Re: Duct Tape

[Guest guest]

Tape or straps, neither totally keeps a pt from

moving. They both have the same effect. We were not

allowed to use the duct tape on the forehead. It was

considered a little cruel.

Salvador Capuchino

EMT-Paramedic

--- Danny wrote:

> Ok, ladies and gentlemen of the greater EMS

> community. I have used duct tape for immobilization

> only on the forehead and possibly under the chin to

> help the patient understand not to move their head.

> I was not aware we are using this instead of

> straping our patients to the backboard with standard

> quick clip straps or standard straps.

>

> Please tell me what I have been seeing is not in

> relation to my last statement.

>

>

>

> " Crosby, E "

> wrote:

> Mr. Molino, I was apparently very wrong. The duct

> tape issue

> does seem to start some sticky arguments. I stand

> properly chastised

> and will now take 10 minutes to reevaluate my life,

> flog myself with

> duct tape and hide my young before they are eaten.

>

> Crosby

> EMT-B

>

> PS: I will still use duct tape for quick and easy

> auto, home repair and

> minor veterinary needs....

>

> PPS: I hope you had a very enjoyable Thanksgiving

> after your shift was

> up (or maybe during?).

>

> Re: Duct Tape

>

> Salvador,

>

> It is nice that you step up to the plate to explain

> what Alfonso was

> saying;

> ... that you and he worked for a service that

> considered a patient's

> ability to pay or a class of individuals' ability to

> pay to

> establish how you treated those you encountered.

> Exactly how long

> did it take either of you to have that epiphany?

>

> [Crosby, E] Snipped for brevity

>

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[Guest guest]

Tape or straps, neither totally keeps a pt from

moving. They both have the same effect. We were not

allowed to use the duct tape on the forehead. It was

considered a little cruel.

Salvador Capuchino

EMT-Paramedic

--- Danny wrote:

> Ok, ladies and gentlemen of the greater EMS

> community. I have used duct tape for immobilization

> only on the forehead and possibly under the chin to

> help the patient understand not to move their head.

> I was not aware we are using this instead of

> straping our patients to the backboard with standard

> quick clip straps or standard straps.

>

> Please tell me what I have been seeing is not in

> relation to my last statement.

>

>

>

> " Crosby, E "

> wrote:

> Mr. Molino, I was apparently very wrong. The duct

> tape issue

> does seem to start some sticky arguments. I stand

> properly chastised

> and will now take 10 minutes to reevaluate my life,

> flog myself with

> duct tape and hide my young before they are eaten.

>

> Crosby

> EMT-B

>

> PS: I will still use duct tape for quick and easy

> auto, home repair and

> minor veterinary needs....

>

> PPS: I hope you had a very enjoyable Thanksgiving

> after your shift was

> up (or maybe during?).

>

> Re: Duct Tape

>

> Salvador,

>

> It is nice that you step up to the plate to explain

> what Alfonso was

> saying;

> ... that you and he worked for a service that

> considered a patient's

> ability to pay or a class of individuals' ability to

> pay to

> establish how you treated those you encountered.

> Exactly how long

> did it take either of you to have that epiphany?

>

> [Crosby, E] Snipped for brevity

>

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>

> This email and its attachments, if any, are intended

> for the personal use of the named recipient(s) and

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> agent responsible for delivering it to a named

> recipient, you have received this email in error. In

> that event, please (a) immediately notify me by

> reply email, ( do not review, copy, save, forward,

> or print this email or any of its attachments, and

> © immediately delete and/or destroy this email and

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> copies thereof. Thank you.

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>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

How about seran wrap?

Salvador Capuchino

EMT-Paramedic

--- txguy001@... wrote:

> Why can't we just use super glue?

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Salvador wrote, " Tape or straps, neither totally keeps a pt from moving.

They both have the same effect. We were not

allowed to use the duct tape on the forehead. It was considered a little

cruel.

Why do you think we changed the terminology from " Spinal Immobilization " to

" Spinal Motion Restriction " in our textbooks.

[Guest guest]

OFF the subject a little but...

wasnt there an article awhile back (7-8 years)in either the messenger

or the EMS Mag that was in an April's issue about a foam that Medics

could spray on, and then at the hospital would de-activate with

another agent?

I can't remember where I saw that article...It was meant as an April

Fools Joke...now here we are discussing it..

anyone remember?

