Guest guest Posted April 25, 2001 Report Share Posted April 25, 2001 I was given an article by my nuero doc who found my lyme.It states in it that lyme DNA was found in semen.A doc treats both partners if one has lyme.This is the first real info i have heard on this.The article is at work but i will give all info on it tom.Has anyone heard of this?I am 37 single and not bad looking.Was hoping to get in a relationship but have second thoughts now.Would hate to sentence someone i care for to this awful disease.Damn I thought I could start living a real life again.This is so depressing if it is true.I know that you can wear protection but it seems like it is like the aids article I read in here.Love ya all Janet > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2001 Report Share Posted April 25, 2001 Just my two cents on this subject but I've had Lyme for 11 yrs. and my hubby shows NO sign of Lyme whatsoever. We don't use any birth control ... vasectomy and hysterectomy ... so it seems like if he was going to get it, he would have by now. In the cases where both partners have it and it was supposedly transmitted by sexual contact, is it not possible that both the husband and wife were in the same area and got infected at the same time? And maybe one of them didn't show signs until after the first one? I don't really subscribe to the sexually transmitted idea. I know I'll probably get flamed for saying that but like I said, just my two cents. And until someone shows me proof that it IS sexually transmitted, guess I'll just keep on believing it isn't. (In my mind, my hubby is proof that it isn't sexually transmitted.) Good luck!! Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2001 Report Share Posted April 25, 2001 I believe that it is more likely to be transmitted male to female. I also believe that there has been spirochetes found in semen. Meg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2001 Report Share Posted April 26, 2001 Let's take a look at the borrelia bacteria or lyme; it is a spirochete. It is akin to syphilis, which is a spirochete AND IT can be sexually transmitted. I prayed for a long time that is was NOT, but it has definitely been found in semen, semen is viable for a few days, so it is quite obvious that it is sexually transmitted. My advice? being that not only is lyme transmittable, so is all the other STDs (sexually transmitted diseases) so it would be best to have protection no matter what. You don't know who your partner has slept with in the past but also how many partners that partner had, it goes on and on. There is NOBODY worth dying over, it is a matter of taking care of yourself and loving yourself. sue in nj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2001 Report Share Posted April 26, 2001 Hi, I also heard and read it is transmitted through sexual contact. The reason the other spouse doesn't show signs is that their immune system is higher and bacteria can hide for years. It is not known why some of us get it and some others carry it and never get it. My point is if I have it and my husband might also. He is asymptomatic, but if he is never tested and treated. I could eventually get it back again. I have no children but I would hate to pass this on to a child. Re: [ ] sexually transmitted lyme Just my two cents on this subject but I've had Lyme for 11 yrs. and my hubby shows NO sign of Lyme whatsoever. We don't use any birth control ... vasectomy and hysterectomy ... so it seems like if he was going to get it, he would have by now. In the cases where both partners have it and it was supposedly transmitted by sexual contact, is it not possible that both the husband and wife were in the same area and got infected at the same time? And maybe one of them didn't show signs until after the first one? I don't really subscribe to the sexually transmitted idea. I know I'll probably get flamed for saying that but like I said, just my two cents. And until someone shows me proof that it IS sexually transmitted, guess I'll just keep on believing it isn't. (In my mind, my hubby is proof that it isn't sexually transmitted.) Good luck!! Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2001 Report Share Posted April 26, 2001 Absence of proof is not proof of absence... I know several highly respected Lyme literate docs that theorize about it being sexually transmitted. There is a doctor that was granted by the LDA to do research into whether it is or isn't, although I personally haven't seen the results of his study yet he did speak at the conference in Princeton saying that he will publish soon. Either way, in these gray areas where research is non existent as yet I find that one can make a reasonable judgment with the facts at hand. In doing so we would see that syphilis is sexually transmitted and it is well known that Lyme disease has a similar disease course even in terms of mother passing the infection to unborn child. Many of us suffer with bladder symptoms, menstrual irregularity, and men often have testicular pain so the Bb bacteria certainly can be present in these tissues. We have PCRs done on our blood and it is present there so it is likely that it is present in other bodily fluids