EMT Impersonator

[Guest guest]

I've got a question. Where I live there is a young man who constantly

runs around in a TSTC EMS uniform. He was once a student, but has

failed the basic course numerous times. He walks around town with the

shirt and ems pants in addition to that, he wears about 14 pairs of

sisccors, and a glove pouch. Recently there was a funeral in which

several (30-40) police, fire, and ems personel attended. This young

man, made his way onto the grounds, and was walking around amongst

everyone else. (Almost all of the emergency personel were fully

uniformed.) At one point he attempted to make conversation with the

widow, also it looked as though he was trying to sneak a peak at the

body. I can't even believe someone would do such a thing.

Then upon departure for the funeral procession, he was standing on

the corner in a " Secret Service " type pose, with what appeared to be

a cell phone ear piece in his ear (with no cell phone), which was

running down his shirt. Obviously trying to impersonate someone

(Possibly the DPS officer blocking traffic near where he was). There

have been numerous times where he has showed up on scenes, and is

always misleading people to what he is or does. There have also have

been times that he was arrested for trying to arrest someone or

detain some people, I'm not really sure which one. This has been

going on for quite sometime and when I was at the funeral I thought

that this was just totaly uncalled for. Is there anything that can be

done? How much will arresting him really help? This gentleman is not

certified, and I pray to god he never does get certified. So I'm

assuming that this is out of TDH's reach. Anyone have any

suggestions? And have any of you dealt with this kind of thing

before? What happened in thoose instances? Thanks for your help.

-, EMT-I

PS: He is NOT associated with any type of EMS, Fire, or Police

orginaization. He holds no certification of any type.

[Guest guest]

Mike is a good source for this information. I would contact him as

well.

E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP

Midlothian, TX

Re: EMT Impersonator

Good morning, . It sounds like you most definitly have an

impersonater running around. What does he say on scenes, etc? First

all, he has no business there.

Secondly, I don't think that he should be doing this. Several options come

to mind. Even though he is not TDH certified, I do know of a few people

that TDH has went after for representing themselves as EMTs, etc.

Several statutes come to mind here:

§ 37.11. IMPERSONATING PUBLIC SERVANT. (a) A person commits an offense if

he:

(1) impersonates a public servant with intent to induce

another to submit to his pretended official authority or to rely on his

pretended official acts; or

(2) knowingly purports to exercise any function of a public

servant or of a public office, including that of a judge and court, and the

position or office through which he purports to exercise a function of a

public servant or public office has no lawful existence under the

constitution or laws of this state or of the United States.

( An offense under this section is a felony of the third

degree.

§ 37.12. FALSE IDENTIFICATION AS PEACE OFFICER; MISREPRESENTATION OF

PROPERTY. (a) A person commits an offense

if:

(1) the person makes, provides to another person, or

possesses a card, document, badge, insignia, shoulder emblem, or other item

bearing an insignia of a law enforcement agency that identifies a person as

a peace officer or a reserve law enforcement officer; and

(2) the person who makes, provides, or possesses the item

bearing the insignia knows that the person so identified by the item is not

commissioned as a peace officer or reserve law enforcement officer as

indicated on the item.

( It is a defense to prosecution under this section that:

(1) the card, document, badge, insignia, shoulder emblem,

or other item bearing an insignia of a law enforcement agency clearly

identifies the person as an honorary or junior peace officer or reserve law

enforcement officer, or as a member of a junior posse;

(2) the person identified as a peace officer or reserve law

enforcement officer by the item bearing the insignia was commissioned in

that capacity when the item was made; or

(3) the item was used or intended for use exclusively for

decorative purposes or in an artistic or dramatic presentation.

© In this section, " reserve law enforcement officer " has the same

meaning as is given that term in Section 1701.001, Occupations Code.

(d) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally or

knowingly misrepresents an object as property belonging to a law enforcement

agency.

(e) An offense under this section is a Class B misdemeanor.

Added by Acts 1983, 68th Leg., p. 5672, ch. 1075, § 1, eff. Sept.

1, 1983. Amended by Acts 1987, 70th Leg., ch. 514, § 1, eff.

Sept. 1, 1987; Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, § 1.01, eff. Sept.

1, 1994; Acts 2001, 77th Leg., ch. 1420, § 14.831, eff. Sept. 1, 2001.

§ 38.15. INTERFERENCE WITH PUBLIC DUTIES. (a) A person commits an offense

if the person with criminal negligence interrupts, disrupts, impedes, or

otherwise interferes with:

(1) a peace officer while the peace officer is performing a

duty or exercising authority imposed or granted by law;

(2) a person who is employed to provide emergency medical

services including the transportation of ill or injured persons while the

person is performing that duty;

(3) a fire fighter, while the fire fighter is fighting a

fire or investigating the cause of a fire;

(4) an animal under the supervision of a peace officer,

corrections officer, or jailer, if the person knows the animal is being used

for law enforcement, corrections, prison or jail security, or investigative

purposes; or

(5) the transmission of a communication over a citizen's

band radio channel, the purpose of which communication is to inform or

inquire about an emergency.

