Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Posted June 19, 2006 I've struggled with trying to work and finally gave up ... got back to work and slowly got more and more tired and stressed, tried taking a year off, didn't work either ... overall, just too tiring and too many setbacks...finally gave in to " disability " and receiving that income (just approved after 2 years) ... and can " consult " as long as income is below $850 per month...I do believe stress is a factor, but I've also found even doing things I love can be very taxing and tiring...the body needs energy to heal and stay healthy ... only you really know, but do know, it's not in your head! You can find out from SSA what your income would be on disability. barbara > > Just wanted to know how others deal with these issues... > > /Sridhar > UC '94, PSC '95 > Quote
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Posted June 19, 2006 I've struggled with trying to work and finally gave up ... got back to work and slowly got more and more tired and stressed, tried taking a year off, didn't work either ... overall, just too tiring and too many setbacks...finally gave in to " disability " and receiving that income (just approved after 2 years) ... and can " consult " as long as income is below $850 per month...I do believe stress is a factor, but I've also found even doing things I love can be very taxing and tiring...the body needs energy to heal and stay healthy ... only you really know, but do know, it's not in your head! You can find out from SSA what your income would be on disability. barbara > > Just wanted to know how others deal with these issues... > > /Sridhar > UC '94, PSC '95 > Quote
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Posted June 19, 2006 I am a teacher and found that I was exhausted at the end of every day. I had a 1 and 2 year old at the time and when I mentioned my fatigue to my doctor (who is usually very understanding), he said it could be the PSC or my thyroid or being a mom with two young children. I went on teaching for a year, but decided I would be better off at home. That was a year ago, and this last year has been so much better. I know I am lucky to be able to have the opportunity to be at home, but I know that it is so much better for me any my family. I miss teaching. I mention to my husband that I want to go back, maybe even as a substitute teacher. He is understanding that I miss my career, but he also reminds me all the time how tired I really was last year. This might not really help, but I thought I would share my thoughts. a PSC '04 Quote
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Posted June 20, 2006 To Barbara Webber, I am glad to wrote about the difficulties of fatigue. I retired 18 months ago at age 55 because I just could not do my job anymore, even part time. I have heard of people beating the fatigue via will power but I haven't been able to. On three occasions I have nodded off during my aerobic exercise class. I also find that I no longer can handle stress as well. While fatigue is not life threatening or physically painful. It erodes you emotionally and that is hard to handle over the long run. My inspiration is the woman who wrote the book Seabiscuit. She had chronic fatigue syndrome and sometimes could not get out of bed. But, she researched and wrote this wonderful book. My goal is to do as much meaningful work and to get as much exercise at I can. I did a lot of internet research on volunteer opportunities in my community and found work I could do at home. Also I volunteer at the library twice a month, a sit down, low key job. With a lot of help from my hepatologist who contacted his PSC patients, I started a PSC support group and that keeps me busy but it is also emotionally difficult because some the group members are very sick. Anyway, after 18 months it has been hard emotionally because I expect to live with PSC for many more years. Sometimes I get depressed because my options are limited. Sometimes I am so sleepy I don't care. But, having some meaningful work is so helpful and I enjoy doing things that I couldn't do when I was working. I need to remind myself that PSC has not taken my life it has just changed my life. I hope other PSCers who suffer from fatigue will post. Day after day with only a few hours of active energy does wear you down sometimes and it's okay to share it with the group,. (Sacramento) dx UC and PSC 2001 Quote
