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,

You're amazing! Two miles at 3 weeks? That's fantastic. And not that I'm

comparing, but if I'm able to do half that in the same time (and i know this

isn't a contest) I will be ecstatic. Do you go to physio also? Any tips you

can pass on to speed my recovery while at the same time building a solid

foundation for future health and wellness?

Steph

RBHR to be

De Smet April2, '03

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Hi Steph,

I wish I could accept the compliment but I'm not really the amazing

ingredient here, the resurfacing is. It's surprising to me that my

recovery's been so uneventful and rapid. I'd been told it would

probably be like that but couldn't believe it until it happened.

You'll be in good hands with Dr. DeSmet. Just ask him all the

questions you can think of and then do exactly what he says. I'm

still doing the exercises that his PT, Marc, gave me to do. He said

to walk, walk, walk; so, I'm walking. I won't add anything to that

until I've reached the 6 week mark. Then I'll start PT with a

therapist.

I'm excited for you. You'll be hoofing it before you know it.

2/19/03 BHR DeSmet

> ,

> You're amazing! Two miles at 3 weeks? That's fantastic. And not

that I'm

> comparing, but if I'm able to do half that in the same time (and i

know this

> isn't a contest) I will be ecstatic. Do you go to physio also? Any

tips you

> can pass on to speed my recovery while at the same time building a

solid

> foundation for future health and wellness?

> Steph

> RBHR to be

> De Smet April2, '03

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Hi Steph,

I wish I could accept the compliment but I'm not really the amazing

ingredient here, the resurfacing is. It's surprising to me that my

recovery's been so uneventful and rapid. I'd been told it would

probably be like that but couldn't believe it until it happened.

You'll be in good hands with Dr. DeSmet. Just ask him all the

questions you can think of and then do exactly what he says. I'm

still doing the exercises that his PT, Marc, gave me to do. He said

to walk, walk, walk; so, I'm walking. I won't add anything to that

until I've reached the 6 week mark. Then I'll start PT with a

therapist.

I'm excited for you. You'll be hoofing it before you know it.

2/19/03 BHR DeSmet

> ,

> You're amazing! Two miles at 3 weeks? That's fantastic. And not

that I'm

> comparing, but if I'm able to do half that in the same time (and i

know this

> isn't a contest) I will be ecstatic. Do you go to physio also? Any

tips you

> can pass on to speed my recovery while at the same time building a

solid

> foundation for future health and wellness?

> Steph

> RBHR to be

> De Smet April2, '03

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Kudos! And - for my infor - Is this walking with a cane? a crutch? two

crutches? Keep it up!

M

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In a message dated 3/13/2003 5:14:32 PM Pacific Standard Time,

lmlfxva@... writes:

> My husband and I walked almost two miles today. It is hard to

> believe that I've only had this hip for a little over 3 weeks. I'm

> finding that every day I'm able to do new things and am feeling

> stronger. I need to work on regaining my balance, muscle and

> stamina. You're probably familiar with this or a similar saying: " A

> person's unbalance is the same as a weight. "

>

>

Hi :

You're wise to do what your body tells you. I have a kind of funny story

about the walking. When I was at the Royal Orthopedic, by Day 4 after surgery

I was going stir crazy from just having the corridor to walk up and down, so

I asked the nurses if I could go outside. They said there was a nice

courtyard with a fishpond. So off I went.

I found the pond and sat there for a while, but even that got boring, so I

decided to walk to the gate of the hospital. I stood there for a while and an

elderly gent came down the sidewalk. When he reached me, I asked him where I

could get a cappuccino. Needless to say there ain't no Starbucks at the Royal

Orthopedic.

He told me there was a coffee shop called Jimmy's up the road a bit. He said

it wasn't far and I believed him since he didn't look like much of a walker.

Well it was probably about a mile uphill, but I made it and had my

cappuccino. I then returned to the hospital where, as I reached my room, the

phone rang. It was none other than my surgeon, Mr. Treacy, who wanted to know

what I had been doing.

I nonchalantly said I'd gone to Jimmy's for a cappuccino. After a long

silence, he said: " No-one's ever done that before " . Suitably admonished, I

went for another shorter walk that afternoon. Once I was discharged after my

week at the ROH, I made a practice of walking between about 4 and 9 miles a

day until my return to California 2 weeks after discharge.

