult with andy or with one of the

practitioners he works with.

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/83873.html

> I feel the two rounds on DMSA have stirred something...

>

> could somebody please answer this question: can chelation with DMSA

> aggravate existing symptoms?

yes.

my existing symptoms were aggravated so much at the end of chelation

rounds that i decided to chelate with dmps and chelate continuously.

by chelating continuously i never have end of round symptoms. it's a

party.

if symptoms are difficult to cope with then the dose of chelator is

likely too high. support supplements, and medications for those who

need them, help to alleviate symptoms.

good luck

linda j

Thanks..

>

> Have a good day,

>

> Michel

>

>

> >

> > i don't know about this symptom, except that i hear parents on the

> > autism group complain about it. perhaps someone else will comment.

> >

>

> > wait and see if anyone has anything to say.

> >

> > glad to hear that you are chelating safely.

> >

> > best wishes

> >

> > linda j

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi ,

>

> Thanks for your comments and encouragement.. I am going to wait a few

> days before starting another round.. Actually it seems like something

> was stirred up.. for the last 3 days, besides the gases problem and

> digestive irritation(it looks like a mild intestinal flu), some old

> symptoms have come up again, some kind of stiffness in the abdomen

> area, it is like something is pulling in the liver / intestines area...

>

> I had my gallbladder removed 9 years ago.. I don't know if this has

> something to do with it..

>

i found a post from andy that may help you to figure out how to

chelate safely without a gall bladder. it would be nice in this

situation to be able to consult with andy or with one of the

practitioners he works with.

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/83873.html

> I feel the two rounds on DMSA have stirred something...

>

> could somebody please answer this question: can chelation with DMSA

> aggravate existing symptoms?

yes.

my existing symptoms were aggravated so much at the end of chelation

rounds that i decided to chelate with dmps and chelate continuously.

by chelating continuously i never have end of round symptoms. it's a

party.

if symptoms are difficult to cope with then the dose of chelator is

likely too high. support supplements, and medications for those who

need them, help to alleviate symptoms.

good luck

linda j

Thanks..

>

> Have a good day,

>

> Michel

>

>

> >

> > i don't know about this symptom, except that i hear parents on the

> > autism group complain about it. perhaps someone else will comment.

> >

>

> > wait and see if anyone has anything to say.

> >

> > glad to hear that you are chelating safely.

> >

> > best wishes

> >

> > linda j

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

No, I don't have a white coating on my tongue, neither an unusual

redness.. it is a light feeling of burning / irritation in my

digestive system.. (beginning with my mouth). Also, out of curiousity

I did this morning the saliva test with a glass of water, and again..

it shows no indication at all of yeast/candida infection..

Following your advice I researched the web about candida/yeast

symptoms... and it is hard for me to tell.. I have some of them..ie..

some slight fungus infection in my toes, fatigue, bloating... I did

take antibiotics when I was kid or teen ager.. but not in the last 15

years.. etc.. so it is hard to tell...

The grapefruit extract I am taking now.. may be helping.. as I feel

much better today.. almost normal.. with still the slight digestive

irritation.. that's all...

I wish I got your answer before I went to buy my supplements

yesterday.. I bought a lot.. but didn't know about the anti-fungal

you suggest... (caprylic acid).. but I guess I can still get it this

week..

In my google search, I found some websites prasing a product

called 'ThreeLac' as being the ultimate remedy for Candida !! what do

you think of it? Do you know something about it? Thanks..

As for stopping all fruits, it is going to be hard for me.. at least

I stopped bananas today! LOL...

Michel

>

> --- In frequent-dose-chelation , " mamike84 "

>>

> Do you have a white coating on your tongue? Or unusual redness?

> If you can get liquid probiotics, you might try swishing it around

> in your mouth before swallowing. If the problem is bacteria or

> yeast, that would help.

>

>

>

> Did you feel any reaction to the grapefruit seed extract (GSE)?

> GSE is both antifungal and antibacterial. It will also kill the

> good bacteria. I try to avoid it for that reason, though I have

> found it very effective at times.