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Posted June 20, 2006 , I don't post often anymore due to severe itching and fatigue. I have to work to maintain my excellent health insurance, and it is a 'sit on my butt job' but I get very very sleepy. I work for a utility company. I actually have it quite good. We have to take call after call from customer helping them set up payment arrangements, getting service turned on or off and taking power outage calls as well as gas emergency calls. The only requirement is that our dress is not lewd, and that we take our calls. What we do inbetween calls is at our discretion. I have a pillow at my desk for my head. When calls are slow and I am tired, I put my head down. You see, the calls just drop into our phone set, so as long as I catch the call while my phone recording goes off, I have my head up and access the customer acct, take care of their business and put my head back down. The teamleaders in my center are aware that I need a transplant and although they dont come out and say it, I know they are cutting me some slack. I have always been honest about what is going on, I notify them as soon as I know I have appts. and I really try hard not to be off work. I do find that I am less interested in doing anything other than work and come home and crash. My only house chore is to make my bed and do dishes each night. There are only 2 of us and we don't eat big evening meals anymore, mostly because I just don't cook them. Mike does everything else...not so much because I am sick and fatigued, but because he is a freakin obsessive/compulsive perfectionary neat freak and I have never been able to accomplish any task without being told I did it wrong, should try a different way, or do it half-butt....and quite frankly at this point, I don't care, just so long as I don't expend my precious energy on it. I do exercise each night. But I do like 5 minutes and rest for a half hour to an hour and then do 5 minutes more and so forth until I am ready for bed. And you are absolutely right, PSC can't take our lives away if we don't let it. I refuse to say my life is over with this disease (although I have had my moments of weakness), but I try to help others, and you would be surprise what folks share with you when calling in about their energy bills. I am able to calm down frantic mothers, etc. when they feel so overwhelmed about their bill and then they mention medical problems. I find that when I focus to help others, it takes my mind off my illness and gives me a warm fuzzy inside. A very close friend at work, just lost her 5 year old nephew. She is taking it so very very hard because she had that child at her home more evenings than not and he was so much a part of her daily life. She is distraught. It has been several weeks now and I see her shaking uncontrollably. I have listened to her talk about messing up her gas emergency simulations (we have to take a test every 3 months to stay certified), and she couldn't focus. I am trying really hard to help her see that she needs to go talk to a professional so she can get past the first stages of grief. I think she is still in denial. She asked me today if I thought she was not normal for not being able to get on with life. I asked her to define 'normal' because my family has had so many tragedies and each one of our family members handles things differently. I explained to her that my sister, 5 years after her daughter was shot by a gang member while robbing her home, that she was still baking birthday cakes and taking them to the cemetary.........and if that is what helps her cope, then it is normal. I have gone off on a tangent, so I will wrap it up. I'm tired and need to go rest before bed. The one thing that I do...is take care of myself. When I am tired, I don't fake it, I back out of committments as I see fit. I'm less social and I am content with that because it is what I have to do in order to maintain daily sanity to get through one more day before I finally get my transplant. Today was a bummer....Mammogram. I have a jpouch scope and MRI and then a letter from my dentist and then I will be on the list. Baudoux-Northrup __________________________________________________ Quote
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Posted June 20, 2006 , I don't post often anymore due to severe itching and fatigue. I have to work to maintain my excellent health insurance, and it is a 'sit on my butt job' but I get very very sleepy. I work for a utility company. I actually have it quite good. We have to take call after call from customer helping them set up payment arrangements, getting service turned on or off and taking power outage calls as well as gas emergency calls. The only requirement is that our dress is not lewd, and that we take our calls. What we do inbetween calls is at our discretion. I have a pillow at my desk for my head. When calls are slow and I am tired, I put my head down. You see, the calls just drop into our phone set, so as long as I catch the call while my phone recording goes off, I have my head up and access the customer acct, take care of their business and put my head back down. The teamleaders in my center are aware that I need a transplant and although they dont come out and say it, I know they are cutting me some slack. I have always been honest about what is going on, I notify them as soon as I know I have appts. and I really try hard not to be off work. I do find that I am less interested in doing anything other than work and come home and crash. My only house chore is to make my bed and do dishes each night. There are only 2 of us and we don't eat big evening meals anymore, mostly because I just don't cook them. Mike does everything else...not so much because I am sick and fatigued, but because he is a freakin obsessive/compulsive