EMT Impersonator

[Guest guest]

If you feed a stray, it comes back for more.

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From: Mike , LP

Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 11:41 AM

To:

Subject: Re: Re: EMT Impersonator

--- Rob wrote:

> Mike is (as usual) correct when he observes that LE won't take an

> interest possibly, " ...because they've had significantly more

> interactions

> with him and understand that he's " just a wannabe " and not a threat. "

> Hassle this guy enough and it may be all it takes to turn him from a

> wannabe into an enemy. Not a good idea.

Well thanks, Rob! FWIW, it's probably got a lot to do with my political

leanings and background... you don't meet too many Liberterian police

officers. Then again, I consider it a source of pride to both enforce the

laws *AND* uphold the constitution of this great State and of our nation.

Too many cops get off on the enforce the laws part of the job and forget

about the rest of it... although I can hear the die-hard liberals and

conservatives groaning at me already!

With regards to all sorts of problem people - avoiding them is usually a

good way to get rid of them. They find someone who reacts more to their

liking at their presence, actions, etc... and attach to them instead.

Mike

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

> Not any more people are getting a higher education now and actually

apply for jobs instead of hanging around the funeral home hoping to

catch a ride.

Whoa! I just had a serious flashback!

Rob

[Guest guest]

> Not any more people are getting a higher education now and actually

apply for jobs instead of hanging around the funeral home hoping to

catch a ride.

Whoa! I just had a serious flashback!

Rob

[Guest guest]

> Not any more people are getting a higher education now and actually

apply for jobs instead of hanging around the funeral home hoping to

catch a ride.

Whoa! I just had a serious flashback!

Rob

[Guest guest]

Also could be prosecuted under Penal Code- Impersonating Public Servant.

Re: EMT Impersonator

,

There's no doubt that your scene jumper is impersonating an EMT. The

TSTC EMS uniform certainly gives that impression to the public-

whether on an EMS scene or at Taco Bell, he looks like an EMT. He

may have some argument or defense if the TSTC uniform is the " EMS

Student " uniform, but if any patch or insignia reads " Emergency

Medical Service " he is representing himself as such. You say your

imposter has also verbally identified himself as an EMT. I suppose

anyone can wear the pants with scissors, but the patches have got to

go.

Here's the rule on impersonating EMS:

Health and Safety Code, Chapter 773.064. CRIMINAL PENALTIES.

(a) A person commits an offense if the person knowingly practices

as, attempts to practice as, or represents himself to be an

emergency medical technician-paramedic, emergency medical technician-

intermediate, emergency medical technician, emergency care

attendant, or licensed paramedic and the person does not hold an

appropriate certificate issued by the department under this chapter.

An offense under this subsection is a Class A misdemeanor.

(HSC 773.003 also identifies " Emergency Medical Services

personnel as those listed above, so simply wearing a generic EMS

insignia would constitute the same)

You could compose a " cease and desist " letter to this individual,

and include a copy of the HSC Chapter. If you prefer to present the

problem to your local law enforcement, I would submit it in writing,

and include a copy of the rule so they'll know what they can arrest

him for.

I would not tolerate his presence on any scene wearing a uniform or

otherwise representing himself as EMS. As far as whether his

presence constitutes interference with your duties- that is entirely

up to you. You and other emergency personnel have privileged access

to that scene. You may grant or deny access to others (citizens/

bystanders) if they are helpful to you and don't interfere.

We've got a local " wannabe " around here. He rides an ATV 4-wheeler

with lights & a siren, but only around his property & not on public

roadways. At the HS football games, he and a buddy run around with

walkie-talkies pretending to be secret agents or something. I find

that to be pretty wierd, but harmless.

For awhile, another local was showing up at accident scenes. He

wanted to be helpful, and never interfered, so I didn't say anything

to him- until one night he walked into a patient's residence and

stated " I'm with them " (us). I explained the " privileged access "

thing to him, and he hasn't done it again.

