Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 I've got a question. Where I live there is a young man who constantly runs around in a TSTC EMS uniform. He was once a student, but has failed the basic course numerous times. He walks around town with the shirt and ems pants in addition to that, he wears about 14 pairs of sisccors, and a glove pouch. Recently there was a funeral in which several (30-40) police, fire, and ems personel attended. This young man, made his way onto the grounds, and was walking around amongst everyone else. (Almost all of the emergency personel were fully uniformed.) At one point he attempted to make conversation with the widow, also it looked as though he was trying to sneak a peak at the body. I can't even believe someone would do such a thing. Then upon departure for the funeral procession, he was standing on the corner in a " Secret Service " type pose, with what appeared to be a cell phone ear piece in his ear (with no cell phone), which was running down his shirt. Obviously trying to impersonate someone (Possibly the DPS officer blocking traffic near where he was). There have been numerous times where he has showed up on scenes, and is always misleading people to what he is or does. There have also have been times that he was arrested for trying to arrest someone or detain some people, I'm not really sure which one. This has been going on for quite sometime and when I was at the funeral I thought that this was just totaly uncalled for. Is there anything that can be done? How much will arresting him really help? This gentleman is not certified, and I pray to god he never does get certified. So I'm assuming that this is out of TDH's reach. Anyone have any suggestions? And have any of you dealt with this kind of thing before? What happened in thoose instances? Thanks for your help. -, EMT-I PS: He is NOT associated with any type of EMS, Fire, or Police orginaization. He holds no certification of any type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 Mike is a good source for this information. I would contact him as well. E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP Midlothian, TX Re: EMT Impersonator Good morning, . It sounds like you most definitly have an impersonater running around. What does he say on scenes, etc? First all, he has no business there. Secondly, I don't think that he should be doing this. Several options come to mind. Even though he is not TDH certified, I do know of a few people that TDH has went after for representing themselves as EMTs, etc. Several statutes come to mind here: § 37.11. IMPERSONATING PUBLIC SERVANT. (a) A person commits an offense if he: (1) impersonates a public servant with intent to induce another to submit to his pretended official authority or to rely on his pretended official acts; or (2) knowingly purports to exercise any function of a public servant or of a public office, including that of a judge and court, and the position or office through which he purports to exercise a function of a public servant or public office has no lawful existence under the constitution or laws of this state or of the United States. ( An offense under this section is a felony of the third degree. § 37.12. FALSE IDENTIFICATION AS PEACE OFFICER; MISREPRESENTATION OF PROPERTY. (a) A person commits an offense if: (1) the person makes, provides to another person, or possesses a card, document, badge, insignia, shoulder emblem, or other item bearing an insignia of a law enforcement agency that identifies a person as a peace officer or a reserve law enforcement officer; and (2) the person who makes, provides, or possesses the item bearing the insignia knows that the person so identified by the item is not commissioned as a peace officer or reserve law enforcement officer as indicated on the item. ( It is a defense to prosecution under this section that: (1) the card, document, badge, insignia, shoulder emblem, or other item bearing an insignia of a law enforcement agency clearly identifies the person as an honorary or junior peace officer or reserve law enforcement officer, or as a member of a junior posse; (2) the person identified as a peace officer or reserve law enforcement officer by the item bearing the insignia was commissioned in that capacity when the item was made; or (3) the item was used or intended for use exclusively for decorative purposes or in an artistic or dramatic presentation. © In this section, " reserve law enforcement officer " has the same meaning as is given that term in Section 1701.001, Occupations Code. (d) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally or knowingly misrepresents an object as property belonging to a law enforcement agency. (e) An offense under this section is a Class B misdemeanor. Added by Acts 1983, 68th Leg., p. 5672, ch. 1075, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1983. Amended by Acts 1987, 70th Leg., ch. 514, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1987; Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, § 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, 1994; Acts 2001, 77th Leg., ch. 1420, § 14.831, eff. Sept. 1, 2001. § 38.15. INTERFERENCE WITH PUBLIC DUTIES. (a) A person commits an offense if the person with criminal negligence interrupts, disrupts, impedes, or otherwise interferes with: (1) a peace officer while the peace officer is performing a duty or exercising authority imposed or granted by law; (2) a person who is employed to provide emergency medical services including the transportation of ill or injured persons while the person is performing that duty; (3) a fire fighter, while the fire fighter is fighting a fire or investigating the cause of a fire; (4) an animal under the supervision of a peace officer, corrections officer, or jailer, if the person knows the animal is being used for