as well, perhaps not in huge numbers but how many does it take to cause disease? On the note that your husband doesn't have it- he may just be lucky so far- and then again he may have such a low infectious load that he isn't seeing specific symptoms yet. As I am sure you are aware, in any sexually transmitted disease it is easier for a woman to be infected just due to our anatomical design. Personally, I tend to err on the side of caution and I would say if I love someone enough to sleep with them I'd rather not find out that I had been responsible for giving them Lyme disease. Edina Re: [ ] sexually transmitted lyme Just my two cents on this subject but I've had Lyme for 11 yrs. and my hubby shows NO sign of Lyme whatsoever. We don't use any birth control ... vasectomy and hysterectomy ... so it seems like if he was going to get it, he would have by now. In the cases where both partners have it and it was supposedly transmitted by sexual contact, is it not possible that both the husband and wife were in the same area and got infected at the same time? And maybe one of them didn't show signs until after the first one? I don't really subscribe to the sexually transmitted idea. I know I'll probably get flamed for saying that but like I said, just my two cents. And until someone shows me proof that it IS sexually transmitted, guess I'll just keep on believing it isn't. (In my mind, my hubby is proof that it isn't sexually transmitted.) Good luck!! Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2001 Report Share Posted April 26, 2001 OK, I have read all this about Lyme being sexually transmitted....SO....... Is there even one PROVEN DOCUMENTED case of it being sexually transmitted??? If so, show me. Everyone can hypothesize the hell out of this but show me something with meat on the bones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 Hi Everyone, I just want to add my 2 cents. While I don't think Lyme is sexually transmitted, of course, I'm not sure. I basically believe you have to get it from a tick bite or from mother to unborn fetus. When both members of a couple have Lyme, I ask myself, did they have it before they met each other, or, even more likely, didn't they go camping, hiking, etc together & wouldn't it be extremely likely that both were exposed to tick bites? My teenage son most likely got it from being in/near the woods at summer camp, not sexually. Also, I've read theories recently, and even heard it presented as a question at the Lyme Conference a few days ago, that it may be possible to contract Lyme from not only a tick bite, but from the bite of almost any biting insect, especially a mosquito or a flea. Hmmm, I defiinitely believe flea bites could transmit it, but mosquito bites... nope. Time will tell. Hugs, a Aida Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 OK, I have read all this about Lyme being sexually transmitted....SO....... Is there even one PROVEN DOCUMENTED case of it being sexually transmitted??? If so, show me. Everyone can hypothesize the hell out of this but show me something with meat on the bones. Nope, nothing proven. Lots of " theories " out there, but in my mind if it were sexually transmitted a LOT more couples would have Lyme. I am personal friends with 7 people with Lyme ... they are all married ... none of their spouses have the disease. They have all been infected for over 6 years. I've had Lyme for 11 years and my husband has never shown any signs at all. So, I guess it's all in the eye of the beholder, so to speak. Someone replied to this thread yesterday and said that my husband " wasn't showing signs yet " and the docs " were theorizing about Lyme being sexually transmitted " . Okay!! :-) As I said, no proven documentation at all. If you are concerned about possibly giving someone Lyme, then by all means, use precautions. Good luck! Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 Dear Friends, The publications officially do still say that Lyme cannot be transmitted sexually. However, I have read a number of articles in the past few years, and frequently this is increasingly mentioned, that research is being done to determine whether or not Lyme can be transmitted sexually. If there is this kind of concern in the medical community, then I think we should be concerned, too, especially if we are with a partner who does not have Lyme. We really can't say anything with absolute certainty. I have read, also, that in people with advanced, late-stage Lyme specifically, that some doctors are recommending that these particular couples use additional protection. I believe that is cautionary advice only, because we do not know for sure and maybe won't know for a long time. It probably still has to be an individual decision of both partners. Friends want to know if they can " catch " Lyme from being around me. They ask questions on just how it is acquired and I tell them what is currently published. People want to know if " caught " it from me, since he was diagnosed a year later, though we've both had it since we were young people, just undiagnosed. I assure them that Lyme cannot be transmitted sexually. I'm not sure this is believed, though, because people think it is