Good luck,

Ron

>

> I've got a question. Where I live there is a young man who

constantly

> runs around in a TSTC EMS uniform. He was once a student, but has

> failed the basic course numerous times. He walks around town with

the

> shirt and ems pants in addition to that, he wears about 14 pairs

of

> sisccors, and a glove pouch. Recently there was a funeral in which

> several (30-40) police, fire, and ems personel attended. This

young

> man, made his way onto the grounds, and was walking around amongst

> everyone else. (Almost all of the emergency personel were fully

> uniformed.) At one point he attempted to make conversation with

the

> widow, also it looked as though he was trying to sneak a peak at

the

> body. I can't even believe someone would do such a thing.

> Then upon departure for the funeral procession, he was standing

on

> the corner in a " Secret Service " type pose, with what appeared to

be

> a cell phone ear piece in his ear (with no cell phone), which was

> running down his shirt. Obviously trying to impersonate someone

> (Possibly the DPS officer blocking traffic near where he was).

There

> have been numerous times where he has showed up on scenes, and is

> always misleading people to what he is or does. There have also

have

> been times that he was arrested for trying to arrest someone or

> detain some people, I'm not really sure which one. This has been

> going on for quite sometime and when I was at the funeral I

thought

> that this was just totaly uncalled for. Is there anything that can

be

> done? How much will arresting him really help? This gentleman is

not

> certified, and I pray to god he never does get certified. So I'm

> assuming that this is out of TDH's reach. Anyone have any

> suggestions? And have any of you dealt with this kind of thing

> before? What happened in thoose instances? Thanks for your help.

>

> -, EMT-I

>

> PS: He is NOT associated with any type of EMS, Fire, or Police

> orginaization. He holds no certification of any type.

[Guest guest]

Also could be prosecuted under Penal Code- Impersonating Public Servant.

Re: EMT Impersonator

,

There's no doubt that your scene jumper is impersonating an EMT. The

TSTC EMS uniform certainly gives that impression to the public-

whether on an EMS scene or at Taco Bell, he looks like an EMT. He

may have some argument or defense if the TSTC uniform is the " EMS

Student " uniform, but if any patch or insignia reads " Emergency

Medical Service " he is representing himself as such. You say your

imposter has also verbally identified himself as an EMT. I suppose

anyone can wear the pants with scissors, but the patches have got to

go.

Here's the rule on impersonating EMS:

Health and Safety Code, Chapter 773.064. CRIMINAL PENALTIES.

(a) A person commits an offense if the person knowingly practices

as, attempts to practice as, or represents himself to be an

emergency medical technician-paramedic, emergency medical technician-

intermediate, emergency medical technician, emergency care

attendant, or licensed paramedic and the person does not hold an

appropriate certificate issued by the department under this chapter.

An offense under this subsection is a Class A misdemeanor.

(HSC 773.003 also identifies " Emergency Medical Services

personnel as those listed above, so simply wearing a generic EMS

insignia would constitute the same)

You could compose a " cease and desist " letter to this individual,

and include a copy of the HSC Chapter. If you prefer to present the

problem to your local law enforcement, I would submit it in writing,

and include a copy of the rule so they'll know what they can arrest

him for.

I would not tolerate his presence on any scene wearing a uniform or

otherwise representing himself as EMS. As far as whether his

presence constitutes interference with your duties- that is entirely

up to you. You and other emergency personnel have privileged access

to that scene. You may grant or deny access to others (citizens/

bystanders) if they are helpful to you and don't interfere.

We've got a local " wannabe " around here. He rides an ATV 4-wheeler

with lights & a siren, but only around his property & not on public

roadways. At the HS football games, he and a buddy run around with

walkie-talkies pretending to be secret agents or something. I find

that to be pretty wierd, but harmless.

For awhile, another local was showing up at accident scenes. He

wanted to be helpful, and never interfered, so I didn't say anything

to him- until one night he walked into a patient's residence and

stated " I'm with them " (us). I explained the " privileged access "

thing to him, and he hasn't done it again.