law enforcement, corrections, prison or jail security, or investigative purposes; or (5) the transmission of a communication over a citizen's band radio channel, the purpose of which communication is to inform or inquire about an emergency. ( An offense under this section is a Class B misdemeanor. © It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (a)(1) that the conduct engaged in by the defendant was intended to warn a person operating a motor vehicle of the presence of a peace officer who was enforcing Subtitle C, Title 7, Transportation Code. (d) It is a defense to prosecution under this section that the interruption, disruption, impediment, or interference alleged consisted of speech only. (e) In this section, " emergency " means a condition or circumstance in which an individual is or is reasonably believed by the person transmitting the communication to be in imminent danger of serious bodily injury or in which property is or is reasonably believed by the person transmitting the communication to be in imminent danger of damage or destruction. EMT Impersonator I've got a question. Where I live there is a young man who constantly runs around in a TSTC EMS uniform. He was once a student, but has failed the basic course numerous times. He walks around town with the shirt and ems pants in addition to that, he wears about 14 pairs of sisccors, and a glove pouch. Recently there was a funeral in which several (30-40) police, fire, and ems personel attended. This young man, made his way onto the grounds, and was walking around amongst everyone else. (Almost all of the emergency personel were fully uniformed.) At one point he attempted to make conversation with the widow, also it looked as though he was trying to sneak a peak at the body. I can't even believe someone would do such a thing. Then upon departure for the funeral procession, he was standing on the corner in a " Secret Service " type pose, with what appeared to be a cell phone ear piece in his ear (with no cell phone), which was running down his shirt. Obviously trying to impersonate someone (Possibly the DPS officer blocking traffic near where he was). There have been numerous times where he has showed up on scenes, and is always misleading people to what he is or does. There have also have been times that he was arrested for trying to arrest someone or detain some people, I'm not really sure which one. This has been going on for quite sometime and when I was at the funeral I thought that this was just totaly uncalled for. Is there anything that can be done? How much will arresting him really help? This gentleman is not certified, and I pray to god he never does get certified. So I'm assuming that this is out of TDH's reach. Anyone have any suggestions? And have any of you dealt with this kind of thing before? What happened in thoose instances? Thanks for your help. -, EMT-I PS: He is NOT associated with any type of EMS, Fire, or Police orginaization. He holds no certification of any type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 Mike is a good source for this information. I would contact him as well. E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP Midlothian, TX Re: EMT Impersonator Good morning, . It sounds like you most definitly have an impersonater running around. What does he say on scenes, etc? First all, he has no business there. Secondly, I don't think that he should be doing this. Several options come to mind. Even though he is not TDH certified, I do know of a few people that TDH has went after for representing themselves as EMTs, etc. Several statutes come to mind here: § 37.11. IMPERSONATING PUBLIC SERVANT. (a) A person commits an offense if he: (1) impersonates a public servant with intent to induce another to submit to his pretended official authority or to rely on his pretended official acts; or (2) knowingly purports to exercise any function of a public servant or of a public office, including that of a judge and court, and the position or office through which he purports to exercise a function of a public servant or public office has no lawful existence under the constitution or laws of this state or of the United States. ( An offense under this section is a felony of the third degree. § 37.12. FALSE IDENTIFICATION AS PEACE OFFICER; MISREPRESENTATION OF PROPERTY. (a) A person commits an offense if: (1) the person makes, provides to another person, or possesses a card, document, badge, insignia, shoulder emblem, or other item bearing an insignia of a law enforcement agency that identifies a person as a peace officer or a reserve law enforcement officer; and (2) the person who makes, provides, or possesses the item bearing the insignia knows that the person so identified by the item is not commissioned as a peace officer or reserve law enforcement officer as indicated on the item. ( It is a defense to prosecution under this section that: (1) the card, document, badge, insignia, shoulder emblem, or other item bearing an insignia of a law enforcement agency clearly identifies the person as an honorary or junior peace officer or reserve law enforcement officer, or as a member of a junior posse; (2) the person identified as a peace officer or reserve law enforcement officer by the item bearing the insignia was commissioned in that capacity when the item was made; or (3) the item was used or intended for use exclusively for decorative purposes or in an artistic or dramatic presentation. © In this section, " reserve law enforcement officer " has the same meaning as is given that term in Section 1701.001, Occupations Code. (d) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally or knowingly misrepresents an object as property belonging to a law enforcement agency. (e) An offense under this section is a Class B misdemeanor. Added by Acts 1983, 68th Leg., p. 5672, ch. 