frustrated

[Guest guest]

I'm feeling so frustrated I don't know if I have the knack to make soap.

First of all my first batch of soap was just some basic soap with some

fragrance added. My second batch I had to throw out because it was smelling

real bad. The third I was taking out of the molds this morning after setting

for three days are real gooey and slimy and did not hold the color. What am

I doing wrong. Someone please help and tell me that this is normal at the

beginning.

Dianne

[Guest guest]

I'm feeling so frustrated I don't know if I have the knack to make soap.

First of all my first batch of soap was just some basic soap with some

fragrance added. My second batch I had to throw out because it was smelling

real bad. The third I was taking out of the molds this morning after setting

for three days are real gooey and slimy and did not hold the color. What am

I doing wrong. Someone please help and tell me that this is normal at the

beginning.

Dianne

[Guest guest]

Diane,

What kind of water are you using? ARe you weighing everything? If you

would post your complete recipes, including processing temps, someone one

will helpyou out.

Sherry in Aberdeen

Re: frustrated

>I'm feeling so frustrated I don't know if I have the knack to make soap.

>First of all my first batch of soap was just some basic soap with some

>fragrance added. My second batch I had to throw out because it was

smelling

>real bad. The third I was taking out of the molds this morning after

setting

>for three days are real gooey and slimy and did not hold the color. What

am

>I doing wrong. Someone please help and tell me that this is normal at the

>beginning.

> Dianne

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Larrae

Are you asking me or another Dianne. Just wondering don't want to

ignore you if it me your asking.

Dianne

[Guest guest]

Larrae

Are you asking me or another Dianne. Just wondering don't want to

ignore you if it me your asking.

Dianne

[Guest guest]

Larrae

Are you asking me or another Dianne. Just wondering don't want to

ignore you if it me your asking.

Dianne

[Guest guest]

> Larrae

> Are you asking me or another Dianne. Just wondering don't

want

to

> ignore you if it me your asking.

> Dianne

yes sweets it is you....how's the soap coming along? have you

discovered a tried and true recipe that serves you well yet?

hope all is well,

larrae

[Guest guest]

> Larrae

> Are you asking me or another Dianne. Just wondering don't

want

to

> ignore you if it me your asking.

> Dianne

yes sweets it is you....how's the soap coming along? have you

discovered a tried and true recipe that serves you well yet?

hope all is well,

larrae

[Guest guest]

I would add that

RAI is absorbed, in smaller amounts, by other organs besides the thyroid,

including breast tissue, the genitals, pancreas, and the gastric mucosa. RAI

causes either cell death or DNA mutations to any cells unfortunate enough to

be at its path length.

RAI has a short half-life, meaning half of the dose is diminished in about 8

days. Then half of this dose is diminished in another 8 days. I contaminated

the entire nuclear chemistry department of the lab I worked in after being

ablated, and I continued to have measureable amounts of radioiodine in my

urine for 4 weeks. To say that the dose is quickly depleted is simply not

true. In the meantime we're exposing our families, friends and coworkers to

radioiodine.

Long term studies show a small but significant increase in certain cancers,

including those of the thyroid gland and small bowel, after RAI. Although the

follicular cells of our thyroid are destroyed, we continue to have a basement

membrane of other cells that can become cancerous.

There is a small but significant increase in damage to the parathyroid glands

after radioiodine. A number of people experience hypoparathyroidism.

After RAI, increases in antibody titers affect lab tests, making

hypothyroidism extremely difficult to treat. Patients who had RAI have an

increased risk for developing fibromyalgia, which is also related to

hypothyroidism. I suspect that many of us are kept hypothyroid because of a

poor understanding of lab test interpretation.

These are off the top of my head, Terry, so I'm sure I can come up with more.

[Guest guest]

I would add that

RAI is absorbed, in smaller amounts, by other organs besides the thyroid,

including breast tissue, the genitals, pancreas, and the gastric mucosa. RAI

causes either cell death or DNA mutations to any cells unfortunate enough to

be at its path length.