[Guest guest]

Exactly Dr.B. Henceforth why arguing over which one is

better is senseless. Both do the same job. Neither

really restricts movement the way we want. However, I

would not use tape on an obese pt. T-bands maybe.

Straps if there were some long enough.

Salvador Capuchino

EMT-Paramedic

--- bbledsoe wrote:

> Salvador wrote, " Tape or straps, neither totally

> keeps a pt from moving.

> They both have the same effect. We were not

> allowed to use the duct tape on the forehead. It

> was considered a little

> cruel.

>

> Why do you think we changed the terminology from

> " Spinal Immobilization " to

> " Spinal Motion Restriction " in our textbooks.

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Exactly Dr.B. Henceforth why arguing over which one is

better is senseless. Both do the same job. Neither

really restricts movement the way we want. However, I

would not use tape on an obese pt. T-bands maybe.

Straps if there were some long enough.

Salvador Capuchino

EMT-Paramedic

--- bbledsoe wrote:

> Salvador wrote, " Tape or straps, neither totally

> keeps a pt from moving.

> They both have the same effect. We were not

> allowed to use the duct tape on the forehead. It

> was considered a little

> cruel.

>

> Why do you think we changed the terminology from

> " Spinal Immobilization " to

> " Spinal Motion Restriction " in our textbooks.

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dr. B, I heard seran wrap was being used somewhere up

north. It was said it was very effective in

restricting pt movement. Any truth to this?

Salvador Capuchino

EMT-Paramedic

--- bbledsoe wrote:

> Salvador wrote, " Tape or straps, neither totally

> keeps a pt from moving.

> They both have the same effect. We were not

> allowed to use the duct tape on the forehead. It

> was considered a little

> cruel.

>

> Why do you think we changed the terminology from

> " Spinal Immobilization " to

> " Spinal Motion Restriction " in our textbooks.

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dr. B, I heard seran wrap was being used somewhere up

north. It was said it was very effective in

restricting pt movement. Any truth to this?

Salvador Capuchino

EMT-Paramedic

--- bbledsoe wrote:

> Salvador wrote, " Tape or straps, neither totally

> keeps a pt from moving.

> They both have the same effect. We were not

> allowed to use the duct tape on the forehead. It

> was considered a little

> cruel.

>

> Why do you think we changed the terminology from

> " Spinal Immobilization " to

> " Spinal Motion Restriction " in our textbooks.

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have never heard of it. There budgets are getting pretty tight and you can

get generic Saran wrap at Dollar General for a dollar. I still maintain that

the vacuum mattress is still the best spinal motion restriction device.

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Subject: RE: Re: Duct Tape

Dr. B, I heard seran wrap was being used somewhere up

north. It was said it was very effective in

restricting pt movement. Any truth to this?

Salvador Capuchino

EMT-Paramedic

--- bbledsoe wrote:

> Salvador wrote, " Tape or straps, neither totally

> keeps a pt from moving.

> They both have the same effect. We were not

> allowed to use the duct tape on the forehead. It

> was considered a little

> cruel.

>

> Why do you think we changed the terminology from

> " Spinal Immobilization " to

> " Spinal Motion Restriction " in our textbooks.

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Mike,

If this has already been asked, please excuse the post, but who is responsible

for washing the webbing after it has been contaminated? I am sure it is not

hosed off or simply wiped down and stuck back in the unit until it begins to

ferment. I agree that webbing is the better product but even though it can be

disposable, I think we all agree it seldom is.

Dave

Mike wrote:

Nylon rescue webbing is more secure, easier to apply, does not stick

to gloves and is reusable. It can also be easily sized to patients

and applied through the loops on backboards to provide a safer pattern

of securing someone. As a bonus, is also works well in the rain.

Liability-wise, is your tape manufacturer willing to put a load rating

on its tape? Nylon rescue webbing comes with an ANSI standard load

rating. Also, will that load rating apply to the " hold point " where

the tape " sticks " to the backboard? Which would you rather have your

patient secured with when your ambulance flips over and that 350 lb

patient is now directly over your head?

Mike

> Hello gang,

>

>

> I have found duct tape to be very useful and can be applied very quickly. If

> you run into multiple victims, it does come in very handy. I hope the tape

> you currently use isn't the silver stuff you find at Home Depot. They " tape

> manufactures " have a mil spec that is " medical tape " it comes in white. It

can

> be a little bit of a tangle with medical gloves on, but when you get used to

> it, it works great. The price is right, and it can't be stolen from the

> hospital. How many spider straps do you have to loose before going to tape?