Good luck,

Ron

>

> I've got a question. Where I live there is a young man who

constantly

> runs around in a TSTC EMS uniform. He was once a student, but has

> failed the basic course numerous times. He walks around town with

the

> shirt and ems pants in addition to that, he wears about 14 pairs

of

> sisccors, and a glove pouch. Recently there was a funeral in which

> several (30-40) police, fire, and ems personel attended. This

young

> man, made his way onto the grounds, and was walking around amongst

> everyone else. (Almost all of the emergency personel were fully

> uniformed.) At one point he attempted to make conversation with

the

> widow, also it looked as though he was trying to sneak a peak at

the

> body. I can't even believe someone would do such a thing.

> Then upon departure for the funeral procession, he was standing

on

> the corner in a " Secret Service " type pose, with what appeared to

be

> a cell phone ear piece in his ear (with no cell phone), which was

> running down his shirt. Obviously trying to impersonate someone

> (Possibly the DPS officer blocking traffic near where he was).

There

> have been numerous times where he has showed up on scenes, and is

> always misleading people to what he is or does. There have also

have

> been times that he was arrested for trying to arrest someone or

> detain some people, I'm not really sure which one. This has been

> going on for quite sometime and when I was at the funeral I

thought

> that this was just totaly uncalled for. Is there anything that can

be

> done? How much will arresting him really help? This gentleman is

not

> certified, and I pray to god he never does get certified. So I'm

> assuming that this is out of TDH's reach. Anyone have any

> suggestions? And have any of you dealt with this kind of thing

> before? What happened in thoose instances? Thanks for your help.

>

> -, EMT-I

>

> PS: He is NOT associated with any type of EMS, Fire, or Police

> orginaization. He holds no certification of any type.

[Guest guest]

,

This guy needs to be reported and stopped. He is dangerous. If he is

impersonating EMS personnel then he also may be providing care to unsuspecting

people. I'd hate to think what harm he could cause out there. Unlike police

impersonators, in this line of work he can do some real harm. Suppose he is out

there giving meds out or misdiagnosing real medical emergencies and someone dies

from his treatment. Not to mention what happens when he shows up and talks a

patient into not calling an ambulance because he is there and will " save the

day " ? I prescribe two treatments for him 1. have him arrested before he kills

someone and 2. psychological evaluation that a person like this needs. Also, as

a funeral service provider, any time you have a problem with someone like him at

a funeral, just contact the funeral director in charge as they have a

responsibility to the family they serve. They WILL handle it.

Jim Higginbotham EMT-B

Re: EMT Impersonator

,

There's no doubt that your scene jumper is impersonating an EMT. The

TSTC EMS uniform certainly gives that impression to the public-

whether on an EMS scene or at Taco Bell, he looks like an EMT. He

may have some argument or defense if the TSTC uniform is the " EMS

Student " uniform, but if any patch or insignia reads " Emergency

Medical Service " he is representing himself as such. You say your

imposter has also verbally identified himself as an EMT. I suppose

anyone can wear the pants with scissors, but the patches have got to

go.

Here's the rule on impersonating EMS:

Health and Safety Code, Chapter 773.064. CRIMINAL PENALTIES.

(a) A person commits an offense if the person knowingly practices

as, attempts to practice as, or represents himself to be an

emergency medical technician-paramedic, emergency medical technician-

intermediate, emergency medical technician, emergency care

attendant, or licensed paramedic and the person does not hold an

appropriate certificate issued by the department under this chapter.

An offense under this subsection is a Class A misdemeanor.

(HSC 773.003 also identifies " Emergency Medical Services

personnel as those listed above, so simply wearing a generic EMS

insignia would constitute the same)

You could compose a " cease and desist " letter to this individual,

and include a copy of the HSC Chapter. If you prefer to present the

problem to your local law enforcement, I would submit it in writing,

and include a copy of the rule so they'll know what they can arrest

him for.