strange that and I both have Lyme if it is not a communicable disease and we lived in different parts of the country when we were bitten and infected (California for me, East Coast endemic areas (Navy brat) for him). Love ya, Rose P.S. This isn't a flame on anyone's opinion by any means, just offering what I've read and/or heard on the subject, which probably isn't a lot. I don't know one way or the other, and I share these concerns as well. I hope they find definite answers for all of us soon. It's just something else we have to watch. From Edina <Absence of proof is not proof of absence... I know several highly respected Lyme literate docs that theorize about it being sexually transmitted. There is a doctor that was granted by the LDA to do research into whether it is or isn't, although I personally haven't seen the results of his study yet he did speak at the conference in Princeton saying that he will publish soon.> T.O.I.L. for Lyme! T=Teach tolerance; O=Overcome ignorance; I=Initiate insurance reform; L=Labor for Lyme literacy May is Lyme Disease Awareness Month www.angelfire.com/tx3/RoseWriter or www.angelfire.com/biz/romarkaraoke/james.html --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 Anyone can stick their head in the sand when it comes to the various facets of Lyme disease- this is just one more instance where if you chose to wait for the gold standard proof you will be the one sorry in the end. For years people with AIDS gave blood and many held that it was okay since there was no proof that it was transmitted that way, even our gov't allowed it, but there were people that knew " in their hearts " otherwise. I would not want the feeling associated with waiting for the proof. Especially not after having given Lyme unknowingly to my son. I can attest to the fact that the guilt runs deep in diseases such as Lyme or AIDs where they are preventable. Operate with a little responsibility- or you can go right ahead and pretend that Lyme isn't sexually transmitted just because no one has published anything on it. And by the way, where is the study supporting the notion that Lyme isn't?... there isn't one. Just a bunch of conjecture from those that would rather believe that Bb isn't capable possibly because using protection is a hassle, annoying, less gratifying, or however its use is perceived. I know of far too many couples with Lyme, whole families in fact- mine included and I would venture to say that I know of few instances where only one family member has Lyme. In many instances I see oodles of Lyme symptoms plausibly explained as many other things so I agree - it is all how you look at it. Edina Re: [ ] sexually transmitted lyme OK, I have read all this about Lyme being sexually transmitted....SO....... Is there even one PROVEN DOCUMENTED case of it being sexually transmitted??? If so, show me. Everyone can hypothesize the hell out of this but show me something with meat on the bones. Nope, nothing proven. Lots of " theories " out there, but in my mind if it were sexually transmitted a LOT more couples would have Lyme. I am personal friends with 7 people with Lyme ... they are all married ... none of their spouses have the disease. They have all been infected for over 6 years. I've had Lyme for 11 years and my husband has never shown any signs at all. So, I guess it's all in the eye of the beholder, so to speak. Someone replied to this thread yesterday and said that my husband " wasn't showing signs yet " and the docs " were theorizing about Lyme being sexually transmitted " . Okay!! :-) As I said, no proven documentation at all. If you are concerned about possibly giving someone Lyme, then by all means, use precautions. Good luck! Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 I have to agree with Edina, when I first saw my Lyme doctor back in January 1997, he advised me to bring my husband next visit for a Lyme check. He believes that the Bb like to hang out in a woman's bladder, and that there is a possibility that it could be passed to the male partner that way. My husband tested negative and has never had a symptom, we have used condoms ever since and he really doesn't mind. I cannot imagine two of us in this predicament, I love and rely on him too much to jeopardize his health. I have often said I would not wish this disease on my worst enemy, so I cannot fathom how one would take the chance of giving this disease to a spouse or loved one. As for proof, I can't figure out how they would do the research, the sex partner without LD would have to be tested and found negative (but are the tests reliable?) and then kept in a tick proof environment during the study, however long that would be. Cannot for the life of me figure out who would agree to this study. Marta ----- Original Message ----- From: " Edina Gibb " <edina@...