1075, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1983. Amended by Acts 1987, 70th Leg., ch. 514, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1987; Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, § 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, 1994; Acts 2001, 77th Leg., ch. 1420, § 14.831, eff. Sept. 1, 2001. § 38.15. INTERFERENCE WITH PUBLIC DUTIES. (a) A person commits an offense if the person with criminal negligence interrupts, disrupts, impedes, or otherwise interferes with: (1) a peace officer while the peace officer is performing a duty or exercising authority imposed or granted by law; (2) a person who is employed to provide emergency medical services including the transportation of ill or injured persons while the person is performing that duty; (3) a fire fighter, while the fire fighter is fighting a fire or investigating the cause of a fire; (4) an animal under the supervision of a peace officer, corrections officer, or jailer, if the person knows the animal is being used for law enforcement, corrections, prison or jail security, or investigative purposes; or (5) the transmission of a communication over a citizen's band radio channel, the purpose of which communication is to inform or inquire about an emergency. ( An offense under this section is a Class B misdemeanor. © It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (a)(1) that the conduct engaged in by the defendant was intended to warn a person operating a motor vehicle of the presence of a peace officer who was enforcing Subtitle C, Title 7, Transportation Code. (d) It is a defense to prosecution under this section that the interruption, disruption, impediment, or interference alleged consisted of speech only. (e) In this section, " emergency " means a condition or circumstance in which an individual is or is reasonably believed by the person transmitting the communication to be in imminent danger of serious bodily injury or in which property is or is reasonably believed by the person transmitting the communication to be in imminent danger of damage or destruction. EMT Impersonator I've got a question. Where I live there is a young man who constantly runs around in a TSTC EMS uniform. He was once a student, but has failed the basic course numerous times. He walks around town with the shirt and ems pants in addition to that, he wears about 14 pairs of sisccors, and a glove pouch. Recently there was a funeral in which several (30-40) police, fire, and ems personel attended. This young man, made his way onto the grounds, and was walking around amongst everyone else. (Almost all of the emergency personel were fully uniformed.) At one point he attempted to make conversation with the widow, also it looked as though he was trying to sneak a peak at the body. I can't even believe someone would do such a thing. Then upon departure for the funeral procession, he was standing on the corner in a " Secret Service " type pose, with what appeared to be a cell phone ear piece in his ear (with no cell phone), which was running down his shirt. Obviously trying to impersonate someone (Possibly the DPS officer blocking traffic near where he was). There have been numerous times where he has showed up on scenes, and is always misleading people to what he is or does. There have also have been times that he was arrested for trying to arrest someone or detain some people, I'm not really sure which one. This has been going on for quite sometime and when I was at the funeral I thought that this was just totaly uncalled for. Is there anything that can be done? How much will arresting him really help? This gentleman is not certified, and I pray to god he never does get certified. So I'm assuming that this is out of TDH's reach. Anyone have any suggestions? And have any of you dealt with this kind of thing before? What happened in thoose instances? Thanks for your help. -, EMT-I PS: He is NOT associated with any type of EMS, Fire, or Police orginaization. He holds no certification of any type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 Hello there to.... I know who your talking about. He was on a scene of mine in town a while back, MVC I think. He never said anything, never offered to help. I had seen him before so I told the police to remove him, which they actually never did. I asked the officer about it after the fact and he basically told me that they were tired of dealing with him, that it would do no good. I think we should kidnap him and perform some type of torture till he cracks. (JUST KIDDING) I would actually say that the TDH would want to know about this dude. In fact I know that they impose fines on those who impersonate themselves as certified and have seen the entry in the Texas EMS magazine. Once they " mark " these people, they can never apply for a certificate or license. Bobby Bobby EMT Impersonator I've got a question. Where I live there is a young man who constantly runs around in a TSTC EMS uniform. He was once a student, but has failed the basic course numerous times. He walks around town with the shirt and ems pants in addition to that, he wears about 14 pairs of sisccors, and a glove pouch. Recently there was a funeral in which several (30-40) police, fire, and ems personel attended. This young man, made his way onto the grounds, and was walking around amongst everyone else. (Almost all of the emergency personel were fully uniformed.) At one point he attempted to make conversation with the widow, also it looked as though he was trying to sneak a peak at the body. I can't even believe someone would do such a thing. Then upon departure for the funeral procession, he was standing on the corner in a " Secret Service " type pose, with what appeared to be a cell phone ear piece in his ear (with no cell phone), which was running down his shirt. Obviously trying to