>

> I like caprylic acid on a regular basis. Coconut oil contains

> caprylic acid, so you can try that as well. Tanalbit, oil of

> oregano, rx antifungals, and there are others. Different things

> work better, or are more tolerable for different people.

>

>

>

>

> I managed dysbiosis (yeast/bacteria) with diet and probiotics

> for several years before I started chelating. When I started

> chelation, I needed to use antifungals again.

>

> I think oil of oregano probably works for bacteria, not sure

> about caprylic acid. GSE is often effective for bacteria.

> I'm sure there are others, but don't remember.

>

>

> It seems likely that has something to do with the bile flow.

> I don't know much about this, but I assume without a gall bladder

> that bile dumps directly into the intestines instead of being

> stored in the gall bladder.

>

> It is nice to get that internal sense that something is really

> happening!

>

> --

> > You may have to try some things (or possibly do some testing)

> > > to see what is going on. First you need more information.

> > > Google search will find more - try searching on " candida yeast

> > > symptoms " and see if that sounds like you.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Taking DMSA (or any chelator) can definitely aggravate

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

No, I don't have a white coating on my tongue, neither an unusual

redness.. it is a light feeling of burning / irritation in my

digestive system.. (beginning with my mouth). Also, out of curiousity

I did this morning the saliva test with a glass of water, and again..

it shows no indication at all of yeast/candida infection..

Following your advice I researched the web about candida/yeast

symptoms... and it is hard for me to tell.. I have some of them..ie..

some slight fungus infection in my toes, fatigue, bloating... I did

take antibiotics when I was kid or teen ager.. but not in the last 15

years.. etc.. so it is hard to tell...

The grapefruit extract I am taking now.. may be helping.. as I feel

much better today.. almost normal.. with still the slight digestive

irritation.. that's all...

I wish I got your answer before I went to buy my supplements

yesterday.. I bought a lot.. but didn't know about the anti-fungal

you suggest... (caprylic acid).. but I guess I can still get it this

week..

In my google search, I found some websites prasing a product

called 'ThreeLac' as being the ultimate remedy for Candida !! what do

you think of it? Do you know something about it? Thanks..

As for stopping all fruits, it is going to be hard for me.. at least

I stopped bananas today! LOL...

Michel

>

> --- In frequent-dose-chelation , " mamike84 "

>>

> Do you have a white coating on your tongue? Or unusual redness?

> If you can get liquid probiotics, you might try swishing it around

> in your mouth before swallowing. If the problem is bacteria or

> yeast, that would help.

>

>

>

> Did you feel any reaction to the grapefruit seed extract (GSE)?

> GSE is both antifungal and antibacterial. It will also kill the

> good bacteria. I try to avoid it for that reason, though I have

> found it very effective at times.

>

> I like caprylic acid on a regular basis. Coconut oil contains

> caprylic acid, so you can try that as well. Tanalbit, oil of

> oregano, rx antifungals, and there are others. Different things

> work better, or are more tolerable for different people.

>

>

>

>

> I managed dysbiosis (yeast/bacteria) with diet and probiotics

> for several years before I started chelating. When I started

> chelation, I needed to use antifungals again.

>

> I think oil of oregano probably works for bacteria, not sure

> about caprylic acid. GSE is often effective for bacteria.

> I'm sure there are others, but don't remember.

>

>

> It seems likely that has something to do with the bile flow.

> I don't know much about this, but I assume without a gall bladder

> that bile dumps directly into the intestines instead of being

> stored in the gall bladder.

>

> It is nice to get that internal sense that something is really

> happening!

>

> --

> > You may have to try some things (or possibly do some testing)

> > > to see what is going on. First you need more information.

> > > Google search will find more - try searching on " candida yeast

> > > symptoms " and see if that sounds like you.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Taking DMSA (or any chelator) can definitely aggravate

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

No, I don't have a white coating on my tongue, neither an unusual

redness.. it is a light feeling of burning / irritation in my

digestive system.. (beginning with my mouth). Also, out of curiousity

I did this morning the saliva test with a glass of water, and again..

it shows no indication at all of yeast/candida infection..

