Guest guest Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 Tape or straps, neither totally keeps a pt from moving. They both have the same effect. We were not allowed to use the duct tape on the forehead. It was considered a little cruel. Salvador Capuchino EMT-Paramedic --- Danny wrote: > Ok, ladies and gentlemen of the greater EMS > community. I have used duct tape for immobilization > only on the forehead and possibly under the chin to > help the patient understand not to move their head. > I was not aware we are using this instead of > straping our patients to the backboard with standard > quick clip straps or standard straps. > > Please tell me what I have been seeing is not in > relation to my last statement. > > > > " Crosby, E " > wrote: > Mr. Molino, I was apparently very wrong. The duct > tape issue > does seem to start some sticky arguments. I stand > properly chastised > and will now take 10 minutes to reevaluate my life, > flog myself with > duct tape and hide my young before they are eaten. > > Crosby > EMT-B > > PS: I will still use duct tape for quick and easy > auto, home repair and > minor veterinary needs.... > > PPS: I hope you had a very enjoyable Thanksgiving > after your shift was > up (or maybe during?). > > Re: Duct Tape > > Salvador, > > It is nice that you step up to the plate to explain > what Alfonso was > saying; > ... that you and he worked for a service that > considered a patient's > ability to pay or a class of individuals' ability to > pay to > establish how you treated those you encountered. > Exactly how long > did it take either of you to have that epiphany? > > [Crosby, E] Snipped for brevity > ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ > > This email and its attachments, if any, are intended > for the personal use of the named recipient(s) and > may contain confidential, privileged, or proprietary > information. If you are not a named recipient, or an > agent responsible for delivering it to a named > recipient, you have received this email in error. In > that event, please (a) immediately notify me by > reply email, ( do not review, copy, save, forward, > or print this email or any of its attachments, and > © immediately delete and/or destroy this email and > its attachments and all electronic and physical > copies thereof. Thank you. > ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 Tape or straps, neither totally keeps a pt from moving. They both have the same effect. We were not allowed to use the duct tape on the forehead. It was considered a little cruel. Salvador Capuchino EMT-Paramedic --- Danny wrote: > Ok, ladies and gentlemen of the greater EMS > community. I have used duct tape for immobilization > only on the forehead and possibly under the chin to > help the patient understand not to move their head. > I was not aware we are using this instead of > straping our patients to the backboard with standard > quick clip straps or standard straps. > > Please tell me what I have been seeing is not in > relation to my last statement. > > > > " Crosby, E " > wrote: > Mr. Molino, I was apparently very wrong. The duct > tape issue > does seem to start some sticky arguments. I stand > properly chastised > and will now take 10 minutes to reevaluate my life, > flog myself with > duct tape and hide my young before they are eaten. > > Crosby > EMT-B > > PS: I will still use duct tape for quick and easy > auto, home repair and > minor veterinary needs.... > > PPS: I hope you had a very enjoyable Thanksgiving > after your shift was > up (or maybe during?). > > Re: Duct Tape > > Salvador, > > It is nice that you step up to the plate to explain > what Alfonso was > saying; > ... that you and he worked for a service that > considered a patient's > ability to pay or a class of individuals' ability to > pay to > establish how you treated those you encountered. > Exactly how long > did it take either of you to have that epiphany? > > [Crosby, E] Snipped for brevity > ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ > > This email and its attachments, if any, are intended > for the personal use of the named recipient(s) and > may contain confidential, privileged, or proprietary > information. If you are not a named recipient, or an > agent responsible for delivering it to a named > recipient, you have received this email in error. In > that event, please (a) immediately notify me by > reply email, ( do not review, copy, save, forward, > or print this email or any of its attachments, and > © immediately delete and/or destroy this email and > its attachments and all electronic and physical > copies thereof. Thank you. > ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 How about seran wrap? Salvador Capuchino EMT-Paramedic --- txguy001@... wrote: > Why can't we just use super glue? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2005 Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 Salvador wrote, " Tape or straps, neither totally keeps a pt from moving. They both have the same effect. We were not allowed to use the duct tape on the forehead. It was considered a little cruel. Why do you think we changed the terminology from " Spinal Immobilization " to " Spinal Motion Restriction " in our textbooks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2005 Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 OFF the subject a little but... wasnt there an article awhile back (7-8 years)in either the messenger or the EMS Mag that was in an April's issue about a foam that Medics could spray on, and then at the hospital would de-activate with another agent? I can't remember where I saw that article...It was meant as an April Fools Joke...now here we are discussing it.. anyone remember? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2005 Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 Exactly Dr.B. Henceforth why arguing over which one is better is senseless. Both do the same job. Neither really restricts movement the way we want. However, I would not use tape on an obese pt. T-bands maybe. Straps if there were some long enough. Salvador Capuchino EMT-Paramedic --- bbledsoe wrote: > Salvador wrote, " Tape or straps, neither totally > keeps a pt from moving. > They both have the same effect. We were not > allowed to use the duct tape on the forehead. It > was considered a little > cruel. > > Why do you think we changed the terminology from > " Spinal Immobilization " to > " Spinal Motion Restriction " in our textbooks. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2005 Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 Exactly Dr.B. Henceforth why arguing over which one is better is senseless. Both do the same job. Neither really restricts movement the way we want. However, I would not use tape on an obese pt. T-bands maybe. Straps if there were some long enough. Salvador Capuchino EMT-Paramedic --- bbledsoe wrote: > Salvador wrote, " Tape or straps, neither totally > keeps a pt from moving. > They both have the same effect. We were not > allowed to use the duct tape on the forehead. It > was considered a little > cruel. > > Why do you think we changed the terminology from > " Spinal Immobilization " to > " Spinal Motion Restriction " in our textbooks. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2005 Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 Dr. B, I heard seran wrap was being used somewhere up north. It was said it was very effective in restricting pt movement. Any truth to this? Salvador Capuchino EMT-Paramedic --- bbledsoe wrote: > Salvador wrote, " Tape or straps, neither totally > keeps a pt from moving. > They both have the same effect. We were not > allowed to use the duct tape on the forehead. It > was considered a little > cruel. > > Why do you think we changed the terminology from > " Spinal Immobilization " to > " Spinal Motion Restriction " in our textbooks. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2005 Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 Dr. B, I heard seran wrap was being used somewhere up north. It was said it was very effective in restricting pt movement. Any truth to this? Salvador Capuchino EMT-Paramedic --- bbledsoe wrote: > Salvador wrote, " Tape or straps, neither totally > keeps a pt from moving. > They both have the same effect. We were not > allowed to use the duct tape on the forehead. It > was considered a little > cruel. > > Why do you think we changed the terminology from > " Spinal Immobilization " to > " Spinal Motion Restriction " in our textbooks. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2005 Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 I have never heard of it. There budgets are getting pretty tight and you can get generic Saran wrap at Dollar General for a dollar. I still maintain that the vacuum mattress is still the best spinal motion restriction device. _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of salvador capuchino Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 12:17 PM To: Subject: RE: Re: Duct Tape Dr. B, I heard seran wrap was being used somewhere up north. It was said it was very effective in restricting pt movement. Any truth to this? Salvador Capuchino EMT-Paramedic --- bbledsoe wrote: > Salvador wrote, " Tape or straps, neither totally > keeps a pt from moving. > They both have the same effect. We were not > allowed to use the duct tape on the forehead. It > was considered a little > cruel. > > Why do you think we changed the terminology from > " Spinal Immobilization " to > " Spinal Motion Restriction " in our textbooks. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 Mike, If this has already been asked, please excuse the post, but who is responsible for washing the webbing after it has been contaminated? I am sure it is not hosed off or simply wiped down and stuck back in the unit until it begins to ferment. I agree that webbing is the better product but even though it can be disposable, I think we all agree it seldom is. Dave Mike wrote: Nylon rescue webbing is more secure, easier to apply, does not stick to gloves and is reusable. It can also be easily sized to patients and applied through the loops on backboards to provide a safer pattern of securing someone. As a bonus, is also works well in the rain. Liability-wise, is your tape manufacturer willing to put a load rating on its tape? Nylon rescue webbing comes with an ANSI standard load rating. Also, will that load rating apply to