RAI has a short half-life, meaning half of the dose is diminished in about 8

days. Then half of this dose is diminished in another 8 days. I contaminated

the entire nuclear chemistry department of the lab I worked in after being

ablated, and I continued to have measureable amounts of radioiodine in my

urine for 4 weeks. To say that the dose is quickly depleted is simply not

true. In the meantime we're exposing our families, friends and coworkers to

radioiodine.

Long term studies show a small but significant increase in certain cancers,

including those of the thyroid gland and small bowel, after RAI. Although the

follicular cells of our thyroid are destroyed, we continue to have a basement

membrane of other cells that can become cancerous.

There is a small but significant increase in damage to the parathyroid glands

after radioiodine. A number of people experience hypoparathyroidism.

After RAI, increases in antibody titers affect lab tests, making

hypothyroidism extremely difficult to treat. Patients who had RAI have an

increased risk for developing fibromyalgia, which is also related to

hypothyroidism. I suspect that many of us are kept hypothyroid because of a

poor understanding of lab test interpretation.

These are off the top of my head, Terry, so I'm sure I can come up with more.

[Guest guest]

I would add that

RAI is absorbed, in smaller amounts, by other organs besides the thyroid,

including breast tissue, the genitals, pancreas, and the gastric mucosa. RAI

causes either cell death or DNA mutations to any cells unfortunate enough to

be at its path length.

RAI has a short half-life, meaning half of the dose is diminished in about 8

days. Then half of this dose is diminished in another 8 days. I contaminated

the entire nuclear chemistry department of the lab I worked in after being

ablated, and I continued to have measureable amounts of radioiodine in my

urine for 4 weeks. To say that the dose is quickly depleted is simply not

true. In the meantime we're exposing our families, friends and coworkers to

radioiodine.

Long term studies show a small but significant increase in certain cancers,

including those of the thyroid gland and small bowel, after RAI. Although the

follicular cells of our thyroid are destroyed, we continue to have a basement

membrane of other cells that can become cancerous.

There is a small but significant increase in damage to the parathyroid glands

after radioiodine. A number of people experience hypoparathyroidism.

After RAI, increases in antibody titers affect lab tests, making

hypothyroidism extremely difficult to treat. Patients who had RAI have an

increased risk for developing fibromyalgia, which is also related to

hypothyroidism. I suspect that many of us are kept hypothyroid because of a

poor understanding of lab test interpretation.

These are off the top of my head, Terry, so I'm sure I can come up with more.

[Guest guest]

Great idea, Terry!

I'd add something pragmatic to the top ten (maybe we need eleven or twelve):

why opt for a permanent, non-reversible procedure before trying temporary

measures, like medication, that will either result in remission or buy you

time to research all your options and make a well-informed decision.

That one really sold me while I was trying to decide!

B

Frustrated

Hi everyone,

I can't believe I'm still not able to access my email from here, but I

can't. Yahoo is taking its sweet time in fixing me up again I guess, despite

my fixing everything just the way they request that I do it. Anyway, I hope

that one of these emails will finally come through back to me, but if not I

can for now visit the archives.

I have thought about starting a little project, prompted by my doctor's yet

again pressing for RAI, and so many others whose doc's have done the same.

I'd like to title it " Top Ten Reasons Why I'll Never Have RAI " , and really

put together a succinct, compelling list that anybody who wants to, can

print out and bring to the doctors appointment. It needs to be a quick read,

cause the doctors won't look at anything much else I don't think. (don't

laugh, or maybe do, here).

I figure input from the members who HAVE had RAI is the quickest and most

effective way to get to the meat of the problems, but then, there may be

reasons we who have opted not to do it can add, as well. Maybe it will be a

top 20 list! I came up with 10 reasons myself, pretty quickly. I'm going to

put them down, but only as motivators to get the rest of you working on the

problem. If, of course, you think it's a good idea.

Here they are, but please, contribute better ones than mine!