The only difficulty I had was when I went to the Cadbury's chocolate factory,

there is a little train ride and I couldn't sit down in the train (It's kid

sized) so I had to stand up and hold on tight. Otherwise the walking was lots

of fun, especially when there's so much to see. I'm an avid photographer and

came back from Birmingham with some great shots, including one of the scar on

my butt which I persuaded a nurse to take. The folks back at the office loved

it.

So walk on, and on, and on and on.

Des Tuck

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Kudos! And - for my infor - Is this walking with a cane? a crutch? two

crutches? Keep it up!

M

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In a message dated 3/13/2003 5:14:32 PM Pacific Standard Time,

lmlfxva@... writes:

> My husband and I walked almost two miles today. It is hard to

> believe that I've only had this hip for a little over 3 weeks. I'm

> finding that every day I'm able to do new things and am feeling

> stronger. I need to work on regaining my balance, muscle and

> stamina. You're probably familiar with this or a similar saying: " A

> person's unbalance is the same as a weight. "

>

>

Hi :

You're wise to do what your body tells you. I have a kind of funny story

about the walking. When I was at the Royal Orthopedic, by Day 4 after surgery

I was going stir crazy from just having the corridor to walk up and down, so

I asked the nurses if I could go outside. They said there was a nice

courtyard with a fishpond. So off I went.

I found the pond and sat there for a while, but even that got boring, so I

decided to walk to the gate of the hospital. I stood there for a while and an

elderly gent came down the sidewalk. When he reached me, I asked him where I

could get a cappuccino. Needless to say there ain't no Starbucks at the Royal

Orthopedic.

He told me there was a coffee shop called Jimmy's up the road a bit. He said

it wasn't far and I believed him since he didn't look like much of a walker.

Well it was probably about a mile uphill, but I made it and had my

cappuccino. I then returned to the hospital where, as I reached my room, the

phone rang. It was none other than my surgeon, Mr. Treacy, who wanted to know

what I had been doing.

I nonchalantly said I'd gone to Jimmy's for a cappuccino. After a long

silence, he said: " No-one's ever done that before " . Suitably admonished, I

went for another shorter walk that afternoon. Once I was discharged after my

week at the ROH, I made a practice of walking between about 4 and 9 miles a

day until my return to California 2 weeks after discharge.

The only difficulty I had was when I went to the Cadbury's chocolate factory,

there is a little train ride and I couldn't sit down in the train (It's kid

sized) so I had to stand up and hold on tight. Otherwise the walking was lots

of fun, especially when there's so much to see. I'm an avid photographer and

came back from Birmingham with some great shots, including one of the scar on

my butt which I persuaded a nurse to take. The folks back at the office loved

it.

So walk on, and on, and on and on.

Des Tuck

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In a message dated 3/13/2003 9:01:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,

michele@... writes:

> Kudos! And - for my infor - Is this walking with a cane? a crutch? two

> crutches? Keep it up!

> M

>

Two canes.

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michele@... writes:

> Kudos! And - for my infor - Is this walking with a cane? a crutch? two

> crutches? Keep it up!

> M

>

Two canes.

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In a message dated 3/14/2003 7:44:41 AM Pacific Standard Time,

rdanzey@... writes:

> Just thought I'd mention that (if I ever go into surgery--this is a

> drawn out process at best, for me) I'll do so as a well honed couch

> potato<G>.

>

> One reason I want a resurfacing is I'd like to kick it up a notch...

>

> danz

>

A hammock potato maybe? Those things are tough to get into even with good

hips!

Des

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In a message dated 3/14/2003 7:44:41 AM Pacific Standard Time,

rdanzey@... writes:

> Just thought I'd mention that (if I ever go into surgery--this is a

> drawn out process at best, for me) I'll do so as a well honed couch

> potato<G>.

>

> One reason I want a resurfacing is I'd like to kick it up a notch...

>

> danz

>

A hammock potato maybe? Those things are tough to get into even with good

hips!

Des

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In a message dated 3/14/2003 7:44:41 AM Pacific Standard Time,

rdanzey@... writes:

> Just thought I'd mention that (if I ever go into surgery--this is a

> drawn out process at best, for me) I'll do so as a well honed couch

> potato<G>.

