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In a message dated 2/5/01 2:48:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, dixie@...

writes:

<< Obviously, this person knows absolutely nothing of history. though he raves

against communism, he does not know the difference between communism and

socialism, and does not realize that some of the world's most democratic

governments are also its most socialistic. Communism is not the opposite of

democracy. It appears this person slept through history and government in

high school and didn't go to college altogether.

Dixie, w ho has a double major in government and history, University of >>

Yes and I have learned from your commentary Dixie. Piper.

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In a message dated 2/5/01 9:22:59 AM Pacific Standard Time,

malgeo@... writes:

<< f you honestly believe that the novel is Nazilike, then produce

a quote from it which favors either socialism or white racial

supremacy.

>>

Honestly, I see her as more of a cartoon-like character exaggerating the

extremes of some arch-conservative political ideologies, but no one i would

certainly contemplate as a serious philosopher or commuter of wisdom in any

sense. I thought she had faded from the scene long ago. Strange, what sticks

in my mind most was her overwhelming need for being sexually taken by the

highest of the high ubermensche around, I know I have a lot of Galt in

saying that. ahem. Piper...

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In a message dated 2/5/01 9:22:59 AM Pacific Standard Time,

malgeo@... writes:

<< f you honestly believe that the novel is Nazilike, then produce

a quote from it which favors either socialism or white racial

supremacy.

>>

Honestly, I see her as more of a cartoon-like character exaggerating the

extremes of some arch-conservative political ideologies, but no one i would

certainly contemplate as a serious philosopher or commuter of wisdom in any

sense. I thought she had faded from the scene long ago. Strange, what sticks

in my mind most was her overwhelming need for being sexually taken by the

highest of the high ubermensche around, I know I have a lot of Galt in

saying that. ahem. Piper...

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In a message dated 2/5/01 9:25:29 AM Pacific Standard Time,

malgeo@... writes:

<< How arrogant. Do you really believe that anyone who disagrees

with you is uninformed and unthinking? >>

I have my failings. Sometimes one of them is arrogance. I have my

opinions about what i think is uninformed and unthinking. What can I do but

state them and you can disagree with me.

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In a message dated 2/5/01 9:25:29 AM Pacific Standard Time,

malgeo@... writes:

<< How arrogant. Do you really believe that anyone who disagrees

with you is uninformed and unthinking? >>

I have my failings. Sometimes one of them is arrogance. I have my

opinions about what i think is uninformed and unthinking. What can I do but

state them and you can disagree with me.

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><< distinguishable? Why are you playing this game of bullshit now? You are

> right (wow that was quite a deduction Petos) there are so many of you, that

> the truth is seldom heard and only the communist bullshit of the folks like

> you that permeates, the air, the radio waves, TV and print. Your view is

> prevailing of course, this is why I complain because communism is

> prevailing. In pure democracy there is no other destiny besides pure

> communism, and with that destiny only comes war, when those who support

> those who steal become fed up and revolt. That will happen, it always does.

> Steal from the rich to feed the poor til there are no rich no more... but

> the rich see that coming and do something about it, like kill a bunch of

> pests, little leeches, the thieves that steal their money. You just don't

> get that. People don't like to be robbed. It is not right to be robbed. I

> guess if you'd ever had anything you would know that.

> >>

> IGNORE

I believe the proper command is something like /kill --- thereby sending

all future messages from this raving lunatic to the trash without having to

read them.

Obviously, this person knows absolutely nothing of history. though he raves

against communism, he does not know the difference between communism and

socialism, and does not realize that some of the world's most democratic

governments are also its most socialistic. Communism is not the opposite of

democracy. It appears this person slept through history and government in

high school and didn't go to college altogether.

Dixie, w ho has a double major in government and history, University of

Texas 1993

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><< distinguishable? Why are you playing this game of bullshit now? You are

> right (wow that was quite a deduction Petos) there are so many of you, that

> the truth is seldom heard and only the communist bullshit of the folks like

> you that permeates, the air, the radio waves, TV and print. Your view is

> prevailing of course, this is why I complain because communism is

> prevailing. In pure democracy there is no other destiny besides pure

> communism, and with that destiny only comes war, when those who support

> those who steal become fed up and revolt. That will happen, it always does.