1 I know what hypo feels like, and it¹s awful, even for a few days. I can¹t

imagine being condemned to experience it for longer

2 RAI is " killing the messenger " but not attacking the root cause of the

disease

3 After RAI the thyroid spends a good amount of time dying, releasing toxic

amounts of hormone during the process

4 There is no perfect replacement hormone available

5 Chance of TED increases dramatically

6 Nothing on earth will ever convince me that radiation at that level won¹t

eventually cause cancer

7 Don¹t know anyone who has had RAI that hasn¹t gained a lot of weight

8 Hyper is controllable over the long term with medicine and there¹s a

chance of remission

9 RAI is a permanent and irrevocable decision

10 Just about everyone I¹ve corresponded with that has had RAI regrets it

Terry

[Guest guest]

Great idea, Terry!

I'd add something pragmatic to the top ten (maybe we need eleven or twelve):

why opt for a permanent, non-reversible procedure before trying temporary

measures, like medication, that will either result in remission or buy you

time to research all your options and make a well-informed decision.

That one really sold me while I was trying to decide!

B

Frustrated

Hi everyone,

I can't believe I'm still not able to access my email from here, but I

can't. Yahoo is taking its sweet time in fixing me up again I guess, despite

my fixing everything just the way they request that I do it. Anyway, I hope

that one of these emails will finally come through back to me, but if not I

can for now visit the archives.

I have thought about starting a little project, prompted by my doctor's yet

again pressing for RAI, and so many others whose doc's have done the same.

I'd like to title it " Top Ten Reasons Why I'll Never Have RAI " , and really

put together a succinct, compelling list that anybody who wants to, can

print out and bring to the doctors appointment. It needs to be a quick read,

cause the doctors won't look at anything much else I don't think. (don't

laugh, or maybe do, here).

I figure input from the members who HAVE had RAI is the quickest and most

effective way to get to the meat of the problems, but then, there may be

reasons we who have opted not to do it can add, as well. Maybe it will be a

top 20 list! I came up with 10 reasons myself, pretty quickly. I'm going to

put them down, but only as motivators to get the rest of you working on the

problem. If, of course, you think it's a good idea.

Here they are, but please, contribute better ones than mine!

1 I know what hypo feels like, and it¹s awful, even for a few days. I can¹t

imagine being condemned to experience it for longer

2 RAI is " killing the messenger " but not attacking the root cause of the

disease

3 After RAI the thyroid spends a good amount of time dying, releasing toxic

amounts of hormone during the process

4 There is no perfect replacement hormone available

5 Chance of TED increases dramatically

6 Nothing on earth will ever convince me that radiation at that level won¹t

eventually cause cancer

7 Don¹t know anyone who has had RAI that hasn¹t gained a lot of weight

8 Hyper is controllable over the long term with medicine and there¹s a

chance of remission

9 RAI is a permanent and irrevocable decision

10 Just about everyone I¹ve corresponded with that has had RAI regrets it

Terry

[Guest guest]

Elaine,

The top of your head is worth 100 of mine, since you have so much personal

experience combined with education and expertise. I'm waiting for Jody's

input, which I am sure will come too, and everyone else to get a crack at

this-- then I want to try to put it all in some kind of version the doctors

can understand (short sentences, single concepts) if I am capable of that.

I seem to be back getting my email from group, finally, too. Yay!

Terry

> From: daisyelaine@...

> Reply-To: graves_support

> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 23:49:54 EST

> To: graves_support

> Subject: Re: Frustrated

>

> I would add that

> RAI is absorbed, in smaller amounts, by other organs besides the thyroid,

> including breast tissue, the genitals, pancreas, and the gastric mucosa. RAI

> causes either cell death or DNA mutations to any cells unfortunate enough to

> be at its path length.

>

> RAI has a short half-life, meaning half of the dose is diminished in about 8

> days. Then half of this dose is diminished in another 8 days. I contaminated

> the entire nuclear chemistry department of the lab I worked in after being

> ablated, and I continued to have measureable amounts of radioiodine in my

> urine for 4 weeks. To say that the dose is quickly depleted is simply not

> true. In the meantime we're exposing our families, friends and coworkers to

> radioiodine.

