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Thinking about it, I would think that if you have been given orders by a

doctor to give zantac or prilosec through a j tube that digestive enzymes

would not be an issue. Digestive enzymes can be given during a meal. When

we first began digestive enzymes we gave them to our daughter during the

meal. They worked. When we learned from Patti that they work best when

given prior to a meal we switched to giving them right before eating with

water. Sometimes we forgot and gave them during the meal.

What I'm wondering is if it might be worth trying to mix the digestive

enzymes in your formula right before feeding. I would not try this if you

are using a pump. Are you using a pump? If the food is not going into the

stomach then you definitely would not want to put the enzymes into the

stomach. I have no idea how long food stays in the jejunum. This would

actually be a good question for a good homeopathic doctor. Your gastro

doctor may even be able to help you with this.

Just trying to brain storm with you,

Rhonda

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Hmmm...... I don't know the answer on whether the enzymes can bypass the

stomach. I know it's easy to give them through a g-tube. In fact, I think

Rhonda posted about this earlier today. But, am not sure if enzymes should

be mixing with the food IN the stomach first, before passing along down the

line. Not sure on that.

I do know that neither Zantac or Prilosec worked for Katera....... but

enzymes, plus lowering the ratio slightly, sure did turn things around.

What's his ratio? I know he hasn't been on the diet long...... but if he has

super high ketones and reflux, I'd suspect he's on a high one. You said his

glucose has been high, though..... and as I said, I think cutting calories

back a bit might help out there. Kinda depends on his seizure control as to

whether you are feeling the need to tweak things and make this work best for

him.

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Rhonda,

Thanks for your help. Yes, we use a pump with ; he is on the pump

about 18 hours a day. We cannot turn the pump up past 85 as it causes

him to vomit and may having some " dumping. " I don't know how long food

stays in the jejunum either, that's a good question, although I have

been told not to give more than 15ml at a time in his j tube as the

jejunum can only hold a small amount at a time. I know you mentioned

about giving 30ml of water with the enzyme..this would be too much at

one time.

I have a call in to his GI doctor and am curious what he will say about

the enzymes. He's all for natural and homeopathic remedies if they

work. Prior to the diet I had on cell salts (minerals) and it

REALLY helped the reflux; the dietician felt he didn't need the extra

minerals while being on the KetoCal, feels this is sufficient, but I

just wonder about putting him back on the cell salts.

Thanks again,

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Re: digestive enzymes

,

Hmmm...... I don't know the answer on whether the enzymes can bypass the

stomach. I know it's easy to give them through a g-tube. In fact, I

think

Rhonda posted about this earlier today. But, am not sure if enzymes

should

be mixing with the food IN the stomach first, before passing along down

the

line. Not sure on that.

I do know that neither Zantac or Prilosec worked for Katera....... but

enzymes, plus lowering the ratio slightly, sure did turn things around.

What's his ratio? I know he hasn't been on the diet long...... but if he

has

super high ketones and reflux, I'd suspect he's on a high one. You said

his

glucose has been high, though..... and as I said, I think cutting

calories

back a bit might help out there. Kinda depends on his seizure control as

to

whether you are feeling the need to tweak things and make this work best

for

him.

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I would be interested in what your GI has to say. I'm thinking that it

would not work due to the low volume that the jejunum can handle. You would

need a machine that gives 1 granule app. very 2 min. that works along with

the pump. I would restart the cell salts. If something has worked in the

past then I would not hesitate to going back to it, especially something

like cell salts. Cell salts was a topic at some point on this list over the

past year or 2. There seems to be some good benefits from it. If your son

was benefiting from it I wouldn't quit it. If I remember right, cell salts

have benefits that you get from bathing in it. Obviously, the nutrition is

not giving him the same benefits that he experienced from the cell salts.

Too bad that the dietician had you stop them.

Rhonda

Rhonda,

Thanks for your help. Yes, we use a pump with ; he is on the pump

about 18 hours a day. We cannot turn the pump up past 85 as it causes

him to vomit and may having some " dumping. " I don't know how long food

stays in the jejunum either, that's a good question, although I have

been told not to give more than 15ml at a time in his j tube as the

jejunum can only hold a small amount at a time. I know you mentioned

about giving 30ml of water with the enzyme..this would be too much at

one time.

I have a call in to his GI doctor and am curious what he will say about

the enzymes. He's all for natural and homeopathic remedies if they

work. Prior to the diet I had on cell salts (minerals) and it

REALLY helped the reflux; the dietician felt he didn't need the extra

minerals while being on the KetoCal, feels this is sufficient, but I

just wonder about putting him back on the cell salts.

Thanks again,

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I would be interested in what your GI has to say. I'm thinking that it

would not work due to the low volume that the jejunum can handle. You would

need a machine that gives 1 granule app. very 2 min. that works along with

the pump. I would restart the cell salts. If something has worked in the

past then I would not hesitate to going back to it, especially something

like cell salts. Cell salts was a topic at some point on this list over the

past year or 2. There seems to be some good benefits from it. If your son

was benefiting from it I wouldn't quit it. If I remember right, cell salts

have benefits that you get from bathing in it. Obviously, the nutrition is

not giving him the same benefits that he experienced from the cell salts.

Too bad that the dietician had you stop them.

Rhonda

Rhonda,

Thanks for your help. Yes, we use a pump with ; he is on the pump

about 18 hours a day. We cannot turn the pump up past 85 as it causes

him to vomit and may having some " dumping. " I don't know how long food

stays in the jejunum either, that's a good question, although I have

been told not to give more than 15ml at a time in his j tube as the

jejunum can only hold a small amount at a time. I know you mentioned

about giving 30ml of water with the enzyme..this would be too much at

one time.

I have a call in to his GI doctor and am curious what he will say about

the enzymes. He's all for natural and homeopathic remedies if they

work. Prior to the diet I had on cell salts (minerals) and it

REALLY helped the reflux; the dietician felt he didn't need the extra

minerals while being on the KetoCal, feels this is sufficient, but I

just wonder about putting him back on the cell salts.

Thanks again,

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I would be interested in what your GI has to say. I'm thinking that it

would not work due to the low volume that the jejunum can handle. You would

need a machine that gives 1 granule app. very 2 min. that works along with

the pump. I would restart the cell salts. If something has worked in the

past then I would not hesitate to going back to it, especially something

like cell salts. Cell salts was a topic at some point on this list over the

past year or 2. There seems to be some good benefits from it. If your son

was benefiting from it I wouldn't quit it. If I remember right, cell salts

have benefits that you get from bathing in it. Obviously, the nutrition is

not giving him the same benefits that he experienced from the cell salts.

Too bad that the dietician had you stop them.

Rhonda

Rhonda,

Thanks for your help. Yes, we use a pump with ; he is on the pump

about 18 hours a day. We cannot turn the pump up past 85 as it causes

him to vomit and may having some " dumping. " I don't know how long food

stays in the jejunum either, that's a good question, although I have

been told not to give more than 15ml at a time in his j tube as the

jejunum can only hold a small amount at a time. I know you mentioned

about giving 30ml of water with the enzyme..this would be too much at

one time.

I have a call in to his GI doctor and am curious what he will say about

the enzymes. He's all for natural and homeopathic remedies if they

work. Prior to the diet I had on cell salts (minerals) and it

REALLY helped the reflux; the dietician felt he didn't need the extra

minerals while being on the KetoCal, feels this is sufficient, but I

just wonder about putting him back on the cell salts.

Thanks again,

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