> Steal from the rich to feed the poor til there are no rich no more... but

> the rich see that coming and do something about it, like kill a bunch of

> pests, little leeches, the thieves that steal their money. You just don't

> get that. People don't like to be robbed. It is not right to be robbed. I

> guess if you'd ever had anything you would know that.

> >>

> IGNORE

I believe the proper command is something like /kill --- thereby sending

all future messages from this raving lunatic to the trash without having to

read them.

Obviously, this person knows absolutely nothing of history. though he raves

against communism, he does not know the difference between communism and

socialism, and does not realize that some of the world's most democratic

governments are also its most socialistic. Communism is not the opposite of

democracy. It appears this person slept through history and government in

high school and didn't go to college altogether.

Dixie, w ho has a double major in government and history, University of

Texas 1993

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><< distinguishable? Why are you playing this game of bullshit now? You are

> right (wow that was quite a deduction Petos) there are so many of you, that

> the truth is seldom heard and only the communist bullshit of the folks like

> you that permeates, the air, the radio waves, TV and print. Your view is

> prevailing of course, this is why I complain because communism is

> prevailing. In pure democracy there is no other destiny besides pure

> communism, and with that destiny only comes war, when those who support

> those who steal become fed up and revolt. That will happen, it always does.

> Steal from the rich to feed the poor til there are no rich no more... but

> the rich see that coming and do something about it, like kill a bunch of

> pests, little leeches, the thieves that steal their money. You just don't

> get that. People don't like to be robbed. It is not right to be robbed. I

> guess if you'd ever had anything you would know that.

> >>

> IGNORE

I believe the proper command is something like /kill --- thereby sending

all future messages from this raving lunatic to the trash without having to

read them.

Obviously, this person knows absolutely nothing of history. though he raves

against communism, he does not know the difference between communism and

socialism, and does not realize that some of the world's most democratic

governments are also its most socialistic. Communism is not the opposite of

democracy. It appears this person slept through history and government in

high school and didn't go to college altogether.

Dixie, w ho has a double major in government and history, University of

Texas 1993

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To answer your question - no.

Re: Re: Libertarian Rand

> At 11:57 AM 2/5/01 -0500, you wrote:

> >You have some thinking and reading to dol

>

> How arrogant. Do you really believe that anyone who disagrees

> with you is uninformed and unthinking?

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To answer your question - no.

Re: Re: Libertarian Rand

> At 11:57 AM 2/5/01 -0500, you wrote:

> >You have some thinking and reading to dol

>

> How arrogant. Do you really believe that anyone who disagrees

> with you is uninformed and unthinking?

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a quick one, although it may take you years to find the same conclusion.

Re: Re: Libertarian Rand

> In a message dated 2/2/01 8:01:32 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> francisca@... writes:

>

> << Look at the 1960s when the rich did a pretty good number on the poor.

It

> always happens. Its not the decency of Libertarianism you dolt. Its

human

> nature, only to take so much then strike against. >>

>

> What kind of logical analysis is this?

>

>

>

>

>

>

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a quick one, although it may take you years to find the same conclusion.

Re: Re: Libertarian Rand

> In a message dated 2/2/01 8:01:32 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> francisca@... writes:

>

> << Look at the 1960s when the rich did a pretty good number on the poor.

It

> always happens. Its not the decency of Libertarianism you dolt. Its

human

> nature, only to take so much then strike against. >>

>

> What kind of logical analysis is this?

>

>

>

>

>

>

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I disagree Piper. These people weren't slaves. They lived in a free

country which they were free to leave, same as now. They weren't forced to

act unwisely. They were not forced to act in the best interest of someone

else instead of themselves, but chose to. I've read, thought and argued on

this subject much more than I care to, and if I thought you were a match

that could change my resolve on it, I would welcome you to try. But I do

not.

Re: Re: Libertarian Rand

> In a message dated 2/2/01 7:30:02 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> francisca@... writes:

>

> << I am not crying about your sob story. Those girls were stupid and

should

> have known better. You try to pass the buck for them. Try to blame

someone

> else for their own ineptitude and irresponsibility. Just like you, I

> suppose. Why is it my job to make sure someone else isn't a stupid fool?