>

> One reason I want a resurfacing is I'd like to kick it up a notch...

>

> danz

>

A hammock potato maybe? Those things are tough to get into even with good

hips!

Des

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Michele,

All of my walking is being done with the aid of two short hand

crutches vs the under arm style that are used to releave or eliminate

weight where needed. The crutches were ordered by Dr. DeSmet because

during the operation he found the bone in my operated leg " soft " . He

instructed me to use the two crutches for a minimun of 6 weeks. (BTW,

a bone density scan 4 weeks prior to surgery showed that the other

leg and my spine had no noticable density loss.) It is my understand

that it normally takes 6 weeks for bone to mend. After mending it's

my understand that increased density is promoted by weight bearing

use and nutrition. (Medical folks, please feel free to correct any

misunderstand I may have.)

The crutches are used to offer minimal support and insurance against

falling. In other words, I do not lean on them. I walk standing

tall and placing full and even weight on each leg. This method was

taught and emphasized by the PT in Belgium. After 6 weeks, if I feel

strong enough, I can eliminate the 1 crutch on my bad side and

continue using the crutch opposite my operated leg until there is no

sign of a limp or imbalance.

I've come far enough now, that walking on 1 crutch seems sufficient

and it's a great temptation to use only 1. However, I'm not the

doctor and I have to believe that he knows a lot more about this

subject than I do. I'll follow his instructions because I want to

give this leg the maximum opportunity to heal properly.

My best, 2/19/03 BHR DeSmet

> Kudos! And - for my infor - Is this walking with a cane? a crutch?

two crutches? Keep it up!

> M

> Re: Re: Week 3 report

>

>

> In a message dated 3/13/2003 5:14:32 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> lmlfxva@h... writes:

>

> > My husband and I walked almost two miles today. It is hard to

> > believe that I've only had this hip for a little over 3 weeks.

I'm

> > finding that every day I'm able to do new things and am feeling

> > stronger. I need to work on regaining my balance, muscle and

> > stamina. You're probably familiar with this or a similar

saying: " A

> > person's unbalance is the same as a weight. "

> >

> >

>

> Hi :

>

> You're wise to do what your body tells you. I have a kind of

funny story

> about the walking. When I was at the Royal Orthopedic, by Day 4

after surgery

> I was going stir crazy from just having the corridor to walk up

and down, so

> I asked the nurses if I could go outside. They said there was a

nice

> courtyard with a fishpond. So off I went.

>

> I found the pond and sat there for a while, but even that got

boring, so I

> decided to walk to the gate of the hospital. I stood there for a

while and an

> elderly gent came down the sidewalk. When he reached me, I asked

him where I

> could get a cappuccino. Needless to say there ain't no Starbucks

at the Royal

> Orthopedic.

>

> He told me there was a coffee shop called Jimmy's up the road a

bit. He said

> it wasn't far and I believed him since he didn't look like much

of a walker.

>

> Well it was probably about a mile uphill, but I made it and had

my

> cappuccino. I then returned to the hospital where, as I reached

my room, the

> phone rang. It was none other than my surgeon, Mr. Treacy, who

wanted to know

> what I had been doing.

>

> I nonchalantly said I'd gone to Jimmy's for a cappuccino. After a

long

> silence, he said: " No-one's ever done that before " . Suitably

admonished, I

> went for another shorter walk that afternoon. Once I was

discharged after my

> week at the ROH, I made a practice of walking between about 4 and

9 miles a

> day until my return to California 2 weeks after discharge.

>

> The only difficulty I had was when I went to the Cadbury's

chocolate factory,

> there is a little train ride and I couldn't sit down in the train

(It's kid

> sized) so I had to stand up and hold on tight. Otherwise the

walking was lots

> of fun, especially when there's so much to see. I'm an avid

photographer and

> came back from Birmingham with some great shots, including one of

the scar on

> my butt which I persuaded a nurse to take. The folks back at the

office loved

> it.

>

> So walk on, and on, and on and on.

>

> Des Tuck

>

>

>

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In a message dated 3/14/2003 11:17:16 AM Pacific Standard Time,

sustina@... writes:

> what a wonderful walking story.

> it's stories like yours and linda's which make this resurfacing such a

> god-send.