( An offense under this section is a Class B misdemeanor.

© It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (a)(1) that the

conduct engaged in by the defendant was intended to warn a person operating

a motor vehicle of the presence of a peace officer who was enforcing

Subtitle C, Title 7, Transportation Code.

(d) It is a defense to prosecution under this section that the

interruption, disruption, impediment, or interference alleged consisted of

speech only.

(e) In this section, " emergency " means a condition or circumstance

in which an individual is or is reasonably believed by the person

transmitting the communication to be in imminent danger of serious bodily

injury or in which property is or is reasonably believed by the person

transmitting the communication to be in imminent danger of damage or

destruction.

EMT Impersonator

I've got a question. Where I live there is a young man who constantly

runs around in a TSTC EMS uniform. He was once a student, but has

failed the basic course numerous times. He walks around town with the

shirt and ems pants in addition to that, he wears about 14 pairs of

sisccors, and a glove pouch. Recently there was a funeral in which

several (30-40) police, fire, and ems personel attended. This young

man, made his way onto the grounds, and was walking around amongst

everyone else. (Almost all of the emergency personel were fully

uniformed.) At one point he attempted to make conversation with the

widow, also it looked as though he was trying to sneak a peak at the

body. I can't even believe someone would do such a thing.

Then upon departure for the funeral procession, he was standing on

the corner in a " Secret Service " type pose, with what appeared to be

a cell phone ear piece in his ear (with no cell phone), which was

running down his shirt. Obviously trying to impersonate someone

(Possibly the DPS officer blocking traffic near where he was). There

have been numerous times where he has showed up on scenes, and is

always misleading people to what he is or does. There have also have

been times that he was arrested for trying to arrest someone or

detain some people, I'm not really sure which one. This has been

going on for quite sometime and when I was at the funeral I thought

that this was just totaly uncalled for. Is there anything that can be

done? How much will arresting him really help? This gentleman is not

certified, and I pray to god he never does get certified. So I'm

assuming that this is out of TDH's reach. Anyone have any

suggestions? And have any of you dealt with this kind of thing

before? What happened in thoose instances? Thanks for your help.

-, EMT-I

PS: He is NOT associated with any type of EMS, Fire, or Police

orginaization. He holds no certification of any type.

[Guest guest]

Mike is a good source for this information. I would contact him as

well.

E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP

Midlothian, TX

Re: EMT Impersonator

Good morning, . It sounds like you most definitly have an

impersonater running around. What does he say on scenes, etc? First

all, he has no business there.

Secondly, I don't think that he should be doing this. Several options come

to mind. Even though he is not TDH certified, I do know of a few people

that TDH has went after for representing themselves as EMTs, etc.

Several statutes come to mind here:

§ 37.11. IMPERSONATING PUBLIC SERVANT. (a) A person commits an offense if

he:

(1) impersonates a public servant with intent to induce

another to submit to his pretended official authority or to rely on his

pretended official acts; or

(2) knowingly purports to exercise any function of a public

servant or of a public office, including that of a judge and court, and the

position or office through which he purports to exercise a function of a

public servant or public office has no lawful existence under the

constitution or laws of this state or of the United States.

( An offense under this section is a felony of the third

degree.

§ 37.12. FALSE IDENTIFICATION AS PEACE OFFICER; MISREPRESENTATION OF

PROPERTY. (a) A person commits an offense

if:

(1) the person makes, provides to another person, or

possesses a card, document, badge, insignia, shoulder emblem, or other item

bearing an insignia of a law enforcement agency that identifies a person as

a peace officer or a reserve law enforcement officer; and

(2) the person who makes, provides, or possesses the item

bearing the insignia knows that the person so identified by the item is not

commissioned as a peace officer or reserve law enforcement officer as

indicated on the item.

( It is a defense to prosecution under this section that:

(1) the card, document, badge, insignia, shoulder emblem,

or other item bearing an insignia of a law enforcement agency clearly

identifies the person as an honorary or junior peace officer or reserve law

enforcement officer, or as a member of a junior posse;

(2) the person identified as a peace officer or reserve law

enforcement officer by the item bearing the insignia was commissioned in

that capacity when the item was made; or

(3) the item was used or intended for use exclusively for

decorative purposes or in an artistic or dramatic presentation.

© In this section, " reserve law enforcement officer " has the same

meaning as is given that term in Section 1701.001, Occupations Code.

(d) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally or

knowingly misrepresents an object as property belonging to a law enforcement

agency.

(e) An offense under this section is a Class B misdemeanor.

Added by Acts 1983, 68th Leg., p. 5672, ch. 1075, § 1, eff. Sept.

1, 1983. Amended by Acts 1987, 70th Leg., ch. 514, § 1, eff.