> Its not because everyone knows there is nothing I can do about that. I

> can't do anything about that, so why then is it my job to make sure the

>>

>

> This is the height and ignorance of ignoring a social context that was

> responsible for the murder of innocent people because of out-right greed

and

> the profit motive unregulated. You have some thinking and reading to dol

> Piper.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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I just replied to this; it sounded like something I may have said. I am

glad to find it wasn't me.

Re: Re: Libertarian Rand

> At 11:57 AM 2/5/01 -0500, you wrote:

> >You have some thinking and reading to dol

>

> How arrogant. Do you really believe that anyone who disagrees

> with you is uninformed and unthinking?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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I just replied to this; it sounded like something I may have said. I am

glad to find it wasn't me.

Re: Re: Libertarian Rand

> At 11:57 AM 2/5/01 -0500, you wrote:

> >You have some thinking and reading to dol

>

> How arrogant. Do you really believe that anyone who disagrees

> with you is uninformed and unthinking?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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For what purpose? To end the question in her mind once and for all that

Ayn Rand is in no way a Nazi, nor supported Nazis, I must reluctantly

assume, as you give no reason.

Re: Re: Libertarian Rand

> In a message dated 2/2/01 7:01:44 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> malgeo@... writes:

>

> << he_Fountainhead_ or seen the

> movie, but I have trouble believing Rand published anything

> even vaguely Nazi-like. >>

> , I can only suggest that you do read and see. Piper.

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Ya know girl I really don't care where you went to school. Raving

lunatic. Is that what you call anyone who abhors communism? Was Reagan a

lunatic? Was Kennedy? Were all the men who fought and were killed in Asia?

Or merely the ones who believed in what they were fighting for?

I do know the nuances of communism, socialism, modern liberalism,

Marxism, Stalinism. I've read up on my own accord, unlike you who were

spoon fed the BS (or was it a BA?) that says any of these are fundamentally

different from one another. You compare apples to apples - green ones and

red and big ones, little ones, while I think altogether differently, along a

different spectrum, (outside the box to put it in words you might

understand) and therefore can compare them to something totally different,

an orange. You are so blinded, like Pete, that you can't even comprehend

the orange.

My reality, which apparently is the domain of only raving lunatics,

doesn't comprise solely a race of people who live in self-sacrifice for the

rest of the race (your greatest group, you grouper). Until you can grasp

that the " AA cult group " is only a minute view of mankind itself (the

greatest, most destructive, disingenuous and sadistic group), you will

continue to be lost.

You can grasp and see, partly, the detriment one small group's ideas and

practices cause to itself and all others, but you can not grasp the damage

caused by the ultimate group, nor even allow yourself to see it as the group

it truly is. Like a member of AA, you defend the group you cherish so much,

the same group that steals your time, tells you lies, forces you with guilt

to live a lie and makes you ultimately sacrifice yourself. For what cause?

The group. Mankind.

Yes I am a raving lunatic. I am insane (damn, I have been told that

enough times, in churches, in AA, in schools and in political discussions).

I am insane because I choose to live for myself instead of any group, not

even the greatest one. I must be insane to remain sane in this world of

complete insanity. I am called insane anytime I try to spread that idea to

others - that they need not sacrifice their own being for others or for a

group. If a person who thinks the way you do (presuming you think yourself

sane) called me anything but insane I would be worried. It's because I am

insane that I go anonymously - I call it self-preservation, since some seem

bothered by it.

Reckless woman, how could you draw the conclusion I know nothing of

history? How could you? Because I used not one historical example? You

did not say anything about being able to speak in Spanish, yet I can not

assume, and dare not say, " it is obvious you know nothing of Spanish. "

Further, you said, " Communism is not the opposite of Democracy " AS IF I

had said it was. In fact, I said Communism is the only possible destiny of

pure Democracy, though it is never allowed to reach that ending - angry and

starving people don't let it!

BTW, have you ever even been to Sweden? I think the only thing that is

obvious is that you have grossly misjudged me. It is now obvious to anyone

that you do not have any idea whom you are talking about. It is obvious to

me that you do not have any idea what you are talking about.