> great example to us all, tho' i don't know if i'd ever be so brave. just

> looking forward to spending lots of time in the pool in ghent doing water

> walking, and then the steam room, and then the water again, and then,

> maybe,

> a boring old corridor, and then out for dinner with bob in beautiful (i

> hear) ghent.

>

Hi Steph:

Thanks for your kinds words. To be perfectly honest, I wouldn't recommend

going out on a limb (excuse the pun) like I did on Day 4. When I got back I

was exhausted and worried I had overdone it. No pain, though,except from the

incision.

Everyone must listen to their own body, and of course their own surgeon. I

think I was just so exhilarated by the notion that my hip didn't hurt any

more that I cast caution to the winds and walked on the wet leaves up and

down a long, slippery pavement.

In my early working days, one of our secretaries used to call me " reckless "

and I suppose she was right.

Des

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In a message dated 3/14/2003 11:17:16 AM Pacific Standard Time,

sustina@... writes:

> what a wonderful walking story.

> it's stories like yours and linda's which make this resurfacing such a

> god-send.

> great example to us all, tho' i don't know if i'd ever be so brave. just

> looking forward to spending lots of time in the pool in ghent doing water

> walking, and then the steam room, and then the water again, and then,

> maybe,

> a boring old corridor, and then out for dinner with bob in beautiful (i

> hear) ghent.

>

Hi Steph:

Thanks for your kinds words. To be perfectly honest, I wouldn't recommend

going out on a limb (excuse the pun) like I did on Day 4. When I got back I

was exhausted and worried I had overdone it. No pain, though,except from the

incision.

Everyone must listen to their own body, and of course their own surgeon. I

think I was just so exhilarated by the notion that my hip didn't hurt any

more that I cast caution to the winds and walked on the wet leaves up and

down a long, slippery pavement.

In my early working days, one of our secretaries used to call me " reckless "

and I suppose she was right.

Des

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In a message dated 3/14/2003 11:17:16 AM Pacific Standard Time,

sustina@... writes:

> what a wonderful walking story.

> it's stories like yours and linda's which make this resurfacing such a

> god-send.

> great example to us all, tho' i don't know if i'd ever be so brave. just

> looking forward to spending lots of time in the pool in ghent doing water

> walking, and then the steam room, and then the water again, and then,

> maybe,

> a boring old corridor, and then out for dinner with bob in beautiful (i

> hear) ghent.

>

Hi Steph:

Thanks for your kinds words. To be perfectly honest, I wouldn't recommend

going out on a limb (excuse the pun) like I did on Day 4. When I got back I

was exhausted and worried I had overdone it. No pain, though,except from the

incision.

Everyone must listen to their own body, and of course their own surgeon. I

think I was just so exhilarated by the notion that my hip didn't hurt any

more that I cast caution to the winds and walked on the wet leaves up and

down a long, slippery pavement.

In my early working days, one of our secretaries used to call me " reckless "

and I suppose she was right.

Des

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Hey Des,

Great story.

As we know, each person is different and a lot of folks could not

have gone that distance. For some a 3 minute walk is exhausting and

that's where listening to our bodies comes in. It's important for

each of us to go at our own pace and not compare out.

So, for anyone who has read Des's message and is wondering how he did

it. Just know that he came into the surgery a well honed athelete.

He had the muscle and mind to support his post-op activities.

2/19/03 BHR DeSmet

> Hi :

>

> You're wise to do what your body tells you. I have a kind of funny

story

> about the walking. When I was at the Royal Orthopedic, by Day 4

after surgery

> I was going stir crazy from just having the corridor to walk up and

down, so

> I asked the nurses if I could go outside. They said there was a

nice

> courtyard with a fishpond. So off I went.

>

> I found the pond and sat there for a while, but even that got

boring, so I

> decided to walk to the gate of the hospital. I stood there for a

while and an

> elderly gent came down the sidewalk. When he reached me, I asked

him where I

> could get a cappuccino. Needless to say there ain't no Starbucks at

the Royal

> Orthopedic.

>

> He told me there was a coffee shop called Jimmy's up the road a

bit. He said

> it wasn't far and I believed him since he didn't look like much of

a walker.

>

> Well it was probably about a mile uphill, but I made it and had my

> cappuccino. I then returned to the hospital where, as I reached my

room, the

> phone rang. It was none other than my surgeon, Mr. Treacy, who

wanted to know

> what I had been doing.

