Re: Rhonda- yogurt question #2,000... = )

[Guest guest]

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I would suggest that for now you don't cut the carbs in half for the cream

and don't bother factoring in the yogurt used for starter. The reason I'm

suggesting that you don't cut the carbs in half is that I'm not quite

convinced that half the carbs " get eaten up. " About 4weeks ago we quit

giving Shan yogurt. She has been using the lactose free yogurt cream for

her primary fat for about a year. She has been at a 1:1 ratio for many

months and her ketones measured trace to small in the evening. When I took

her off the yogurt and switched to using cheese and butter as her primary

fat her ketones climbed (I'll have to confess that it probably had been a

month since I checked her ketones). I discovered that after she had a high

ketone induced awake seizure. I'm really wondering if the yogurt had more

carbs in it than I was counting. I think the safest is to count all the

carbs in the cream and watch her ketones closely. If they seem to climb

after starting the yogurt cream then reduce the carbs in the cream by 1/4th.

Another option would be to reduce the carbs by 1/2 and watch her ketones

closely. If they drop too much then you know you need to factor in more

carbs in the cream.

You can make the same icecream with the yogurt. After the yogurt has

heated for over 24 hours you can mix it with the oil and freeze. We would

often freeze the yogurt (after mixing sweetner with it) so that Shan could

have icecream.

Rhonda

Hi. I have now received my yogourtmet yogurt maker and I am ready

to make some lactose free yogurt. But, of course, I have some more

silly questions for you.

Your message said to count the fat and protein the same as the cream

and to cut the carbs in half. Do you need to do anything else to

account for the " starter " or commercial yogurt you use as starter?

I was hoping (if Langan will cooperate) to use this to completely

replace the cream I give Langan with every meal. Is that what you

have done? We usually give her one serving of " ice cream " , which is

cream whipped until it is hard, mixed with oil and with some

bickford flavoring. Is it possible to add the oil like that to the

yogurt, or will that mess up the whole point? You can tell I am new

at this lactose free thing....

Thanks again!

, mom to Langan, 21 months old and keto kid since 11/03; med

free since 4/2/04; still working on the seizures and dealing with a

nasty case of acidosis.

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[Guest guest]

Thanks, Rhonda. I am hesitant to throw any new things into the mix

but I really want to see if this will help her tummy. I can watch

her ketones pretty carefully with the blood ketone machine, so I

think I'll follow your advice and just leave the #s the same. It'll

sure make it easier- won't have to have the dietician recalculate her

meals. = )

Do you use the yogurt for cream in recipes, too, when they call for

some cream (ie cheesecake, omeletes, etc)? You can tell I am not the

master chef here, can't you?

> ,

>

> I would suggest that for now you don't cut the carbs in half for

the cream

> and don't bother factoring in the yogurt used for starter. The

reason I'm

> suggesting that you don't cut the carbs in half is that I'm not

quite

> convinced that half the carbs " get eaten up. " About 4weeks ago we

quit

> giving Shan yogurt. She has been using the lactose free yogurt

cream for

> her primary fat for about a year. She has been at a 1:1 ratio for

many

> months and her ketones measured trace to small in the evening.

When I took

> her off the yogurt and switched to using cheese and butter as her

primary

> fat her ketones climbed (I'll have to confess that it probably had

been a

> month since I checked her ketones). I discovered that after she

had a high

> ketone induced awake seizure. I'm really wondering if the yogurt

had more

> carbs in it than I was counting. I think the safest is to count

all the

> carbs in the cream and watch her ketones closely. If they seem to

climb

> after starting the yogurt cream then reduce the carbs in the cream

by 1/4th.

> Another option would be to reduce the carbs by 1/2 and watch her

ketones

> closely. If they drop too much then you know you need to factor in

more

> carbs in the cream.

>

> You can make the same icecream with the yogurt. After the yogurt

has

> heated for over 24 hours you can mix it with the oil and freeze.

We would

> often freeze the yogurt (after mixing sweetner with it) so that

Shan could

> have icecream.

>

> Rhonda

>

> Hi. I have now received my yogourtmet yogurt maker and I am ready

> to make some lactose free yogurt. But, of course, I have some more

> silly questions for you.

>

> Your message said to count the fat and protein the same as the cream

> and to cut the carbs in half. Do you need to do anything else to

> account for the " starter " or commercial yogurt you use as starter?

>

> I was hoping (if Langan will cooperate) to use this to completely

> replace the cream I give Langan with every meal. Is that what you

> have done? We usually give her one serving of " ice cream " , which is

> cream whipped until it is hard, mixed with oil and with some

> bickford flavoring. Is it possible to add the oil like that to the

> yogurt, or will that mess up the whole point? You can tell I am new

> at this lactose free thing....

>

> Thanks again!