Re: Re: Libertarian Rand

>

> ><< distinguishable? Why are you playing this game of bullshit now? You

are

> > right (wow that was quite a deduction Petos) there are so many of you,

that

> > the truth is seldom heard and only the communist bullshit of the folks

like

> > you that permeates, the air, the radio waves, TV and print. Your view

is

> > prevailing of course, this is why I complain because communism is

> > prevailing. In pure democracy there is no other destiny besides pure

> > communism, and with that destiny only comes war, when those who support

> > those who steal become fed up and revolt. That will happen, it always

does.

> > Steal from the rich to feed the poor til there are no rich no more...

but

> > the rich see that coming and do something about it, like kill a bunch of

> > pests, little leeches, the thieves that steal their money. You just

don't

> > get that. People don't like to be robbed. It is not right to be

robbed. I

> > guess if you'd ever had anything you would know that.

> > >>

> > IGNORE

>

> I believe the proper command is something like /kill --- thereby sending

> all future messages from this raving lunatic to the trash without having

to

> read them.

>

> Obviously, this person knows absolutely nothing of history. though he

raves

> against communism, he does not know the difference between communism and

> socialism, and does not realize that some of the world's most democratic

> governments are also its most socialistic. Communism is not the opposite

of

> democracy. It appears this person slept through history and government in

> high school and didn't go to college altogether.

> Dixie, w ho has a double major in government and history, University of

> Texas 1993

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Ya know girl I really don't care where you went to school. Raving

lunatic. Is that what you call anyone who abhors communism? Was Reagan a

lunatic? Was Kennedy? Were all the men who fought and were killed in Asia?

Or merely the ones who believed in what they were fighting for?

I do know the nuances of communism, socialism, modern liberalism,

Marxism, Stalinism. I've read up on my own accord, unlike you who were

spoon fed the BS (or was it a BA?) that says any of these are fundamentally

different from one another. You compare apples to apples - green ones and

red and big ones, little ones, while I think altogether differently, along a

different spectrum, (outside the box to put it in words you might

understand) and therefore can compare them to something totally different,

an orange. You are so blinded, like Pete, that you can't even comprehend

the orange.

My reality, which apparently is the domain of only raving lunatics,

doesn't comprise solely a race of people who live in self-sacrifice for the

rest of the race (your greatest group, you grouper). Until you can grasp

that the " AA cult group " is only a minute view of mankind itself (the

greatest, most destructive, disingenuous and sadistic group), you will

continue to be lost.

You can grasp and see, partly, the detriment one small group's ideas and

practices cause to itself and all others, but you can not grasp the damage

caused by the ultimate group, nor even allow yourself to see it as the group

it truly is. Like a member of AA, you defend the group you cherish so much,

the same group that steals your time, tells you lies, forces you with guilt

to live a lie and makes you ultimately sacrifice yourself. For what cause?

The group. Mankind.

Yes I am a raving lunatic. I am insane (damn, I have been told that

enough times, in churches, in AA, in schools and in political discussions).

I am insane because I choose to live for myself instead of any group, not

even the greatest one. I must be insane to remain sane in this world of

complete insanity. I am called insane anytime I try to spread that idea to

others - that they need not sacrifice their own being for others or for a

group. If a person who thinks the way you do (presuming you think yourself

sane) called me anything but insane I would be worried. It's because I am

insane that I go anonymously - I call it self-preservation, since some seem

bothered by it.

Reckless woman, how could you draw the conclusion I know nothing of

history? How could you? Because I used not one historical example? You

did not say anything about being able to speak in Spanish, yet I can not

assume, and dare not say, " it is obvious you know nothing of Spanish. "

Further, you said, " Communism is not the opposite of Democracy " AS IF I

had said it was. In fact, I said Communism is the only possible destiny of

pure Democracy, though it is never allowed to reach that ending - angry and

starving people don't let it!

BTW, have you ever even been to Sweden? I think the only thing that is

obvious is that you have grossly misjudged me. It is now obvious to anyone

that you do not have any idea whom you are talking about. It is obvious to

me that you do not have any idea what you are talking about.

