Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 I'm pleading the Fifth Amendment, but I'll just say that I know of at least one hospital-based system fitting that criteria. Re: Wise County info > > > > Doc (AKA ), > > As you said this is not necessarily a " bad thing " but has anyone ever > studied the ethical aspects of this issue? Has any entity ever been accused > or > whatever of doing things in ways that are not in the best interest of the > patients but rather in the best interest of the bottom line? > > Not anecdotal mind you but proven either via empirical data or by some form > > of litigation proving such an allegation? > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI > LNMolino@... > (Office) > (Cell Phone) > (Office Fax) > > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " > > The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and > the > author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or > organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with > unless I > specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only > for its > stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials > retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by > the > original author. > > _____ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 -- " Don Elbert " wrote: Wes - Whoever is appointed - if they do not understand our business - I'll go out on a limb and say it makes for trouble (pretty strong limb). The natural answer is to hire those who do. It sure doesn't matter what type of service it is. Fairly simple. It could be someone who's previous experience was running horse shows... :-( " Service is love made visible. Friendship is love made personal. Kindness is love made tangible. Giving is love made believable " - Anonymous Larry in Houston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 -- " Don Elbert " wrote: Wes - Whoever is appointed - if they do not understand our business - I'll go out on a limb and say it makes for trouble (pretty strong limb). The natural answer is to hire those who do. It sure doesn't matter what type of service it is. Fairly simple. It could be someone who's previous experience was running horse shows... :-( " Service is love made visible. Friendship is love made personal. Kindness is love made tangible. Giving is love made believable " - Anonymous Larry in Houston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 -- " Don Elbert " wrote: Wes - Whoever is appointed - if they do not understand our business - I'll go out on a limb and say it makes for trouble (pretty strong limb). The natural answer is to hire those who do. It sure doesn't matter what type of service it is. Fairly simple. It could be someone who's previous experience was running horse shows... :-( " Service is love made visible. Friendship is love made personal. Kindness is love made tangible. Giving is love made believable " - Anonymous Larry in Houston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 No idea what's wrong. That's my email address. -Wes Re: Wise County info Wes, I am trying to email something private to you and keep getting the following when I send you email to the aol.com email address. The message could not be sent because one of the recipients was rejected by the server. The rejected e-mail address was 'ExLngHrn@...'. Subject 'Re: Wise County info', Account: 'mail.granitesolution.com', Server: 'mail.granitesolution.com', Protocol: SMTP, Server Response: '550 5.7.1 ... Relaying denied', Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No, Server Error: 550, Error Number: 0x800CCC79 Ed Re: Wise County info >> >> >> >> Doc (AKA ), >> >> As you said this is not necessarily a " bad thing " but has anyone ever >> studied the ethical aspects of this issue? Has any entity ever been >> accused >> or >> whatever of doing things in ways that are not in the best interest of the >> patients but rather in the best interest of the bottom line? >> >> Not anecdotal mind you but proven either via empirical data or by some >> form >> >> of litigation proving such an allegation? >> >> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET >> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI >> LNMolino@... >> (Office) >> (Cell Phone) >> (Office Fax) >> >> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " >> >> The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and >> the >> author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or >> organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with >> unless I >> specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended >> only >> for its >> stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials >> retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain >> by >> the >> original author. >> >> _____ >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 No idea what's wrong. That's my email address. -Wes Re: Wise County info Wes, I am trying to email something private to you and keep getting the following when I send you email to the aol.com email address. The message could not be sent because one of the recipients was rejected by the server. The rejected e-mail address was 'ExLngHrn@...'. Subject 'Re: Wise County info', Account: 'mail.granitesolution.com', Server: 'mail.granitesolution.com', Protocol: SMTP, Server Response: '550 5.7.1 ... Relaying denied', Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No, Server Error: 550, Error Number: 0x800CCC79 Ed Re: Wise County info >> >> >> >> Doc (AKA ), >> >> As you said this is not necessarily a " bad thing " but has anyone ever >> studied the ethical aspects of this issue? Has any entity ever been >> accused >> or >> whatever of doing things in ways that are not in the best interest of the >> patients but rather in the best interest of the bottom line? >> >> Not anecdotal mind you but proven either via empirical data or by some >> form >> >> of litigation proving such an allegation? >> >> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET >> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI >> LNMolino@... >> (Office) >> (Cell Phone) >> (Office