impersonate someone (Possibly the DPS officer blocking traffic near where he was). There have been numerous times where he has showed up on scenes, and is always misleading people to what he is or does. There have also have been times that he was arrested for trying to arrest someone or detain some people, I'm not really sure which one. This has been going on for quite sometime and when I was at the funeral I thought that this was just totaly uncalled for. Is there anything that can be done? How much will arresting him really help? This gentleman is not certified, and I pray to god he never does get certified. So I'm assuming that this is out of TDH's reach. Anyone have any suggestions? And have any of you dealt with this kind of thing before? What happened in thoose instances? Thanks for your help. -, EMT-I PS: He is NOT associated with any type of EMS, Fire, or Police orginaization. He holds no certification of any type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 Hello there to.... I know who your talking about. He was on a scene of mine in town a while back, MVC I think. He never said anything, never offered to help. I had seen him before so I told the police to remove him, which they actually never did. I asked the officer about it after the fact and he basically told me that they were tired of dealing with him, that it would do no good. I think we should kidnap him and perform some type of torture till he cracks. (JUST KIDDING) I would actually say that the TDH would want to know about this dude. In fact I know that they impose fines on those who impersonate themselves as certified and have seen the entry in the Texas EMS magazine. Once they " mark " these people, they can never apply for a certificate or license. Bobby Bobby EMT Impersonator I've got a question. Where I live there is a young man who constantly runs around in a TSTC EMS uniform. He was once a student, but has failed the basic course numerous times. He walks around town with the shirt and ems pants in addition to that, he wears about 14 pairs of sisccors, and a glove pouch. Recently there was a funeral in which several (30-40) police, fire, and ems personel attended. This young man, made his way onto the grounds, and was walking around amongst everyone else. (Almost all of the emergency personel were fully uniformed.) At one point he attempted to make conversation with the widow, also it looked as though he was trying to sneak a peak at the body. I can't even believe someone would do such a thing. Then upon departure for the funeral procession, he was standing on the corner in a " Secret Service " type pose, with what appeared to be a cell phone ear piece in his ear (with no cell phone), which was running down his shirt. Obviously trying to impersonate someone (Possibly the DPS officer blocking traffic near where he was). There have been numerous times where he has showed up on scenes, and is always misleading people to what he is or does. There have also have been times that he was arrested for trying to arrest someone or detain some people, I'm not really sure which one. This has been going on for quite sometime and when I was at the funeral I thought that this was just totaly uncalled for. Is there anything that can be done? How much will arresting him really help? This gentleman is not certified, and I pray to god he never does get certified. So I'm assuming that this is out of TDH's reach. Anyone have any suggestions? And have any of you dealt with this kind of thing before? What happened in thoose instances? Thanks for your help. -, EMT-I PS: He is NOT associated with any type of EMS, Fire, or Police orginaization. He holds no certification of any type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 Hello there to.... I know who your talking about. He was on a scene of mine in town a while back, MVC I think. He never said anything, never offered to help. I had seen him before so I told the police to remove him, which they actually never did. I asked the officer about it after the fact and he basically told me that they were tired of dealing with him, that it would do no good. I think we should kidnap him and perform some type of torture till he cracks. (JUST KIDDING) I would actually say that the TDH would want to know about this dude. In fact I know that they impose fines on those who impersonate themselves as certified and have seen the entry in the Texas EMS magazine. Once they " mark " these people, they can never apply for a certificate or license. Bobby Bobby EMT Impersonator I've got a question. Where I live there is a young man who constantly runs around in a TSTC EMS uniform. He was once a student, but has failed the basic course numerous times. He walks around town with the shirt and ems pants in addition to that, he wears about 14 pairs of sisccors, and a glove pouch. Recently there was a funeral in which several (30-40) police, fire, and ems personel attended. This young man, made his way onto the grounds, and was walking around amongst everyone else. (Almost all of the emergency personel were fully uniformed.) At one point he attempted to make conversation with the widow, also it looked as though he was trying to sneak a peak at the body. I can't even believe someone would do such a thing. Then upon departure for the funeral procession, he was standing on the corner in a " Secret Service " type pose, with what appeared to be a cell phone ear piece in his ear (with no cell phone), which was running down his shirt. Obviously trying to impersonate someone (Possibly the DPS officer blocking traffic near where he was). There have been numerous times where he has showed up on scenes, and is always misleading people to what he is or does. There have also have been times that he was arrested for trying to arrest someone or detain some people, I'm not really sure which