Guest guest Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 I am 31. Since I was 13-14 (this is when I got Hypothyroidism, but I wasn't treated until I was 18) I've had a bad, bad rhythm going to bed. It was mostly like 5-6 in the morning. And in the past 6-7 years it's been even worse with flipping the sleeping hours around all the time. Like I've been getting up at 11 pm, going to bed at 3 pm. And so on. Ever other day I would change it to bed at 11 pm and get up at 3 pm. Horrible stuff. But it was my lifestyle for years. I never founds my way to a normal life with all that Hypo-stuff behind me, and to be honest, I never felt 100% healthy on synthetic thyroid meds. Anyway... My waking-up schedule (around noon or even 1 pm at the time I did the 24 hour saliva sample) should explain why the results are skewed! :-) So, no more confusion about that? You should just move the whole result thing one step to the left! I take 20 mg HC daily. Since June. These days, my dose is 7.5 mg when I wake up at noon, next dose at 4 pm (always 4 hr in between doses) 7.5 mg, then the final dose " before bedtime " at 8 pm, 5.0 mg. I STILL haven't fixed my schedule after all these years, so I go to bed at anything from 1 am (rarely) to 5 am. Actually, lately, I've fallen asleep later and later. So these days it's 5 am. AND I HATE IT. I want to fall asleep at midnight! I do feel much more " normal " when I wake up these days while on HC. Before HC.... It was HELL - Waking up felt like I didn't sleep at all even if I did 8-9 hours.. But these days, I have much more problem falling asleep! Could I dose my HC differently to get up earlier and fall asleep earlier? I will give you more results tomorrow. Extreme headache now. Thanks! > > >Thanks, Nick. I'll get there one day! Be sure about that! > > > >Three days ago, I woke up feeling ice cold with a basal oral temp at 96.6 (35.9 C) - I had all the Hypo symtoms that morning, and that's why I wrote in this group that day, with the Subject-line above. > > Interesting, I am wondering about night time cortisol levels. The are > a lot lower than daytime but if they were dipping too low they may > mean you can't utilise the T3 at night and basal temperature is going > to low. > > Remind me, you are on HC at the moment? How are you dosing it?? > > > >I am taking blood samples for rT3++ tomorrow. > >What if my rT3 hasn't changed, or even become better? > >My ratio (STTM) is 15.5 based on my 9/11/2009 bloodwork. > >Is that ratio low enough to go on with T3-only (T3/HC protocol) > >treatment? > > > 15.5 says treatment. 18-20 is the treatment threshold. > > I saw an interview with Kent Holtorf, one of the leaders in the field, > where he drew a distinction between ratios upset by very low FT3 and > those with high RT3. > > If I'm following the thread right these are your cortisol results > > http://www.nightrangerweb.net/cortisol.pdf > > and they are completely in the basement on waking at 1.4 whereas we > look for top of range there at 22! That's going to be having a massive > effect on your morning temperature and you " getting going " in the > morning. > > I've flagged this post for Val to look at your adrenal levels as she > is much more experienced in that, in the mean time can you tell us how > you are dosing the HC. > > My working theory is that you are not picking up with cortisol > production early enough in the morning to bring your basal up and it's > possible a cortisol dosing change may help that. > > Can you also post your last thyroid labs and whatever you were on at > the time and lets see what we can make of them. > > Nick > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 I am 31. Since I was 13-14 (this is when I got Hypothyroidism, but I wasn't treated until I was 18) I've had a bad, bad rhythm going to bed. It was mostly like 5-6 in the morning. And in the past 6-7 years it's been even worse with flipping the sleeping hours around all the time. Like I've been getting up at 11 pm, going to bed at 3 pm. And so on. Ever other day I would change it to bed at 11 pm and get up at 3 pm. Horrible stuff. But it was my lifestyle for years. I never founds my way to a normal life with all that Hypo-stuff behind me, and to be honest, I never felt 100% healthy on synthetic thyroid meds. Anyway... My waking-up schedule (around noon or even 1 pm at the time I did the 24 hour saliva sample) should explain why the results are skewed! :-) So, no more confusion about that? You should just move the whole result thing one step to the left! I take 20 mg HC daily. Since June. These days, my dose is 7.5 mg