>

> Long term studies show a small but significant increase in certain cancers,

> including those of the thyroid gland and small bowel, after RAI. Although the

> follicular cells of our thyroid are destroyed, we continue to have a basement

> membrane of other cells that can become cancerous.

>

> There is a small but significant increase in damage to the parathyroid glands

> after radioiodine. A number of people experience hypoparathyroidism.

>

> After RAI, increases in antibody titers affect lab tests, making

> hypothyroidism extremely difficult to treat. Patients who had RAI have an

> increased risk for developing fibromyalgia, which is also related to

> hypothyroidism. I suspect that many of us are kept hypothyroid because of a

> poor understanding of lab test interpretation.

>

> These are off the top of my head, Terry, so I'm sure I can come up with more.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Elaine,

The top of your head is worth 100 of mine, since you have so much personal

experience combined with education and expertise. I'm waiting for Jody's

input, which I am sure will come too, and everyone else to get a crack at

this-- then I want to try to put it all in some kind of version the doctors

can understand (short sentences, single concepts) if I am capable of that.

I seem to be back getting my email from group, finally, too. Yay!

Terry

> From: daisyelaine@...

> Reply-To: graves_support

> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 23:49:54 EST

> To: graves_support

> Subject: Re: Frustrated

>

> I would add that

> RAI is absorbed, in smaller amounts, by other organs besides the thyroid,

> including breast tissue, the genitals, pancreas, and the gastric mucosa. RAI

> causes either cell death or DNA mutations to any cells unfortunate enough to

> be at its path length.

>

> RAI has a short half-life, meaning half of the dose is diminished in about 8

> days. Then half of this dose is diminished in another 8 days. I contaminated

> the entire nuclear chemistry department of the lab I worked in after being

> ablated, and I continued to have measureable amounts of radioiodine in my

> urine for 4 weeks. To say that the dose is quickly depleted is simply not

> true. In the meantime we're exposing our families, friends and coworkers to

> radioiodine.

>

> Long term studies show a small but significant increase in certain cancers,

> including those of the thyroid gland and small bowel, after RAI. Although the

> follicular cells of our thyroid are destroyed, we continue to have a basement

> membrane of other cells that can become cancerous.

>

> There is a small but significant increase in damage to the parathyroid glands

> after radioiodine. A number of people experience hypoparathyroidism.

>

> After RAI, increases in antibody titers affect lab tests, making

> hypothyroidism extremely difficult to treat. Patients who had RAI have an

> increased risk for developing fibromyalgia, which is also related to

> hypothyroidism. I suspect that many of us are kept hypothyroid because of a

> poor understanding of lab test interpretation.

>

> These are off the top of my head, Terry, so I'm sure I can come up with more.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Elaine,

The top of your head is worth 100 of mine, since you have so much personal

experience combined with education and expertise. I'm waiting for Jody's

input, which I am sure will come too, and everyone else to get a crack at

this-- then I want to try to put it all in some kind of version the doctors

can understand (short sentences, single concepts) if I am capable of that.

I seem to be back getting my email from group, finally, too. Yay!

Terry

> From: daisyelaine@...

> Reply-To: graves_support

> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 23:49:54 EST

> To: graves_support

> Subject: Re: Frustrated

>

> I would add that

> RAI is absorbed, in smaller amounts, by other organs besides the thyroid,

> including breast tissue, the genitals, pancreas, and the gastric mucosa. RAI

> causes either cell death or DNA mutations to any cells unfortunate enough to

> be at its path length.

>

> RAI has a short half-life, meaning half of the dose is diminished in about 8

> days. Then half of this dose is diminished in another 8 days. I contaminated

> the entire nuclear chemistry department of the lab I worked in after being

> ablated, and I continued to have measureable amounts of radioiodine in my

> urine for 4 weeks. To say that the dose is quickly depleted is simply not

> true. In the meantime we're exposing our families, friends and coworkers to

> radioiodine.