perfectionary neat freak and I have never been able to accomplish any task without being told I did it wrong, should try a different way, or do it half-butt....and quite frankly at this point, I don't care, just so long as I don't expend my precious energy on it. I do exercise each night. But I do like 5 minutes and rest for a half hour to an hour and then do 5 minutes more and so forth until I am ready for bed. And you are absolutely right, PSC can't take our lives away if we don't let it. I refuse to say my life is over with this disease (although I have had my moments of weakness), but I try to help others, and you would be surprise what folks share with you when calling in about their energy bills. I am able to calm down frantic mothers, etc. when they feel so overwhelmed about their bill and then they mention medical problems. I find that when I focus to help others, it takes my mind off my illness and gives me a warm fuzzy inside. A very close friend at work, just lost her 5 year old nephew. She is taking it so very very hard because she had that child at her home more evenings than not and he was so much a part of her daily life. She is distraught. It has been several weeks now and I see her shaking uncontrollably. I have listened to her talk about messing up her gas emergency simulations (we have to take a test every 3 months to stay certified), and she couldn't focus. I am trying really hard to help her see that she needs to go talk to a professional so she can get past the first stages of grief. I think she is still in denial. She asked me today if I thought she was not normal for not being able to get on with life. I asked her to define 'normal' because my family has had so many tragedies and each one of our family members handles things differently. I explained to her that my sister, 5 years after her daughter was shot by a gang member while robbing her home, that she was still baking birthday cakes and taking them to the cemetary.........and if that is what helps her cope, then it is normal. I have gone off on a tangent, so I will wrap it up. I'm tired and need to go rest before bed. The one thing that I do...is take care of myself. When I am tired, I don't fake it, I back out of committments as I see fit. I'm less social and I am content with that because it is what I have to do in order to maintain daily sanity to get through one more day before I finally get my transplant. Today was a bummer....Mammogram. I have a jpouch scope and MRI and then a letter from my dentist and then I will be on the list. Baudoux-Northrup __________________________________________________ Quote
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Posted June 20, 2006 Lately I find myself thinking more and more about the course my disease is taking and my ability to cope. My work requires alot of energy and contains alot of stress. In the last month, I received the news that I should stay close with transplant drs. because my ERCP was unsuccesful in opening another duct, leaving me essentially one open. To try and cope somewhat, I quit caffeine and any diet sodas with artificial sweeteners, as well as getting more exercise. This measure has helped a little, but I know it is only temporary. I literally will myself through the fatigue and find myself at a crossroads as to whether to pursue disabilty and all the issues or tough it out. I was wondering when and how some of you decided enough was enough and pursued your retirement? --- Soloway wrote: > To Barbara Webber, I am glad to wrote about the > difficulties of > fatigue. I retired 18 months ago at age 55 because > I just could not do > my job anymore, even part time. I have heard of > people beating the > fatigue via will power but I haven't been able to. > On three occasions I > have nodded off during my aerobic exercise class. > I also find that I > no longer can handle stress as well. > > While fatigue is not life threatening or physically > painful. It erodes > you emotionally and that is hard to handle over the > long run. My > inspiration is the woman who wrote the book > _Seabiscuit_. She had > chronic fatigue syndrome and sometimes could not get > out of bed. But, > she researched and wrote this wonderful book. My > goal is to do as much > meaningful work and to get as much exercise at I > can. I did a lot of > internet research on volunteer opportunities in my > community and found > work I could do at home. Also I volunteer at the > library twice a month, > a sit down, low key job. With a lot of help from my > hepatologist who > contacted his PSC patients, I started a PSC support > group and that keeps > me busy but it is also emotionally difficult because > some the group > members are very sick. > > Anyway, after 18 months it has been hard emotionally > because I expect to > live with PSC for many more years. Sometimes I get > depressed because my > options are limited. Sometimes I am so sleepy I > don't care. But, having > some meaningful work is so helpful and I enjoy doing > things that I > couldn't do when I was working. I need to remind > myself that PSC has > not taken my life it has just changed my life. > > I hope other PSCers who suffer from fatigue will > post. Day after day > with only a few hours of active energy does wear you > down sometimes and > it's okay to share it with the group,. > > (Sacramento) dx UC and PSC 2001 > __________________________________________________ Quote