the " hold point " where the tape " sticks " to the backboard? Which would you rather have your patient secured with when your ambulance flips over and that 350 lb patient is now directly over your head? Mike > Hello gang, > > > I have found duct tape to be very useful and can be applied very quickly. If > you run into multiple victims, it does come in very handy. I hope the tape > you currently use isn't the silver stuff you find at Home Depot. They " tape > manufactures " have a mil spec that is " medical tape " it comes in white. It can > be a little bit of a tangle with medical gloves on, but when you get used to > it, it works great. The price is right, and it can't be stolen from the > hospital. How many spider straps do you have to loose before going to tape? > > Happy Thanksgiving, God Bless all of your families! > > > Ron > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 Mike, If this has already been asked, please excuse the post, but who is responsible for washing the webbing after it has been contaminated? I am sure it is not hosed off or simply wiped down and stuck back in the unit until it begins to ferment. I agree that webbing is the better product but even though it can be disposable, I think we all agree it seldom is. Dave Mike wrote: Nylon rescue webbing is more secure, easier to apply, does not stick to gloves and is reusable. It can also be easily sized to patients and applied through the loops on backboards to provide a safer pattern of securing someone. As a bonus, is also works well in the rain. Liability-wise, is your tape manufacturer willing to put a load rating on its tape? Nylon rescue webbing comes with an ANSI standard load rating. Also, will that load rating apply to the " hold point " where the tape " sticks " to the backboard? Which would you rather have your patient secured with when your ambulance flips over and that 350 lb patient is now directly over your head? Mike > Hello gang, > > > I have found duct tape to be very useful and can be applied very quickly. If > you run into multiple victims, it does come in very handy. I hope the tape > you currently use isn't the silver stuff you find at Home Depot. They " tape > manufactures " have a mil spec that is " medical tape " it comes in white. It can > be a little bit of a tangle with medical gloves on, but when you get used to > it, it works great. The price is right, and it can't be stolen from the > hospital. How many spider straps do you have to loose before going to tape? > > Happy Thanksgiving, God Bless all of your families! > > > Ron > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 Mike, If this has already been asked, please excuse the post, but who is responsible for washing the webbing after it has been contaminated? I am sure it is not hosed off or simply wiped down and stuck back in the unit until it begins to ferment. I agree that webbing is the better product but even though it can be disposable, I think we all agree it seldom is. Dave Mike wrote: Nylon rescue webbing is more secure, easier to apply, does not stick to gloves and is reusable. It can also be easily sized to patients and applied through the loops on backboards to provide a safer pattern of securing someone. As a bonus, is also works well in the rain. Liability-wise, is your tape manufacturer willing to put a load rating on its tape? Nylon rescue webbing comes with an ANSI standard load rating. Also, will that load rating apply to the " hold point " where the tape " sticks " to the backboard? Which would you rather have your patient secured with when your ambulance flips over and that 350 lb patient is now directly over your head? Mike > Hello gang, > > > I have found duct tape to be very useful and can be applied very quickly. If > you run into multiple victims, it does come in very handy. I hope the tape > you currently use isn't the silver stuff you find at Home Depot. They " tape > manufactures " have a mil spec that is " medical tape " it comes in white. It can > be a little bit of a tangle with medical gloves on, but when you get used to > it, it works great. The price is right, and it can't be stolen from the > hospital. How many spider straps do you have to loose before going to tape? > > Happy Thanksgiving, God Bless all of your families! > > > Ron > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 It's easy enough to throw in a bucket of cidex for 10-15 minutes to kill the nasties, then put it through a washer. If you use a " delicates " bag like women use for panty hose, etc., it'll keep it from tangling arund the machinery. Mike > Mike, > > If this has already been asked, please excuse the post, but who is responsible for washing the webbing after it has been contaminated? I am sure it is not hosed off or simply wiped down and stuck back in the unit until it begins to ferment. I agree that webbing is the better product but even though it can be disposable, I think we all agree it seldom is. > > Dave > > Mike wrote: > Nylon rescue webbing is more secure, easier to apply, does not stick > to gloves and is reusable. It can also be easily sized to patients > and applied through the loops on backboards to provide a safer pattern > of securing someone. As a bonus, is also