one. This has been going on for quite sometime and when I was at the funeral I thought that this was just totaly uncalled for. Is there anything that can be done? How much will arresting him really help? This gentleman is not certified, and I pray to god he never does get certified. So I'm assuming that this is out of TDH's reach. Anyone have any suggestions? And have any of you dealt with this kind of thing before? What happened in thoose instances? Thanks for your help. -, EMT-I PS: He is NOT associated with any type of EMS, Fire, or Police orginaization. He holds no certification of any type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 Just my opinion, and it's probably worth less than a cup of coffee, here goes. While I am not sure anything can be done, officially, I have a modest proposal... Assess whether or not he causes problems on a scene. If he is actually useful, let him help. You get an extra pair of hands for a few minutes, he feels good about himself, and everyone has a good day. Some people just are wired different, and he sounds like someone who needs some type of life. Continue monitoring for changes in his behavior. HOWEVER... If he exceeds bounds or starts jumping calls.... Get some pictures of this wannabe and distribute these to the DPS, county sheriffs, local PDs who work the area he frequents (he sounds territorial), and if he drives, maybe some pics of his car, license number, desciption,etc. On a one-on-one basis, let the LEOs know the truth about this person, and suggest (if it is the case) that this person is a hazard at a scene. While scenes can be busy, maybe a close and personal encounter with a LEO will shut this guy down. If not, a few tickets / arrests for Obstructing a scene might cool his jets. Larry RN, LP, yada, yada ... Houston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 Just my opinion, and it's probably worth less than a cup of coffee, here goes. While I am not sure anything can be done, officially, I have a modest proposal... Assess whether or not he causes problems on a scene. If he is actually useful, let him help. You get an extra pair of hands for a few minutes, he feels good about himself, and everyone has a good day. Some people just are wired different, and he sounds like someone who needs some type of life. Continue monitoring for changes in his behavior. HOWEVER... If he exceeds bounds or starts jumping calls.... Get some pictures of this wannabe and distribute these to the DPS, county sheriffs, local PDs who work the area he frequents (he sounds territorial), and if he drives, maybe some pics of his car, license number, desciption,etc. On a one-on-one basis, let the LEOs know the truth about this person, and suggest (if it is the case) that this person is a hazard at a scene. While scenes can be busy, maybe a close and personal encounter with a LEO will shut this guy down. If not, a few tickets / arrests for Obstructing a scene might cool his jets. Larry RN, LP, yada, yada ... Houston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 Just my opinion, and it's probably worth less than a cup of coffee, here goes. While I am not sure anything can be done, officially, I have a modest proposal... Assess whether or not he causes problems on a scene. If he is actually useful, let him help. You get an extra pair of hands for a few minutes, he feels good about himself, and everyone has a good day. Some people just are wired different, and he sounds like someone who needs some type of life. Continue monitoring for changes in his behavior. HOWEVER... If he exceeds bounds or starts jumping calls.... Get some pictures of this wannabe and distribute these to the DPS, county sheriffs, local PDs who work the area he frequents (he sounds territorial), and if he drives, maybe some pics of his car, license number, desciption,etc. On a one-on-one basis, let the LEOs know the truth about this person, and suggest (if it is the case) that this person is a hazard at a scene. While scenes can be busy, maybe a close and personal encounter with a LEO will shut this guy down. If not, a few tickets / arrests for Obstructing a scene might cool his jets. Larry RN, LP, yada, yada ... Houston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 Just my 2 cents worth, but I'd be very careful about leting him help. Sounds to like you have an obsessive/compulsive on your hands, and they do not need any encouragemant. , EMT-P Nacogdoches County EMS Re: EMT Impersonator > > Just my opinion, and it's probably worth less than a cup of coffee, here goes. While I am not sure anything can be done, officially, I have a modest proposal... > > Assess whether or not he causes problems on a scene. If he is actually useful, let him help. You get an extra pair of hands for a few minutes, he feels good about himself, and everyone has a good day. > Some people just are wired different, and he sounds like someone who needs some type of life. Continue monitoring for changes in his behavior. > > HOWEVER... If he exceeds bounds or starts jumping calls.... > > Get some pictures of this wannabe and distribute these to the DPS, county sheriffs, local PDs who work the area he frequents (he sounds territorial), and if he drives, maybe some pics of his car, license number, desciption,etc. > > On a one-on-one basis, let the LEOs know the truth about this person, and suggest (if it is the case) that this person is a hazard at a scene. > > While scenes can be busy, maybe a close and personal encounter with a LEO will shut this guy down. If not, a few tickets / arrests for Obstructing a scene might cool his jets. > > Larry RN, LP, yada, yada ... > Houston > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 Just my 2 cents worth, but I'd be very careful about leting him help. Sounds to like you have an obsessive/compulsive on your hands, and they do not need