when I wake up at noon, next dose at 4 pm (always 4 hr in between doses) 7.5 mg, then the final dose " before bedtime " at 8 pm, 5.0 mg. I STILL haven't fixed my schedule after all these years, so I go to bed at anything from 1 am (rarely) to 5 am. Actually, lately, I've fallen asleep later and later. So these days it's 5 am. AND I HATE IT. I want to fall asleep at midnight! I do feel much more " normal " when I wake up these days while on HC. Before HC.... It was HELL - Waking up felt like I didn't sleep at all even if I did 8-9 hours.. But these days, I have much more problem falling asleep! Could I dose my HC differently to get up earlier and fall asleep earlier? I will give you more results tomorrow. Extreme headache now. Thanks! > > >Thanks, Nick. I'll get there one day! Be sure about that! > > > >Three days ago, I woke up feeling ice cold with a basal oral temp at 96.6 (35.9 C) - I had all the Hypo symtoms that morning, and that's why I wrote in this group that day, with the Subject-line above. > > Interesting, I am wondering about night time cortisol levels. The are > a lot lower than daytime but if they were dipping too low they may > mean you can't utilise the T3 at night and basal temperature is going > to low. > > Remind me, you are on HC at the moment? How are you dosing it?? > > > >I am taking blood samples for rT3++ tomorrow. > >What if my rT3 hasn't changed, or even become better? > >My ratio (STTM) is 15.5 based on my 9/11/2009 bloodwork. > >Is that ratio low enough to go on with T3-only (T3/HC protocol) > >treatment? > > > 15.5 says treatment. 18-20 is the treatment threshold. > > I saw an interview with Kent Holtorf, one of the leaders in the field, > where he drew a distinction between ratios upset by very low FT3 and > those with high RT3. > > If I'm following the thread right these are your cortisol results > > http://www.nightrangerweb.net/cortisol.pdf > > and they are completely in the basement on waking at 1.4 whereas we > look for top of range there at 22! That's going to be having a massive > effect on your morning temperature and you " getting going " in the > morning. > > I've flagged this post for Val to look at your adrenal levels as she > is much more experienced in that, in the mean time can you tell us how > you are dosing the HC. > > My working theory is that you are not picking up with cortisol > production early enough in the morning to bring your basal up and it's > possible a cortisol dosing change may help that. > > Can you also post your last thyroid labs and whatever you were on at > the time and lets see what we can make of them. > > Nick > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 I am 31. Since I was 13-14 (this is when I got Hypothyroidism, but I wasn't treated until I was 18) I've had a bad, bad rhythm going to bed. It was mostly like 5-6 in the morning. And in the past 6-7 years it's been even worse with flipping the sleeping hours around all the time. Like I've been getting up at 11 pm, going to bed at 3 pm. And so on. Ever other day I would change it to bed at 11 pm and get up at 3 pm. Horrible stuff. But it was my lifestyle for years. I never founds my way to a normal life with all that Hypo-stuff behind me, and to be honest, I never felt 100% healthy on synthetic thyroid meds. Anyway... My waking-up schedule (around noon or even 1 pm at the time I did the 24 hour saliva sample) should explain why the results are skewed! :-) So, no more confusion about that? You should just move the whole result thing one step to the left! I take 20 mg HC daily. Since June. These days, my dose is 7.5 mg when I wake up at noon, next dose at 4 pm (always 4 hr in between doses) 7.5 mg, then the final dose " before bedtime " at 8 pm, 5.0 mg. I STILL haven't fixed my schedule after all these years, so I go to bed at anything from 1 am (rarely) to 5 am. Actually, lately, I've fallen asleep later and later. So these days it's 5 am. AND I HATE IT. I want to fall asleep at midnight! I do feel much more " normal " when I wake up these days while on HC. Before HC.... It was HELL - Waking up felt like I didn't sleep at all even if I did 8-9 hours.. But these days, I have much more problem falling asleep! Could I dose my HC differently to get up earlier and fall asleep earlier? I will give you more results tomorrow. Extreme headache now. Thanks! > > >Thanks, Nick. I'll get there one day! Be sure about that! > > > >Three days ago, I woke up feeling ice cold with a basal oral temp at 96.6 (35.9 C) - I had all the Hypo symtoms that morning, and that's why I wrote in this group that day, with the Subject-line above. > > Interesting, I am wondering about night time cortisol levels. The are > a lot lower than daytime but if they were dipping too low they may > mean you can't utilise the T3 at night and basal temperature is going > to low. > > Remind me, you are on HC at the moment? How are you dosing it?? > > > >I am taking blood samples for rT3++ tomorrow. > >What if my rT3 hasn't changed, or even become better? > >My ratio (STTM) is 15.5 based on my 9/11/2009 bloodwork. > >Is that ratio low enough to go on with T3-only (T3/HC protocol) > >treatment? > > > 15.5 says treatment. 