> > Anyone can stick their head in the sand when it comes to the various facets of Lyme disease- this is just one more instance where if you chose to wait for the gold standard proof you will be the one sorry in the end. For years people with AIDS gave blood and many held that it was okay since there was no proof that it was transmitted that way, even our gov't allowed it, but there were people that knew " in their hearts " otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 Edina, You sound extremely angry with me because I have Lyme, my husband doesn't, and we made the decision to not use birth control. We've been married 32 years; I've had a hysterectomy, he had a vasectomy 28 years ago, and after many discussions with my LLMD we made the decision to NOT use any. My Dr. doesn't think there's any way it can be transmitted by making love. He may be wrong. We may be playing with fire. After 11 yrs. of no symptoms my husband may get Lyme. But if he does, God forbid, does that mean it was sexually transmitted or does it mean he was actually infected by a tick? He's an avid golfer so it's certainly possible that he could pick up a tick while looking for a lost ball. Would we ever know if he got it from me? I had the classic bull's-eye rash ... what if he doesn't? Kind of hard to tell, huh!!! Marta's Dr. thinks Bb can be transmitted from the woman's bladder to a male partner and they choose to use protection. That is certainly their choice. If you and your husband choose to use protection, that's wonderful. My Dr. is of a differing opinion and our choice is not to use protection. I said the other day when I responded to whoever started this thread that I would probably get flamed for my thoughts on this, and I guess I was right. And that's fine. I don't mind. But it won't change my mind. I just really don't think it's sexually transmitted and if that's " hiding my head in the sand " and " not acting responsibly " then I guess that's what I'm doing. Sorry if that makes you angry. And that's my last response on this subject. People are getting angry over differing opinions and that's not good. Exchanging ideas and thoughts is one thing but anger is not what's needed here. I left this list several years ago because a few people were angry, upset and flaming each other so I certainly don't want to be the one to start it. My apologies!!! Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 There are so many unknowns with Lyme, that if we stuck to what is proven , we would be deathly ill. When I got my dx , I was told that Ceftin was the only FDA approved Lyme abx. Yet LLMD's prescribe many more, all without 'Proof' of their effacicy. All to what end? LLMDs carry the 'Lyme' stigma and virtually 'cant' get published in Peer reviewed articles. As to how Lyme can go unnoticed, I went about 11 years after first infection before I started to show symptoms. I gave blood for about 10 of those infected years, and was on Birth Control. hubby shows no sign of infection, but who know, it may be dormant. Has there been a study done , that has been published by JAMA that Lyme can be transmitted by transfusion? Has there been a study done on ALL the abx we use, that proves they are good for Lyme? A month or so ago, a LLMD was published in an Alternative Medicine magazine stating that he feels that Lyme is transmitted through sex. Lyme is a Spirochete, just like Syphilus, I'd just bet it infects just like Syphilus too. The Gov doesnt want to admit that Lyme can be sexually transmitted, look at how much AIDs is costing. And look at how wrong they were about AIDs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 > And that's my last response on this subject. People are getting angry over differing opinions and that's not good. Exchanging ideas and thoughts is one thing but anger is not what's needed here. I left this list several years ago because a few people were angry, upset and flaming each other so I certainly don't want to be the one to start it. dont apologize because you think deferently. Thats human nature. I think that those that feel that Lyme can be spread this way, think of lyme as having the same motility as Syphilus. And the LLMDs that think this way, see enough families with Lyme, to also feel this way. I hope my hubby doesnt get it from me, and to help further ensure this, we use condoms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 In a message dated 4/27/2001 10:53:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, edina@... writes: > > Anyone can stick their head in the sand when it comes to the various facets > of Lyme disease- this is just one more instance where if you chose to wait > for the gold standard proof you will be the one sorry in the end. For years > people with AIDS gave blood and many held that it was okay since there was > Dear Edina, I don't think we are sticking our heads in the sand. Yes, it is wise to be careful, no argument there. We really don't know yet. As I said recently, I don't believe that Lyme is transmitted sexually, but I don't know for sure. At any rate, I know of many, many couples where only the husband or wife has Lyme, not both. Yes, you would be correct if you said that MAYBE the partner actually does have Lyme, but just doesn't know it yet. You'd also be right if you said that if the partner were to be tested & the test show up as negative, that wouldn't prove that the partner didn't have Lyme either. Same with AIDS, but AIDS is easier to test for, at least after a few months. When I mentioned about Lyme being transmitted from a tick bite or from a mother to an unborn