Re: Urgent rT3-question!!! (low body temps!)

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Taking more T4 in either JUST T4 or in natura;l thyroid wil only make an

RT3 pronblem worse. Takign T3 corrects it but ti doesn;t happen

overnight. If oyu have low ferritin or low cortils you may have probelms

wiht the T3 as well. Have you had those checked recently?

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Dear Val,

Thanks for replying SO fast! It means a lot to me right now! It makes me feel

less alone! *feels lucky*

Actually, I had a good, high Ferritin at 166 when my problems

with extreme stress started in May 2007.

After removing T3 and cutting down on T4 over these past last 2

years, I've seen my Ferritin decrease quickly.

I also started eating gluten-free a little more than 1 year ago,

so that can have contributed to my lowering of my Ferritin. (?)

My Ferritin is now at 45. (It was at 35) I started taking 18 mcg

Ferrochel Iron about 1 month ago to correct this issue.

I also started taking 20 mg Hydrocortison this June, because my

saliva test showed I had a bit low cortisol.

(http://www.nightrangerweb.net/cortisol.pdf)

I did a serum cortisol 1 week ago, before taking my morning dose of HC, and that

came out pretty high, at 550. The reference range is something like 150 to 650.

>

> Taking more T4 in either JUST T4 or in natura;l thyroid wil only make an

> RT3 pronblem worse. Takign T3 corrects it but ti doesn;t happen

> overnight. If oyu have low ferritin or low cortils you may have probelms

> wiht the T3 as well. Have you had those checked recently?

>

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Thanks for your advice, !

Can this also be a temporary hypo-state that is appearing because I need to

raise my ERFA Thyroid faster? It's so difficult to guess, and nobody really

knows.

So you suggest that I take 1/2 grain ERFA Thyroid, then instead of taking the 50

mcg T4 I should replace it with 10 mcg (as one tablet of T3 is 20 mcg) T3

instead?

I will try to double my iron intake.

>

> OK with your history I woudl stop the T4 and add in more T3. I would

> start with the ERFA you have been takign in the AM and add 1/2 tab of

> the T3 you have around midday. Your problems may be that your ferritin

> is still too low to tolerate the T3 well, I would suggest doubling at

> least the iron you are taking. I usually suggest 150-200mg a day of

> elemental iron as ferritin is hard to raise wiht lwo T3.

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But we don't know if my rT3) is getting higher until I do the blood test.

However, my symptoms are here right now, so... It must mean something!

Is there any difference between measuring T3 to rT3 and FT3 to rT3? Which one is

the preferred method?

I just took my 1/2 grain ERFA, about 3-4 hours late. Haven't dared taking my T4

yet. I am taking the whole rT3 thing seriously. I am scared.

What if I just skip taking those 50 mcg T4 today and take no extra T3 as well.

Will it be ok?

>

> Taking more T4 in ANY form only increases RT3. SO as soon as oyur iron

> is up you shoudl drop the ERFA as well and replace it with T3 too, but

> for now gettign rid of the 50mcg T4 shoudl help.

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I have figured out how to calculate my FT3 to rT3 ratio:

5.9 pmol FT3 divided by 0.38 nmol rT3 equals 15.5

How do I calculate the T3 to rT3 ratio?

I understand what I am taking is way too low. I was on 75 mcg T4 alone for many

months prior to this, btw. I am now in some kind of

thyroid hell. I hope I can get out of it! My wife does not understand me, or my

diseases. This is so hard! But this group is great support - Thank you, guys'n

gals, and !

I do have a typed plan in front of me. It says to stay on 50 mcg T4 and 1/2

grain ERFA for 3 weeks, then decrease T4 to 25 mcg and increase to 1/2 grain

ERFA morning AND evening, and it continues like this for 10 weeks until I am on

2 grain ERFA daily. That WAS the plan. I dunno if I can go through with it if

rT3 is bothering me.

>

> The ratio is differnt fro total T3 ot RT3 than it is for free, to

> compare the FT3 ot RT3 the ratio is 20 we look for or higher, for the

> total it is 10 or higher. It is fine to just stop the T4 but in the ERfa

> YOU ARE GETTGIN some t4 TOO. AND WHAT YOU ARE TAKIGN OF IT IS A TOO LOW

> DOSE OF THYROID FOR MOST PEOPLE SO YOU WILL MNEE D MORE .