any encouragemant. , EMT-P Nacogdoches County EMS Re: EMT Impersonator > > Just my opinion, and it's probably worth less than a cup of coffee, here goes. While I am not sure anything can be done, officially, I have a modest proposal... > > Assess whether or not he causes problems on a scene. If he is actually useful, let him help. You get an extra pair of hands for a few minutes, he feels good about himself, and everyone has a good day. > Some people just are wired different, and he sounds like someone who needs some type of life. Continue monitoring for changes in his behavior. > > HOWEVER... If he exceeds bounds or starts jumping calls.... > > Get some pictures of this wannabe and distribute these to the DPS, county sheriffs, local PDs who work the area he frequents (he sounds territorial), and if he drives, maybe some pics of his car, license number, desciption,etc. > > On a one-on-one basis, let the LEOs know the truth about this person, and suggest (if it is the case) that this person is a hazard at a scene. > > While scenes can be busy, maybe a close and personal encounter with a LEO will shut this guy down. If not, a few tickets / arrests for Obstructing a scene might cool his jets. > > Larry RN, LP, yada, yada ... > Houston > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 Yea, actually if he wants to " jump a call " I'll let him jump my little call up to Iraq. I'd gladly offer that to him. EMT Impersonator > > > > I've got a question. Where I live there is a young man who constantly > runs around in a TSTC EMS uniform. He was once a student, but has > failed the basic course numerous times. He walks around town with the > shirt and ems pants in addition to that, he wears about 14 pairs of > sisccors, and a glove pouch. Recently there was a funeral in which > several (30-40) police, fire, and ems personel attended. This young > man, made his way onto the grounds, and was walking around amongst > everyone else. (Almost all of the emergency personel were fully > uniformed.) At one point he attempted to make conversation with the > widow, also it looked as though he was trying to sneak a peak at the > body. I can't even believe someone would do such a thing. > Then upon departure for the funeral procession, he was standing on > the corner in a " Secret Service " type pose, with what appeared to be > a cell phone ear piece in his ear (with no cell phone), which was > running down his shirt. Obviously trying to impersonate someone > (Possibly the DPS officer blocking traffic near where he was). There > have been numerous times where he has showed up on scenes, and is > always misleading people to what he is or does. There have also have > been times that he was arrested for trying to arrest someone or > detain some people, I'm not really sure which one. This has been > going on for quite sometime and when I was at the funeral I thought > that this was just totaly uncalled for. Is there anything that can be > done? How much will arresting him really help? This gentleman is not > certified, and I pray to god he never does get certified. So I'm > assuming that this is out of TDH's reach. Anyone have any > suggestions? And have any of you dealt with this kind of thing > before? What happened in thoose instances? Thanks for your help. > > -, EMT-I > > PS: He is NOT associated with any type of EMS, Fire, or Police > orginaization. He holds no certification of any type. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 Yea, actually if he wants to " jump a call " I'll let him jump my little call up to Iraq. I'd gladly offer that to him. EMT Impersonator > > > > I've got a question. Where I live there is a young man who constantly > runs around in a TSTC EMS uniform. He was once a student, but has > failed the basic course numerous times. He walks around town with the > shirt and ems pants in addition to that, he wears about 14 pairs of > sisccors, and a glove pouch. Recently there was a funeral in which > several (30-40) police, fire, and ems personel attended. This young > man, made his way onto the grounds, and was walking around amongst > everyone else. (Almost all of the emergency personel were fully > uniformed.) At one point he attempted to make conversation with the > widow, also it looked as though he was trying to sneak a peak at the > body. I can't even believe someone would do such a thing. > Then upon departure for the funeral procession, he was standing on > the corner in a " Secret Service " type pose, with what appeared to be > a cell phone ear piece in his ear (with no cell phone), which was > running down his shirt. Obviously trying to impersonate someone > (Possibly the DPS officer blocking traffic near where he was). There > have been numerous times where he has showed up on scenes, and is > always misleading people to what he is or does. There have also have > been times that he was arrested for trying to arrest someone or > detain some people, I'm not really sure which one. This has been > going on for quite sometime and when I was at the funeral I thought > that this was just totaly uncalled for. Is there anything that can be > done? How much will arresting him really help? This gentleman is not > certified, and I pray to god he never does get certified. So I'm > assuming that this is out of TDH's reach. Anyone have any > suggestions? And have any of you dealt with this kind of thing > before? What happened in thoose instances? Thanks for your help. > > -, EMT-I > > PS: He is NOT associated with any type of EMS, Fire, or Police > orginaization. He holds no certification of any type. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 I agree one thousand percent. If this dude is helping and he messes something up then we could be liable. By that I mean because we know that he's a nuisance, and possibly an imposter of some sort, I would think that puts the responsibility on the provider. I do like the thing about the " wanted posters " . That's actually a funny idea. A little humiliation goes along way. HAHA That's my two cents and Larry's coffee. Bobby Re: EMT Impersonator > > > > > > Just my opinion, and it's probably worth less than a cup of coffee, here > goes. While I am not sure anything can be done, officially, I have a modest > proposal... > > > > Assess whether or not he causes problems on a scene. If he is actually > useful, let him help. You get an extra pair of hands for a few minutes, he > feels good about himself, and everyone has a good day. > > Some people just are wired different, and he sounds like someone who needs > some type of life. Continue monitoring for changes in his behavior. > > > > HOWEVER... If he exceeds bounds or starts jumping calls.... > > > > Get some pictures of this wannabe and distribute these to the DPS, county > sheriffs, local PDs who work the area he frequents (he sounds territorial), > and if he drives, maybe some pics of his car, license number, > desciption,etc. > > > > On a one-on-one basis, let the LEOs know the truth about this person, and > suggest (if it is the case) that this person is a hazard at a scene. > > > > While scenes can be busy, maybe a close and personal encounter with a LEO > will shut this guy down. If not, a few tickets / arrests for Obstructing a > scene might cool his jets. > > > > Larry RN, LP, yada, yada ... > > Houston > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 I agree one thousand percent. If this dude is helping and he messes something up then we could be liable. By that I mean because we know that he's a nuisance, and possibly an imposter of some sort, I would think that puts the responsibility on the provider. I do like the thing about the " wanted posters " . That's actually a funny idea. A little humiliation goes along way. HAHA That's my two cents and Larry's coffee. Bobby Re: EMT Impersonator > > > > > > Just my opinion, and it's probably worth less than a cup of coffee, here > goes. While I am not sure anything can be done, officially, I have a modest > proposal... > > > > Assess whether or not he causes problems on a scene. If he is actually > useful, let him help. You get an extra pair of hands for a few minutes, he > feels good about himself, and everyone has a good day. > > Some people just are wired different, and he sounds like someone who needs > some type of life. Continue monitoring for changes in his behavior. > > > > HOWEVER... If he exceeds bounds or starts jumping calls.... > > > > Get some pictures of this wannabe and distribute these to the DPS, county > sheriffs, local PDs who work the area he frequents (he sounds territorial), > and if he drives, maybe some pics of his car, license number, > desciption,etc. > > > > On a one-on-one basis, let the LEOs know the truth about this person, and > suggest (if it is the case) that this person is a hazard at a scene. > > > > While scenes can be busy, maybe a close and personal encounter with a LEO > will shut this guy down. If not, a few tickets / arrests for Obstructing a > scene might cool his jets. > > > > Larry RN, LP, yada, yada ... > > Houston > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 -- " Mike , LP " wrote: " That said, I'd keep a close watch on this individual. It's disturbing that the local police won't take an interest, but that could also be because they've had significantly more interactions with him and understand that he's " just a wannabe " and not a threat. " Agreed, this could be an example of 'familiarity breeding contempt " and the minute you dismiss them as 'part of the tapestry', that is when you get bit, and hard. " Gavin DeBecker has a great book that I encourage everyone to read - it's a pretty good introduction into " personal profiling " and training yourself to trust your instincts with regards to people, places and situations of all types... it's called " The Gift of Fear " and I pesonally think that every emergency responder should have to read it, because it teaches you how to trust the hair on the back of your neck, the feeling in your guy, and to react smartly without being in fear. " I read it as part of my Public Safety degree, and second your recommendation. It is a good read, makes you ask youself 'what if ...?' and will help you improve your situational awareness. Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 -- " Mike , LP " wrote: " That said, I'd keep a close watch on this individual. It's disturbing that the local police won't take an interest, but that could also be because they've had significantly more interactions with him and understand that he's " just a wannabe " and not a threat. " Agreed, this could be an example of 'familiarity breeding contempt " and the minute you dismiss them as 'part of the tapestry', that is when you get bit, and hard. " Gavin DeBecker has a great book that I encourage everyone to read - it's a pretty good introduction into " personal profiling " and training yourself to trust your instincts with regards to people, places and situations of all types... it's called " The Gift of Fear " and I pesonally think that every emergency responder should have to read it, because it teaches you how to trust the hair on the back of your neck, the feeling in your guy, and to react smartly without being in fear. " I read it as part of my Public Safety degree, and second your recommendation. It is a good read, makes you ask youself 'what if ...?' and will help you improve your situational awareness. Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 I thought this was the way that we all got into this business...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 I thought this was the way that we all got into this business...