Sept. 1, 1987; Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, § 1.01, eff. Sept.

1, 1994; Acts 2001, 77th Leg., ch. 1420, § 14.831, eff. Sept. 1, 2001.

§ 38.15. INTERFERENCE WITH PUBLIC DUTIES. (a) A person commits an offense

if the person with criminal negligence interrupts, disrupts, impedes, or

otherwise interferes with:

(1) a peace officer while the peace officer is performing a

duty or exercising authority imposed or granted by law;

(2) a person who is employed to provide emergency medical

services including the transportation of ill or injured persons while the

person is performing that duty;

(3) a fire fighter, while the fire fighter is fighting a

fire or investigating the cause of a fire;

(4) an animal under the supervision of a peace officer,

corrections officer, or jailer, if the person knows the animal is being used

for law enforcement, corrections, prison or jail security, or investigative

purposes; or

(5) the transmission of a communication over a citizen's

band radio channel, the purpose of which communication is to inform or

inquire about an emergency.

( An offense under this section is a Class B misdemeanor.

© It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (a)(1) that the

conduct engaged in by the defendant was intended to warn a person operating

a motor vehicle of the presence of a peace officer who was enforcing

Subtitle C, Title 7, Transportation Code.

(d) It is a defense to prosecution under this section that the

interruption, disruption, impediment, or interference alleged consisted of

speech only.

(e) In this section, " emergency " means a condition or circumstance

in which an individual is or is reasonably believed by the person

transmitting the communication to be in imminent danger of serious bodily

injury or in which property is or is reasonably believed by the person

transmitting the communication to be in imminent danger of damage or

destruction.

EMT Impersonator

I've got a question. Where I live there is a young man who constantly

runs around in a TSTC EMS uniform. He was once a student, but has

failed the basic course numerous times. He walks around town with the

shirt and ems pants in addition to that, he wears about 14 pairs of

sisccors, and a glove pouch. Recently there was a funeral in which

several (30-40) police, fire, and ems personel attended. This young

man, made his way onto the grounds, and was walking around amongst

everyone else. (Almost all of the emergency personel were fully

uniformed.) At one point he attempted to make conversation with the

widow, also it looked as though he was trying to sneak a peak at the

body. I can't even believe someone would do such a thing.

Then upon departure for the funeral procession, he was standing on

the corner in a " Secret Service " type pose, with what appeared to be

a cell phone ear piece in his ear (with no cell phone), which was

running down his shirt. Obviously trying to impersonate someone

(Possibly the DPS officer blocking traffic near where he was). There

have been numerous times where he has showed up on scenes, and is

always misleading people to what he is or does. There have also have

been times that he was arrested for trying to arrest someone or

detain some people, I'm not really sure which one. This has been

going on for quite sometime and when I was at the funeral I thought

that this was just totaly uncalled for. Is there anything that can be

done? How much will arresting him really help? This gentleman is not

certified, and I pray to god he never does get certified. So I'm

assuming that this is out of TDH's reach. Anyone have any

suggestions? And have any of you dealt with this kind of thing

before? What happened in thoose instances? Thanks for your help.

-, EMT-I

PS: He is NOT associated with any type of EMS, Fire, or Police

orginaization. He holds no certification of any type.

[Guest guest]

Hello there to....

I know who your talking about. He was on a scene of mine in town a while

back, MVC I think. He never said anything, never offered to help. I had seen

him before so I told the police to remove him, which they actually never

did. I asked the officer about it after the fact and he basically told me

that they were tired of dealing with him, that it would do no good.

I think we should kidnap him and perform some type of torture till he

cracks. (JUST KIDDING)

I would actually say that the TDH would want to know about this dude. In

fact I know that they impose fines on those who impersonate themselves as

certified and have seen the entry in the Texas EMS magazine. Once they

" mark " these people, they can never apply for a certificate or license.

Bobby

Bobby

EMT Impersonator

I've got a question. Where I live there is a young man who constantly

runs around in a TSTC EMS uniform. He was once a student, but has

failed the basic course numerous times. He walks around town with the

shirt and ems pants in addition to that, he wears about 14 pairs of

sisccors, and a glove pouch. Recently there was a funeral in which

several (30-40) police, fire, and ems personel attended. This young

man, made his way onto the grounds, and was walking around amongst

everyone else. (Almost all of the emergency personel were fully

uniformed.) At one point he attempted to make conversation with the

widow, also it looked as though he was trying to sneak a peak at the

body. I can't even believe someone would do such a thing.

Then upon departure for the funeral procession, he was standing on

the corner in a " Secret Service " type pose, with what appeared to be

a cell phone ear piece in his ear (with no cell phone), which was

running down his shirt. Obviously trying to impersonate someone

(Possibly the DPS officer blocking traffic near where he was). There

have been numerous times where he has showed up on scenes, and is

always misleading people to what he is or does. There have also have

been times that he was arrested for trying to arrest someone or

detain some people, I'm not really sure which one. This has been

going on for quite sometime and when I was at the funeral I thought

that this was just totaly uncalled for. Is there anything that can be

done? How much will arresting him really help? This gentleman is not

certified, and I pray to god he never does get certified. So I'm

assuming that this is out of TDH's reach. Anyone have any

suggestions? And have any of you dealt with this kind of thing

before? What happened in thoose instances? Thanks for your help.