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I just figured out how to calculate the ratio between T3 and rT3:

2.2 T3 divided by 0.38 rT3 equals 5.8

Actually, my ratio looks worse when I compare T3 to rT3, than when I calculate

FT3 to rT3, then the ratio is 15.5. Maybe I just cannot think straight. I feel

SO weird right now. . .

Haven't taken any more meds today, just that 1/2 grain ERFA.

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I see. Just me being a zombie now. Cannot think too straight.

I feel sooo low on energy it's crazy! I don't think I've ever

been like this!

Would it be dangerous if I took those 50 mcg T4 now at 8 pm,

just to see if I got better or worse tomorrow?

My specialist thinks we need to wait a little and see what

happens with me.

>

> Actually, my ratio looks worse when I compare T3 to rT3, than when I calculate

FT3 to rT3, then the ratio is 15.5. Maybe I just cannot think straight. I feel

SO weird right now. . .

>

> Not worse just differnt ranges you are shooting for. With the total T3 range

woudl be 10 or higher wiht the FREE it needs ot be 20 or higher.

>

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Actually, my temp has been 98.4 (36.9 C) for some hours now. Does that mean I do

NOT have an rT3-issue and only need more ERFA Thyroid? Like, can you have an rT3

problem and still have normal temps in the middle of the day? I did have very

low temps in the morning...

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Thanks a lot for your reply Nick. Means a lot to me!

So that gave me some comform. I know T4 is slow acting, so...

Ok, yeah, I think I'll stick to the plan my specialist made for me

for a few more days, analyze T3/T4/T3/FT4/TSH and most importantly,

rT3 before we do any changes to my medication.

Is it cool to take 50 mcg T4 now at like 9.30 pm? I usually take

my thyroid med when I wake up at like 11am.

>

> >I see. Just me being a zombie now. Cannot think too straight.

> >I feel sooo low on energy it's crazy! I don't think I've ever

> >been like this!

>

> Bummer

> >

> >Would it be dangerous if I took those 50 mcg T4 now at 8 pm,

> >just to see if I got better or worse tomorrow?

>

> It wouldn't be dangerous, it just wouldn't do anything in a sensible

> timescale and it will keep on feeding RT3 if that's the issue

>

> >Actually, my temp has been 98.4 (36.9 C) for some hours now. Does that mean I

do NOT have an rT3-issue and only need more ERFA Thyroid? Like, can you have an

rT3 problem and still have normal temps in the middle of the day? I did have

very low temps in the morning...

>

> It can affect the day/night ratio. Sounds like you ought to stick

> where you are for a day or two to let it settle

>

> Nick

>

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So that's how it goes. Thanks!!

Now I'm worried (very worried) that my cells/tissue won't get enough T3 from

having too high rT3. I currently take 100 mcg T4 total (50 mcg Synthetic T4, and

50 mcg T4 in 1/2 grain ERFA Thyroid) - I was on the same dose T4, 100 mcg, when

I got atrial fibrillation in January last year. But I was NOT on HC back then.

Can HC give me some kind of security now then? My Ferritin was at 166 back when

I got the atrial fibrillation. Now my Iron is at 45 (after taking Iron exactly

24 hours prior to the blood test) - Should I be worried? I do feel some weird

feelings in my heart, like, tickling feelings, but not as bad as when I got the

atrial fibrillation, but..I am worried it will come back to me and kill me. I

was lucky to survive last time. It lasted for 20 minutes in my home, then went

away. Luckily for me.

What I'm trying to say is... I am kind of freaking out, cause if the tissue gets

too little T3 because of rT3, paramedics won't be able to save me - Am I right?

(Or wrong? - Then, please do tell me I am wrong!) I know Val already recommended

me taking T3 instead of T4 with my ERFA Thyroid - But if I make the switch like

tomorrow (already took all my meds today) I won't get a perfect reading of rT3

on Monday - Cause you need to be on the same dose of T4 for a while to get a

real result of rT3 - on THAT specific dose of T4. Am I correct?

I just don't want to die... I think I've had rT3 issues for 2 1/2 years now.. I

only learned about rT3 a few months ago.....