>

> I nonchalantly said I'd gone to Jimmy's for a cappuccino. After a

long

> silence, he said: " No-one's ever done that before " . Suitably

admonished, I

> went for another shorter walk that afternoon. Once I was

discharged after my

> week at the ROH, I made a practice of walking between about 4 and 9

miles a

> day until my return to California 2 weeks after discharge.

>

> The only difficulty I had was when I went to the Cadbury's

chocolate factory,

> there is a little train ride and I couldn't sit down in the train

(It's kid

> sized) so I had to stand up and hold on tight. Otherwise the

walking was lots

> of fun, especially when there's so much to see. I'm an avid

photographer and

> came back from Birmingham with some great shots, including one of

the scar on

> my butt which I persuaded a nurse to take. The folks back at the

office loved

> it.

>

> So walk on, and on, and on and on.

>

> Des Tuck

>

>

>

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Hey Des,

Great story.

As we know, each person is different and a lot of folks could not

have gone that distance. For some a 3 minute walk is exhausting and

that's where listening to our bodies comes in. It's important for

each of us to go at our own pace and not compare out.

So, for anyone who has read Des's message and is wondering how he did

it. Just know that he came into the surgery a well honed athelete.

He had the muscle and mind to support his post-op activities.

2/19/03 BHR DeSmet

> Hi :

>

> You're wise to do what your body tells you. I have a kind of funny

story

> about the walking. When I was at the Royal Orthopedic, by Day 4

after surgery

> I was going stir crazy from just having the corridor to walk up and

down, so

> I asked the nurses if I could go outside. They said there was a

nice

> courtyard with a fishpond. So off I went.

>

> I found the pond and sat there for a while, but even that got

boring, so I

> decided to walk to the gate of the hospital. I stood there for a

while and an

> elderly gent came down the sidewalk. When he reached me, I asked

him where I

> could get a cappuccino. Needless to say there ain't no Starbucks at

the Royal

> Orthopedic.

>

> He told me there was a coffee shop called Jimmy's up the road a

bit. He said

> it wasn't far and I believed him since he didn't look like much of

a walker.

>

> Well it was probably about a mile uphill, but I made it and had my

> cappuccino. I then returned to the hospital where, as I reached my

room, the

> phone rang. It was none other than my surgeon, Mr. Treacy, who

wanted to know

> what I had been doing.

>

> I nonchalantly said I'd gone to Jimmy's for a cappuccino. After a

long

> silence, he said: " No-one's ever done that before " . Suitably

admonished, I

> went for another shorter walk that afternoon. Once I was

discharged after my

> week at the ROH, I made a practice of walking between about 4 and 9

miles a

> day until my return to California 2 weeks after discharge.

>

> The only difficulty I had was when I went to the Cadbury's

chocolate factory,

> there is a little train ride and I couldn't sit down in the train

(It's kid

> sized) so I had to stand up and hold on tight. Otherwise the

walking was lots

> of fun, especially when there's so much to see. I'm an avid

photographer and

> came back from Birmingham with some great shots, including one of

the scar on

> my butt which I persuaded a nurse to take. The folks back at the

office loved

> it.

>

> So walk on, and on, and on and on.

>

> Des Tuck

>

>

>

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Hey Des,

Great story.

As we know, each person is different and a lot of folks could not

have gone that distance. For some a 3 minute walk is exhausting and

that's where listening to our bodies comes in. It's important for

each of us to go at our own pace and not compare out.

So, for anyone who has read Des's message and is wondering how he did

it. Just know that he came into the surgery a well honed athelete.

He had the muscle and mind to support his post-op activities.

2/19/03 BHR DeSmet

> Hi :

>

> You're wise to do what your body tells you. I have a kind of funny

story

> about the walking. When I was at the Royal Orthopedic, by Day 4

after surgery

> I was going stir crazy from just having the corridor to walk up and

down, so

> I asked the nurses if I could go outside. They said there was a

nice

> courtyard with a fishpond. So off I went.

>

> I found the pond and sat there for a while, but even that got

boring, so I

> decided to walk to the gate of the hospital. I stood there for a

while and an

> elderly gent came down the sidewalk. When he reached me, I asked

him where I

> could get a cappuccino. Needless to say there ain't no Starbucks at

the Royal

> Orthopedic.

