Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 >That's it - I never had much variation in my temperatures. >They are the same now as they were BEFORE I took HC! >So I don't have that guidance to help me! it doesn't need much variation to indicate a problem, you may have MORE now than you had before with Val's expeerience of twitchy feedback loops over compensating. Start recording them, any time there is anything other than a gentle drift up and down through the day you have a problem. > >You're more for a T3-only treatment, huh... Yep, but with HC and ferritiin in place Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 >That's it - I never had much variation in my temperatures. >They are the same now as they were BEFORE I took HC! >So I don't have that guidance to help me! it doesn't need much variation to indicate a problem, you may have MORE now than you had before with Val's expeerience of twitchy feedback loops over compensating. Start recording them, any time there is anything other than a gentle drift up and down through the day you have a problem. > >You're more for a T3-only treatment, huh... Yep, but with HC and ferritiin in place Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Myt ACTH was at 1.7. Reference <10,2 pmol And you don't think this is low? Then oyu need to wean SLOWLY off HC and prove to yourself you need it,. Or not,. I cannot help you. Your symptoms scream low coritosl and I have seen MANY people crash and burn using labs while on HC os this wil be my last reply ot oyul You do not wnt to listen. You want your adrenals to be fine but I do nto think thye are. You can convince yourself they are so try going off the HC. bnut when you next are in a high adrnealine panic do nto send " er SCRE " POSTS TO THE GROUPS. The thing ot do fo rhti si take enough HC ot stop the adrnealine. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Myt ACTH was at 1.7. Reference <10,2 pmol And you don't think this is low? Then oyu need to wean SLOWLY off HC and prove to yourself you need it,. Or not,. I cannot help you. Your symptoms scream low coritosl and I have seen MANY people crash and burn using labs while on HC os this wil be my last reply ot oyul You do not wnt to listen. You want your adrenals to be fine but I do nto think thye are. You can convince yourself they are so try going off the HC. bnut when you next are in a high adrnealine panic do nto send " er SCRE " POSTS TO THE GROUPS. The thing ot do fo rhti si take enough HC ot stop the adrnealine. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Myt ACTH was at 1.7. Reference <10,2 pmol And you don't think this is low? Then oyu need to wean SLOWLY off HC and prove to yourself you need it,. Or not,. I cannot help you. Your symptoms scream low coritosl and I have seen MANY people crash and burn using labs while on HC os this wil be my last reply ot oyul You do not wnt to listen. You want your adrenals to be fine but I do nto think thye are. You can convince yourself they are so try going off the HC. bnut when you next are in a high adrnealine panic do nto send " er SCRE " POSTS TO THE GROUPS. The thing ot do fo rhti si take enough HC ot stop the adrnealine. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 I have not seen your ACTH ranges before but believe me in the AM you need ot be near the top of thta range. Yes your weakness is a sure sign of needing more cortisol. MANY of us get th ebloiated belly when starting HC and I think it is just the whoel imbalance thing and not a true symtpoms of high cortiosl. I had a horrid PG belly which on even a too low dose of HC and then actually lost it when I went UP. When I first went from 20mg (stayed onthat for 10 months!) to 30mg I lost 70 pounds! Then when I went to 40mg 3 years later my adrneals healed. All the while I battled fluid reteniton and thoght it was due to high coritols when in fact it was due to low potassium. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 bingo on the low potassium! to add to gibcast..i also got very sick and weak with just cutting isocort by half for several days. Subject: Re: Re: Urgent rT3-question!!! (low body temps!) Latest rT3 in!To: RT3_T3 Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 9:49 AM I have not seen your ACTH ranges before but believe me in the AM you need ot be near the top of thta range. Yes your weakness is a sure sign of needing more cortisol. MANY of us get th ebloiated belly when starting HC and I think it is just the whoel imbalance thing and not a true symtpoms of high cortiosl. I had a horrid PG belly which on even a too low dose of HC and then actually lost it when I went UP. When I first went from 20mg (stayed onthat for 10 months!) to 30mg I lost 70 pounds! Then when I went to 40mg 3 years later my adrneals healed. All the while I battled fluid reteniton and thoght it was due to high coritols when in fact it was due to low potassium.-- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 I prefer to see Potassium at 4.2 but that is US ranges and may be difernt from yours. Our range are 3.7-5.0 I do nto liek ot see it at 5. High potassium is VERY dangerous so if oyu supplement it you MUST test it until you get to the dose thtat is workign for oyu.Npo highelectrolytes are nOT good, they much be middle of their ranges. Believe me oyu wil knwo if thye are out of balance! Muscle spasms from tool ittle either sodium or potasium are horrid. Muscle weakness fom lwo potassium is very apinful as well. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 What I notice most is oyur SODIUM is fluctuating to much. Thsi si a symptoms of low aldosterone. Another sure sign of very weak adrneals. You need ot supplement Unrefined sea salt through out the day.I use to make up a 2 liter bottle wiht abotu 1.5-2 teaspoons of sea salt in it and sip it all day long. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 What I notice most is oyur SODIUM is fluctuating to much. Thsi si a symptoms of low aldosterone. Another sure sign of very weak adrneals. You need ot supplement Unrefined sea salt through out the day.I use to make up a 2 liter bottle wiht abotu 1.5-2 teaspoons of sea salt in it and sip it all day long. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 " Then how come everybody keep telling people they need to drink water with sea salt? Too much salt can make Sodium go above the top easily! I've seen my Sodium at the top as well as bottom. It changes all the time. Ah, so Potassium must be rather lower than higher. " Because adrneals run oon sodium and just about everyone wiht weak adrenals need more GOOD salt. I have taken 1-3 teaspoons of sal ta day for over 10 years now EVERY day and never had high sodium. Thsi si duer ot sodium loss that we all experience when adrenals are weak. Now that my adrenals are better I take maybe 1/2 teaspoon along wiht salting my foods btu when my adrneals were very weak I needed loads of it. NO potassium shioudl not be low. 4.2 I consider near perfect and ther is little short of perfect that is allowable wiht electrolytes. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 You r baby stepping it up will cause oyu alot more symotomsthen just going to a good dose all at once. The reason you reacted after a 10mg dose is thta you have no reserfves, so as soon as oyur bpody greedily gobbled it uop you had nothing left. Many people have to mov doses closer together at first to cover this problem. It isMORE oyu need no t less., If oy uwer nto low in cortils oyu would fele nothign from HC. The symptoms are proof oyu nee mroe. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 You r baby stepping it up will cause oyu alot more symotomsthen just going to a good dose all at once. The reason you reacted after a 10mg dose is thta you have no reserfves, so as soon as oyur bpody greedily gobbled it uop you had nothing left. Many people have to mov doses closer together at first to cover this problem. It isMORE oyu need no t less., If oy uwer nto low in cortils oyu would fele nothign from HC. The symptoms are proof oyu nee mroe. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 You r baby stepping it up will cause oyu alot more symotomsthen just going to a good dose all at once. The reason you reacted after a 10mg dose is thta you have no reserfves, so as soon as oyur bpody greedily gobbled it uop you had nothing left. Many people have to mov doses closer together at first to cover this problem. It isMORE oyu need no t less., If oy uwer nto low in cortils oyu would fele nothign from HC. The symptoms are proof oyu nee mroe. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 I would go to 30mg that is abotu a minimum I recommend ot people omn the adrenals group. DOsing every three hours may also help symptpms to be averted say 10 7.5 5 5 2.5 First dose at wake and last dose at bedtime. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 I would go to 30mg that is abotu a minimum I recommend ot people omn the adrenals group. DOsing every three hours may also help symptpms to be averted say 10 7.5 5 5 2.5 First dose at wake and last dose at bedtime. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 I would go to 30mg that is abotu a minimum I recommend ot people omn the adrenals group. DOsing every three hours may also help symptpms to be averted say 10 7.5 5 5 2.5 First dose at wake and last dose at bedtime. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 If you force your body into a routine it willsoon learn to folow. And it si MUCH better to alkways take HC the same times. And YES you CAN go to sleep and wake the same times eveyr day,I do. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 If you force your body into a routine it willsoon learn to folow. And it si MUCH better to alkways take HC the same times. And YES you CAN go to sleep and wake the same times eveyr day,I do. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 If you force your body into a routine it willsoon learn to folow. And it si MUCH better to alkways take HC the same times. And YES you CAN go to sleep and wake the same times eveyr day,I do. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 Yes that is ONLY a low cortisll symptoms and taking a 5mg stress dose would be a good idea. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 Yes that is ONLY a low cortisll symptoms and taking a 5mg stress dose would be a good idea. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 Yes that is ONLY a low cortisll symptoms and taking a 5mg stress dose would be a good idea. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 >(Nobody can fall asleep at the same time and get up at the same time every day! It's impossible!) - Did you see my post a week or so ago about using light and HC to impose a rhythm on your body?? Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 >(just in case I forgot my 7.5 mg yesterday I have a simple way of making sure I have remembered my T3 each day, it would work with HC as well. I count out the number of tablets I am going to take that day and put them into an empty bottle. I then carry that bottle round all day and take only from that, then the number that are left in it will tell me how many I have taken and if I have missed a dose. Each morning when I take my first dose I count out the rest for the day. Just for security in case I go out without it there are a few spares in my laptop bag, car, and desk at work! Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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