Following your advice I researched the web about candida/yeast

symptoms... and it is hard for me to tell.. I have some of them..ie..

some slight fungus infection in my toes, fatigue, bloating... I did

take antibiotics when I was kid or teen ager.. but not in the last 15

years.. etc.. so it is hard to tell...

The grapefruit extract I am taking now.. may be helping.. as I feel

much better today.. almost normal.. with still the slight digestive

irritation.. that's all...

I wish I got your answer before I went to buy my supplements

yesterday.. I bought a lot.. but didn't know about the anti-fungal

you suggest... (caprylic acid).. but I guess I can still get it this

week..

In my google search, I found some websites prasing a product

called 'ThreeLac' as being the ultimate remedy for Candida !! what do

you think of it? Do you know something about it? Thanks..

As for stopping all fruits, it is going to be hard for me.. at least

I stopped bananas today! LOL...

Michel

>

> --- In frequent-dose-chelation , " mamike84 "

>>

> Do you have a white coating on your tongue? Or unusual redness?

> If you can get liquid probiotics, you might try swishing it around

> in your mouth before swallowing. If the problem is bacteria or

> yeast, that would help.

>

>

>

> Did you feel any reaction to the grapefruit seed extract (GSE)?

> GSE is both antifungal and antibacterial. It will also kill the

> good bacteria. I try to avoid it for that reason, though I have

> found it very effective at times.

>

> I like caprylic acid on a regular basis. Coconut oil contains

> caprylic acid, so you can try that as well. Tanalbit, oil of

> oregano, rx antifungals, and there are others. Different things

> work better, or are more tolerable for different people.

>

>

>

>

> I managed dysbiosis (yeast/bacteria) with diet and probiotics

> for several years before I started chelating. When I started

> chelation, I needed to use antifungals again.

>

> I think oil of oregano probably works for bacteria, not sure

> about caprylic acid. GSE is often effective for bacteria.

> I'm sure there are others, but don't remember.

>

>

> It seems likely that has something to do with the bile flow.

> I don't know much about this, but I assume without a gall bladder

> that bile dumps directly into the intestines instead of being

> stored in the gall bladder.

>

> It is nice to get that internal sense that something is really

> happening!

>

> --

> > You may have to try some things (or possibly do some testing)

> > > to see what is going on. First you need more information.

> > > Google search will find more - try searching on " candida yeast

> > > symptoms " and see if that sounds like you.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Taking DMSA (or any chelator) can definitely aggravate

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thanks again for your kind help. I am going to try and write to Andy

and see if he answers, about chelating without a gall bladder..

I am already taking lecithin and taurine.. I have a question though I

am taking one tablet of taurine (500 mg) a day.. is this enough or

should i take more?

Have a good day,

Michel

>

> i found a post from andy that may help you to figure out how to

> chelate safely without a gall bladder. it would be nice in this

> situation to be able to consult with andy or with one of the

> practitioners he works with.

>

>

> http://onibasu.com/archives/am/83873.html

>

>

>

> yes.

>

> my existing symptoms were aggravated so much at the end of chelation

> rounds that i decided to chelate with dmps and chelate continuously.

>

> by chelating continuously i never have end of round symptoms. it's

a

> party.

>

> if symptoms are difficult to cope with then the dose of chelator is

> likely too high. support supplements, and medications for those who

> need them, help to alleviate symptoms.

>

> good luck

>

> linda j

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thanks again for your kind help. I am going to try and write to Andy

and see if he answers, about chelating without a gall bladder..

I am already taking lecithin and taurine.. I have a question though I

am taking one tablet of taurine (500 mg) a day.. is this enough or

should i take more?

Have a good day,

Michel

>

> i found a post from andy that may help you to figure out how to

> chelate safely without a gall bladder. it would be nice in this

> situation to be able to consult with andy or with one of the

> practitioners he works with.