18-20 is the treatment threshold. > > I saw an interview with Kent Holtorf, one of the leaders in the field, > where he drew a distinction between ratios upset by very low FT3 and > those with high RT3. > > If I'm following the thread right these are your cortisol results > > http://www.nightrangerweb.net/cortisol.pdf > > and they are completely in the basement on waking at 1.4 whereas we > look for top of range there at 22! That's going to be having a massive > effect on your morning temperature and you " getting going " in the > morning. > > I've flagged this post for Val to look at your adrenal levels as she > is much more experienced in that, in the mean time can you tell us how > you are dosing the HC. > > My working theory is that you are not picking up with cortisol > production early enough in the morning to bring your basal up and it's > possible a cortisol dosing change may help that. > > Can you also post your last thyroid labs and whatever you were on at > the time and lets see what we can make of them. > > Nick > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 The best way to changbe sleep patterns is ot VERY gradulaly change them. Go to bed 15 minutes earlier and set an alarm to get up 15 minutes earlier, whne you r body has adjusted to this, change another 15 monutes. It can take a long time but it cn be done and you will feel better for it. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 The best way to changbe sleep patterns is ot VERY gradulaly change them. Go to bed 15 minutes earlier and set an alarm to get up 15 minutes earlier, whne you r body has adjusted to this, change another 15 monutes. It can take a long time but it cn be done and you will feel better for it. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 See, the problem is... It doesn't matter if I go to bed 15 minutes earlier or later.. There is no rule when I fall asleep.. It can be at 2 pm, at 3 pm, at 4 pm etc. I haven't tried melatonin yet. Maybe I should? I am generally not very fond of medication, or any kind of pills for that matter. But if it's safe, I'll give it a go. Last night, I went to bed at 1:45.. Got up at 2:45.. Wanted to eat.. Back in bed at 3:45.. Fell asleep at around 4.. Or 4:15.. Woke up at 11:30.. This is when my alarm rang.. It's a bit painful to inhale fully now. Hope it's not fluid retention. T. > > The best way to changbe sleep patterns is ot VERY gradulaly change them. > Go to bed 15 minutes earlier and set an alarm to get up 15 minutes > earlier, whne you r body has adjusted to this, change another 15 > monutes. It can take a long time but it cn be done and you will feel > better for it. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 See, the problem is... It doesn't matter if I go to bed 15 minutes earlier or later.. There is no rule when I fall asleep.. It can be at 2 pm, at 3 pm, at 4 pm etc. I haven't tried melatonin yet. Maybe I should? I am generally not very fond of medication, or any kind of pills for that matter. But if it's safe, I'll give it a go. Last night, I went to bed at 1:45.. Got up at 2:45.. Wanted to eat.. Back in bed at 3:45.. Fell asleep at around 4.. Or 4:15.. Woke up at 11:30.. This is when my alarm rang.. It's a bit painful to inhale fully now. Hope it's not fluid retention. T. > > The best way to changbe sleep patterns is ot VERY gradulaly change them. > Go to bed 15 minutes earlier and set an alarm to get up 15 minutes > earlier, whne you r body has adjusted to this, change another 15 > monutes. It can take a long time but it cn be done and you will feel > better for it. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 I am constantly brainstorming myself; What IF the 24 hour saliva sample was wrong somehow? What if I did something wrong during the sample-collection? What if I don't need HC? What if I am taking too much HC? My face has clearly grown after upping the dose to 20 mg daily 9 days ago - This was the same day as I started taking dessicated. But I see from this sample that my total was too low. As well as every value measured. PS! I woke up at the first sample time, took it, and went to bed again. > > >I do feel much more " normal " when I wake up these days while on HC. Before HC.... It was HELL - Waking up felt like I didn't sleep at all even if I did 8-9 hours.. But these days, I have much more problem falling asleep! > > > >Could I dose my HC differently to get up earlier and fall asleep earlier? > > Hopefully Val can come in on this one, his adrenal results from the > link) were > > waking 1.4 (12-22) > +4 10.7 (5-9) > +8 2.2 (3-7) > +12 1 (1-3) > total 15.3 (21-41) > > Nick > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 I am constantly brainstorming myself; What IF the 24 hour saliva sample was wrong somehow? What if I did something wrong during the sample-collection? What if I don't need HC? What if I am taking too much HC? My face has clearly grown after upping the dose to 20 mg daily 9 days ago - This was the same day as I started taking dessicated. But I see from this sample that my total was too low. As well as every value measured. PS! I woke up at the first sample time, took it, and went to bed again. > > >I do feel much more " normal " when I wake up these days while on HC. Before HC.... It was HELL - Waking up felt like I didn't sleep at all even if I did 8-9 hours.. But these days, I have much more problem falling asleep! > > > >Could I dose my HC differently to get up earlier and fall asleep earlier? > > Hopefully Val can come in on this one, his adrenal results from the > link) were > > waking 1.4 (12-22) > +4 10.7 (5-9) > +8 2.2 (3-7) > +12 1 (1-3) > total 15.3 (21-41) > > Nick > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 I am constantly brainstorming myself; What IF the 24 hour saliva sample was wrong somehow? What if I did something wrong during the sample-collection? What if I don't need HC? What if I am taking too much HC? My face has clearly grown after upping the dose to 20 mg daily 9 days ago - This was the same day as I started taking dessicated. But I see from this sample that my total was too low. As well as every value measured. PS! I woke up at the first sample time, took it, and went to bed again. > > >I do feel much more " normal " when I wake up these days while on HC. Before HC.... It was HELL - Waking up felt like I didn't sleep at all even if I did 8-9 hours.. But these days, I have much more problem falling asleep! > > > >Could I dose my HC differently to get up earlier and fall asleep earlier? > > Hopefully Val can come in on this one, his adrenal results from the > link) were > > waking 1.4 (12-22) > +4 10.7 (5-9) > +8 2.2 (3-7) > +12 1 (1-3) > total 15.3 (21-41) > > Nick > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Your symptoms scream that you have a cortils probnlem. Most people wiht sleep issues need ot unwind for an hour before sleep. Dim lights, no computer, realxing or boring TV shwo or reading a book help many people fall asleep. But if your coritls is all over the oklace or high at night non e of that wil help. Getting a better cortils rythm is the best thing oyu acan do for yourself. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Your symptoms scream that you have a cortils probnlem. Most people wiht sleep issues need ot unwind for an hour before sleep. Dim lights, no computer, realxing or boring TV shwo or reading a book help many people fall asleep. But if your coritls is all over the oklace or high at night non e of that wil help. Getting a better cortils rythm is the best thing oyu acan do for yourself. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Your symptoms scream that you have a cortils probnlem. Most people wiht sleep issues need ot unwind for an hour before sleep. Dim lights, no computer, realxing or boring TV shwo or reading a book help many people fall asleep. But if your coritls is all over the oklace or high at night non e of that wil help. Getting a better cortils rythm is the best thing oyu acan do for yourself. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 > >But I see from this sample that my total was too low. As well as every value measured. > >PS! I woke up at the first sample time, took it, and went to bed again. Which is why it's so low, it's a " sleeping " level. As far as I know, Val, please correct me if I am wrong, one of the sleep triggers is cortisol levels. A rise in cortisol triggers waking and a drop triggers sleep. Melatonin, if I understand it right, is a " dark produced hormone " and has the effect of lowering cortisol levels. I have seen suggestions of using cortisol dosing times to help get over jet lag, and it's basically jet lag that you have. It's also worth using some light therapy to try and get your cortisol/melatonin production operating right. Do you sleep with curtains closed or does daylight come into your room??? I think another sleep trigger is blood sugar levels. What and when you eat can help sleep. If you can get sleep/cortisol/T3 synchronised and stable then hopefully you will feel less fatigued. Have you looked for any sleep groups on the Internet? Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 > >But I see from this sample that my total was too low. As well as every value measured. > >PS! I woke up at the first sample time, took it, and went to bed again. Which is why it's so low, it's a " sleeping " level. As far as I know, Val, please correct me if I am wrong, one of the sleep triggers is cortisol levels. A rise in cortisol triggers waking and a drop triggers sleep. Melatonin, if I understand it right, is a " dark produced hormone " and has the effect of lowering cortisol levels. I have seen suggestions of using cortisol dosing times to help get over jet lag, and it's basically jet lag that you have. It's also worth using some light therapy to try and get your cortisol/melatonin production operating right. Do you sleep with curtains closed or does daylight come into your room??? I think another sleep trigger is blood sugar levels. What and when you eat can help sleep. If you can get sleep/cortisol/T3 synchronised and stable then hopefully you will feel less fatigued. Have you looked for any sleep groups on the Internet? Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 > >But I see from this sample that my total was too low. As well as every value measured. > >PS! I woke up at the first sample time, took it, and went to bed again. Which is why it's so low, it's a " sleeping " level. As far as I know, Val, please correct me if I am wrong, one of the sleep triggers is cortisol levels. A rise in cortisol triggers waking and a drop triggers sleep. Melatonin, if I understand it right, is a " dark produced hormone " and has the effect of lowering cortisol levels. I have seen suggestions of using cortisol dosing times to help get over jet lag, and it's basically jet lag that you have. It's also worth using some light therapy to try and get your cortisol/melatonin production operating right. Do you sleep with curtains closed or does daylight come into your room??? I think another sleep trigger is blood sugar levels. What and when you eat can help sleep. If you can get sleep/cortisol/T3 synchronised and stable then hopefully you will feel less fatigued. Have you looked for any sleep groups on the Internet? Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Cortisol works with sleep, I think. Cause many people get problems falling asleep while on HC. So my symptoms for today, like it has been more and more in the past week is pressure-like symptoms in my head, and stinging pain in the head. And waves of " magnetic shocks " through the head. I am seriously suspicious about HC and the raise I did 9 days ago. I was on 20 for some months, got headaches (for unknown reasons), lowered my HC to 17.5 mg, and then abck up to 20 mg 9 days ago, because me and my specialist thought I needed more HC to tolerate the T3 I am taking in ERFA Thyroid. It feels like my brain is swelling or something. Can it be dangerous to be on 20 mg HC? I mean, what if I am the few people who get huge problems while on HC? My face has been swelling quite a lot for these past 9 days since increasing the HC dose by 2.5 mg. Took the rT3-test today. I hope the answer will be ready on Wednesday. > > > > >But I see from this sample that my total was too low. As well as every value measured. > > > >PS! I woke up at the first sample time, took it, and went to bed again. > > Which is why it's so low, it's a " sleeping " level. > > As far as I know, Val, please correct me if I am wrong, one of the > sleep triggers is cortisol levels. > > A rise in cortisol triggers waking and a drop triggers sleep. > Melatonin, if I understand it right, is a " dark produced hormone " and > has the effect of lowering cortisol levels. > > I have seen suggestions of using cortisol dosing times to help get > over jet lag, and it's basically jet lag that you have. > > It's also worth using some light therapy to try and get your > cortisol/melatonin production operating right. Do you sleep with > curtains closed or does daylight come into your room??? > > I think another sleep trigger is blood sugar levels. What and when you > eat can help sleep. > > If you can get sleep/cortisol/T3 synchronised and stable then > hopefully you will feel less fatigued. > > Have you looked for any sleep groups on the Internet? > > Nick > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Cortisol works with sleep, I think. Cause many people get problems falling asleep while on HC. So my symptoms for today, like it has been more and more in the past week is pressure-like symptoms in my head, and stinging pain in the head. And waves of " magnetic shocks " through the head. I am seriously suspicious about HC and the raise I did 9 days ago. I was on 20 for some months, got headaches (for unknown reasons), lowered my HC to 17.5 mg, and then abck up to 20 mg 9 days ago, because me and my specialist thought I needed more HC to tolerate the T3 I am taking in ERFA Thyroid. It feels like my brain is swelling or something. Can it be dangerous to be on 20 mg HC? I mean, what if I am the few people who get huge problems while on HC? My face has been swelling quite a lot for these past 9 days since increasing the HC dose by 2.5 mg. Took the rT3-test today. I hope the answer will be ready on Wednesday. > > > > >But I see from this sample that my total was too low. As well as every value measured. > > > >PS! I woke up at the first sample time, took it, and went to bed again. > > Which is why it's so low, it's a " sleeping " level. > > As far as I know, Val, please correct me if I am wrong, one of the > sleep triggers is cortisol levels. > > A rise in cortisol triggers waking and a drop triggers sleep. > Melatonin, if I understand it right, is a " dark produced hormone " and > has the effect of lowering cortisol levels. > > I have seen suggestions of using cortisol dosing times to help get > over jet lag, and it's basically jet lag that you have. > > It's also worth using some light therapy to try and get your > cortisol/melatonin production operating right. Do you sleep with > curtains closed or does daylight come into your room??? > > I think another sleep trigger is blood sugar levels. What and when you > eat can help sleep. > > If you can get sleep/cortisol/T3 synchronised and stable then > hopefully you will feel less fatigued. > > Have you looked for any sleep groups on the Internet? > > Nick > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Would taking a melatonin supplement help to get you back into a proper sleeping pattern? This helping a person to being their cortisol back into a normal pattern? How would you know if your body was short on melatonin, is it just trial and error or is there a blood test? Would it hurt to just try some to see if it helps? Thanks,Terri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Would taking a melatonin supplement help to get you back into a proper sleeping pattern? This helping a person to being their cortisol back into a normal pattern? How would you know if your body was short on melatonin, is it just trial and error or is there a blood test? Would it hurt to just try some to see if it helps? Thanks,Terri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 Would taking a melatonin supplement help to get you back into a proper sleeping pattern? This helping a person to being their cortisol back into a normal pattern? How would you know if your body was short on melatonin, is it just trial and error or is there a blood test? Would it hurt to just try some to see if it helps? Thanks,Terri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 The pain and pressure I am experiencing in my head now, can that be from too much HC (what if my adrenals are producing more cortisol now, like I don't need any more HC-meds!) or can it be from rT3 increasing? I am not taking more T4 now than I did before I took ERFA Thyroid. 1 mcg less daily. BUT ERFA Thyroid may be more effective in the system, so I might be getting more T4 after all. I hate being in this mess so much. All the pain and suffering, and fear of dying, from all these symptoms. I was never really very much afraid of dying before (2007), but after my Atrial Fibrillation and then this long period of almost 2 years of getting worse and worse, it's impossible to avoid getting scared. I am, somehow, tougher now than I was last year. Probably because it has been such a long time feeling like CRAP every single day. My specialist told me that I can switch to Medrol. Is there a chance it can be better for me than HC? 2-3 days til I get my rT3 result in... > > > > > > > >But I see from this sample that my total was too low. As well as every value measured. > > > > > >PS! I woke up at the