I've been taking 75 mcg of T4 for 1 1/2 years now... Added 1/2 grain ERFA

Thyroid 8 days ago... Which means I've gone up to 100 mcg T4 total in these past

8 days... Should I worry?

The thing is: When I get the rT3 result (Wednesday, I hope!) I can start

switching from ERFA THyroid/T4 to T3... But I shouldn't make the switch before I

take that blood test and get the result!

What do you guys think? (Yes, I know I come off acting all crazy and stuff - But

hey, I worry about my life here!)

>

> Actually, my ratio looks worse when I compare T3 to rT3, than when I calculate

FT3 to rT3, then the ratio is 15.5. Maybe I just cannot think straight. I feel

SO weird right now. . .

>

> Not worse just differnt ranges you are shooting for. With the total T3 range

woudl be 10 or higher wiht the FREE it needs ot be 20 or higher.

>

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> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

>

[Guest guest]

So that's how it goes. Thanks!!

Now I'm worried (very worried) that my cells/tissue won't get enough T3 from

having too high rT3. I currently take 100 mcg T4 total (50 mcg Synthetic T4, and

50 mcg T4 in 1/2 grain ERFA Thyroid) - I was on the same dose T4, 100 mcg, when

I got atrial fibrillation in January last year. But I was NOT on HC back then.

Can HC give me some kind of security now then? My Ferritin was at 166 back when

I got the atrial fibrillation. Now my Iron is at 45 (after taking Iron exactly

24 hours prior to the blood test) - Should I be worried? I do feel some weird

feelings in my heart, like, tickling feelings, but not as bad as when I got the

atrial fibrillation, but..I am worried it will come back to me and kill me. I

was lucky to survive last time. It lasted for 20 minutes in my home, then went

away. Luckily for me.

What I'm trying to say is... I am kind of freaking out, cause if the tissue gets

too little T3 because of rT3, paramedics won't be able to save me - Am I right?

(Or wrong? - Then, please do tell me I am wrong!) I know Val already recommended

me taking T3 instead of T4 with my ERFA Thyroid - But if I make the switch like

tomorrow (already took all my meds today) I won't get a perfect reading of rT3

on Monday - Cause you need to be on the same dose of T4 for a while to get a

real result of rT3 - on THAT specific dose of T4. Am I correct?

I just don't want to die... I think I've had rT3 issues for 2 1/2 years now.. I

only learned about rT3 a few months ago.....

I've been taking 75 mcg of T4 for 1 1/2 years now... Added 1/2 grain ERFA

Thyroid 8 days ago... Which means I've gone up to 100 mcg T4 total in these past

8 days... Should I worry?

The thing is: When I get the rT3 result (Wednesday, I hope!) I can start

switching from ERFA THyroid/T4 to T3... But I shouldn't make the switch before I

take that blood test and get the result!

What do you guys think? (Yes, I know I come off acting all crazy and stuff - But

hey, I worry about my life here!)

>

> Actually, my ratio looks worse when I compare T3 to rT3, than when I calculate

FT3 to rT3, then the ratio is 15.5. Maybe I just cannot think straight. I feel

SO weird right now. . .

>

> Not worse just differnt ranges you are shooting for. With the total T3 range

woudl be 10 or higher wiht the FREE it needs ot be 20 or higher.

>

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> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

>

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The thing is that I've been very ill since May 2007. This is probably when I got

Adrenal Fatigue, and possibly also high rT3.

I will tell you about one symptom that appeared after May 2007, that I never

understood anything of, nor did my doctors: Ever morning when I woke up, and

took my first deep breath, I could feel some kind of " sound/feeling " in my

chest, like.. Some fluid was trying to get throug a small passage.. It's very

difficult to describe, but.. Like there was something in my lungs! This feeling

would appear at least once daily, sometimes more often, but only when I try to

breathe fully, like, all the way in, then exhale.. More and more, lately, this

symptom has started to appear all through the day.. Like it's a little difficult

to breathe! When I inhale, it gets a little bit tight towars the top... - CAN

THIS be the fluid that you're mentioning, after having high rT3 for 2 1/2+

years?

I mean, it would make sense though. I've desperately trying to find out what's

been wrong with me for these 2 1/2 years now. I found out that I had Adrenal

Fatigue, but if I also have an rT3-problem, wouldn't that solve all my riddles?