>

>

> http://onibasu.com/archives/am/83873.html

>

>

>

> yes.

>

> my existing symptoms were aggravated so much at the end of chelation

> rounds that i decided to chelate with dmps and chelate continuously.

>

> by chelating continuously i never have end of round symptoms. it's

a

> party.

>

> if symptoms are difficult to cope with then the dose of chelator is

> likely too high. support supplements, and medications for those who

> need them, help to alleviate symptoms.

>

> good luck

>

> linda j

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thanks for your clarification. You sound very knowledgeable in this

field..you are right I feel it is definitely a possibility..

About tightness in the abdomen being a classic symptom of yeast

overgrowth, where can I find details about this particular point. In

my case this 'tightness' becomes very serious after my main meal..

and I have to lay down sometimes..for a few minutes and then I am

ok.. So, you might be right, it might be due to yeast overgrowth.. Is

there a way to figure it out more accurately?

Have a good day,

Michel

>

> Michel, there shouldn't be *any* yeast in your blood. The fact that

> there is some shows it is an issue.

>

> You mentioned tightness of the abdomen - this is a classic sign of

> yeast overgrowth (rather than liver,kidney issues)

>

> > she told me according to the test that the

> > oxidative stress is my major issue !!

>

> Actually oxidative stress is all our major issue. Both mercury and

> yeast cause an enourmous amount of oxidative stress. Thats why the

> constant emphasis on things like Vit C, Vit E and the good

minerals -

> Mag, Zinc, selenium etc.

>

> .

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Lynn for your thought.. it could be a possibility.. only God

knows at this point.. LOL... I had a liver test a couple of months ago

at the hospital.. it is called " échographie " (in French) sorry I don't

know the word in English.. and the doc found my liver to be normal..

Michel

> Pulling sounds like something mechanical. Perhaps you had adhesions

form

> after your surgery, which would bind your organs together, and when

one

> internal organ moves or changes shape, the adhesions tug on other

organs.

>

> Lynn

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Lynn for your thought.. it could be a possibility.. only God

knows at this point.. LOL... I had a liver test a couple of months ago

at the hospital.. it is called " échographie " (in French) sorry I don't

know the word in English.. and the doc found my liver to be normal..

Michel

> Pulling sounds like something mechanical. Perhaps you had adhesions

form

> after your surgery, which would bind your organs together, and when

one

> internal organ moves or changes shape, the adhesions tug on other

organs.

>

> Lynn

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Lynn for your thought.. it could be a possibility.. only God

knows at this point.. LOL... I had a liver test a couple of months ago

at the hospital.. it is called " échographie " (in French) sorry I don't

know the word in English.. and the doc found my liver to be normal..

Michel

> Pulling sounds like something mechanical. Perhaps you had adhesions

form

> after your surgery, which would bind your organs together, and when

one

> internal organ moves or changes shape, the adhesions tug on other

organs.

>

> Lynn

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > --- In frequent-dose-chelation , " mamike84 "

> >>

> > Do you have a white coating on your tongue? Or unusual redness?

> > If you can get liquid probiotics, you might try swishing it around

> > in your mouth before swallowing. If the problem is bacteria or

> > yeast, that would help.

> >

> >

> >

> > Did you feel any reaction to the grapefruit seed extract (GSE)?

> > GSE is both antifungal and antibacterial. It will also kill the

> > good bacteria. I try to avoid it for that reason, though I have

> > found it very effective at times.

> >

> > I like caprylic acid on a regular basis. Coconut oil contains

> > caprylic acid, so you can try that as well. Tanalbit, oil of

> > oregano, rx antifungals, and there are others. Different things

> > work better, or are more tolerable for different people.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I managed dysbiosis (yeast/bacteria) with diet and probiotics

> > for several years before I started chelating. When I started

> > chelation, I needed to use antifungals again.

> >

> > I think oil of oregano probably works for bacteria, not sure

> > about caprylic acid. GSE is often effective for bacteria.

> > I'm sure there are others, but don't remember.