I would not tolerate his presence on any scene wearing a uniform or

otherwise representing himself as EMS. As far as whether his

presence constitutes interference with your duties- that is entirely

up to you. You and other emergency personnel have privileged access

to that scene. You may grant or deny access to others (citizens/

bystanders) if they are helpful to you and don't interfere.

We've got a local " wannabe " around here. He rides an ATV 4-wheeler

with lights & a siren, but only around his property & not on public

roadways. At the HS football games, he and a buddy run around with

walkie-talkies pretending to be secret agents or something. I find

that to be pretty wierd, but harmless.

For awhile, another local was showing up at accident scenes. He

wanted to be helpful, and never interfered, so I didn't say anything

to him- until one night he walked into a patient's residence and

stated " I'm with them " (us). I explained the " privileged access "

thing to him, and he hasn't done it again.

Good luck,

Ron

>

> I've got a question. Where I live there is a young man who

constantly

> runs around in a TSTC EMS uniform. He was once a student, but has

> failed the basic course numerous times. He walks around town with

the

> shirt and ems pants in addition to that, he wears about 14 pairs

of

> sisccors, and a glove pouch. Recently there was a funeral in which

> several (30-40) police, fire, and ems personel attended. This

young

> man, made his way onto the grounds, and was walking around amongst

> everyone else. (Almost all of the emergency personel were fully

> uniformed.) At one point he attempted to make conversation with

the

> widow, also it looked as though he was trying to sneak a peak at

the

> body. I can't even believe someone would do such a thing.

> Then upon departure for the funeral procession, he was standing

on

> the corner in a " Secret Service " type pose, with what appeared to

be

> a cell phone ear piece in his ear (with no cell phone), which was

> running down his shirt. Obviously trying to impersonate someone

> (Possibly the DPS officer blocking traffic near where he was).

There

> have been numerous times where he has showed up on scenes, and is

> always misleading people to what he is or does. There have also

have

> been times that he was arrested for trying to arrest someone or

> detain some people, I'm not really sure which one. This has been

> going on for quite sometime and when I was at the funeral I

thought

> that this was just totaly uncalled for. Is there anything that can

be

> done? How much will arresting him really help? This gentleman is

not

> certified, and I pray to god he never does get certified. So I'm

> assuming that this is out of TDH's reach. Anyone have any

> suggestions? And have any of you dealt with this kind of thing

> before? What happened in thoose instances? Thanks for your help.

>

> -, EMT-I

>

> PS: He is NOT associated with any type of EMS, Fire, or Police

> orginaization. He holds no certification of any type.

[Guest guest]

,

This guy needs to be reported and stopped. He is dangerous. If he is

impersonating EMS personnel then he also may be providing care to unsuspecting

people. I'd hate to think what harm he could cause out there. Unlike police

impersonators, in this line of work he can do some real harm. Suppose he is out

there giving meds out or misdiagnosing real medical emergencies and someone dies

from his treatment. Not to mention what happens when he shows up and talks a

patient into not calling an ambulance because he is there and will " save the

day " ? I prescribe two treatments for him 1. have him arrested before he kills

someone and 2. psychological evaluation that a person like this needs. Also, as

a funeral service provider, any time you have a problem with someone like him at

a funeral, just contact the funeral director in charge as they have a

responsibility to the family they serve. They WILL handle it.

Jim Higginbotham EMT-B

Re: EMT Impersonator

,

There's no doubt that your scene jumper is impersonating an EMT. The

TSTC EMS uniform certainly gives that impression to the public-

whether on an EMS scene or at Taco Bell, he looks like an EMT. He

may have some argument or defense if the TSTC uniform is the " EMS

Student " uniform, but if any patch or insignia reads " Emergency

Medical Service " he is representing himself as such. You say your

imposter has also verbally identified himself as an EMT. I suppose

anyone can wear the pants with scissors, but the patches have got to

go.

Here's the rule on impersonating EMS:

Health and Safety Code, Chapter 773.064. CRIMINAL PENALTIES.