-, EMT-I

PS: He is NOT associated with any type of EMS, Fire, or Police

orginaization. He holds no certification of any type.

[Guest guest]

Hello there to....

I know who your talking about. He was on a scene of mine in town a while

back, MVC I think. He never said anything, never offered to help. I had seen

him before so I told the police to remove him, which they actually never

did. I asked the officer about it after the fact and he basically told me

that they were tired of dealing with him, that it would do no good.

I think we should kidnap him and perform some type of torture till he

cracks. (JUST KIDDING)

I would actually say that the TDH would want to know about this dude. In

fact I know that they impose fines on those who impersonate themselves as

certified and have seen the entry in the Texas EMS magazine. Once they

" mark " these people, they can never apply for a certificate or license.

Bobby

Bobby

EMT Impersonator

I've got a question. Where I live there is a young man who constantly

runs around in a TSTC EMS uniform. He was once a student, but has

failed the basic course numerous times. He walks around town with the

shirt and ems pants in addition to that, he wears about 14 pairs of

sisccors, and a glove pouch. Recently there was a funeral in which

several (30-40) police, fire, and ems personel attended. This young

man, made his way onto the grounds, and was walking around amongst

everyone else. (Almost all of the emergency personel were fully

uniformed.) At one point he attempted to make conversation with the

widow, also it looked as though he was trying to sneak a peak at the

body. I can't even believe someone would do such a thing.

Then upon departure for the funeral procession, he was standing on

the corner in a " Secret Service " type pose, with what appeared to be

a cell phone ear piece in his ear (with no cell phone), which was

running down his shirt. Obviously trying to impersonate someone

(Possibly the DPS officer blocking traffic near where he was). There

have been numerous times where he has showed up on scenes, and is

always misleading people to what he is or does. There have also have

been times that he was arrested for trying to arrest someone or

detain some people, I'm not really sure which one. This has been

going on for quite sometime and when I was at the funeral I thought

that this was just totaly uncalled for. Is there anything that can be

done? How much will arresting him really help? This gentleman is not

certified, and I pray to god he never does get certified. So I'm

assuming that this is out of TDH's reach. Anyone have any

suggestions? And have any of you dealt with this kind of thing

before? What happened in thoose instances? Thanks for your help.

-, EMT-I

PS: He is NOT associated with any type of EMS, Fire, or Police

orginaization. He holds no certification of any type.

[Guest guest]

Hello there to....

I know who your talking about. He was on a scene of mine in town a while

back, MVC I think. He never said anything, never offered to help. I had seen

him before so I told the police to remove him, which they actually never

did. I asked the officer about it after the fact and he basically told me

that they were tired of dealing with him, that it would do no good.

I think we should kidnap him and perform some type of torture till he

cracks. (JUST KIDDING)

I would actually say that the TDH would want to know about this dude. In

fact I know that they impose fines on those who impersonate themselves as

certified and have seen the entry in the Texas EMS magazine. Once they

" mark " these people, they can never apply for a certificate or license.

Bobby

Bobby

EMT Impersonator

I've got a question. Where I live there is a young man who constantly

runs around in a TSTC EMS uniform. He was once a student, but has

failed the basic course numerous times. He walks around town with the

shirt and ems pants in addition to that, he wears about 14 pairs of

sisccors, and a glove pouch. Recently there was a funeral in which

several (30-40) police, fire, and ems personel attended. This young

man, made his way onto the grounds, and was walking around amongst

everyone else. (Almost all of the emergency personel were fully

uniformed.) At one point he attempted to make conversation with the

widow, also it looked as though he was trying to sneak a peak at the

body. I can't even believe someone would do such a thing.

Then upon departure for the funeral procession, he was standing on

the corner in a " Secret Service " type pose, with what appeared to be

a cell phone ear piece in his ear (with no cell phone), which was

running down his shirt. Obviously trying to impersonate someone

(Possibly the DPS officer blocking traffic near where he was). There

have been numerous times where he has showed up on scenes, and is

always misleading people to what he is or does. There have also have

been times that he was arrested for trying to arrest someone or

detain some people, I'm not really sure which one. This has been

going on for quite sometime and when I was at the funeral I thought

that this was just totaly uncalled for. Is there anything that can be

done? How much will arresting him really help? This gentleman is not

certified, and I pray to god he never does get certified. So I'm

assuming that this is out of TDH's reach. Anyone have any

suggestions? And have any of you dealt with this kind of thing

before? What happened in thoose instances? Thanks for your help.