Re: Re: Libertarian Rand

>

> ><< distinguishable? Why are you playing this game of bullshit now? You

are

> > right (wow that was quite a deduction Petos) there are so many of you,

that

> > the truth is seldom heard and only the communist bullshit of the folks

like

> > you that permeates, the air, the radio waves, TV and print. Your view

is

> > prevailing of course, this is why I complain because communism is

> > prevailing. In pure democracy there is no other destiny besides pure

> > communism, and with that destiny only comes war, when those who support

> > those who steal become fed up and revolt. That will happen, it always

does.

> > Steal from the rich to feed the poor til there are no rich no more...

but

> > the rich see that coming and do something about it, like kill a bunch of

> > pests, little leeches, the thieves that steal their money. You just

don't

> > get that. People don't like to be robbed. It is not right to be

robbed. I

> > guess if you'd ever had anything you would know that.

> > >>

> > IGNORE

>

> I believe the proper command is something like /kill --- thereby sending

> all future messages from this raving lunatic to the trash without having

to

> read them.

>

> Obviously, this person knows absolutely nothing of history. though he

raves

> against communism, he does not know the difference between communism and

> socialism, and does not realize that some of the world's most democratic

> governments are also its most socialistic. Communism is not the opposite

of

> democracy. It appears this person slept through history and government in

> high school and didn't go to college altogether.

> Dixie, w ho has a double major in government and history, University of

> Texas 1993

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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In a message dated 2/7/01 2:23:31 AM Pacific Standard Time,

francisca@... writes:

<< the decency of Libertarianism >>

I think it is this part that I have trouble with. If you would care to

expand, I will listen. Piper.

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In a message dated 2/7/01 2:23:31 AM Pacific Standard Time,

francisca@... writes:

<< the decency of Libertarianism >>

I think it is this part that I have trouble with. If you would care to

expand, I will listen. Piper.

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In a message dated 2/7/01 2:23:31 AM Pacific Standard Time,

francisca@... writes:

<< the decency of Libertarianism >>

I think it is this part that I have trouble with. If you would care to

expand, I will listen. Piper.

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In a message dated 2/7/01 2:27:51 AM Pacific Standard Time,

francisca@... writes:

<< I disagree Piper. These people weren't slaves. They lived in a free

country which they were free to leave, same as now. They weren't forced to

act unwisely. They were not forced to act in the best interest of someone

else instead of themselves, but chose to. I've read, thought and argued on

this subject much more than I care to, and if I thought you were a match

that could change my resolve on it, I would welcome you to try. But I do

not.

Re: Re: Libertarian Rand

> In a message dated 2/2/01 7:30:02 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> francisca@... writes:

>

> << I am not crying about your sob story. Those girls were stupid and

should

> have known better. You try to pass the buck for them. Try to blame

someone

> else for their own ineptitude and irresponsibility. Just like you, I

> suppose. Why is it my job to make sure someone else isn't a stupid fool?

> Its not because everyone knows there is nothing I can do about that. I

> can't do anything about that, so why then is it my job to make sure the

>>

>

> This is the height and ignorance of ignoring a social context that was

> responsible for the murder of innocent people because of out-right greed

and

> the profit motive unregulated. You have some thinking and reading to dol

> Piper.

>

>

> >>

Dixie~~

<thwaps with dueling glove!! You are supposed to have historian

capabilities. " Free country, free to leave. " How the fuck free do you think

you are??? I don't know which country you live in, but you live within the

confines of a political and social context that WILL contain, i jest you not,

paramount injustices that will NOT leave you free.

Go to a hospital Dixie. Mental or acute- care medical. I defy you to tell

me what a free agent you are. At life's end, you WILL end up there and YOU

WILL have very few choices about how you die. As to how you live. What kind

of medical insurance do you have? Do you think you are not taking it up the

ass with whatever so called insurance you have (esp if you live in the US_)?

Do you not think that you life expectancy is shortened because of the health

care system we now have in the U.S.

What kind of job do you have? How do you know the bloody asbestos in the

ceiling isn't killing you day after day that you breathe? Do you think that

you should be aware of this yourself, you as a free agent, and lo and behold

you didn't know the entire building was crawling with asbetos? What is the

matter with you? Why didn't you know as you die of emphysema. What kind of

organizational structure do you work under? And I do mean under. Do you

know that your " benefit " package is slightly slanted toward the House wins?