I think so.

My ratio was 15.5 one month ago - Doesn't that PROVE I have an rT3-problem

already? And if my ratio is worse now after being on ERFA Thyroid for 1+ week,

well.. Yeah!

Speaking of fluid retention, this is what many (not all?) Hypothyroid people get

before they get meds. I was 300 lbs when I was 18 years old (and I started with

T4 at this time, and lost 115 lbs in less than one year!) but have been steady

at around 185 lbs while on T4 and the T4/T3 combo, for 10 years after that.

However, in the past 2 years, my weight has gone up to 240 lbs, after removing

T3 meds and cutting down on T4 meds in these two years.

- I look down on my thighs, my bells, my manboobs (haha, sorry, just got to

laugh about that.. remembering an episode of " Seinfeld " , soon I need that " Bro "

Kramer invented!) and, I feel that I'm starting to produce more and more Mucus.

Wouldn't all the controversy about Hypothyroidism Type 2 be GONE if all

Hypothyroid Type 2 patients just started takign biopsy's to prove they had

Mucus? No other people than Hypothyroid people have Mucus!!!

Anyway... My arms and legs are still skinny though. Thighs, belly, upper body..

All growing.. Maybe HC is helping my body getting fatter.. I dunno.. But I am

NOT healthy looking these days.. And I feel like I'm dying, so..

Just hope the symptom from my lungs won't kill me!

>

> Actually your life is not indanger form high RT3 until you have had it

> VERY high for years. Then it is Congestive heart failure of fluid in the

> liungs that would kill you SLOWLY. This is due to the heart simply

> slowing down to the poitn it no lomnger effectively can pump the blood

> volume and thus your body starts to collect fluids everywhere. I ahve

> nearly died form lwo thyroid so I cna tell you it is intensely painful

> and you have plenty of warning this is happening. Yes ot get accurate

> labs you would be fine to stay in the meds you are on now for another

> few days or a week.

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Thanks for the fast answer! You never sleep, ?

My lung symptom started before my weight started to increase. It is now a bit

heavy to breathe.

My blood values (only taken between 9 am and 3 pm, I usually wake up around

noon!) never showed I had adrenal fatigue. My cortisol was always over middle,

towards top range. However, there is stress involved with blood sample taking.

That's why I did 24 hour urine samples. They didn't show adrenal fatigue as

well. I did two 24 hour saliva tests, and they came out ok too.

However, the third 24 hour saliva test, taken in a different lab, showed I had

some level of adrenal fatigue. IF WE CAN TRUST THAT TEST. Here is the link to

that test result again: http://www.nightrangerweb.net/cortisol.pdf

Based on the symptoms I had suffered from over the past couple of years, as well

as blood pressure while sitting and after getting up (can you get changes in

blood pressure after getting up from other reasons than AF?) and finally that

last saliva test (this specialist never saw the other results prior to that last

salia test!) - I was given Hydrocortison. I was also given HC because I had that

case of Atrial Fibrillation back in January 2008. My specialist thinks, because

my FT3 was so high at the time (I was on 100 mcg T4 and 40 mcg T3, full dose,

same dose I had for years before that) of the atrial fibrillation, that T3

wasn't reaching into my cells because of ADRENAL FATIGUE.

Could it be, I'm just playing with my thoughts here, that I didn't really have

adrenal fatigue, but rather just an rT3 issue? Would FT3 be so high without

adrenal fatigue?

I started putting on weigh last year before I started with HC. I started with HC

this June, of 2009. But weight has increased after I started taking HC as well.

Is it dangerous for a person with no AF to take HC? I take 20 mg daily.

And my latest 24 hour urine sample shows a very high Free Cortisol: 390*

(reference ranges 45 to 272) - I have heard that the results can be skewed when

you are on HC, and not trusted.

What do you guys think?

>

> Yes it does sound as if oyu are gettign hypothyroid fluid reteniton and

> it can settle in your lungs. But you are a loing way form dying from it.

> High cortisl can also cause this are you certain yours is low?

>

> --

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>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

>

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Thanks for the fast answer! You never sleep, ?

My lung symptom started before my weight started to increase. It is now a bit

heavy to breathe.