-, EMT-I

PS: He is NOT associated with any type of EMS, Fire, or Police

orginaization. He holds no certification of any type.

[Guest guest]

Just my opinion, and it's probably worth less than a cup of coffee, here goes.

While I am not sure anything can be done, officially, I have a modest

proposal...

Assess whether or not he causes problems on a scene. If he is actually useful,

let him help. You get an extra pair of hands for a few minutes, he feels good

about himself, and everyone has a good day.

Some people just are wired different, and he sounds like someone who needs some

type of life. Continue monitoring for changes in his behavior.

HOWEVER... If he exceeds bounds or starts jumping calls....

Get some pictures of this wannabe and distribute these to the DPS, county

sheriffs, local PDs who work the area he frequents (he sounds territorial), and

if he drives, maybe some pics of his car, license number, desciption,etc.

On a one-on-one basis, let the LEOs know the truth about this person, and

suggest (if it is the case) that this person is a hazard at a scene.

While scenes can be busy, maybe a close and personal encounter with a LEO will

shut this guy down. If not, a few tickets / arrests for Obstructing a scene

might cool his jets.

Larry RN, LP, yada, yada ...

Houston

[Guest guest]

Just my opinion, and it's probably worth less than a cup of coffee, here goes.

While I am not sure anything can be done, officially, I have a modest

proposal...

Assess whether or not he causes problems on a scene. If he is actually useful,

let him help. You get an extra pair of hands for a few minutes, he feels good

about himself, and everyone has a good day.

Some people just are wired different, and he sounds like someone who needs some

type of life. Continue monitoring for changes in his behavior.

HOWEVER... If he exceeds bounds or starts jumping calls....

Get some pictures of this wannabe and distribute these to the DPS, county

sheriffs, local PDs who work the area he frequents (he sounds territorial), and

if he drives, maybe some pics of his car, license number, desciption,etc.

On a one-on-one basis, let the LEOs know the truth about this person, and

suggest (if it is the case) that this person is a hazard at a scene.

While scenes can be busy, maybe a close and personal encounter with a LEO will

shut this guy down. If not, a few tickets / arrests for Obstructing a scene

might cool his jets.

Larry RN, LP, yada, yada ...

Houston

[Guest guest]

Just my opinion, and it's probably worth less than a cup of coffee, here goes.

While I am not sure anything can be done, officially, I have a modest

proposal...

Assess whether or not he causes problems on a scene. If he is actually useful,

let him help. You get an extra pair of hands for a few minutes, he feels good

about himself, and everyone has a good day.

Some people just are wired different, and he sounds like someone who needs some

type of life. Continue monitoring for changes in his behavior.

HOWEVER... If he exceeds bounds or starts jumping calls....

Get some pictures of this wannabe and distribute these to the DPS, county

sheriffs, local PDs who work the area he frequents (he sounds territorial), and

if he drives, maybe some pics of his car, license number, desciption,etc.

On a one-on-one basis, let the LEOs know the truth about this person, and

suggest (if it is the case) that this person is a hazard at a scene.

While scenes can be busy, maybe a close and personal encounter with a LEO will

shut this guy down. If not, a few tickets / arrests for Obstructing a scene

might cool his jets.

Larry RN, LP, yada, yada ...

Houston

[Guest guest]

Just my 2 cents worth, but I'd be very careful about leting him help.

Sounds to like you have an obsessive/compulsive on your hands, and they do

not need any encouragemant.

, EMT-P

Nacogdoches County EMS

Re: EMT Impersonator

>

> Just my opinion, and it's probably worth less than a cup of coffee, here

goes. While I am not sure anything can be done, officially, I have a modest

proposal...

>

> Assess whether or not he causes problems on a scene. If he is actually

useful, let him help. You get an extra pair of hands for a few minutes, he

feels good about himself, and everyone has a good day.

> Some people just are wired different, and he sounds like someone who needs

some type of life. Continue monitoring for changes in his behavior.

>

> HOWEVER... If he exceeds bounds or starts jumping calls....

>

> Get some pictures of this wannabe and distribute these to the DPS, county

sheriffs, local PDs who work the area he frequents (he sounds territorial),

and if he drives, maybe some pics of his car, license number,

desciption,etc.

>

> On a one-on-one basis, let the LEOs know the truth about this person, and

suggest (if it is the case) that this person is a hazard at a scene.

>

> While scenes can be busy, maybe a close and personal encounter with a LEO

will shut this guy down. If not, a few tickets / arrests for Obstructing a

scene might cool his jets.

>

> Larry RN, LP, yada, yada ...

> Houston

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Just my 2 cents worth, but I'd be very careful about leting him help.

Sounds to like you have an obsessive/compulsive on your hands, and they do

not need any encouragemant.

, EMT-P

Nacogdoches County EMS

Re: EMT Impersonator

>

> Just my opinion, and it's probably worth less than a cup of coffee, here

goes. While I am not sure anything can be done, officially, I have a modest

proposal...