Fax) >> >> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " >> >> The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and >> the >> author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or >> organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with >> unless I >> specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended >> only >> for its >> stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials >> retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain >> by >> the >> original author. >> >> _____ >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Ed - This is an error generated by your server - see the bounce. Server: mail.granitesolution.com believes you are " relaying, " in other words, that you don't have permission to use that server (though by your email address that's not true) to send mail from wherever you're sending from to anywhere else. It's not a problem on wes's end, it's a problem on your end. Contact the admin for mail.granitesolutions.com and tell them you're getting a relay error - they should know what to change on the server (or your client) to fix it. Mike > Wes, > > I am trying to email something private to you and keep getting the following > when I send you email to the aol.com email address. > > The message could not be sent because one of the recipients was rejected by > the server. The rejected e-mail address was 'ExLngHrn@...'. Subject 'Re: > Wise County info', Account: 'mail.granitesolution.com', Server: > 'mail.granitesolution.com', Protocol: SMTP, Server Response: '550 5.7.1 > ... Relaying denied', Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No, Server > Error: 550, Error Number: 0x800CCC79 > > Ed > Re: Wise County info > >> > >> > >> > >> Doc (AKA ), > >> > >> As you said this is not necessarily a " bad thing " but has anyone ever > >> studied the ethical aspects of this issue? Has any entity ever been > >> accused > >> or > >> whatever of doing things in ways that are not in the best interest of the > >> patients but rather in the best interest of the bottom line? > >> > >> Not anecdotal mind you but proven either via empirical data or by some > >> form > >> > >> of litigation proving such an allegation? > >> > >> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET > >> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI > >> LNMolino@... > >> (Office) > >> (Cell Phone) > >> (Office Fax) > >> > >> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " > >> > >> The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and > >> the > >> author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or > >> organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with > >> unless I > >> specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended > >> only > >> for its > >> stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials > >> retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain > >> by > >> the > >> original author. > >> > >> _____ > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Ed - This is an error generated by your server - see the bounce. Server: mail.granitesolution.com believes you are " relaying, " in other words, that you don't have permission to use that server (though by your email address that's not true) to send mail from wherever you're sending from to anywhere else. It's not a problem on wes's end, it's a problem on your end. Contact the admin for mail.granitesolutions.com and tell them you're getting a relay error - they should know what to change on the server (or your client) to fix it. Mike > Wes, > > I am trying to email something private to you and keep getting the following > when I send you email to the aol.com email address. > > The message could not be sent because one of the recipients was rejected by > the server. The rejected e-mail address was 'ExLngHrn@...'. Subject 'Re: > Wise County info', Account: 'mail.granitesolution.com', Server: > 'mail.granitesolution.com', Protocol: SMTP, Server Response: '550 5.7.1 > ... Relaying denied', Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No, Server > Error: 550, Error Number: 0x800CCC79 > > Ed > Re: Wise County info > >> > >> > >> > >> Doc (AKA ), > >> > >> As you said this is not necessarily a " bad thing " but has anyone ever > >> studied the ethical aspects of this issue? Has any entity ever been > >> accused > >> or > >> whatever of doing things in ways that are not in the best interest of the > >> patients but rather in the best interest of the bottom line? > >> > >> Not anecdotal mind you but proven either via empirical data or by some > >> form > >> > >> of litigation proving such an allegation? > >> > >> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET > >> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI > >> LNMolino@... > >> (Office) > >> (Cell Phone) > >> (Office Fax) > >> > >> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " > >> > >> The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and > >> the > >> author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or > >> organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with > >> unless I > >> specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended > >> only > >> for its > >> stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials > >> retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain > >> by > >> the > >> original author. > >> > >> _____ > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Wise County has had either a combination hospital/county runs system or a county run system since the mid-late 70's. The care there has always been above the SOC. Good, long-term medics. So my question is this: What has changed so much that it is causing them to look at other options. There are two old adages that apply to this situation; " If you put money, ego's and EMS together, the patient looses " and " You get what you pay for " . Just my 2 cents Lee Re: Wise County info Wes, I am trying to email something private to you and keep getting the following when I send you email to the aol.com email address. The message could not be sent because one of the recipients was rejected by the server. The rejected e-mail address was 'ExLngHrn@...'