My blood values (only taken between 9 am and 3 pm, I usually wake up around

noon!) never showed I had adrenal fatigue. My cortisol was always over middle,

towards top range. However, there is stress involved with blood sample taking.

That's why I did 24 hour urine samples. They didn't show adrenal fatigue as

well. I did two 24 hour saliva tests, and they came out ok too.

However, the third 24 hour saliva test, taken in a different lab, showed I had

some level of adrenal fatigue. IF WE CAN TRUST THAT TEST. Here is the link to

that test result again: http://www.nightrangerweb.net/cortisol.pdf

Based on the symptoms I had suffered from over the past couple of years, as well

as blood pressure while sitting and after getting up (can you get changes in

blood pressure after getting up from other reasons than AF?) and finally that

last saliva test (this specialist never saw the other results prior to that last

salia test!) - I was given Hydrocortison. I was also given HC because I had that

case of Atrial Fibrillation back in January 2008. My specialist thinks, because

my FT3 was so high at the time (I was on 100 mcg T4 and 40 mcg T3, full dose,

same dose I had for years before that) of the atrial fibrillation, that T3

wasn't reaching into my cells because of ADRENAL FATIGUE.

Could it be, I'm just playing with my thoughts here, that I didn't really have

adrenal fatigue, but rather just an rT3 issue? Would FT3 be so high without

adrenal fatigue?

I started putting on weigh last year before I started with HC. I started with HC

this June, of 2009. But weight has increased after I started taking HC as well.

Is it dangerous for a person with no AF to take HC? I take 20 mg daily.

And my latest 24 hour urine sample shows a very high Free Cortisol: 390*

(reference ranges 45 to 272) - I have heard that the results can be skewed when

you are on HC, and not trusted.

What do you guys think?

>

> Yes it does sound as if oyu are gettign hypothyroid fluid reteniton and

> it can settle in your lungs. But you are a loing way form dying from it.

> High cortisl can also cause this are you certain yours is low?

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the fast answer! You never sleep, ?

My lung symptom started before my weight started to increase. It is now a bit

heavy to breathe.

My blood values (only taken between 9 am and 3 pm, I usually wake up around

noon!) never showed I had adrenal fatigue. My cortisol was always over middle,

towards top range. However, there is stress involved with blood sample taking.

That's why I did 24 hour urine samples. They didn't show adrenal fatigue as

well. I did two 24 hour saliva tests, and they came out ok too.

However, the third 24 hour saliva test, taken in a different lab, showed I had

some level of adrenal fatigue. IF WE CAN TRUST THAT TEST. Here is the link to

that test result again: http://www.nightrangerweb.net/cortisol.pdf

Based on the symptoms I had suffered from over the past couple of years, as well

as blood pressure while sitting and after getting up (can you get changes in

blood pressure after getting up from other reasons than AF?) and finally that

last saliva test (this specialist never saw the other results prior to that last

salia test!) - I was given Hydrocortison. I was also given HC because I had that

case of Atrial Fibrillation back in January 2008. My specialist thinks, because

my FT3 was so high at the time (I was on 100 mcg T4 and 40 mcg T3, full dose,

same dose I had for years before that) of the atrial fibrillation, that T3

wasn't reaching into my cells because of ADRENAL FATIGUE.

Could it be, I'm just playing with my thoughts here, that I didn't really have

adrenal fatigue, but rather just an rT3 issue? Would FT3 be so high without

adrenal fatigue?

I started putting on weigh last year before I started with HC. I started with HC

this June, of 2009. But weight has increased after I started taking HC as well.

Is it dangerous for a person with no AF to take HC? I take 20 mg daily.

And my latest 24 hour urine sample shows a very high Free Cortisol: 390*

(reference ranges 45 to 272) - I have heard that the results can be skewed when

you are on HC, and not trusted.

What do you guys think?

>

> Yes it does sound as if oyu are gettign hypothyroid fluid reteniton and

> it can settle in your lungs. But you are a loing way form dying from it.

> High cortisl can also cause this are you certain yours is low?

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

>

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No???

Look at this chart:

http://thyroid.erfa.net/index.php/en/thyroid-monograph.html

(All the way down there)

It clearly says that 1/2 grain ERFA contains 0.05 mg (50 mcg) of T4!