>

> Happy Thanksgiving, God Bless all of your families!

>

>

> Ron

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Mike,

If this has already been asked, please excuse the post, but who is responsible

for washing the webbing after it has been contaminated? I am sure it is not

hosed off or simply wiped down and stuck back in the unit until it begins to

ferment. I agree that webbing is the better product but even though it can be

disposable, I think we all agree it seldom is.

Dave

Mike wrote:

Nylon rescue webbing is more secure, easier to apply, does not stick

to gloves and is reusable. It can also be easily sized to patients

and applied through the loops on backboards to provide a safer pattern

of securing someone. As a bonus, is also works well in the rain.

Liability-wise, is your tape manufacturer willing to put a load rating

on its tape? Nylon rescue webbing comes with an ANSI standard load

rating. Also, will that load rating apply to the " hold point " where

the tape " sticks " to the backboard? Which would you rather have your

patient secured with when your ambulance flips over and that 350 lb

patient is now directly over your head?

Mike

> Hello gang,

>

>

> I have found duct tape to be very useful and can be applied very quickly. If

> you run into multiple victims, it does come in very handy. I hope the tape

> you currently use isn't the silver stuff you find at Home Depot. They " tape

> manufactures " have a mil spec that is " medical tape " it comes in white. It

can

> be a little bit of a tangle with medical gloves on, but when you get used to

> it, it works great. The price is right, and it can't be stolen from the

> hospital. How many spider straps do you have to loose before going to tape?

>

> Happy Thanksgiving, God Bless all of your families!

>

>

> Ron

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Mike,

If this has already been asked, please excuse the post, but who is responsible

for washing the webbing after it has been contaminated? I am sure it is not

hosed off or simply wiped down and stuck back in the unit until it begins to

ferment. I agree that webbing is the better product but even though it can be

disposable, I think we all agree it seldom is.

Dave

Mike wrote:

Nylon rescue webbing is more secure, easier to apply, does not stick

to gloves and is reusable. It can also be easily sized to patients

and applied through the loops on backboards to provide a safer pattern

of securing someone. As a bonus, is also works well in the rain.

Liability-wise, is your tape manufacturer willing to put a load rating

on its tape? Nylon rescue webbing comes with an ANSI standard load

rating. Also, will that load rating apply to the " hold point " where

the tape " sticks " to the backboard? Which would you rather have your

patient secured with when your ambulance flips over and that 350 lb

patient is now directly over your head?

Mike

> Hello gang,

>

>

> I have found duct tape to be very useful and can be applied very quickly. If

> you run into multiple victims, it does come in very handy. I hope the tape

> you currently use isn't the silver stuff you find at Home Depot. They " tape

> manufactures " have a mil spec that is " medical tape " it comes in white. It

can

> be a little bit of a tangle with medical gloves on, but when you get used to

> it, it works great. The price is right, and it can't be stolen from the

> hospital. How many spider straps do you have to loose before going to tape?

>

> Happy Thanksgiving, God Bless all of your families!

>

>

> Ron

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It's easy enough to throw in a bucket of cidex for 10-15 minutes to

kill the nasties, then put it through a washer. If you use a

" delicates " bag like women use for panty hose, etc., it'll keep it

from tangling arund the machinery.

Mike

> Mike,

>

> If this has already been asked, please excuse the post, but who is

responsible for washing the webbing after it has been contaminated? I am sure it

is not hosed off or simply wiped down and stuck back in the unit until it begins

to ferment. I agree that webbing is the better product but even though it can be

disposable, I think we all agree it seldom is.

>

> Dave

>

> Mike wrote:

> Nylon rescue webbing is more secure, easier to apply, does not stick

> to gloves and is reusable. It can also be easily sized to patients

> and applied through the loops on backboards to provide a safer pattern

> of securing someone. As a bonus, is also works well in the rain.

>

> Liability-wise, is your tape manufacturer willing to put a load rating

> on its tape? Nylon rescue webbing comes with an ANSI standard load

> rating. Also, will that load rating apply to the " hold point " where

> the tape " sticks " to the backboard? Which would you rather have your

> patient secured with when your ambulance flips over and that 350 lb

> patient is now directly over your head?