> >

> >

> > It seems likely that has something to do with the bile flow.

> > I don't know much about this, but I assume without a gall bladder

> > that bile dumps directly into the intestines instead of being

> > stored in the gall bladder.

> >

> > It is nice to get that internal sense that something is really

> > happening!

> >

> > --

> > > You may have to try some things (or possibly do some testing)

> > > > to see what is going on. First you need more information.

> > > > Google search will find more - try searching on " candida yeast

> > > > symptoms " and see if that sounds like you.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Taking DMSA (or any chelator) can definitely aggravate

>

[Guest guest]

Here's one web site of many that talks about adhesions:

http://www.emedicinehealth.com/adhesions_general_and_after_surgery/article_em.ht\

m

Ask your doctor how he would know if you had adhesions.

Lynn

>Thanks Lynn for your thought.. it could be a possibility.. only God

knows at this point.. LOL... I had a liver test a couple of months ago

at the hospital.. it is called " échographie " (in French) sorry I don't

know the word in English.. and the doc found my liver to be normal..

Michel

> Pulling sounds like something mechanical. Perhaps you had adhesions

form

> after your surgery, which would bind your organs together, and when

one

> internal organ moves or changes shape, the adhesions tug on other

organs.

>

> Lynn

>

[Guest guest]

Hey guys,

Just my opinion, but Primal Defense is not that good of a product. The

BEST probiotic BY FAR is Dr. Ohhira's Probiotics Plus. It takes 5 years to

make and is pretty special.

Bill

[Guest guest]

Hey guys,

Just my opinion, but Primal Defense is not that good of a product. The

BEST probiotic BY FAR is Dr. Ohhira's Probiotics Plus. It takes 5 years to

make and is pretty special.

Bill

[Guest guest]

Hey guys,

Just my opinion, but Primal Defense is not that good of a product. The

BEST probiotic BY FAR is Dr. Ohhira's Probiotics Plus. It takes 5 years to

make and is pretty special.

Bill

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I would like to ask you if your GI discomfort in your first few

rounds on DMSA subsided at some point by themselves.. or did you cope

with the issue with some specific supplements?

About my yeast protocol... I don't know exactly.. I know that when I

did my live blood test the practitioner told me there is some yeast

in the blood but it is not very much...

Have a good day,

Michel

>

> Hi Michel,

>

> I had quite a bit of bloating and GI discomfort (gurgling, gas

pains) on my first few rounds

> of DMSA only. What is your yeast protocol like?

>

> And yes, my understanding is that chelation can exaberate

symptoms. Do you have a

> copy of " Amalgam Illness " ?

>

> in Illinois, kids & I just finished round 26.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I would like to ask you if your GI discomfort in your first few

rounds on DMSA subsided at some point by themselves.. or did you cope

with the issue with some specific supplements?

About my yeast protocol... I don't know exactly.. I know that when I

did my live blood test the practitioner told me there is some yeast

in the blood but it is not very much...

Have a good day,

Michel

>

> Hi Michel,

>

> I had quite a bit of bloating and GI discomfort (gurgling, gas

pains) on my first few rounds

> of DMSA only. What is your yeast protocol like?

>

> And yes, my understanding is that chelation can exaberate

symptoms. Do you have a

> copy of " Amalgam Illness " ?

>

> in Illinois, kids & I just finished round 26.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I would like to ask you if your GI discomfort in your first few

rounds on DMSA subsided at some point by themselves.. or did you cope

with the issue with some specific supplements?

About my yeast protocol... I don't know exactly.. I know that when I

did my live blood test the practitioner told me there is some yeast

in the blood but it is not very much...

Have a good day,

Michel

>

> Hi Michel,

>

> I had quite a bit of bloating and GI discomfort (gurgling, gas

pains) on my first few rounds

> of DMSA only. What is your yeast protocol like?

>

> And yes, my understanding is that chelation can exaberate

symptoms. Do you have a

> copy of " Amalgam Illness " ?

>

> in Illinois, kids & I just finished round 26.

>