Guest guest Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 Your FT3/RT3 ratio is 14.8 so too low in spite of having quite good FT3 levels. This is why you don't; feel right. And until you get rid of the RT3 or knock it WAY down with T3 ONLY you are unlikely to feel good. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 Your FT3/RT3 ratio is 14.8 so too low in spite of having quite good FT3 levels. This is why you don't; feel right. And until you get rid of the RT3 or knock it WAY down with T3 ONLY you are unlikely to feel good. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 Your FT3/RT3 ratio is 14.8 so too low in spite of having quite good FT3 levels. This is why you don't; feel right. And until you get rid of the RT3 or knock it WAY down with T3 ONLY you are unlikely to feel good. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 > > >What do you think, folks? I am not sure how I feel on 1 grain ERFA Thyroid, yet. Something is happening with me, I can feel it, but I am not sure what. Maybe I should just wait and see, and do another rT3 test in a week or so? OK, the units are " pmol " rather than grams which potentially makes the atomic weight relevant. Ignoring that on the basis that RT3 and FT3 " probably " have the same atomic weight that gives a ratio of 14.8. This is not good but not terrible. 20 or greater is the ideal From there it depends where things go when you take enough Erfa to clear hypo symptoms. If increasing the dose takes your FT3 to the top of the range " without increasing RT3 " then the ratio would be 19.5 and be near as needed to the ideal of 20 or greater. There is little point in retesting in a week, it takes T4 levels a month to stabilise after setting dose at a constant level and you are going to need to ramp up slowly to 3 grains at least of Erfa to feel well. Realistically it will be 3 months of dose adjustment and stabilisation before you are stable enough on Erfa to see where the RT3 is going to go. To summarise, Erfa might get you feeling well, it will take at least 3 months to find out. T3 will get you feeling well, you need to be prepared to adjust dose by symptoms though, it happens too quickly to do it by labs. Those are my thoughts, hopefully others can come in here as well with their views. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 > > >What do you think, folks? I am not sure how I feel on 1 grain ERFA Thyroid, yet. Something is happening with me, I can feel it, but I am not sure what. Maybe I should just wait and see, and do another rT3 test in a week or so? OK, the units are " pmol " rather than grams which potentially makes the atomic weight relevant. Ignoring that on the basis that RT3 and FT3 " probably " have the same atomic weight that gives a ratio of 14.8. This is not good but not terrible. 20 or greater is the ideal From there it depends where things go when you take enough Erfa to clear hypo symptoms. If increasing the dose takes your FT3 to the top of the range " without increasing RT3 " then the ratio would be 19.5 and be near as needed to the ideal of 20 or greater. There is little point in retesting in a week, it takes T4 levels a month to stabilise after setting dose at a constant level and you are going to need to ramp up slowly to 3 grains at least of Erfa to feel well. Realistically it will be 3 months of dose adjustment and stabilisation before you are stable enough on Erfa to see where the RT3 is going to go. To summarise, Erfa might get you feeling well, it will take at least 3 months to find out. T3 will get you feeling well, you need to be prepared to adjust dose by symptoms though, it happens too quickly to do it by labs. Those are my thoughts, hopefully others can come in here as well with their views. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 > > >What do you think, folks? I am not sure how I feel on 1 grain ERFA Thyroid, yet. Something is happening with me, I can feel it, but I am not sure what. Maybe I should just wait and see, and do another rT3 test in a week or so? OK, the units are " pmol " rather than grams which potentially makes the atomic weight relevant. Ignoring that on the basis that RT3 and FT3 " probably " have the same atomic weight that gives a ratio of 14.8. This is not good but not terrible. 