fetus, I forgot to add that I believe it is also transmissible via blood donations. In fact, I used to be a regular, dedicated donor of both whole blood & platelets. January 31, 1999 was my last blood donation. March 3, 1999 I got my official Lyme diagnosis. Believe me, tho it hurt, I never gave blood again, would never knowingly give anyone a disease.When I donated blood, in my heart I KNEW that every donation saved at least one life. It always was a gift of love. (I reported my Lyme diagnosis to the blood bank the same day I received it.) I don't believe it is PROVEN that Lyme can be transmitted by a blood donation, and now potential donors with Lyme are excluded, ...BUT if you " HAD " Lyme & were treated, after one year, you are allowed to donate blood again. This is scary stuff, as we don't know for sure if the spirochetes are hiding, as they can do well, or if people really do get completely cured. On the other hand, as far as I know, to this day, anyone who may have Lyme & not know it & not yet be diagnosed is free to donate blood.... AND THE DONATED BLOOD IS NOT TESTED FOR LYME. It pains & tortures me to think of all that can go wrong, but also that I COULD be saving lives by donating even my Lyme-tainted blood. When my mother was dying from Leukemia, she required daily blood transfusions of whole blood, and several transfusions of packed platelets every week. It is the only thing that kept her alive. Without them she would have bled to death or died from oxygen starvation. If I were as sick as my mother was, I'd be grateful to receive Lyme-tainted blood, as Leukemia (or goodness knows how many other serious diseases) will kill faster. She was immune-compromised anyway. Of course disease-free blood is best, and that is what I believed I was donating, but (if one believes the propaganda, and in this case I do) there is such a shortage of donor blood that I believe informed consent should play a part too. If I'm not making sense, & if my thoughts are rambling & scattered, blame my brain-fog, as I guess much of what I'm writing is emotional, from the heart, and not scientifically based. Hugs, a Aida Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 In a message dated 4/27/2001 12:43:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rod@... writes: > The Gov doesnt want to admit that Lyme can be sexually transmitted, > look at how much AIDs is costing. And look at how wrong they were about > AIDs Dear Pepi & everyone, Just curious: WHY would the government NOT want to admit that Lyme can be sexually transmitted, .... assuming it can be???? What does the government have to lose or gain? Isn't truth preferable? Hugs, a Aida Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 In a message dated 4/27/2001 11:48:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jean@... writes: > After 11 yrs. of no symptoms my husband may get Lyme. But if he does, God > forbid, does that mean it was sexually transmitted or does it mean he was > actually infected by a tick? He's an avid golfer so it's certainly > possible that he could pick up a tick while looking for a lost ball. Would > we ever know if he got it from me? I had the classic bull's-eye rash ... > what if he doesn't? Kind of hard to tell, huh!!! Dear You have a valid point. Remember with AIDS, that gay dentist in Florida? He infected his teenage patient Bergalis & at least 5 other patients. Before the facts were known, Bergalis was ridiculed, people accused her of getting AIDS sexually & she insisted she was a virgin, etc. For a while people didn't believe her, BUT when the testing came out that not only could show definitive AIDS, but also could DIFFERENTIATE VARIOUS STRAINS OF IT, it finally was proven to be connected (same strain) to the dentist. Someday, hopefully soon, testing will be able to differentiate strains of Bb, & we will be able to know if husband & wife (etc) have the same strain. Yes, I know the Bb mutates, or something like that, and I also realize that just because a husband & wife end up having the same strain doesn't necessarily PROVE that it was was transmitted sexually, ..... because they could have walked in the same park together & been bitten by similarly infected ticks. But once more pieces of the puzzle fit together, we will have more to go on. I pray for a definitive test to come out, so it will not be false positives & false negatives & maybes. I believe most of us are doing what we feel is caring & responsible. And, .... just by being here, it shows that we are trying to keep up with the latest developments, to learn, to be aware. Warm hugs to all, a Aida Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 In a message dated 4/27/2001 5:28:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rod@... writes: > > > Just curious: WHY would the government NOT want to admit that Lyme can be > > sexually transmitted, .... assuming it can be???? > > What does the government have to lose or gain? > > Isn't truth preferable? > > > Ahhhhhhhh This is the Gov we are talking about. $$$$$$$$$$ dives them, not > honestly or truth. > > Well, I still dont' understand. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 Just to voice my own opinion here. I agree with our LLMD that it's most likely sexually transmitted. See, my Husband and I have only been married for not quite three years and together for not quite four years. We've never gone hiking, fishing, camping, hunting...and so on together. Fwiw, we didn't even know each other before that, nor did I even live in this State. Besides that, I firmly believe I got this before my 13 yr old Son was even born, which is years and years before Husband and I even met. Sal > Hi Everyone, > > I just want to add my 2 cents. > > While I don't think Lyme is sexually transmitted, of course, I'm not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 Geez, don't be sensitive I thought we were having a discussion. I am not angry in the least and certainly didn't mean to come across as offensive. Dropping it is fine by me- best wishes, Edina Re: [ ] sexually transmitted lyme Edina, You sound extremely angry with me because I have Lyme, my husband doesn't, and we made the decision to not use birth control. We've been married 32 years; I've had a hysterectomy, he had a vasectomy 28 years ago, and after many discussions with my LLMD we made the decision to NOT use any. My Dr. doesn't think there's any way it can be transmitted by making love. He may be wrong. We may be playing with fire. After 11 yrs. of no symptoms my husband may get Lyme. But if he does, God forbid, does that mean it was sexually transmitted or does it mean he was actually infected by a tick? He's an avid golfer so it's certainly possible that he could pick up a tick while looking for a lost ball. Would we ever know if he got it from me? I had the classic bull's-eye rash ... what if he doesn't? Kind of hard to tell, huh!!! Marta's Dr. thinks Bb can be transmitted from the woman's bladder to a male partner and they choose to use protection. That is certainly their choice. If you and your husband choose to use protection, that's wonderful. My Dr. is of a differing opinion and our choice is not to use protection. I said the other day when I responded to whoever started this thread that I would probably get flamed for my thoughts on this, and I guess I was right. And that's fine. I don't mind. But it won't change my mind. I just really don't think it's sexually transmitted and if that's " hiding my head in the sand " and " not acting responsibly " then I guess that's what I'm doing. Sorry if that makes you angry. And that's my last response on this subject. People are getting angry over differing opinions and that's not good. Exchanging ideas and thoughts is one thing but anger is not what's needed here. I left this list several years ago because a few people were angry, upset and flaming each other so I certainly don't want to be the one to start it. My apologies!!! Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 In a message dated 4/27/2001 12:43:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rod@... writes: > A month or so ago, a > LLMD was published in an Alternative Medicine magazine stating that he feels > that Lyme is transmitted through sex. Lyme is a Spirochete, just like > Syphilus, I'd just bet it infects just like Syphilus too. > Dear Pepi & all, I (still not believing that Lyme is normally transmitted thru sex) have a question/ thought for you all: Yes, Lyme & Syphilis both are caused by spirochetes. But, to my way of thinking, just because both involve spirochetes does NOT mean that both act the same ways or are transmitted the same way. Similarly, just because a disease is caused by a virus, this doesn't mean that all diseases caused by viruses are spread the same way, have the same symptoms, etc. Everyone knows that Syphilis is a sexually transmitted disease. Everyone knows that Lyme is spread by tick bites (and possible other means). My question: HAS ANYONE EVER HEARD OF SYPHILIS BEING SPREAD BY TICK BITES (or any non-sexual means other than possible blood transfusion or maternal/fetal transmission)? My point is that I believe Lyme & Syphilis are different, so just because Syphilis is spread sexually, that doesn't mean that Lyme is spread this way too. (Now, why couldn't I have said this in one short sentence. My brain is a mess.) Hugs, a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 > Just curious: WHY would the government NOT want to admit that Lyme can be > sexually transmitted, .... assuming it can be???? > What does the government have to lose or gain? > Isn't truth preferable? Ahhhhhhhh This is the Gov we are talking about. $$$$$$$$$$ dives them, not honestly or truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2001 Report Share Posted April 27, 2001 I also have had the disease since 1982, got treatment in Feb. of 1990 & have been married since March of 1990 and my hubby has shown no signs (neither have any of my 4 kids) as of yet & hope never do. Dawn~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2001 Report Share Posted April 28, 2001 I wonder how we would know if it is sexually transmitted or not? Who is to say that our spouse/partner contracted it from us or was also bitten and not known? Good research story. FrancineNJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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