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 I thought this was the way that we all got into this business...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 I would dare to say that it might constitute Interference w/ Public Duties if it does not meet statutory requirements of 37.11, Penal Code.. § 38.15. INTERFERENCE WITH PUBLIC DUTIES. (a) A person commits an offense if the person with criminal negligence interrupts, disrupts, impedes, or otherwise interferes with: (1) a peace officer while the peace officer is performing a duty or exercising authority imposed or granted by law; (2) a person who is employed to provide emergency medical services including the transportation of ill or injured persons while the person is performing that duty; (3) a fire fighter, while the fire fighter is fighting a fire or investigating the cause of a fire; Re: EMT Impersonator > --- Laptop wrote: > > Several statutes come to mind here: > > > > § 37.11. IMPERSONATING PUBLIC SERVANT. (a) A person > > commits an offense if he: > > (1) impersonates a public servant with intent to > > induce another to submit to his pretended official authority or to > > rely on his pretended official acts; or > > ( An offense under this section is a felony of the third > > degree. > > Jay has hit this on the head. But, here's the reality of this > situation... > > What he's doing, by your description, is distressing, but not likely > illegal until he actually says or does something " official. " > > I agree with others on here that given his actions/continued presence, > he's either looking to be involved and just not sure how to go about it > (been turned down enough, etc. that he's just trying to " be there " ), OR, > more worrisome, is that's he's mentally unstable. > > Let me be very, very clear - without knowing this person or anything else > about him than the few emails here, I cannot and will not make a > determination of his mental status. Period. > > That said, I'd keep a close watch on this individual. It's disturbing > that the local police won't take an interest, but that could also be > because they've had significantly more interactions with him and > understand that he's " just a wannabe " and not a threat. > > Gavin DeBecker has a great book that I encourage everyone to read - it's a > pretty good introduction into " personal profiling " and training yourself > to trust your instincts with regards to people, places and situations of > all types... it's called " The Gift of Fear " and I pesonally think that > every emergency responder should have to read it, because it teaches you > how to trust the hair on the back of your neck, the feeling in your guy, > and to react smartly without being in fear. > > Mike > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 > ...I do know that he has gone into some of the local bars here trying > to pick up women. Damn! There's a law against that now? Who woulda thunk it? This guy sounds like a nutcase wannabe who may be a threat to your ego. However, I have yet to hear how he realistically presents a legal or operational threat. All this speculative innuendo and conjecture about his intentions isn't helping your case. Mike is (as usual) correct when he observes that LE won't take an interest possibly, " ...because they've had significantly more interactions with him and understand that he's " just a wannabe " and not a threat. " Hassle this guy enough and it may be all it takes to turn him from a wannabe into an enemy. Not a good idea. What exactly is a TSTC EMS uniform, anyhow? Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 My opinion on the situation is that it is possibly another gawker that really wants to be public safety. I personally do not know the situation, however, based on what I have seen- it sounds like he is " call jumping " . I can not stand call jumpers- those who are not in EMS, Fire, Police etc- and chase down calls- and get on scene. It is one more vehicle and one more body to be responsible for. You have enough to look out after your safety and the safety of your patient, crew, etc- without worrying about who I will call " Eddie The EMT-WannaB " ..... TSTC Uniform would, in my guess be a Texas State Technical College EMS Program uniform. Me personally- if I were the cop on scene (and I have done this to call chasers), tell them to get off the scene and watch from somewhere else- OR GO TO JAIL. Unless you are the Public Safety on scene, then you have no business being there- just my 2 cents. Wait till something happens- car blows up, gets ran over by Gertie the Grandma in her Geo- guy gets hurt, etc-- who do you think will get sued first? Probably you and everyone else on scene for not getting him out of there to begin with! J. Hoskins EMT/EMS Instructor Licensed Peace Officer/TCLEOSE Instructor Re: EMT Impersonator > ...I do know that he has gone into some of the local bars here trying > to pick up women. Damn! There's a law against that now? Who woulda thunk it? This guy sounds like a nutcase wannabe who may be a threat to your ego. However, I have yet to hear how he realistically presents a legal or operational threat. All this speculative innuendo and conjecture about his intentions isn't helping your case. Mike is (as usual) correct when he observes that LE won't take an interest possibly, " ...because they've had significantly more interactions with him and understand that he's " just a wannabe " and not a threat. " Hassle this guy enough and it may be all it takes to turn him from a wannabe into an enemy. Not a good idea. What exactly is a TSTC EMS uniform, anyhow? Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 I know!!!! INCUBATE HIM!!!! Cristi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 Not if you incorrectly INCUBATED him.... ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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