>

> Long term studies show a small but significant increase in certain cancers,

> including those of the thyroid gland and small bowel, after RAI. Although the

> follicular cells of our thyroid are destroyed, we continue to have a basement

> membrane of other cells that can become cancerous.

>

> There is a small but significant increase in damage to the parathyroid glands

> after radioiodine. A number of people experience hypoparathyroidism.

>

> After RAI, increases in antibody titers affect lab tests, making

> hypothyroidism extremely difficult to treat. Patients who had RAI have an

> increased risk for developing fibromyalgia, which is also related to

> hypothyroidism. I suspect that many of us are kept hypothyroid because of a

> poor understanding of lab test interpretation.

>

> These are off the top of my head, Terry, so I'm sure I can come up with more.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I'll add this too.

Thanks,

Terry

>

> Reply-To: graves_support

> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 22:20:23 -0600

> To: <graves_support >

> Subject: Re: Frustrated

>

> Great idea, Terry!

>

> I'd add something pragmatic to the top ten (maybe we need eleven or twelve):

> why opt for a permanent, non-reversible procedure before trying temporary

> measures, like medication, that will either result in remission or buy you

> time to research all your options and make a well-informed decision.

>

> That one really sold me while I was trying to decide!

>

> B

>

>

> Frustrated

>

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> I can't believe I'm still not able to access my email from here, but I

> can't. Yahoo is taking its sweet time in fixing me up again I guess, despite

> my fixing everything just the way they request that I do it. Anyway, I hope

> that one of these emails will finally come through back to me, but if not I

> can for now visit the archives.

>

> I have thought about starting a little project, prompted by my doctor's yet

> again pressing for RAI, and so many others whose doc's have done the same.

>

> I'd like to title it " Top Ten Reasons Why I'll Never Have RAI " , and really

> put together a succinct, compelling list that anybody who wants to, can

> print out and bring to the doctors appointment. It needs to be a quick read,

> cause the doctors won't look at anything much else I don't think. (don't

> laugh, or maybe do, here).

>

> I figure input from the members who HAVE had RAI is the quickest and most

> effective way to get to the meat of the problems, but then, there may be

> reasons we who have opted not to do it can add, as well. Maybe it will be a

> top 20 list! I came up with 10 reasons myself, pretty quickly. I'm going to

> put them down, but only as motivators to get the rest of you working on the

> problem. If, of course, you think it's a good idea.

>

> Here they are, but please, contribute better ones than mine!

>

> 1 I know what hypo feels like, and it¹s awful, even for a few days. I can¹t

> imagine being condemned to experience it for longer

> 2 RAI is " killing the messenger " but not attacking the root cause of the

> disease

> 3 After RAI the thyroid spends a good amount of time dying, releasing toxic

> amounts of hormone during the process

> 4 There is no perfect replacement hormone available

> 5 Chance of TED increases dramatically

> 6 Nothing on earth will ever convince me that radiation at that level won¹t

> eventually cause cancer

> 7 Don¹t know anyone who has had RAI that hasn¹t gained a lot of weight

> 8 Hyper is controllable over the long term with medicine and there¹s a

> chance of remission

> 9 RAI is a permanent and irrevocable decision

> 10 Just about everyone I¹ve corresponded with that has had RAI regrets it

>

> Terry

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I'll add this too.

Thanks,

Terry

>

> Reply-To: graves_support

> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 22:20:23 -0600

> To: <graves_support >

> Subject: Re: Frustrated

>

> Great idea, Terry!

>

> I'd add something pragmatic to the top ten (maybe we need eleven or twelve):

> why opt for a permanent, non-reversible procedure before trying temporary

> measures, like medication, that will either result in remission or buy you

> time to research all your options and make a well-informed decision.

>

> That one really sold me while I was trying to decide!