>

> >Now I'm worried (very worried) that my cells/tissue won't get enough T3 from

having too high rT3. I currently take 100 mcg T4 total (50 mcg Synthetic T4, and

50 mcg T4 in 1/2 grain ERFA Thyroid)

>

> There is 19 in half a grain, not 50, is that a typo or are you taking

> less than you think??

>

> Nick

>

[Guest guest]

No???

Look at this chart:

http://thyroid.erfa.net/index.php/en/thyroid-monograph.html

(All the way down there)

It clearly says that 1/2 grain ERFA contains 0.05 mg (50 mcg) of T4!

>

> >Now I'm worried (very worried) that my cells/tissue won't get enough T3 from

having too high rT3. I currently take 100 mcg T4 total (50 mcg Synthetic T4, and

50 mcg T4 in 1/2 grain ERFA Thyroid)

>

> There is 19 in half a grain, not 50, is that a typo or are you taking

> less than you think??

>

> Nick

>

[Guest guest]

Ahhh, of course! Thank you SO much for clearing that up for me Nick! I feel a

bit dumb now. Hope I didn't come off too rude with that one!

Now I know! Thanks! So, actually, I'm taking 6 mcg LESS T4 now than what I took

when I was on 75 mcg Synthetic T4 daily last week. I did the switch like this:

Removed 25 mcg Synthetic T4, removed 5 mcg T3 (that was all the T3 I was taking)

and added 1/2 gain ERFA Thyroid. I am left with 50 mcg Synthetic T4 + 1/2 grain

ERFA which is 19 mcg T4, as well as 4.5 mcg of T3. Was that right?

So actually... I have not really increased my T4 dose, rather lowering it! BUT

Dessicated Thyroid also works better, so... What do you think the total am

getting right now, of the two (T4/T3), is? Compared to last week when I was on

Synthetics only?

>

> >It clearly says that 1/2 grain ERFA contains 0.05 mg (50 mcg) of T4!

>

> It says it is " equivalent to "

>

> ie the " bio-equivalance " of the T4 and T3 in it is 50mcg of " T4 ONLY "

>

> It's a " dose conversion chart " for swapping between meds.

>

> 1 grain of any of the naturals in 38 of T4 and 9 of T3.

>

> Nick

>

[Guest guest]

BTW Nick:

Does 1/2 grain contain the eq. to 50 mcg T4 PLUS 12.5 mcg T3, or is it either

the eq. of that amount of T4 OR T3? If you understand what I mean. My mind is

messing with me. Maybe I don't have a good way of logic thinking. *sigh*

>

> >It clearly says that 1/2 grain ERFA contains 0.05 mg (50 mcg) of T4!

>

> It says it is " equivalent to "

>

> ie the " bio-equivalance " of the T4 and T3 in it is 50mcg of " T4 ONLY "

>

> It's a " dose conversion chart " for swapping between meds.

>

> 1 grain of any of the naturals in 38 of T4 and 9 of T3.

>

> Nick

>

[Guest guest]

Even more confusion as I study the chart:

1 grain of ERFA Thyroid contains 100 mcg T4 and 25 mcg T3.

How can it be that " 1 grain of any of the naturals is 38 of T4 and 9 of T3 " if

this is the case? I am comparing the chart to what you say and it doesn't make

sense to me now.

>

> >It clearly says that 1/2 grain ERFA contains 0.05 mg (50 mcg) of T4!

>

> It says it is " equivalent to "

>

> ie the " bio-equivalance " of the T4 and T3 in it is 50mcg of " T4 ONLY "

>

> It's a " dose conversion chart " for swapping between meds.

>

> 1 grain of any of the naturals in 38 of T4 and 9 of T3.

>

> Nick

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for giving me the full low-down, Nick!

Yeah, I clearly have more on my mind than just rT3.

I just wonder if it's This or That doing things to me now.

I have been on a very low dose for far too long. 75 mcg T4 all

thru this year so far.

Anyway. I'll take that blood test tomorrow and tell you what

the result is. Have rT3 increased lately or not?

Thanks!

>

> >So actually... I have not really increased my T4 dose, rather lowered it! BUT

Dessicated Thyroid also works better, so... What do you think the total am

getting right now, of the two (T4/T3), is? Compared to last week when I was on

Synthetics only?

>

> You are on a very small dose.