first sample time, took it, and went to bed again. > > > > Which is why it's so low, it's a " sleeping " level. > > > > As far as I know, Val, please correct me if I am wrong, one of the > > sleep triggers is cortisol levels. > > > > A rise in cortisol triggers waking and a drop triggers sleep. > > Melatonin, if I understand it right, is a " dark produced hormone " and > > has the effect of lowering cortisol levels. > > > > I have seen suggestions of using cortisol dosing times to help get > > over jet lag, and it's basically jet lag that you have. > > > > It's also worth using some light therapy to try and get your > > cortisol/melatonin production operating right. Do you sleep with > > curtains closed or does daylight come into your room??? > > > > I think another sleep trigger is blood sugar levels. What and when you > > eat can help sleep. > > > > If you can get sleep/cortisol/T3 synchronised and stable then > > hopefully you will feel less fatigued. > > > > Have you looked for any sleep groups on the Internet? > > > > Nick > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 The pain and pressure I am experiencing in my head now, can that be from too much HC (what if my adrenals are producing more cortisol now, like I don't need any more HC-meds!) or can it be from rT3 increasing? I am not taking more T4 now than I did before I took ERFA Thyroid. 1 mcg less daily. BUT ERFA Thyroid may be more effective in the system, so I might be getting more T4 after all. I hate being in this mess so much. All the pain and suffering, and fear of dying, from all these symptoms. I was never really very much afraid of dying before (2007), but after my Atrial Fibrillation and then this long period of almost 2 years of getting worse and worse, it's impossible to avoid getting scared. I am, somehow, tougher now than I was last year. Probably because it has been such a long time feeling like CRAP every single day. My specialist told me that I can switch to Medrol. Is there a chance it can be better for me than HC? 2-3 days til I get my rT3 result in... > > > > > > > >But I see from this sample that my total was too low. As well as every value measured. > > > > > >PS! I woke up at the first sample time, took it, and went to bed again. > > > > Which is why it's so low, it's a " sleeping " level. > > > > As far as I know, Val, please correct me if I am wrong, one of the > > sleep triggers is cortisol levels. > > > > A rise in cortisol triggers waking and a drop triggers sleep. > > Melatonin, if I understand it right, is a " dark produced hormone " and > > has the effect of lowering cortisol levels. > > > > I have seen suggestions of using cortisol dosing times to help get > > over jet lag, and it's basically jet lag that you have. > > > > It's also worth using some light therapy to try and get your > > cortisol/melatonin production operating right. Do you sleep with > > curtains closed or does daylight come into your room??? > > > > I think another sleep trigger is blood sugar levels. What and when you > > eat can help sleep. > > > > If you can get sleep/cortisol/T3 synchronised and stable then > > hopefully you will feel less fatigued. > > > > Have you looked for any sleep groups on the Internet? > > > > Nick > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 The pain and pressure I am experiencing in my head now, can that be from too much HC (what if my adrenals are producing more cortisol now, like I don't need any more HC-meds!) or can it be from rT3 increasing? I am not taking more T4 now than I did before I took ERFA Thyroid. 1 mcg less daily. BUT ERFA Thyroid may be more effective in the system, so I might be getting more T4 after all. I hate being in this mess so much. All the pain and suffering, and fear of dying, from all these symptoms. I was never really very much afraid of dying before (2007), but after my Atrial Fibrillation and then this long period of almost 2 years of getting worse and worse, it's impossible to avoid getting scared. I am, somehow, tougher now than I was last year. Probably because it has been such a long time feeling like CRAP every single day. My specialist told me that I can switch to Medrol. Is there a chance it can be better for me than HC? 2-3 days til I get my rT3 result in... > > > > > > > >But I see from this sample that my total was too low. As well as every value measured. > > > > > >PS! I woke up at the first sample time, took it, and went to bed again. > > > > Which is why it's so low, it's a " sleeping " level. > > > > As far as I know, Val, please correct me if I am wrong, one of the > > sleep triggers is cortisol levels. > > > > A rise in cortisol triggers waking and a drop triggers sleep. > > Melatonin, if I understand it right, is a " dark produced hormone " and > > has the effect of lowering cortisol levels. > > > > I have seen suggestions of using cortisol dosing times to help get > > over jet lag, and it's basically jet lag that you have. > > > > It's also worth using some light therapy to try and get your > > cortisol/melatonin production operating right. Do you sleep with > > curtains closed or does daylight come into your room??? > > > > I think another sleep trigger is blood sugar levels. What and when you > > eat can help sleep. > > > > If you can get sleep/cortisol/T3 synchronised and stable then > > hopefully you will feel less fatigued. > > > > Have you looked for any sleep groups on the Internet? > > > > Nick > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2009 Report Share Posted November 30, 2009 >So my symptoms for today, like it has been more and more in the >past week is pressure-like symptoms in my head, and stinging pain >in the head. And waves of " magnetic shocks " through the head. Ouch > >I am seriously suspicious about HC and the raise I did 9 days ago. >I was on 20 for some months, got headaches (for unknown reasons), >lowered my HC to 17.5 mg, and then abck up to 20 mg 9 days ago, >because me and my specialist thought I needed more HC to tolerate >the T3 I am taking in ERFA Thyroid. On the PC in the office at the moment so don't have the history of the thread here. >It feels like my brain is swelling or something. Can it be >dangerous to be on 20 mg HC? I mean, what if I am the few >people who get huge problems while on HC? 20 is in the range your body normally produces, your body should lower it's own production if there is too much around so that should be safe. Suggestion, and Val may have better ideas, your sleep seems all over the place, and hence it's not just a matter of " bringing it back " , its a matter of establishing a pattern in the first place. Dictate to your body with the clock to establish a pattern but align it with daylight. Decide on times to suit your life, but work with daylight. I've suggesteimes here, move them to suit but be consistent from day to day. Front load the HC quite heavily, say 10, 7.5, 5, 2.5 Set up a time clock to put a light on in the bedroom at the nominated " waking time, and have 2 alarm clocks, one to wake you to take HC and thyroid, the other to get you out of bed if you doze off again. Set things as follows roughly, adjust it to suit you but try and match the natural light, don't be asleep in daylight 7am, light comes on 7.15 first alarm goes off, take the Erfa and first dose of HC, 7.30, backup alarm goes off, get out of bed, eat and drink. Try and get some exercise early in the day, a brisk walk or whatever but something to get the cortisol moving. DO NOT sleep in the day at all, even if it's hard to stay awake. NO stimulants (coffee for instance) after 12.00 noon by 9pm be " running down " , nothing strenuous or exciting, fairly dimly lit room, read or look at web rather than watch a film, nothing to generate " excitement " Pick a bed time, and this is where you may be able to bring things forward eventually. Start at midnight say and bring it earlier each day. Have a glass of milk before you go to bed. Get into bed, read for 5 mins if you want to, and put the light out, make sure the room is dark, no street lights. If there are disturbing occasional noises then maybe put on one of the CDs of wave sounds or similar to stop slight noises penetrating. If you wake in the night then minimum physical activity and dimmish light, read if you are wide awake and put the ight out again 30 mins later. Be sure to take the HC on the first alarm in the morning and get up on the second even if you were awake in the night. If you end up on T3 only take a good night dose as you put the light out, it lowers cortisol and promotes sleep because of it. DO NOT try this with Erfa, the T2 wakes you up and disturbs sleep. Give it a week, see how it goes, no matter how tired you are in the morning get out of bed on that second alarm. You may end up getting more tired before you pick up on it but the HC and light in the morning ought to kick your body into life and give you a handle to hang the day on as it were. The ideal will be to wake feeling rested as the light comes on with the timeclock. If anyone has better ideas please feel free to chip in. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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