>

> , mom to Langan, 21 months old and keto kid since 11/03; med

> free since 4/2/04; still working on the seizures and dealing with a

> nasty case of acidosis.

>

>

>

>

> " The Ketogenic Diet....a realistic treatment option, NOT just a

last

> resort! "

>

> List is for parent to parent support only.

> It is important to get medical advice from a

professional

> keto team!

> Subscribe: ketogenic-subscribe

> Unsubscribe: ketogenic-unsubscribe

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm not very used to yoghurt-tmaking, but yoghurts have

much less fat in them than cream (I mean weight for weight)

We did try making yoghurt on a brief SCD phase but then

we were off the diet so didn't have to calculate anything.

Saro

langansmom wrote:

> Hi. I have now received my yogourtmet yogurt maker and I am ready

> to make some lactose free yogurt. But, of course, I have some more

> silly questions for you.

>

> Your message said to count the fat and protein the same as the cream

> and to cut the carbs in half. Do you need to do anything else to

> account for the " starter " or commercial yogurt you use as starter?

>

> I was hoping (if Langan will cooperate) to use this to completely

> replace the cream I give Langan with every meal. Is that what you

> have done? We usually give her one serving of " ice cream " , which is

> cream whipped until it is hard, mixed with oil and with some

> bickford flavoring. Is it possible to add the oil like that to the

> yogurt, or will that mess up the whole point? You can tell I am new

> at this lactose free thing....

>

> Thanks again!

>

> , mom to Langan, 21 months old and keto kid since 11/03; med

> free since 4/2/04; still working on the seizures and dealing with a

> nasty case of acidosis.

>

>

>

> " The Ketogenic Diet....a realistic treatment option, NOT just a last

> resort! "

>

> List is for parent to parent support only.

> It is important to get medical advice from a

> professional keto team!

> Subscribe: ketogenic-subscribe

> Unsubscribe: ketogenic-unsubscribe

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm not very used to yoghurt-tmaking, but yoghurts have

much less fat in them than cream (I mean weight for weight)

We did try making yoghurt on a brief SCD phase but then

we were off the diet so didn't have to calculate anything.

Saro

langansmom wrote:

> Hi. I have now received my yogourtmet yogurt maker and I am ready

> to make some lactose free yogurt. But, of course, I have some more

> silly questions for you.

>

> Your message said to count the fat and protein the same as the cream

> and to cut the carbs in half. Do you need to do anything else to

> account for the " starter " or commercial yogurt you use as starter?

>

> I was hoping (if Langan will cooperate) to use this to completely

> replace the cream I give Langan with every meal. Is that what you

> have done? We usually give her one serving of " ice cream " , which is

> cream whipped until it is hard, mixed with oil and with some

> bickford flavoring. Is it possible to add the oil like that to the

> yogurt, or will that mess up the whole point? You can tell I am new

> at this lactose free thing....

>

> Thanks again!

>

> , mom to Langan, 21 months old and keto kid since 11/03; med

> free since 4/2/04; still working on the seizures and dealing with a

> nasty case of acidosis.

>

>

>

> " The Ketogenic Diet....a realistic treatment option, NOT just a last

> resort! "

>

> List is for parent to parent support only.

> It is important to get medical advice from a

> professional keto team!

> Subscribe: ketogenic-subscribe

> Unsubscribe: ketogenic-unsubscribe

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm not very used to yoghurt-tmaking, but yoghurts have

much less fat in them than cream (I mean weight for weight)

We did try making yoghurt on a brief SCD phase but then

we were off the diet so didn't have to calculate anything.

Saro

langansmom wrote:

> Hi. I have now received my yogourtmet yogurt maker and I am ready

> to make some lactose free yogurt. But, of course, I have some more

> silly questions for you.

>

> Your message said to count the fat and protein the same as the cream

> and to cut the carbs in half. Do you need to do anything else to

> account for the " starter " or commercial yogurt you use as starter?

>

> I was hoping (if Langan will cooperate) to use this to completely

> replace the cream I give Langan with every meal. Is that what you

> have done? We usually give her one serving of " ice cream " , which is

> cream whipped until it is hard, mixed with oil and with some

> bickford flavoring. Is it possible to add the oil like that to the

> yogurt, or will that mess up the whole point? You can tell I am new

> at this lactose free thing....

>

> Thanks again!

>

> , mom to Langan, 21 months old and keto kid since 11/03; med

> free since 4/2/04; still working on the seizures and dealing with a

> nasty case of acidosis.

>

>

>

> " The Ketogenic Diet....a realistic treatment option, NOT just a last

> resort! "

>

> List is for parent to parent support only.

> It is important to get medical advice from a

> professional keto team!

> Subscribe: ketogenic-subscribe

> Unsubscribe: ketogenic-unsubscribe

>

>

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