>

> You are really in the wrong place to ask about dosing with Natural,

> this is the RT3 group and we talk about T3 only dosing to a full

> replacement dose (ie shutting down your own thyroid by giving a total

> replacement, this gets T4 out of your system and hence stops RT3 being

> made). These doses are in the order of 50 to 125mcg of T3 only.

>

> www.thyroid-rt3.com

>

> Is the summary of what goes on here

>

> There is a group dealing with Natural,

>

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormones/

>

> and there they are based on the

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

> Web site.

>

> They provide dosing and ramping suggestions for Natural such as Erfa

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/things-we-have-learned/

>

> which talks about a STARTING dose of 1 grain with no additional T4 and

> then ramping up to typically between 3 and 5 grains a day spread

> through the day.

>

> With that, as with T3 only, the prerequisites to being able to utilise

> it without adverse effects are:-

>

> Ferritin of at least 70 (measured 5 days after stopping iron

> supplements)

>

> Adrenal support if average temperatures measured like this are not

> within 0,2F or 0.1C from one day to the next

>

> http://www.drrind.com/therapies/metabolic-temperature-graph#directions

>

> (ignore the rest of what he says, just use the temperature chart and

> instructions).

>

> As you can see from these 70 of T4 and 5 of T3 is unlikely to get you

> feeling well. You need to decide which route you are going to take and

> make sure the prerequisites are in place.

>

> If T4 is not working for you why are you not going to Erfa only as a

> starting point??

>

> Feel free to keep asking questions but if they are mainly Erfa based

> then the other group will be able to help you more.

>

> Good luck

>

> Nick

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for giving me the full low-down, Nick!

Yeah, I clearly have more on my mind than just rT3.

I just wonder if it's This or That doing things to me now.

I have been on a very low dose for far too long. 75 mcg T4 all

thru this year so far.

Anyway. I'll take that blood test tomorrow and tell you what

the result is. Have rT3 increased lately or not?

Thanks!

>

> >So actually... I have not really increased my T4 dose, rather lowered it! BUT

Dessicated Thyroid also works better, so... What do you think the total am

getting right now, of the two (T4/T3), is? Compared to last week when I was on

Synthetics only?

>

> You are on a very small dose.

>

> You are really in the wrong place to ask about dosing with Natural,

> this is the RT3 group and we talk about T3 only dosing to a full

> replacement dose (ie shutting down your own thyroid by giving a total

> replacement, this gets T4 out of your system and hence stops RT3 being

> made). These doses are in the order of 50 to 125mcg of T3 only.

>

> www.thyroid-rt3.com

>

> Is the summary of what goes on here

>

> There is a group dealing with Natural,

>

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormones/

>

> and there they are based on the

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

> Web site.

>

> They provide dosing and ramping suggestions for Natural such as Erfa

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/things-we-have-learned/

>

> which talks about a STARTING dose of 1 grain with no additional T4 and

> then ramping up to typically between 3 and 5 grains a day spread

> through the day.

>

> With that, as with T3 only, the prerequisites to being able to utilise

> it without adverse effects are:-

>

> Ferritin of at least 70 (measured 5 days after stopping iron

> supplements)

>

> Adrenal support if average temperatures measured like this are not

> within 0,2F or 0.1C from one day to the next

>

> http://www.drrind.com/therapies/metabolic-temperature-graph#directions

>

> (ignore the rest of what he says, just use the temperature chart and

> instructions).

>

> As you can see from these 70 of T4 and 5 of T3 is unlikely to get you

> feeling well. You need to decide which route you are going to take and

> make sure the prerequisites are in place.

>

> If T4 is not working for you why are you not going to Erfa only as a

> starting point??

>

> Feel free to keep asking questions but if they are mainly Erfa based

> then the other group will be able to help you more.

>

> Good luck

>

> Nick

>

[Guest guest]

Nick is very kind. So are you! I think I'm finally getting it! It's all about

math! Thanks a lot!

So the symptoms, and my " latest " symptom, a weird feeling in my heart every 10th

second (like a brief, soft squeeze around it), can be because it's

(cells/tissue) not getting enough T3 into the cells either from having an

rT3-probelm OR not getting enough medication, simply?