20 or greater is the ideal From there it depends where things go when you take enough Erfa to clear hypo symptoms. If increasing the dose takes your FT3 to the top of the range " without increasing RT3 " then the ratio would be 19.5 and be near as needed to the ideal of 20 or greater. There is little point in retesting in a week, it takes T4 levels a month to stabilise after setting dose at a constant level and you are going to need to ramp up slowly to 3 grains at least of Erfa to feel well. Realistically it will be 3 months of dose adjustment and stabilisation before you are stable enough on Erfa to see where the RT3 is going to go. To summarise, Erfa might get you feeling well, it will take at least 3 months to find out. T3 will get you feeling well, you need to be prepared to adjust dose by symptoms though, it happens too quickly to do it by labs. Those are my thoughts, hopefully others can come in here as well with their views. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 , your headache that goes into your cheek and teeth sounds like how I feel when I get a sinus infection. Hope whatever it is, that it goes away soon. TC! As for dosing by symptoms:How do I know if I need to dose up my Thyroid, lessen my T4, OR switch to T3-only? I can't possibly know what's causing my symptoms, so I can't do anything with my meds!Right now I have the worst headache, like my brain is rottening/feels infected. The pain goes down thrum my cheeks and into my teeth.I am taking 2 x 1/2 grain ERFA Thyroid and 50 mcg T4 daily, as well as 20 mg HC daily. + Vitamin and mineral supplements.I did get too little sleep this night. Fell asleep at 4.30 am and woke up at 11am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 You are right , they could be anything...hope you are feeling better soon. I can't function when I have a headache like that. Feel better! Thanks TC! Well I Have had recurring sinus infectins in the past. But I suspect these pains to come from the endocrine system. I would rather have a sinus infection. (I've had 100+ of those...)It really feels like my brain is rottening! It's horrible! And it really Can be anything: Sinuses, teeth (wisdom teeth x 2 not pulled out yet), too little/too much HC, too little T3, etc. etc. etc. etc.>> , your headache that goes into your cheek and teeth sounds like how I feel when I get a sinus infection. Hope whatever it is, that it goes away soon. TC!> > > As for dosing by symptoms:> > How do I know if I need to dose up my Thyroid, lessen my T4, OR switch to T3-only? I can't possibly know what's causing my symptoms, so I can't do anything with my meds!> > Right now I have the worst headache, like my brain is rottening/feels infected. The pain goes down thrum my cheeks and into my teeth.> > I am taking 2 x 1/2 grain ERFA Thyroid and 50 mcg T4 daily, as well as 20 mg HC daily. + Vitamin and mineral supplements.> > I did get too little sleep this night. Fell asleep at 4.30 am and woke up at 11am.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 >I am taking 2 x 1/2 grain ERFA Thyroid and 50 mcg T4 daily, as well as 20 mg HC daily. + Vitamin and mineral supplements. Get tid of that T4 even if you have to add an extra half (or full) grain. The more T4 there is compared with the T3 you are taking the worse your RT3 is going to get. Could your headache be teeth? Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 >If rT3 increases and the ratio gets lower, will T3 be blocked (invisibly) from entering the cells or will I see that FT3 gets lower in a blood sample? The FT3 can remain high, it's in the serum, and not get into the cells if RT3 is causing receptor blockage. What tends to get higher is the FT4, if that goes above mid range then it tends to convert to RT3 instead of T3. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 >If rT3 increases and the ratio gets lower, will T3 be blocked (invisibly) from entering the cells or will I see that FT3 gets lower in a blood sample? The FT3 can remain high, it's in the serum, and not get into the cells if RT3 is causing receptor blockage. What tends to get higher is the FT4, if that goes above mid range then it tends to convert to RT3 instead of T3. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 >So, if I keep increasing my ERFA Thyroid, and I won't get better... >Then boom, I need to change to T3-only. Right now I just feel amazingly bad. I can't even describe it. Yep, enought Erfa might work, enough T3 WILLwork providing there is enough ferritin and cortisol Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 >So, if I keep increasing my ERFA Thyroid, and I won't get better... >Then boom, I need to change to T3-only. Right now I just feel amazingly bad. I can't even describe it. Yep, enought Erfa might work, enough T3 WILLwork providing there is enough ferritin and cortisol Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 >What if I'm getting a feedback-loop already? It was only 4 days since I started taking 1 full grain of ERFA Thyroid. Right now, I definitely feel HYPO. More than I've felt for 12+ years since before I took any meds at all. > Could