>

> Assess whether or not he causes problems on a scene. If he is actually

useful, let him help. You get an extra pair of hands for a few minutes, he

feels good about himself, and everyone has a good day.

> Some people just are wired different, and he sounds like someone who needs

some type of life. Continue monitoring for changes in his behavior.

>

> HOWEVER... If he exceeds bounds or starts jumping calls....

>

> Get some pictures of this wannabe and distribute these to the DPS, county

sheriffs, local PDs who work the area he frequents (he sounds territorial),

and if he drives, maybe some pics of his car, license number,

desciption,etc.

>

> On a one-on-one basis, let the LEOs know the truth about this person, and

suggest (if it is the case) that this person is a hazard at a scene.

>

> While scenes can be busy, maybe a close and personal encounter with a LEO

will shut this guy down. If not, a few tickets / arrests for Obstructing a

scene might cool his jets.

>

> Larry RN, LP, yada, yada ...

> Houston

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yea, actually if he wants to " jump a call " I'll let him jump my little call

up to Iraq. I'd gladly offer that to him.

EMT Impersonator

>

>

>

> I've got a question. Where I live there is a young man who

constantly

> runs around in a TSTC EMS uniform. He was once a student, but has

> failed the basic course numerous times. He walks around town with

the

> shirt and ems pants in addition to that, he wears about 14 pairs

of

> sisccors, and a glove pouch. Recently there was a funeral in which

> several (30-40) police, fire, and ems personel attended. This

young

> man, made his way onto the grounds, and was walking around amongst

> everyone else. (Almost all of the emergency personel were fully

> uniformed.) At one point he attempted to make conversation with

the

> widow, also it looked as though he was trying to sneak a peak at

the

> body. I can't even believe someone would do such a thing.

> Then upon departure for the funeral procession, he was standing on

> the corner in a " Secret Service " type pose, with what appeared to

be

> a cell phone ear piece in his ear (with no cell phone), which was

> running down his shirt. Obviously trying to impersonate someone

> (Possibly the DPS officer blocking traffic near where he was).

There

> have been numerous times where he has showed up on scenes, and is

> always misleading people to what he is or does. There have also

have

> been times that he was arrested for trying to arrest someone or

> detain some people, I'm not really sure which one. This has been

> going on for quite sometime and when I was at the funeral I

thought

> that this was just totaly uncalled for. Is there anything that

can be

> done? How much will arresting him really help? This gentleman is

not

> certified, and I pray to god he never does get certified. So I'm

> assuming that this is out of TDH's reach. Anyone have any

> suggestions? And have any of you dealt with this kind of thing

> before? What happened in thoose instances? Thanks for your help.

>

> -, EMT-I

>

> PS: He is NOT associated with any type of EMS, Fire, or Police

> orginaization. He holds no certification of any type.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yea, actually if he wants to " jump a call " I'll let him jump my little call

up to Iraq. I'd gladly offer that to him.

EMT Impersonator

>

>

>

> I've got a question. Where I live there is a young man who

constantly

> runs around in a TSTC EMS uniform. He was once a student, but has

> failed the basic course numerous times. He walks around town with

the

> shirt and ems pants in addition to that, he wears about 14 pairs

of

> sisccors, and a glove pouch. Recently there was a funeral in which

> several (30-40) police, fire, and ems personel attended. This

young

> man, made his way onto the grounds, and was walking around amongst

> everyone else. (Almost all of the emergency personel were fully

> uniformed.) At one point he attempted to make conversation with

the

> widow, also it looked as though he was trying to sneak a peak at

the

> body. I can't even believe someone would do such a thing.

> Then upon departure for the funeral procession, he was standing on

> the corner in a " Secret Service " type pose, with what appeared to

be

> a cell phone ear piece in his ear (with no cell phone), which was

> running down his shirt. Obviously trying to impersonate someone

> (Possibly the DPS officer blocking traffic near where he was).

There

> have been numerous times where he has showed up on scenes, and is

> always misleading people to what he is or does. There have also

have

> been times that he was arrested for trying to arrest someone or

> detain some people, I'm not really sure which one. This has been

> going on for quite sometime and when I was at the funeral I

thought

> that this was just totaly uncalled for. Is there anything that

can be

> done? How much will arresting him really help? This gentleman is

not

> certified, and I pray to god he never does get certified. So I'm

> assuming that this is out of TDH's reach. Anyone have any

> suggestions? And have any of you dealt with this kind of thing

> before? What happened in thoose instances? Thanks for your help.

>

> -, EMT-I

>

> PS: He is NOT associated with any type of EMS, Fire, or Police

> orginaization. He holds no certification of any type.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree one thousand percent. If this dude is helping and he messes

something up then we could be liable. By that I mean because we know that

he's a nuisance, and possibly an imposter of some sort, I would think that

puts the responsibility on the provider. I do like the thing about the

" wanted posters " . That's actually a funny idea. A little humiliation goes

along way. HAHA That's my two cents and Larry's coffee.