(a) A person commits an offense if the person knowingly practices

as, attempts to practice as, or represents himself to be an

emergency medical technician-paramedic, emergency medical technician-

intermediate, emergency medical technician, emergency care

attendant, or licensed paramedic and the person does not hold an

appropriate certificate issued by the department under this chapter.

An offense under this subsection is a Class A misdemeanor.

(HSC 773.003 also identifies " Emergency Medical Services

personnel as those listed above, so simply wearing a generic EMS

insignia would constitute the same)

You could compose a " cease and desist " letter to this individual,

and include a copy of the HSC Chapter. If you prefer to present the

problem to your local law enforcement, I would submit it in writing,

and include a copy of the rule so they'll know what they can arrest

him for.

I would not tolerate his presence on any scene wearing a uniform or

otherwise representing himself as EMS. As far as whether his

presence constitutes interference with your duties- that is entirely

up to you. You and other emergency personnel have privileged access

to that scene. You may grant or deny access to others (citizens/

bystanders) if they are helpful to you and don't interfere.

We've got a local " wannabe " around here. He rides an ATV 4-wheeler

with lights & a siren, but only around his property & not on public

roadways. At the HS football games, he and a buddy run around with

walkie-talkies pretending to be secret agents or something. I find

that to be pretty wierd, but harmless.

For awhile, another local was showing up at accident scenes. He

wanted to be helpful, and never interfered, so I didn't say anything

to him- until one night he walked into a patient's residence and

stated " I'm with them " (us). I explained the " privileged access "

thing to him, and he hasn't done it again.

Good luck,

Ron

>

> I've got a question. Where I live there is a young man who

constantly

> runs around in a TSTC EMS uniform. He was once a student, but has

> failed the basic course numerous times. He walks around town with

the

> shirt and ems pants in addition to that, he wears about 14 pairs

of

> sisccors, and a glove pouch. Recently there was a funeral in which

> several (30-40) police, fire, and ems personel attended. This

young

> man, made his way onto the grounds, and was walking around amongst

> everyone else. (Almost all of the emergency personel were fully

> uniformed.) At one point he attempted to make conversation with

the

> widow, also it looked as though he was trying to sneak a peak at

the

> body. I can't even believe someone would do such a thing.

> Then upon departure for the funeral procession, he was standing

on

> the corner in a " Secret Service " type pose, with what appeared to

be

> a cell phone ear piece in his ear (with no cell phone), which was

> running down his shirt. Obviously trying to impersonate someone

> (Possibly the DPS officer blocking traffic near where he was).

There

> have been numerous times where he has showed up on scenes, and is

> always misleading people to what he is or does. There have also

have

> been times that he was arrested for trying to arrest someone or

> detain some people, I'm not really sure which one. This has been

> going on for quite sometime and when I was at the funeral I

thought

> that this was just totaly uncalled for. Is there anything that can

be

> done? How much will arresting him really help? This gentleman is

not

> certified, and I pray to god he never does get certified. So I'm

> assuming that this is out of TDH's reach. Anyone have any

> suggestions? And have any of you dealt with this kind of thing

> before? What happened in thoose instances? Thanks for your help.

>

> -, EMT-I

>

> PS: He is NOT associated with any type of EMS, Fire, or Police

> orginaization. He holds no certification of any type.

[Guest guest]

,

This guy needs to be reported and stopped. He is dangerous. If he is

impersonating EMS personnel then he also may be providing care to unsuspecting

people. I'd hate to think what harm he could cause out there. Unlike police

impersonators, in this line of work he can do some real harm. Suppose he is out

there giving meds out or misdiagnosing real medical emergencies and someone dies

from his treatment. Not to mention what happens when he shows up and talks a

patient into not calling an ambulance because he is there and will " save the

day " ? I prescribe two treatments for him 1. have him arrested before he kills

someone and 2. psychological evaluation that a person like this needs. Also, as

a funeral service provider, any time you have a problem with someone like him at

a funeral, just contact the funeral director in charge as they have a

responsibility to the family they serve. They WILL handle it.