I've had many weird symptoms from my heart in the past 2 years or so. Like,

vibration of different kinds, weird feelings, pain sometimes, pressure, or the

feeling that something is " stuck " inside the heart... These are low T3-symptoms?

>

> It is SUPPOSEDLY equal 1 grian ERFA to EITHER 100mcg T4 or 25mcg T3 one

> or the other NOT both. COnversion charts are notoriously inaccurate as

> thye cannto predict HOW your body converts T4. Whta Nick is telling oyu

> is what oit ACTUALLY contains not a conversion.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

>

[Guest guest]

Nick,

From the STTM site:

" How to switch: When making a switch to desiccated thyroid, we have found two

successful strategies when we work with our doctors: one, to take our last dose

of T4 (aka Synthroid, Levoxyl, Levothyroxine, etc) one day, and start on

desiccated thyroid like Naturethroid, etc the next, as explained below. The

owner of this site did it that way while working with her doctor. Or two, a

patient can lower their T4 dose in half, and start on desiccated thyroid. But it

will be important to continue lowering the T4 with each raise of desiccated

thyroid to prevent an excess of T4. Desiccated thyroid like Naturethroid is 80%

T4 anyway! "

So I guess my specialist is doing what is described in the latter example. For

every raise of ERFA, we lover my synthetic T4-intake.

But we did start with 1/2 grain, which I understand is not normal.

Ok, I think I have been accepted in the Natural Thyroid group so I

will continue with this over there.

I will, however, get back here asap with my latest rT3-lab results,

do the calculation of the rati between rT3 and FT3 (or T3) and

see what's gonna happen next.

By the way, how long does it take before rT3 goes up after increasing T4-meds

intake? I haven't really increased my T4 now anyway, but dessicated thyroid is

more bio-available, like 20-30% from what I've read, so maybe I have more T4 in

my now anyway?

I am trying to figure out if rT3 can be the main culprit in my recent years. Can

rT3 increase WITHOUT adrenal fatigue? So I've heard... I did have many symptoms

(stress, shaking hands, etc.) from getting AF in May 2007, so I wonder if AF

might have given me higher rT3 from getting that first burst of high cortisol,

before AF kicks in and gave me lower cortisol later.

The endocrine system is SO complicated.

Thanks!

.

[Guest guest]

Yeah. Missing beats have been very common, every day, at least once or twice,

sometimes weakly, sometimes it just says POW and feels like I'm being hit by

someone in the chest. My heart-issues started in May 2007, but got worse after

my meds were lowered in February 2008.

In January 2008, can you imagine that I did the mistake of going to the " BEST "

endocrinology dept. in all of Norway, and what they did was to look at my blood

samples from 1997 (before I got T4-meds at all, when I was 230+ lbs) and just

repeated to me what they said to me back then: " You are NOT Hypothyroid. Your

blood samples are normal. " then they said " Get off the T4/T3 meds that some

crazy doctor has given you, and you will be perfectly healthy! You're just

poisoned by meds now! That's why you got Atrial Fibrillation recently " .

Well they were right that I needed to cut down on my T3, because my FT3 was

sky-high. But in reality is was probably Adrenal Fatigue that gave me high FT3,

and maybe even rT3 that made T3 getting blocked from entering my cells.

It has now been almost 2 years since I went to the " BEST " place for Hypothyroid

people in Norway. And look at me now. WHAT A JOKE!!!

I can't believe that most doctors and even specialists don't believe in

Hypothyroidism Type 2, nor rT3-problems, or even adrean fatigue!!!

This is a world-wide problem! I was lucky to find a specialist in my neighbor

country (!) that believes in all of the above! She is now saving my life. I

could've very well died from " trusting and believing " those ignorant

endocrinologists any further.

>

> >So the symptoms, and my " latest " symptom, a weird feeling in my heart every

10th second (like a brief, soft squeeze around it), can be because it's

(cells/tissue) not getting enough T3 into the cells either from having an

rT3-probelm OR not getting enough medication, simply?

>

> I have that with a " missing beat " if meds are off a little.

> >

> >I've had many weird symptoms from my heart in the past 2 years or so. Like,

vibration of different kinds, weird feelings, pain sometimes, pressure, or the

feeling that something is " stuck " inside the heart... These are low T3-symptoms?

>

> Sounds like most things are under medication with you

>

> Nick

>