Bobby

Re: EMT Impersonator

>

>

> >

> > Just my opinion, and it's probably worth less than a cup of coffee,

here

> goes. While I am not sure anything can be done, officially, I have a

modest

> proposal...

> >

> > Assess whether or not he causes problems on a scene. If he is actually

> useful, let him help. You get an extra pair of hands for a few minutes,

he

> feels good about himself, and everyone has a good day.

> > Some people just are wired different, and he sounds like someone who

needs

> some type of life. Continue monitoring for changes in his behavior.

> >

> > HOWEVER... If he exceeds bounds or starts jumping calls....

> >

> > Get some pictures of this wannabe and distribute these to the DPS,

county

> sheriffs, local PDs who work the area he frequents (he sounds

territorial),

> and if he drives, maybe some pics of his car, license number,

> desciption,etc.

> >

> > On a one-on-one basis, let the LEOs know the truth about this person,

and

> suggest (if it is the case) that this person is a hazard at a scene.

> >

> > While scenes can be busy, maybe a close and personal encounter with a

LEO

> will shut this guy down. If not, a few tickets / arrests for Obstructing a

> scene might cool his jets.

> >

> > Larry RN, LP, yada, yada ...

> > Houston

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I agree one thousand percent. If this dude is helping and he messes

something up then we could be liable. By that I mean because we know that

he's a nuisance, and possibly an imposter of some sort, I would think that

puts the responsibility on the provider. I do like the thing about the

" wanted posters " . That's actually a funny idea. A little humiliation goes

along way. HAHA That's my two cents and Larry's coffee.

Bobby

Re: EMT Impersonator

>

>

> >

> > Just my opinion, and it's probably worth less than a cup of coffee,

here

> goes. While I am not sure anything can be done, officially, I have a

modest

> proposal...

> >

> > Assess whether or not he causes problems on a scene. If he is actually

> useful, let him help. You get an extra pair of hands for a few minutes,

he

> feels good about himself, and everyone has a good day.

> > Some people just are wired different, and he sounds like someone who

needs

> some type of life. Continue monitoring for changes in his behavior.

> >

> > HOWEVER... If he exceeds bounds or starts jumping calls....

> >

> > Get some pictures of this wannabe and distribute these to the DPS,

county

> sheriffs, local PDs who work the area he frequents (he sounds

territorial),

> and if he drives, maybe some pics of his car, license number,

> desciption,etc.

> >

> > On a one-on-one basis, let the LEOs know the truth about this person,

and

> suggest (if it is the case) that this person is a hazard at a scene.

> >

> > While scenes can be busy, maybe a close and personal encounter with a

LEO

> will shut this guy down. If not, a few tickets / arrests for Obstructing a

> scene might cool his jets.

> >

> > Larry RN, LP, yada, yada ...

> > Houston

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

-- " Mike , LP " wrote:

" That said, I'd keep a close watch on this individual. It's disturbing

that the local police won't take an interest, but that could also be

because they've had significantly more interactions with him and

understand that he's " just a wannabe " and not a threat. "

Agreed, this could be an example of 'familiarity breeding contempt " and the

minute you dismiss them as 'part of the tapestry', that is when you get bit, and

hard.

" Gavin DeBecker has a great book that I encourage everyone to read - it's a

pretty good introduction into " personal profiling " and training yourself to

trust your instincts with regards to people, places and situations of all

types... it's called " The Gift of Fear " and I pesonally think that every

emergency responder should have to read it, because it teaches you how to trust

the hair on the back of your neck, the feeling in your guy, and to react smartly

without being in fear. "

I read it as part of my Public Safety degree, and second your recommendation. It

is a good read, makes you ask youself 'what if ...?' and will help you improve

your situational awareness.

Larry

[Guest guest]

-- " Mike , LP " wrote:

" That said, I'd keep a close watch on this individual. It's disturbing

that the local police won't take an interest, but that could also be

because they've had significantly more interactions with him and

understand that he's " just a wannabe " and not a threat. "

Agreed, this could be an example of 'familiarity breeding contempt " and the

minute you dismiss them as 'part of the tapestry', that is when you get bit, and

hard.

" Gavin DeBecker has a great book that I encourage everyone to read - it's a

pretty good introduction into " personal profiling " and training yourself to

trust your instincts with regards to people, places and situations of all

types... it's called " The Gift of Fear " and I pesonally think that every

emergency responder should have to read it, because it teaches you how to trust

the hair on the back of your neck, the feeling in your guy, and to react smartly

without being in fear. "

I read it as part of my Public Safety degree, and second your recommendation. It

is a good read, makes you ask youself 'what if ...?' and will help you improve

your situational awareness.

Larry

[Guest guest]

I thought this was the way that we all got into this business......

[Guest guest]

I thought this was the way that we all got into this business......

[Guest guest]

I thought this was the way that we all got into this business......