be, because you've been on a mix and fluctuating dose for years who knows what your bodies's feedback loop is doing. You could drop that last 50 of synthetic T4 and add another half grain now, there won't be a lot of fluctuation going on as the body doesn't have to wait for T4 to stabilise, if anything it will be dropping which is probably good and an extra 5 of T3 can provide some immediate symptom relief Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 >What if I'm getting a feedback-loop already? It was only 4 days since I started taking 1 full grain of ERFA Thyroid. Right now, I definitely feel HYPO. More than I've felt for 12+ years since before I took any meds at all. > Could be, because you've been on a mix and fluctuating dose for years who knows what your bodies's feedback loop is doing. You could drop that last 50 of synthetic T4 and add another half grain now, there won't be a lot of fluctuation going on as the body doesn't have to wait for T4 to stabilise, if anything it will be dropping which is probably good and an extra 5 of T3 can provide some immediate symptom relief Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 >What if I'm getting a feedback-loop already? It was only 4 days since I started taking 1 full grain of ERFA Thyroid. Right now, I definitely feel HYPO. More than I've felt for 12+ years since before I took any meds at all. > Could be, because you've been on a mix and fluctuating dose for years who knows what your bodies's feedback loop is doing. You could drop that last 50 of synthetic T4 and add another half grain now, there won't be a lot of fluctuation going on as the body doesn't have to wait for T4 to stabilise, if anything it will be dropping which is probably good and an extra 5 of T3 can provide some immediate symptom relief Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 >However, a few months into 2008, my new and ignorant doc at that time, removed my T3-med and upped my T4-med to 150 mcg daily (up from 100 mg daily in the past years) - THIS can have given me rT3 issues. I remember my FT4 going as high as 22.5 in the beginning when T3 was removed and T4 was increased to compensate for the removal of T3. > >Does this make any sense? Yep > >It is, however, a scary thought that FT3 can look ok while NOT going into the cells. Same as with Adrenal Fatigue, then. The nature of " tissue resistance " , the T3 is there, it can't get into the cells. By all the normal measures you are fine, it's only looking deeper that it can be seen if you are looking for it Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 >However, a few months into 2008, my new and ignorant doc at that time, removed my T3-med and upped my T4-med to 150 mcg daily (up from 100 mg daily in the past years) - THIS can have given me rT3 issues. I remember my FT4 going as high as 22.5 in the beginning when T3 was removed and T4 was increased to compensate for the removal of T3. > >Does this make any sense? Yep > >It is, however, a scary thought that FT3 can look ok while NOT going into the cells. Same as with Adrenal Fatigue, then. The nature of " tissue resistance " , the T3 is there, it can't get into the cells. By all the normal measures you are fine, it's only looking deeper that it can be seen if you are looking for it Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 I have heard it can be clear and still be a sinus infection. I know that is how I am. I can have the slamming sinus headache, jaw and teeth hurting and either blow nothing or it can be clear. I take the antibiotics for a day or two and start feeling better. So I am not sure color is always the way to judge a sinus infection. Terri-lynne Tavares Yes, I agree, the headache sounds like a sinus infection which is very common with hypo's. I get them a lot. When you blow your nose, is the discharge any color other than clear? Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 This is a low cortiosl sympotm. Iwoudl lower your T3 a BIT not stop it, and raise HC to at least 25mg a day. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 This is a low cortiosl sympotm. Iwoudl lower your T3 a BIT not stop it, and raise HC to at least 25mg a day. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Then lower your ERFA,. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Then lower your ERFA,. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Then lower your ERFA,. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Not likely it is changing but the things oyu do every day cahnge. any little stres can cause these symptoms when oyu have no cortisol to spare. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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