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Posted June 20, 2006 Lately I find myself thinking more and more about the course my disease is taking and my ability to cope. My work requires alot of energy and contains alot of stress. In the last month, I received the news that I should stay close with transplant drs. because my ERCP was unsuccesful in opening another duct, leaving me essentially one open. To try and cope somewhat, I quit caffeine and any diet sodas with artificial sweeteners, as well as getting more exercise. This measure has helped a little, but I know it is only temporary. I literally will myself through the fatigue and find myself at a crossroads as to whether to pursue disabilty and all the issues or tough it out. I was wondering when and how some of you decided enough was enough and pursued your retirement? --- Soloway wrote: > To Barbara Webber, I am glad to wrote about the > difficulties of > fatigue. I retired 18 months ago at age 55 because > I just could not do > my job anymore, even part time. I have heard of > people beating the > fatigue via will power but I haven't been able to. > On three occasions I > have nodded off during my aerobic exercise class. > I also find that I > no longer can handle stress as well. > > While fatigue is not life threatening or physically > painful. It erodes > you emotionally and that is hard to handle over the > long run. My > inspiration is the woman who wrote the book > _Seabiscuit_. She had > chronic fatigue syndrome and sometimes could not get > out of bed. But, > she researched and wrote this wonderful book. My > goal is to do as much > meaningful work and to get as much exercise at I > can. I did a lot of > internet research on volunteer opportunities in my > community and found > work I could do at home. Also I volunteer at the > library twice a month, > a sit down, low key job. With a lot of help from my > hepatologist who > contacted his PSC patients, I started a PSC support > group and that keeps > me busy but it is also emotionally difficult because > some the group > members are very sick. > > Anyway, after 18 months it has been hard emotionally > because I expect to > live with PSC for many more years. Sometimes I get > depressed because my > options are limited. Sometimes I am so sleepy I > don't care. But, having > some meaningful work is so helpful and I enjoy doing > things that I > couldn't do when I was working. I need to remind > myself that PSC has > not taken my life it has just changed my life. > > I hope other PSCers who suffer from fatigue will > post. Day after day > with only a few hours of active energy does wear you > down sometimes and > it's okay to share it with the group,. > > (Sacramento) dx UC and PSC 2001 > __________________________________________________ Quote
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Posted June 20, 2006 Lately I find myself thinking more and more about the course my disease is taking and my ability to cope. My work requires alot of energy and contains alot of stress. In the last month, I received the news that I should stay close with transplant drs. because my ERCP was unsuccesful in opening another duct, leaving me essentially one open. To try and cope somewhat, I quit caffeine and any diet sodas with artificial sweeteners, as well as getting more exercise. This measure has helped a little, but I know it is only temporary. I literally will myself through the fatigue and find myself at a crossroads as to whether to pursue disabilty and all the issues or tough it out. I was wondering when and how some of you decided enough was enough and pursued your retirement? --- Soloway wrote: > To Barbara Webber, I am glad to wrote about the > difficulties of > fatigue. I retired 18 months ago at age 55 because > I just could not do > my job anymore, even part time. I have heard of > people beating the > fatigue via will power but I haven't been able to. > On three occasions I > have nodded off during my aerobic exercise class. > I also find that I > no longer can handle stress as well. > > While fatigue is not life threatening or physically > painful. It erodes > you emotionally and that is hard to handle over the > long run. My > inspiration is the woman who wrote the book > _Seabiscuit_. She had > chronic fatigue syndrome and sometimes could not get > out of bed. But, > she researched and wrote this wonderful book. My > goal is to do as much > meaningful work and to get as much exercise at I > can. I did a lot of > internet research on volunteer opportunities in my > community and found > work I could do at home. Also I volunteer at the > library twice a month, > a sit down, low key job. With a lot of help from my > hepatologist who > contacted his PSC patients, I started a PSC support > group and that keeps > me busy but it is also emotionally difficult because > some the group > members are very sick. > > Anyway, after 18 months it has been hard emotionally > because I expect to > live with PSC for many more years. Sometimes I get > depressed because my > options are limited. Sometimes I am so sleepy I > don't care. But, having > some meaningful work is so helpful and I enjoy doing > things that I > couldn't do when I was working. I need to remind > myself that PSC has > not taken my life it has just changed my life. > > I hope other PSCers who suffer from fatigue will > post. Day after day > with only a few hours of active energy does wear you > down sometimes and > it's okay to share it with the group,. > > (Sacramento) dx UC and PSC 2001 > __________________________________________________ Quote