>

> He told me there was a coffee shop called Jimmy's up the road a

bit. He said

> it wasn't far and I believed him since he didn't look like much of

a walker.

>

> Well it was probably about a mile uphill, but I made it and had my

> cappuccino. I then returned to the hospital where, as I reached my

room, the

> phone rang. It was none other than my surgeon, Mr. Treacy, who

wanted to know

> what I had been doing.

>

> I nonchalantly said I'd gone to Jimmy's for a cappuccino. After a

long

> silence, he said: " No-one's ever done that before " . Suitably

admonished, I

> went for another shorter walk that afternoon. Once I was

discharged after my

> week at the ROH, I made a practice of walking between about 4 and 9

miles a

> day until my return to California 2 weeks after discharge.

>

> The only difficulty I had was when I went to the Cadbury's

chocolate factory,

> there is a little train ride and I couldn't sit down in the train

(It's kid

> sized) so I had to stand up and hold on tight. Otherwise the

walking was lots

> of fun, especially when there's so much to see. I'm an avid

photographer and

> came back from Birmingham with some great shots, including one of

the scar on

> my butt which I persuaded a nurse to take. The folks back at the

office loved

> it.

>

> So walk on, and on, and on and on.

>

> Des Tuck

>

>

>

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Just thought I'd mention that (if I ever go into surgery--this is a

drawn out process at best, for me) I'll do so as a well honed couch

potato<G>.

One reason I want a resurfacing is I'd like to kick it up a notch...

danz

cosmicmama wrote:

> Hey Des,

>

> Great story.

>

> As we know, each person is different and a lot of folks could not

> have gone that distance. For some a 3 minute walk is exhausting and

> that's where listening to our bodies comes in. It's important for

> each of us to go at our own pace and not compare out.

>

> So, for anyone who has read Des's message and is wondering how he did

> it. Just know that he came into the surgery a well honed athelete.

> He had the muscle and mind to support his post-op activities.

>

> 2/19/03 BHR DeSmet

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Just thought I'd mention that (if I ever go into surgery--this is a

drawn out process at best, for me) I'll do so as a well honed couch

potato<G>.

One reason I want a resurfacing is I'd like to kick it up a notch...

danz

cosmicmama wrote:

> Hey Des,

>

> Great story.

>

> As we know, each person is different and a lot of folks could not

> have gone that distance. For some a 3 minute walk is exhausting and

> that's where listening to our bodies comes in. It's important for

> each of us to go at our own pace and not compare out.

>

> So, for anyone who has read Des's message and is wondering how he did

> it. Just know that he came into the surgery a well honed athelete.

> He had the muscle and mind to support his post-op activities.

>

> 2/19/03 BHR DeSmet

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Just thought I'd mention that (if I ever go into surgery--this is a

drawn out process at best, for me) I'll do so as a well honed couch

potato<G>.

One reason I want a resurfacing is I'd like to kick it up a notch...

danz

cosmicmama wrote:

> Hey Des,

>

> Great story.

>

> As we know, each person is different and a lot of folks could not

> have gone that distance. For some a 3 minute walk is exhausting and

> that's where listening to our bodies comes in. It's important for

> each of us to go at our own pace and not compare out.

>

> So, for anyone who has read Des's message and is wondering how he did

> it. Just know that he came into the surgery a well honed athelete.

> He had the muscle and mind to support his post-op activities.

>

> 2/19/03 BHR DeSmet

<snip>

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des,

what a wonderful walking story.

it's stories like yours and linda's which make this resurfacing such a

god-send.

great example to us all, tho' i don't know if i'd ever be so brave. just

looking forward to spending lots of time in the pool in ghent doing water

walking, and then the steam room, and then the water again, and then, maybe,

a boring old corridor, and then out for dinner with bob in beautiful (i

hear) ghent.

cheers,

steph

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des,

what a wonderful walking story.

it's stories like yours and linda's which make this resurfacing such a

god-send.

great example to us all, tho' i don't know if i'd ever be so brave. just

looking forward to spending lots of time in the pool in ghent doing water

walking, and then the steam room, and then the water again, and then, maybe,

a boring old corridor, and then out for dinner with bob in beautiful (i

hear) ghent.

cheers,

steph

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