>

> B

>

>

> Frustrated

>

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> I can't believe I'm still not able to access my email from here, but I

> can't. Yahoo is taking its sweet time in fixing me up again I guess, despite

> my fixing everything just the way they request that I do it. Anyway, I hope

> that one of these emails will finally come through back to me, but if not I

> can for now visit the archives.

>

> I have thought about starting a little project, prompted by my doctor's yet

> again pressing for RAI, and so many others whose doc's have done the same.

>

> I'd like to title it " Top Ten Reasons Why I'll Never Have RAI " , and really

> put together a succinct, compelling list that anybody who wants to, can

> print out and bring to the doctors appointment. It needs to be a quick read,

> cause the doctors won't look at anything much else I don't think. (don't

> laugh, or maybe do, here).

>

> I figure input from the members who HAVE had RAI is the quickest and most

> effective way to get to the meat of the problems, but then, there may be

> reasons we who have opted not to do it can add, as well. Maybe it will be a

> top 20 list! I came up with 10 reasons myself, pretty quickly. I'm going to

> put them down, but only as motivators to get the rest of you working on the

> problem. If, of course, you think it's a good idea.

>

> Here they are, but please, contribute better ones than mine!

>

> 1 I know what hypo feels like, and it¹s awful, even for a few days. I can¹t

> imagine being condemned to experience it for longer

> 2 RAI is " killing the messenger " but not attacking the root cause of the

> disease

> 3 After RAI the thyroid spends a good amount of time dying, releasing toxic

> amounts of hormone during the process

> 4 There is no perfect replacement hormone available

> 5 Chance of TED increases dramatically

> 6 Nothing on earth will ever convince me that radiation at that level won¹t

> eventually cause cancer

> 7 Don¹t know anyone who has had RAI that hasn¹t gained a lot of weight

> 8 Hyper is controllable over the long term with medicine and there¹s a

> chance of remission

> 9 RAI is a permanent and irrevocable decision

> 10 Just about everyone I¹ve corresponded with that has had RAI regrets it

>

> Terry

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I'll add this too.

Thanks,

Terry

>

> Reply-To: graves_support

> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 22:20:23 -0600

> To: <graves_support >

> Subject: Re: Frustrated

>

> Great idea, Terry!

>

> I'd add something pragmatic to the top ten (maybe we need eleven or twelve):

> why opt for a permanent, non-reversible procedure before trying temporary

> measures, like medication, that will either result in remission or buy you

> time to research all your options and make a well-informed decision.

>

> That one really sold me while I was trying to decide!

>

> B

>

>

> Frustrated

>

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> I can't believe I'm still not able to access my email from here, but I

> can't. Yahoo is taking its sweet time in fixing me up again I guess, despite

> my fixing everything just the way they request that I do it. Anyway, I hope

> that one of these emails will finally come through back to me, but if not I

> can for now visit the archives.

>

> I have thought about starting a little project, prompted by my doctor's yet

> again pressing for RAI, and so many others whose doc's have done the same.

>

> I'd like to title it " Top Ten Reasons Why I'll Never Have RAI " , and really

> put together a succinct, compelling list that anybody who wants to, can

> print out and bring to the doctors appointment. It needs to be a quick read,

> cause the doctors won't look at anything much else I don't think. (don't

> laugh, or maybe do, here).

>

> I figure input from the members who HAVE had RAI is the quickest and most

> effective way to get to the meat of the problems, but then, there may be

> reasons we who have opted not to do it can add, as well. Maybe it will be a

> top 20 list! I came up with 10 reasons myself, pretty quickly. I'm going to

> put them down, but only as motivators to get the rest of you working on the

> problem. If, of course, you think it's a good idea.

>

> Here they are, but please, contribute better ones than mine!