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Posted June 21, 2006 Thanks , I appreciate your sharing...yes, I have been fighting the depression that can kick in when you're fatigued all the time... I kept thinking if I found " something I loved " I'd have more energy, which is partly true, it does " pick me up " but I still get tired...I keep hearing about pomegranite juice, wondering if you tried that? I'm wondering if it comes in a pill, because I can't normally drink juice since I also have diabetes....but I think being social is certainly a plus, I find I can get " homebound " after too many days of fatigue, and then I just don't want to go out....this is quite a learning process...I can see how working with a support group would be difficult, because it is hard to see others suffering that have the same disease we do...it's a little scary sometimes. Well, thanks again and I'll keep my prayers going for you and all of us! You're lucky to be in CA - I just love it there!!! > (Sacramento) dx UC and PSC 2001 > Quote
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Posted June 21, 2006 Thanks , I appreciate your sharing...yes, I have been fighting the depression that can kick in when you're fatigued all the time... I kept thinking if I found " something I loved " I'd have more energy, which is partly true, it does " pick me up " but I still get tired...I keep hearing about pomegranite juice, wondering if you tried that? I'm wondering if it comes in a pill, because I can't normally drink juice since I also have diabetes....but I think being social is certainly a plus, I find I can get " homebound " after too many days of fatigue, and then I just don't want to go out....this is quite a learning process...I can see how working with a support group would be difficult, because it is hard to see others suffering that have the same disease we do...it's a little scary sometimes. Well, thanks again and I'll keep my prayers going for you and all of us! You're lucky to be in CA - I just love it there!!! > (Sacramento) dx UC and PSC 2001 > Quote
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2006 Report Posted July 15, 2006 I am with ya. Very bad fatigue. This was my first symptom and it has gradually worsened over a period now of about four years. I had big time difficulty with my hep around this issue for months, as he was stuck in the mode of your labs don't look that bad. I had to restrain the comment to the effect that he would probably not in a million years be willing to trade places with me....or even livers, but I refrained on this occasion. I was ready to fire him, but he came around & seems to have got it. Been to Mayo, read a bunch, etc. no one really has answers for this. I take Wellbutrin and Ritalin, both which seems to help somewhat. Without them I could not move much beyond a recliner, certainly not the kind of activity level I was accustom to the first 40 years of my life. For me, I was forced to quit work due to the fatigue, even though it was a largely sedentary job, it had huge responsibilities and stress galore. This has helped too, as I can focus on a smaller world, the fam., and don't feel as if it is just a place to sleep anymore. I currently am fighting with SSD or I should say my attorneys are fighting. I also have a claim against a pvt disability policy, and am hiring a attorney in the next few days to litigate it as well. Talk about a worthless insurance. Should have known that a plan that covers potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars in lost wages for a few hundred bucks a year has to have a gotcha somewhere. Whowooda guessed it was in claims settlement...not! I think this is a topic of fatigue comes around the board from time to time. Bestjd, 45 goin to 46UC 1973, Jpouch 2000, Chronic Pouchitis 2001, PSC 2004, Stage 3Southern, IL PSC and work/career To Barbara Webber, I am glad to wrote about the difficulties of fatigue. I retired 18 months ago at age 55 because I just could not do my job anymore, even part time. I have heard of people beating the fatigue via will power but I haven't been able to. On three occasions I have nodded off during my aerobic exercise class. I also find that I no longer can handle stress as well.While fatigue is not life threatening or physically painful. It erodes you emotionally and that is hard to handle over the long run. My inspiration