[Guest guest]

I would dare to say that it might constitute Interference w/ Public Duties

if it does not meet statutory requirements of 37.11, Penal Code..

§ 38.15. INTERFERENCE WITH PUBLIC DUTIES. (a) A

person commits an offense if the person with criminal negligence

interrupts, disrupts, impedes, or otherwise interferes with:

(1) a peace officer while the peace officer is

performing a duty or exercising authority imposed or granted by

law;

(2) a person who is employed to provide emergency

medical services including the transportation of ill or injured

persons while the person is performing that duty;

(3) a fire fighter, while the fire fighter is fighting

a fire or investigating the cause of a fire;

Re: EMT Impersonator

> --- Laptop wrote:

> > Several statutes come to mind here:

> >

> > § 37.11. IMPERSONATING PUBLIC SERVANT. (a) A person

> > commits an offense if he:

> > (1) impersonates a public servant with intent to

> > induce another to submit to his pretended official authority or to

> > rely on his pretended official acts; or

> > ( An offense under this section is a felony of the third

> > degree.

>

> Jay has hit this on the head. But, here's the reality of this

> situation...

>

> What he's doing, by your description, is distressing, but not likely

> illegal until he actually says or does something " official. "

>

> I agree with others on here that given his actions/continued presence,

> he's either looking to be involved and just not sure how to go about it

> (been turned down enough, etc. that he's just trying to " be there " ), OR,

> more worrisome, is that's he's mentally unstable.

>

> Let me be very, very clear - without knowing this person or anything else

> about him than the few emails here, I cannot and will not make a

> determination of his mental status. Period.

>

> That said, I'd keep a close watch on this individual. It's disturbing

> that the local police won't take an interest, but that could also be

> because they've had significantly more interactions with him and

> understand that he's " just a wannabe " and not a threat.

>

> Gavin DeBecker has a great book that I encourage everyone to read - it's a

> pretty good introduction into " personal profiling " and training yourself

> to trust your instincts with regards to people, places and situations of

> all types... it's called " The Gift of Fear " and I pesonally think that

> every emergency responder should have to read it, because it teaches you

> how to trust the hair on the back of your neck, the feeling in your guy,

> and to react smartly without being in fear.

>

> Mike

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

> ...I do know that he has gone into some of the local bars here trying

> to pick up women.

Damn! There's a law against that now? Who woulda thunk it?

This guy sounds like a nutcase wannabe who may be a threat to your ego.

However, I have yet to hear how he realistically presents a legal or

operational threat. All this speculative innuendo and conjecture about his

intentions isn't helping your case.

Mike is (as usual) correct when he observes that LE won't take an

interest possibly, " ...because they've had significantly more interactions

with him and understand that he's " just a wannabe " and not a threat. "

Hassle this guy enough and it may be all it takes to turn him from a wannabe

into an enemy. Not a good idea.

What exactly is a TSTC EMS uniform, anyhow?

Rob

[Guest guest]

My opinion on the situation is that it is possibly another gawker that really

wants to be public safety. I personally do not know the situation, however,

based on what I have seen- it sounds like he is " call jumping " . I can not

stand call jumpers- those who are not in EMS, Fire, Police etc- and chase down

calls- and get on scene. It is one more vehicle and one more body to be

responsible for. You have enough to look out after your safety and the safety

of your patient, crew, etc- without worrying about who I will call " Eddie The

EMT-WannaB " ..... TSTC Uniform would, in my guess be a Texas State Technical

College EMS Program uniform.

Me personally- if I were the cop on scene (and I have done this to call

chasers), tell them to get off the scene and watch from somewhere else- OR GO TO

JAIL. Unless you are the Public Safety on scene, then you have no business

being there- just my 2 cents.

Wait till something happens- car blows up, gets ran over by Gertie the Grandma

in her Geo- guy gets hurt, etc-- who do you think will get sued first?

Probably you and everyone else on scene for not getting him out of there to

begin with!

J. Hoskins

EMT/EMS Instructor

Licensed Peace Officer/TCLEOSE Instructor

Re: EMT Impersonator

> ...I do know that he has gone into some of the local bars here trying

> to pick up women.

Damn! There's a law against that now? Who woulda thunk it?

This guy sounds like a nutcase wannabe who may be a threat to your ego.

However, I have yet to hear how he realistically presents a legal or

operational threat. All this speculative innuendo and conjecture about his

intentions isn't helping your case.

Mike is (as usual) correct when he observes that LE won't take an

interest possibly, " ...because they've had significantly more interactions

with him and understand that he's " just a wannabe " and not a threat. "

Hassle this guy enough and it may be all it takes to turn him from a wannabe

into an enemy. Not a good idea.

What exactly is a TSTC EMS uniform, anyhow?

Rob

[Guest guest]

I know!!!!

INCUBATE HIM!!!!

Cristi

[Guest guest]

Not if you incorrectly INCUBATED him....

;-)