Do you know that the subtle tyranny of the vertical, heirarchal structure

that shapes and moulds your behaviour from day to day is giving you stress

and minimizing your sense of self worth?

What kind of transportation do you have? Do you drive a Ford SUV with

Goodyear Tires? Oh, lost an arm when the SUV turned over? What is wrong

with you girl? Get a grip. After all you are free in a free country.

Live in an older mobile home? Have breathing difficulties?

Can you imagine being a working woman, having children, needing to support a

family, and having to work in a building with negligent fire codes. As a

free woman, in a free country, would you say hey, chances are I will be ok or

I might not be ok but I don't have any CHOICE, at this time, in this CONTEXT,

to do anything else but support myself and my family, or, especially NOT

having the information that you were working in a death trap?

I have so many more. Please ask if you wish me to go on. Piper.

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In a message dated 2/7/01 10:04:24 AM Pacific Standard Time,

francisca@... writes:

<< francisca@... (coolguy)

Reply-to: <A HREF= " mailto:12-step-free " >

12-step-free </A>

To: 12-step-free

Re: Re: Libertarian Rand

> In a message dated 2/2/01 7:53:35 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> watts_pete@... writes:

>

> << I am not crying about your sob story. Those girls were stupid

> >and should have known better.

>

> Now this is where it stops being funny. This confirms what I already

> suspected, that you arent playing with a full deck. Are you the guy

> whose response to my advocacy of gun control was " Anyone wants to take

> away my guns, let them just try. " ? If so I am very, very glad I dont

> have you a neighbour.

>

> So, this is where it stops being funny and is now very offensive, so I

> will be ignoring you from now on. >>

>

> Exactly! This is not a person to be taken seriously or to deal with

> genuinely intellectually. Ignore. Piper.

Likewise pooper.

>>same to you Mr. Poopy Pants. LOL. I think i sent a message to Dixie

that was long and sociologically poignant when it should have been to Mr.

poopy pants. There are SO MANY posts on this list. haha. Piper.

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In a message dated 2/7/01 10:04:24 AM Pacific Standard Time,

francisca@... writes:

<< francisca@... (coolguy)

Reply-to: <A HREF= " mailto:12-step-free " >

12-step-free </A>

To: 12-step-free

Re: Re: Libertarian Rand

> In a message dated 2/2/01 7:53:35 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> watts_pete@... writes:

>

> << I am not crying about your sob story. Those girls were stupid

> >and should have known better.

>

> Now this is where it stops being funny. This confirms what I already

> suspected, that you arent playing with a full deck. Are you the guy

> whose response to my advocacy of gun control was " Anyone wants to take

> away my guns, let them just try. " ? If so I am very, very glad I dont

> have you a neighbour.

>

> So, this is where it stops being funny and is now very offensive, so I

> will be ignoring you from now on. >>

>

> Exactly! This is not a person to be taken seriously or to deal with

> genuinely intellectually. Ignore. Piper.

Likewise pooper.

>>same to you Mr. Poopy Pants. LOL. I think i sent a message to Dixie

that was long and sociologically poignant when it should have been to Mr.

poopy pants. There are SO MANY posts on this list. haha. Piper.

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In a message dated 2/7/01 10:04:24 AM Pacific Standard Time,

francisca@... writes:

<< francisca@... (coolguy)

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Re: Re: Libertarian Rand

> In a message dated 2/2/01 7:53:35 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> watts_pete@... writes:

>

> << I am not crying about your sob story. Those girls were stupid

> >and should have known better.

>

> Now this is where it stops being funny. This confirms what I already

> suspected, that you arent playing with a full deck. Are you the guy

> whose response to my advocacy of gun control was " Anyone wants to take

> away my guns, let them just try. " ? If so I am very, very glad I dont

> have you a neighbour.

>

> So, this is where it stops being funny and is now very offensive, so I

> will be ignoring you from now on. >>

>

> Exactly! This is not a person to be taken seriously or to deal with

> genuinely intellectually. Ignore. Piper.

Likewise pooper.

>>same to you Mr. Poopy Pants. LOL. I think i sent a message to Dixie

that was long and sociologically poignant when it should have been to Mr.

poopy pants. There are SO MANY posts on this list. haha. Piper.

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