is the woman who wrote the book Seabiscuit. She had chronic fatigue syndrome and sometimes could not get out of bed. But, she researched and wrote this wonderful book. My goal is to do as much meaningful work and to get as much exercise at I can. I did a lot of internet research on volunteer opportunities in my community and found work I could do at home. Also I volunteer at the library twice a month, a sit down, low key job. With a lot of help from my hepatologist who contacted his PSC patients, I started a PSC support group and that keeps me busy but it is also emotionally difficult because some the group members are very sick.Anyway, after 18 months it has been hard emotionally because I expect to live with PSC for many more years. Sometimes I get depressed because my options are limited. Sometimes I am so sleepy I don't care. But, having some meaningful work is so helpful and I enjoy doing things that I couldn't do when I was working. I need to remind myself that PSC has not taken my life it has just changed my life.I hope other PSCers who suffer from fatigue will post. Day after day with only a few hours of active energy does wear you down sometimes and it's okay to share it with the group,. (Sacramento) dx UC and PSC 2001 Quote
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2006 Report Posted July 15, 2006 Phil I can identify with what you say. Willing yourself through the day only goes so far. For me it was an ongoing conversation about what the pros and cons might be, as if any of us see the future clearly! What was clear in my case was , in the here and now nearly 100% of my energy was devoted to working a full time job, from which I was taking increasing amount of sick time off over the course of more than a year. Also hearing from several respected sources that medical science really can't impact this aspect of liver disease much. Having a young family ( is 3) it was obvious that I wasn't a parent to him because I was either working at home on the backlog, or sleeping, actually mostly sleeping.The fatigue had been always with me over the course of several years and each year it was worse than the one before it, so there was a "trend". My defining moment was do I literally want to spend all my energy focused on employment (and a rewarding career) in whatever turns out to be my pre transplant years, or is it time for a change. With this focus the decision was clear. I retired. Bestjd, 45 goin to 46UC 1973, Jpouch 2000, Chronic Pouchitis 2001, PSC 2004, Stage 3Southern, IL Quote
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2006 Report Posted July 15, 2006 Phil I can identify with what you say. Willing yourself through the day only goes so far. For me it was an ongoing conversation about what the pros and cons might be, as if any of us see the future clearly! What was clear in my case was , in the here and now nearly 100% of my energy was devoted to working a full time job, from which I was taking increasing amount of sick time off over the course of more than a year. Also hearing from several respected sources that medical science really can't impact this aspect of liver disease much. Having a young family ( is 3) it was obvious that I wasn't a parent to him because I was either working at home on the backlog, or sleeping, actually mostly sleeping.The fatigue had been always with me over the course of several years and each year it was worse than the one before it, so there was a "trend". My defining moment was do I literally want to spend all my energy focused on employment (and a rewarding career) in whatever turns out to be my pre transplant years, or is it time for a change. With this focus the decision was clear. I retired. Bestjd, 45 goin to 46UC 1973, Jpouch 2000, Chronic Pouchitis 2001, PSC 2004, Stage 3Southern, IL Quote
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2006 Report Posted July 15, 2006 Phil I can identify with what you say. Willing yourself through the day only goes so far. For me it was an ongoing conversation about what the pros and cons might be, as if any of us see the future clearly! What was clear in my case was , in the here and now nearly 100% of my energy was devoted to working a full time job, from which I was taking increasing amount of sick time off over the course of more than a year. Also hearing from several respected sources that medical science really can't impact this aspect of liver disease much. Having a young family ( is 3) it was obvious that I wasn't a parent to him because I was either working at home on the backlog, or sleeping, actually mostly sleeping.The fatigue had been always with me over the course of several years and each year it was worse than the one before it, so there was a "trend". My defining moment was do I literally want to spend all my energy focused on employment (and a rewarding career) in whatever turns out to be my pre transplant years, or is it time for a change. With this focus the decision was clear. I retired. Bestjd, 45 goin to 46UC 1973, Jpouch 2000, Chronic Pouchitis 2001, PSC 2004, Stage 3Southern, IL Quote
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