Jim Higginbotham EMT-B

Re: EMT Impersonator

,

There's no doubt that your scene jumper is impersonating an EMT. The

TSTC EMS uniform certainly gives that impression to the public-

whether on an EMS scene or at Taco Bell, he looks like an EMT. He

may have some argument or defense if the TSTC uniform is the " EMS

Student " uniform, but if any patch or insignia reads " Emergency

Medical Service " he is representing himself as such. You say your

imposter has also verbally identified himself as an EMT. I suppose

anyone can wear the pants with scissors, but the patches have got to

go.

Here's the rule on impersonating EMS:

Health and Safety Code, Chapter 773.064. CRIMINAL PENALTIES.

(a) A person commits an offense if the person knowingly practices

as, attempts to practice as, or represents himself to be an

emergency medical technician-paramedic, emergency medical technician-

intermediate, emergency medical technician, emergency care

attendant, or licensed paramedic and the person does not hold an

appropriate certificate issued by the department under this chapter.

An offense under this subsection is a Class A misdemeanor.

(HSC 773.003 also identifies " Emergency Medical Services

personnel as those listed above, so simply wearing a generic EMS

insignia would constitute the same)

You could compose a " cease and desist " letter to this individual,

and include a copy of the HSC Chapter. If you prefer to present the

problem to your local law enforcement, I would submit it in writing,

and include a copy of the rule so they'll know what they can arrest

him for.

I would not tolerate his presence on any scene wearing a uniform or

otherwise representing himself as EMS. As far as whether his

presence constitutes interference with your duties- that is entirely

up to you. You and other emergency personnel have privileged access

to that scene. You may grant or deny access to others (citizens/

bystanders) if they are helpful to you and don't interfere.

We've got a local " wannabe " around here. He rides an ATV 4-wheeler

with lights & a siren, but only around his property & not on public

roadways. At the HS football games, he and a buddy run around with

walkie-talkies pretending to be secret agents or something. I find

that to be pretty wierd, but harmless.

For awhile, another local was showing up at accident scenes. He

wanted to be helpful, and never interfered, so I didn't say anything

to him- until one night he walked into a patient's residence and

stated " I'm with them " (us). I explained the " privileged access "

thing to him, and he hasn't done it again.

Good luck,

Ron

>

> I've got a question. Where I live there is a young man who

constantly

> runs around in a TSTC EMS uniform. He was once a student, but has

> failed the basic course numerous times. He walks around town with

the

> shirt and ems pants in addition to that, he wears about 14 pairs

of

> sisccors, and a glove pouch. Recently there was a funeral in which

> several (30-40) police, fire, and ems personel attended. This

young

> man, made his way onto the grounds, and was walking around amongst

> everyone else. (Almost all of the emergency personel were fully

> uniformed.) At one point he attempted to make conversation with

the

> widow, also it looked as though he was trying to sneak a peak at

the

> body. I can't even believe someone would do such a thing.

> Then upon departure for the funeral procession, he was standing

on

> the corner in a " Secret Service " type pose, with what appeared to

be

> a cell phone ear piece in his ear (with no cell phone), which was

> running down his shirt. Obviously trying to impersonate someone

> (Possibly the DPS officer blocking traffic near where he was).

There

> have been numerous times where he has showed up on scenes, and is

> always misleading people to what he is or does. There have also

have

> been times that he was arrested for trying to arrest someone or

> detain some people, I'm not really sure which one. This has been

> going on for quite sometime and when I was at the funeral I

thought

> that this was just totaly uncalled for. Is there anything that can

be

> done? How much will arresting him really help? This gentleman is

not

> certified, and I pray to god he never does get certified. So I'm

> assuming that this is out of TDH's reach. Anyone have any

> suggestions? And have any of you dealt with this kind of thing

> before? What happened in thoose instances? Thanks for your help.

>

> -, EMT-I

>

> PS: He is NOT associated with any type of EMS, Fire, or Police

> orginaization. He holds no certification of any type.