>

> Mike

>

>

> > Hello gang,

> >

> >

> > I have found duct tape to be very useful and can be applied very quickly.

If

> > you run into multiple victims, it does come in very handy. I hope the tape

> > you currently use isn't the silver stuff you find at Home Depot. They "

tape

> > manufactures " have a mil spec that is " medical tape " it comes in white. It

can

> > be a little bit of a tangle with medical gloves on, but when you get used

to

> > it, it works great. The price is right, and it can't be stolen from the

> > hospital. How many spider straps do you have to loose before going to tape?

> >

> > Happy Thanksgiving, God Bless all of your families!

> >

> >

> > Ron

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

It's easy enough to throw in a bucket of cidex for 10-15 minutes to

kill the nasties, then put it through a washer. If you use a

" delicates " bag like women use for panty hose, etc., it'll keep it

from tangling arund the machinery.

Mike

> Mike,

>

> If this has already been asked, please excuse the post, but who is

responsible for washing the webbing after it has been contaminated? I am sure it

is not hosed off or simply wiped down and stuck back in the unit until it begins

to ferment. I agree that webbing is the better product but even though it can be

disposable, I think we all agree it seldom is.

>

> Dave

>

> Mike wrote:

> Nylon rescue webbing is more secure, easier to apply, does not stick

> to gloves and is reusable. It can also be easily sized to patients

> and applied through the loops on backboards to provide a safer pattern

> of securing someone. As a bonus, is also works well in the rain.

>

> Liability-wise, is your tape manufacturer willing to put a load rating

> on its tape? Nylon rescue webbing comes with an ANSI standard load

> rating. Also, will that load rating apply to the " hold point " where

> the tape " sticks " to the backboard? Which would you rather have your

> patient secured with when your ambulance flips over and that 350 lb

> patient is now directly over your head?

>

> Mike

>

>

> > Hello gang,

> >

> >

> > I have found duct tape to be very useful and can be applied very quickly.

If

> > you run into multiple victims, it does come in very handy. I hope the tape

> > you currently use isn't the silver stuff you find at Home Depot. They "

tape

> > manufactures " have a mil spec that is " medical tape " it comes in white. It

can

> > be a little bit of a tangle with medical gloves on, but when you get used

to

> > it, it works great. The price is right, and it can't be stolen from the

> > hospital. How many spider straps do you have to loose before going to tape?

> >

> > Happy Thanksgiving, God Bless all of your families!

> >

> >

> > Ron

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

It's easy enough to throw in a bucket of cidex for 10-15 minutes to

kill the nasties, then put it through a washer. If you use a

" delicates " bag like women use for panty hose, etc., it'll keep it

from tangling arund the machinery.

Mike

> Mike,

>

> If this has already been asked, please excuse the post, but who is

responsible for washing the webbing after it has been contaminated? I am sure it

is not hosed off or simply wiped down and stuck back in the unit until it begins

to ferment. I agree that webbing is the better product but even though it can be

disposable, I think we all agree it seldom is.

>

> Dave

>

> Mike wrote:

> Nylon rescue webbing is more secure, easier to apply, does not stick

> to gloves and is reusable. It can also be easily sized to patients

> and applied through the loops on backboards to provide a safer pattern

> of securing someone. As a bonus, is also works well in the rain.

>

> Liability-wise, is your tape manufacturer willing to put a load rating

> on its tape? Nylon rescue webbing comes with an ANSI standard load

> rating. Also, will that load rating apply to the " hold point " where

> the tape " sticks " to the backboard? Which would you rather have your

> patient secured with when your ambulance flips over and that 350 lb

> patient is now directly over your head?

>

> Mike

>

>

> > Hello gang,

> >

> >

> > I have found duct tape to be very useful and can be applied very quickly.

If

> > you run into multiple victims, it does come in very handy. I hope the tape

> > you currently use isn't the silver stuff you find at Home Depot. They "

tape

> > manufactures " have a mil spec that is " medical tape " it comes in white. It

can

> > be a little bit of a tangle with medical gloves on, but when you get used

to

> > it, it works great. The price is right, and it can't be stolen from the

> > hospital. How many spider straps do you have to loose before going to tape?

> >

> > Happy Thanksgiving, God Bless all of your families!

> >

> >

> > Ron

> >

> >

> >

> >