Guest guest Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Not likely it is changing but the things oyu do every day cahnge. any little stres can cause these symptoms when oyu have no cortisol to spare. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Wel you need to get UNHYPO but to do that oyu need ot get enough cortiosl first,. Did oyu eat maybe? thta may have been form low cortiosl hypoglycemia too. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Wel you need to get UNHYPO but to do that oyu need ot get enough cortiosl first,. Did oyu eat maybe? thta may have been form low cortiosl hypoglycemia too. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Wel you need to get UNHYPO but to do that oyu need ot get enough cortiosl first,. Did oyu eat maybe? thta may have been form low cortiosl hypoglycemia too. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 >Can anyone give me an example of a T3-only plan? And how to switch from ERFA Thyroid/T4 like I'm taking now? From where you are stop all T4 and Erfa completely Day 1 to 3 take 12.5 of T3 in 2 doses morning and evening (6.25 each) Day 4 for the next week take 25 of T4 in 4 doses a day (of 6.25 each) From there dose as per this http://thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htm Checking out pulse and temperature each time you MIGHT need to increase. Take it steady and not too slow or quick, listen to your body You will be increasing T3 as your T4 levels decay so there will be weeks of increases. Good luck Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 If oyu have hypoglycemia fruit is the WORST thing next to candy and coffee you cna eat. You need ot eat low carb wiht high fats and proteins. They will help stabilize blood sugar where carbs and especiall ysugars (which fruits are full of) will continue spikes and dips. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 If oyu have hypoglycemia fruit is the WORST thing next to candy and coffee you cna eat. You need ot eat low carb wiht high fats and proteins. They will help stabilize blood sugar where carbs and especiall ysugars (which fruits are full of) will continue spikes and dips. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 >But my Ferritin is too low. in the 40s..... I can't take T3-only now! You also won't get the benefit of the Erfa, (or the T4). Until you get that ferritin up you are not going to be able to tolerate enough of anything to do really well. What iron are you taking and how much a day?? Nick -- for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to www.thyroid-rt3.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 >But my Ferritin is too low. in the 40s..... I can't take T3-only now! You also won't get the benefit of the Erfa, (or the T4). Until you get that ferritin up you are not going to be able to tolerate enough of anything to do really well. What iron are you taking and how much a day?? Nick -- for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to www.thyroid-rt3.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 >Right now I take 2 x 25 mg of that Iron every midnight before going to bed. At least 4 hours after I take my last ERFA dose. Nothing like enough. From a previous posting of Val's " Generally ti takes 150-200mg a day of elemental iron in what ever form you can tolerate the best. I do ntothink the form is so important as the amount. It is a very high dose it takes to bring ferritin up. " > >PS! I woke up now, it's noon, and my face feels puffier than ever! It's horrible! I'm constantly brainstorming myself... " Is it too much HC doing this to me? Is it the rT3 increasing, blocking the T3, creating fluid retention? Am I dirnking too much OR too little salt? " - It sucks... Cause it's impossible to tell! I would still get rid of the 50mcg of T4 you keep taking. I have suggested this several times. It just gives the RT3 more food to build from and makes yout T3/T4 ratio worse. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 >By the way, in Norway, we only have normal T3, not slow-release, (which is not good anyway, right?) BUT the main thing is that one pill is 20 mcg. They come in that strength only. You can work in 10mcg increments where the web suggests 12.5 > >I can split it easily in two, and get 10 mcg pieces. But splitting it in 4, down to 5 mcg pieces, is VERY hard. The pieces often become uneven. So I don't know how to do this? If you use a knife or a razor blade you may be able to split one of those halves into 2. If it is uneven it does not matter, just take the 2 parts one after the other and it will average out. It does not matter if you take 3mcg and 3 hours later take 7, it's near enough Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 It doesn't matter if the doses are uneven. It will be such a miniscule differnce as to not matter at all. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 >Ok. Thanks for these words of advice. You're still on T3-only, Nick? T3 only, after clearance I dropped to 125 a day for a couple of months and have moved up to 150 a day now in the winter. > >I have a crappy pill-splitter, but it's so bad, it's like a joke. Out of 5 ERFA Thyroid tablets, I would get 1 tablet split in two, and the rest would end up as dust and small pieces, and get thrown away. I can't swallow Thyroid powder! > LOL, a sharp knife may work better. You can also bite a tablet in half, swallow half and put the other to one side for later >As for changing 50 mcg T4 and 1 grain Thyroid daily, 10 mkg T3 seems little, but I understand that's how it goes in the beginning. Cause all that T4 isn't used like T3 is when I take it. I know that much. It's supposed to be converted. BUT IS IT..... In my case..... I don't know! Probably not like it should. Hence rT3. It will be several days before the T4 has sunk to a low enough level to make any difference. as long as you replace the T3 that was in the med you stop taking your body won't notice > >I will at least take my Thyroid today. 1 grain, and probably skip those 50 mcgs of synthetic T4. > Good plan >I will also do a Ferritin test today, even if I haven't stopped taking Iron for 3-5 days before the test. Good plan, if it's low while still supplementing then it's even lower than the reading. You get less disturbance since you are not taking a big supplement, Nick Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 20 mg is not enough adn it is unlikely oyu will ever tolerate T3 with that low dose. Most men need 35-45mg a day. All you are doing is lwoering your own cortisol and not replaceing as much as you are lwoering ti. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 20 mg is not enough adn it is unlikely oyu will ever tolerate T3 with that low dose. Most men need 35-45mg a day. All you are doing is lwoering your own cortisol and not replaceing as much as you are lwoering ti. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 20 mg is not enough adn it is unlikely oyu will ever tolerate T3 with that low dose. Most men need 35-45mg a day. All you are doing is lwoering your own cortisol and not replaceing as much as you are lwoering ti. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 >AND I still feel something in my lungs - Like a hand is gripping around >my heart. BUT I especially feel it when I breathe, so it can be the >left lung. Like something is IN there. Slime or, whatever. Hope it's >not a blood clot building up. I wonder what this is, and I would like to >find out! Do you think it can be related to Ferritin and the 9 mcgs of >T3 I am getting my 1 grain ERFA Thyroid daily? I doubt it is related other than your whole metabolism being slow and you being worried. > >My specialist said I could either raise to 1 1/2 grain daily today, OR >take just T3, 10 mcgs split in 2 doses (5+5) with 4 hours in between >them. > Sounds sensible as long as T3 only raised again in a few days >That would be one dose at 9 am and one dose at 1 pm, IF I would take >T3-only. I still took my ERFA Thyroid today. That would be a suitable starting point > >But I wonder... If I am starting at 10 mcg T3. And the last dose is at >1 pm. How can I get thru the rest of the day with no T3 in my system? >What about the evening, at 6 pm and so on? You will be OK, there will still be residual conversion from the T4, that will take weeks to fade away In a few days you will need to increase T3 again as per the schedule on the web site. For the first few days, and any time you are planning an increase you need to record pulse and temperatures You need that information to decide if an increase is needed or safe. Temperature will also tell you if you are on enough HC, you may well need an increase. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 >AND I still feel something in my lungs - Like a hand is gripping around >my heart. BUT I especially feel it when I breathe, so it can be the >left lung. Like something is IN there. Slime or, whatever. Hope it's >not a blood clot building up. I wonder what this is, and I would like to >find out! Do you think it can be related to Ferritin and the 9 mcgs of >T3 I am getting my 1 grain ERFA Thyroid daily? I doubt it is related other than your whole metabolism being slow and you being worried. > >My specialist said I could either raise to 1 1/2 grain daily today, OR >take just T3, 10 mcgs split in 2 doses (5+5) with 4 hours in between >them. > Sounds sensible as long as T3 only raised again in a few days >That would be one dose at 9 am and one dose at 1 pm, IF I would take >T3-only. I still took my ERFA Thyroid today. That would be a suitable starting point > >But I wonder... If I am starting at 10 mcg T3. And the last dose is at >1 pm. How can I get thru the rest of the day with no T3 in my system? >What about the evening, at 6 pm and so on? You will be OK, there will still be residual conversion from the T4, that will take weeks to fade away In a few days you will need to increase T3 again as per the schedule on the web site. For the first few days, and any time you are planning an increase you need to record pulse and temperatures You need that information to decide if an increase is needed or safe. Temperature will also tell you if you are on enough HC, you may well need an increase. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 >AND I still feel something in my lungs - Like a hand is gripping around >my heart. BUT I especially feel it when I breathe, so it can be the >left lung. Like something is IN there. Slime or, whatever. Hope it's >not a blood clot building up. I wonder what this is, and I would like to >find out! Do you think it can be related to Ferritin and the 9 mcgs of >T3 I am getting my 1 grain ERFA Thyroid daily? I doubt it is related other than your whole metabolism being slow and you being worried. > >My specialist said I could either raise to 1 1/2 grain daily today, OR >take just T3, 10 mcgs split in 2 doses (5+5) with 4 hours in between >them. > Sounds sensible as long as T3 only raised again in a few days >That would be one dose at 9 am and one dose at 1 pm, IF I would take >T3-only. I still took my ERFA Thyroid today. That would be a suitable starting point > >But I wonder... If I am starting at 10 mcg T3. And the last dose is at >1 pm. How can I get thru the rest of the day with no T3 in my system? >What about the evening, at 6 pm and so on? You will be OK, there will still be residual conversion from the T4, that will take weeks to fade away In a few days you will need to increase T3 again as per the schedule on the web site. For the first few days, and any time you are planning an increase you need to record pulse and temperatures You need that information to decide if an increase is needed or safe. Temperature will also tell you if you are on enough HC, you may well need an increase. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 >Well, I could raise ERFA with 1/2 grain today, bring it up to a total of 1 1/2 grains. I will feel the T3 immediately, of course. So I will know if I tolerate another 4.5 mcg T3 with that raise or not.< No you wil not knwo if oyu tolerate more T3 from raising ERFA. You would be also adding 38mcg T4 with that increase which with high RT3 can cause HORRID symptoms which oyu thn would blame the T3 for when in fact it owuld be the T4 causing the symptms as it is increaing the RT3. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 >Well, I could raise ERFA with 1/2 grain today, bring it up to a total of 1 1/2 grains. I will feel the T3 immediately, of course. So I will know if I tolerate another 4.5 mcg T3 with that raise or not.< No you wil not knwo if oyu tolerate more T3 from raising ERFA. You would be also adding 38mcg T4 with that increase which with high RT3 can cause HORRID symptoms which oyu thn would blame the T3 for when in fact it owuld be the T4 causing the symptms as it is increaing the RT3. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Because of the pituitary feedback loop. People that have adrenal fatigue have over sensitive fedback loops. A LITTLE cortios added to your day will shut DOWN ACTH. Get a serum ACTH if oyu dont';t believe me. I have seen enough of them from people on too low a dose of HC to know what it does. Yoiur ACTH will be 7-8 at most. This means oyur adrneals are nto gettign any message to MAKE any cortils so thta 20mg is all you have for the whoel day to live on and that is not enough for anyone. People wiht adrenal fatigue also are known to have cortils resistance. Which means that the same HC dose for an 's patient is unlikely to work for us. This is why I need ed ot go to 40mg a dya to heal my adrenals and the 3 years I sepnt on lower doses was a total waste of time and health. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Because of the pituitary feedback loop. People that have adrenal fatigue have over sensitive fedback loops. A LITTLE cortios added to your day will shut DOWN ACTH. Get a serum ACTH if oyu dont';t believe me. I have seen enough of them from people on too low a dose of HC to know what it does. Yoiur ACTH will be 7-8 at most. This means oyur adrneals are nto gettign any message to MAKE any cortils so thta 20mg is all you have for the whoel day to live on and that is not enough for anyone. People wiht adrenal fatigue also are known to have cortils resistance. Which means that the same HC dose for an 's patient is unlikely to work for us. This is why I need ed ot go to 40mg a dya to heal my adrenals and the 3 years I sepnt on lower doses was a total waste of time and health. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Because of the pituitary feedback loop. People that have adrenal fatigue have over sensitive fedback loops. A LITTLE cortios added to your day will shut DOWN ACTH. Get a serum ACTH if oyu dont';t believe me. I have seen enough of them from people on too low a dose of HC to know what it does. Yoiur ACTH will be 7-8 at most. This means oyur adrneals are nto gettign any message to MAKE any cortils so thta 20mg is all you have for the whoel day to live on and that is not enough for anyone. People wiht adrenal fatigue also are known to have cortils resistance. Which means that the same HC dose for an 's patient is unlikely to work for us. This is why I need ed ot go to 40mg a dya to heal my adrenals and the 3 years I sepnt on lower doses was a total waste of time and health. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 >That's it - I never had much variation in my temperatures. >They are the same now as they were BEFORE I took HC! >So I don't have that guidance to help me! it doesn't need much variation to indicate a problem, you may have MORE now than you had before with Val's expeerience of twitchy feedback loops over compensating. Start recording them, any time there is anything other than a gentle drift up and down through the day you have a problem. > >You're more for a T3-only treatment, huh... Yep, but with HC and ferritiin in place Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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