>

> 1 I know what hypo feels like, and it¹s awful, even for a few days. I can¹t

> imagine being condemned to experience it for longer

> 2 RAI is " killing the messenger " but not attacking the root cause of the

> disease

> 3 After RAI the thyroid spends a good amount of time dying, releasing toxic

> amounts of hormone during the process

> 4 There is no perfect replacement hormone available

> 5 Chance of TED increases dramatically

> 6 Nothing on earth will ever convince me that radiation at that level won¹t

> eventually cause cancer

> 7 Don¹t know anyone who has had RAI that hasn¹t gained a lot of weight

> 8 Hyper is controllable over the long term with medicine and there¹s a

> chance of remission

> 9 RAI is a permanent and irrevocable decision

> 10 Just about everyone I¹ve corresponded with that has had RAI regrets it

>

> Terry

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wonderful idea Terry,

I recently saw else where , a post saying that our thyroids are DISEASED, and

since this

is TRUE, ATDs are only putting off the inevitable. Thank goodness I know

otherwise, as

this word is still echoing in my mind.

So now my special thank you again to , who used the word HEALTHY thyroid,

and got

through to me one time in recent history.

My point concerns the wording of #2...perhaps using the word HEALTHY thyroid

in

describing the messenger, might help someone.

-Pam- still having trouble turning off 'that' replaying tape in my mind

[Guest guest]

Wonderful idea Terry,

I recently saw else where , a post saying that our thyroids are DISEASED, and

since this

is TRUE, ATDs are only putting off the inevitable. Thank goodness I know

otherwise, as

this word is still echoing in my mind.

So now my special thank you again to , who used the word HEALTHY thyroid,

and got

through to me one time in recent history.

My point concerns the wording of #2...perhaps using the word HEALTHY thyroid

in

describing the messenger, might help someone.

-Pam- still having trouble turning off 'that' replaying tape in my mind

[Guest guest]

Wonderful idea Terry,

I recently saw else where , a post saying that our thyroids are DISEASED, and

since this

is TRUE, ATDs are only putting off the inevitable. Thank goodness I know

otherwise, as

this word is still echoing in my mind.

So now my special thank you again to , who used the word HEALTHY thyroid,

and got

through to me one time in recent history.

My point concerns the wording of #2...perhaps using the word HEALTHY thyroid

in

describing the messenger, might help someone.

-Pam- still having trouble turning off 'that' replaying tape in my mind

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Hi Terry,

What wonderful ideas you have! The symptoms list has been invaluable for

the new people, I now keep it on my desk top to send them directly.

I think this idea is just as wonderful. I am thinking on what I would like

to see on it too. I know one of them would be

It is a MYTH that hypO is easier to treat.

And the one about graves is an immune system disease NOT a thyroid disease

is also a must. As for any others, most will probably be the same as you

have listed and what Elaine has done.

I do have one suggestion though. If this is going to be used with doctors,

it is going to become another effort by us to train doctors into a different

mode of treating. I agree, to catch their eyes, the list must be short and

to the point...but...I think each point needs to be explained as shortly as

possible, so *maybe* having a second or second and third page attachment to

it with explanations they can't argue with would be a good idea. Even if

they don't read those in front of patients, hopefully they will take the

time and read it when we are out of sight. I think for many, reading our

reasons would be like the 'curiosity killed the cat, satisfaction brought it

back' kind of thing.

The danger with one liners only is that they can then argue every point made

on them with 2/3 sentences to refute everything we come up with. With

longer explanations (2/3 sentences of our own) on a separate page would stop

them in their tracks.

But this is just my take on it. I know that, even though my doctor does not

do RAI on anyone anymore, I would take it in to her to share with her

colleagues anyhow

I'd be happy to work on this with you, as if you really need my help but

if you do, let me know.

Thank you so much for this idea, it is truly excellent! And Elaine... maybe

another graves book on some of the things we have in the archives, like this

list, the extended symptoms list, Do's and Don'ts for graves, for the eye

disease...some simple ideas? Maybe that is really reaching on my part, but

I do love your books

TTYL

Jody

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,

Hi, is there any way I could get a copy of that article that was in JAMA?

Thanks,

Doris

[Guest guest]

,

Hi, is there any way I could get a copy of that article that was in JAMA?

Thanks,

Doris