works well in the rain. > > Liability-wise, is your tape manufacturer willing to put a load rating > on its tape? Nylon rescue webbing comes with an ANSI standard load > rating. Also, will that load rating apply to the " hold point " where > the tape " sticks " to the backboard? Which would you rather have your > patient secured with when your ambulance flips over and that 350 lb > patient is now directly over your head? > > Mike > > > > Hello gang, > > > > > > I have found duct tape to be very useful and can be applied very quickly. If > > you run into multiple victims, it does come in very handy. I hope the tape > > you currently use isn't the silver stuff you find at Home Depot. They " tape > > manufactures " have a mil spec that is " medical tape " it comes in white. It can > > be a little bit of a tangle with medical gloves on, but when you get used to > > it, it works great. The price is right, and it can't be stolen from the > > hospital. How many spider straps do you have to loose before going to tape? > > > > Happy Thanksgiving, God Bless all of your families! > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 It's easy enough to throw in a bucket of cidex for 10-15 minutes to kill the nasties, then put it through a washer. If you use a " delicates " bag like women use for panty hose, etc., it'll keep it from tangling arund the machinery. Mike > Mike, > > If this has already been asked, please excuse the post, but who is responsible for washing the webbing after it has been contaminated? I am sure it is not hosed off or simply wiped down and stuck back in the unit until it begins to ferment. I agree that webbing is the better product but even though it can be disposable, I think we all agree it seldom is. > > Dave > > Mike wrote: > Nylon rescue webbing is more secure, easier to apply, does not stick > to gloves and is reusable. It can also be easily sized to patients > and applied through the loops on backboards to provide a safer pattern > of securing someone. As a bonus, is also works well in the rain. > > Liability-wise, is your tape manufacturer willing to put a load rating > on its tape? Nylon rescue webbing comes with an ANSI standard load > rating. Also, will that load rating apply to the " hold point " where > the tape " sticks " to the backboard? Which would you rather have your > patient secured with when your ambulance flips over and that 350 lb > patient is now directly over your head? > > Mike > > > > Hello gang, > > > > > > I have found duct tape to be very useful and can be applied very quickly. If > > you run into multiple victims, it does come in very handy. I hope the tape > > you currently use isn't the silver stuff you find at Home Depot. They " tape > > manufactures " have a mil spec that is " medical tape " it comes in white. It can > > be a little bit of a tangle with medical gloves on, but when you get used to > > it, it works great. The price is right, and it can't be stolen from the > > hospital. How many spider straps do you have to loose before going to tape? > > > > Happy Thanksgiving, God Bless all of your families! > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 It's easy enough to throw in a bucket of cidex for 10-15 minutes to kill the nasties, then put it through a washer. If you use a " delicates " bag like women use for panty hose, etc., it'll keep it from tangling arund the machinery. Mike > Mike, > > If this has already been asked, please excuse the post, but who is responsible for washing the webbing after it has been contaminated? I am sure it is not hosed off or simply wiped down and stuck back in the unit until it begins to ferment. I agree that webbing is the better product but even though it can be disposable, I think we all agree it seldom is. > > Dave > > Mike wrote: > Nylon rescue webbing is more secure, easier to apply, does not stick > to gloves and is reusable. It can also be easily sized to patients > and applied through the loops on backboards to provide a safer pattern > of securing someone. As a bonus, is also works well in the rain. > > Liability-wise, is your tape manufacturer willing to put a load rating > on its tape? Nylon rescue webbing comes with an ANSI standard load > rating. Also, will that load rating apply to the " hold point " where > the tape " sticks " to the backboard? Which would you rather have your > patient secured with when your ambulance flips over and that 350 lb > patient is now directly over your head? > > Mike > > > > Hello gang, > > > > > > I have found duct tape to be very useful and can be applied very quickly. If > > you run into multiple victims, it does come in very handy. I hope the tape > > you currently use isn't the silver stuff you find at Home Depot. They " tape > > manufactures " have a mil spec that is " medical tape " it comes in white. It can > > be a little bit of a tangle with medical gloves on, but when you get used to > > it, it works great. The price is right, and it can't be stolen from the > > hospital. How many spider straps do you have to loose before going to tape? > > > > Happy Thanksgiving, God Bless all of your families! > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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