. Subject 'Re: Wise County info', Account: 'mail.granitesolution.com', Server: 'mail.granitesolution.com', Protocol: SMTP, Server Response: '550 5.7.1 ... Relaying denied', Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No, Server Error: 550, Error Number: 0x800CCC79 Ed Re: Wise County info >> >> >> >> Doc (AKA ), >> >> As you said this is not necessarily a " bad thing " but has anyone ever >> studied the ethical aspects of this issue? Has any entity ever been >> accused >> or >> whatever of doing things in ways that are not in the best interest of the >> patients but rather in the best interest of the bottom line? >> >> Not anecdotal mind you but proven either via empirical data or by some >> form >> >> of litigation proving such an allegation? >> >> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET >> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI >> LNMolino@... >> (Office) >> (Cell Phone) >> (Office Fax) >> >> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " >> >> The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and >> the >> author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or >> organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with >> unless I >> specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended >> only >> for its >> stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials >> retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain >> by >> the >> original author. >> >> _____ >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Mike, I was with you until you hit the civil service button. Believe me, I was at one time in favor of civil service. As a matter of fact I became a EMS provider vs a Fireman provider when they took all of the medics out of the fire department and made them a seperate city service to break the union numbers right before a civil servie vote. I have found that hard honest work and hard justification has taken me and my employees as far as civil service could have. Henry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Mike, I was with you until you hit the civil service button. Believe me, I was at one time in favor of civil service. As a matter of fact I became a EMS provider vs a Fireman provider when they took all of the medics out of the fire department and made them a seperate city service to break the union numbers right before a civil servie vote. I have found that hard honest work and hard justification has taken me and my employees as far as civil service could have. Henry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Mike, I was with you until you hit the civil service button. Believe me, I was at one time in favor of civil service. As a matter of fact I became a EMS provider vs a Fireman provider when they took all of the medics out of the fire department and made them a seperate city service to break the union numbers right before a civil servie vote. I have found that hard honest work and hard justification has taken me and my employees as far as civil service could have. Henry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 > Mike, > > I was with you until you hit the civil service button. Believe me, I was at one time > in favor of civil service. As a matter of fact I became a EMS provider vs a Fireman > provider when they took all of the medics out of the fire department and made them a > seperate city service to break the union numbers right before a civil servie vote. I > have found that hard honest work and hard justification has taken me and my employees > as far as civil service could have. Each person has his own experiences. Civil Service isn't a must-have, but for many public safety professionals it has been a career-saver when faced with those difficult, unexpected situations that come up, require a judgement call and someone " above their pay grade " disagrees with the judgement or outcome. Cities and counties still villify it as a way for the lazy to stay employed, or as a way to cover up workplace mistakes, or to avoid ever getting fired - but that's not the case. Civil Service commissions are responsible to the public they serve and the elected officials that appoint them - they provide a buffer in which a public safety worker can have a shot at getting a fairer deal. If your service has a great reputation and repoire with your local voters and elected officials, and can provide them the " personal touch " that maintains that relationship, civil service probably isn't needed. If, on the other hand, it's a constant battle, civil service can help stabilize the foundation, so to speak, and level out the playing field. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 > Mike, > > I was with you until you hit the civil service button. Believe me, I was at one time > in favor of civil service. As a matter of fact I became a EMS provider vs a Fireman > provider when they took all of the medics out of the fire department and made them a > seperate city service to break the union numbers right before a civil servie vote. I > have found that hard honest work and hard justification has taken me and my employees > as far as civil service could have. Each person has his own experiences. Civil Service isn't a must-have, but for many public safety professionals it has been a career-saver when faced with those difficult, unexpected situations that come up, require a judgement call and someone " above their pay grade " disagrees with the judgement or outcome. Cities and counties still villify it as a way for the lazy to stay employed, or as a way to cover up workplace mistakes, or to avoid ever getting fired - but that's not the case. Civil Service commissions are responsible to the public they serve and the elected officials that appoint them - they provide a buffer in which a public safety worker can have a shot at getting a fairer deal. If your service has a great reputation and repoire with your local voters and elected officials, and can provide them the " personal touch " that maintains that relationship, civil service probably isn't needed. If, on the other hand, it's a constant battle, civil service can help stabilize the foundation, so to speak, and level out the playing field. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 > Mike, > > I was with you until you hit the civil service button. Believe me, I was at one time > in favor of civil service. As a matter of fact I became a EMS provider vs a Fireman > provider when they took all of the medics out of the fire department and made them a > seperate city service to break the union numbers right before a civil servie vote. I > have found that hard honest work and hard justification has taken me and my employees > as far as civil service could have. Each person has his own experiences. Civil Service isn't a must-have, but for many public safety professionals it has been a career-saver when faced with those difficult, unexpected situations that come up, require a judgement call and someone " above their pay grade " disagrees with the judgement or outcome. Cities and counties still villify it as a way for the lazy to stay employed, or as a way to cover up workplace mistakes, or to avoid ever getting fired - but that's not the case. Civil Service commissions are responsible to the public they serve and the elected officials that appoint them - they provide a buffer in which a public safety worker can have a shot at getting a fairer deal. If your service has a great reputation and repoire with your local voters and elected officials, and can provide them the " personal touch " that maintains that relationship, civil service probably isn't needed. If, on the other hand, it's a constant battle, civil service can help stabilize the foundation, so to speak, and level out the playing field. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 It sounds to me like you would like Careflite to take over Wise Co so you could shorten your drive to work and show the people of Wise County what the Care in Careflite means. Also, I fail to see how your comments have put it all " in perspective " . Ken jple928228@... wrote: Wise County EMS and supporters, in my opinion, are not putting into perspective the whole outlook on Careflite taking over the EMS contract in Wise County. I have read the messenger since day one and have mostly laughed at all that was written in the opinion columns. I really would like to know if they truly believe that Careflite would take over a contract at midnight with a crew of people that had no clue how to get around in Wise county? I think some common sense needs to be used and realize that Careflite could not even begin to run in Wise County without hiring and utilizing the existing crews that qualify to work as Careflite personnel. I am not in any way stating that Wise County EMS is better or worse than any EMS in the state of Texas but I would really like to know how they can compare protocols with another service when they have never seen the other services protocols. I will continue to read the Messenger and see how many people of the county run Careflite into the ground without even knowing what Careflite is about. I live in a County just Northwest of Wise and I obviously work for Careflite in Dallas and I have to say that every job has its ups and downs but Careflite as a whole is a great company to work for. I do not know what will happen with Wise County but I will say that if Careflite takes over they will be in just as good of hands if not better than what the County has now because it will still be the same crews that they are used to seeing with maybe a few people that would love to come to Wise County and show them why Care is the first part of Careflite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Putting all the e-mails together, it sounds like an RFP is going out. With that in mind, the WINNER would take over the contract, and that isn't necessarily Careflite. It could very well end up being " Bob's " EMS, or some other here-today, gone-tomorrow provider. I pray that Wise County will look at more than just the bottom dollar. Mike Re: Wise County info It sounds to me like you would like Careflite to take over Wise Co so you could shorten your drive to work and show the people of Wise County what the Care in Careflite means. Also, I fail to see how your comments have put it all " in perspective " . Ken jple928228@... wrote: Wise County EMS and supporters, in my opinion, are not putting into perspective the whole outlook on Careflite taking over the EMS contract in Wise County. I have read the messenger since day one and have mostly laughed at all that was written in the opinion columns. I really would like to know if they truly believe that Careflite would take over a contract at midnight with a crew of people that had no clue how to get around in Wise county? I think some common sense needs to be used and realize that Careflite could not even begin to run in Wise County without hiring and utilizing the existing crews that qualify to work as Careflite personnel. I am not in any way stating that Wise County EMS is better or worse than any EMS in the state of Texas but I would really like to know how they can compare protocols with another service when they have never seen the other services protocols. I will continue to read the Messenger and see how many people of the county run Careflite into the ground without even knowing what Careflite is about. I live in a County just Northwest of Wise and I obviously work for Careflite in Dallas and I have to say that every job has its ups and downs but Careflite as a whole is a great company to work for. I do not know what will happen with Wise County but I will say that if Careflite takes over they will be in just as good of hands if not better than what the County has now because it will still be the same crews that they are used to seeing with maybe a few people that would love to come to Wise County and show them why Care is the first part of Careflite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 One also wonders if the county will compare the proposals with the current service levels and costs of Wise County EMS. On a cynical note, I've noticed that many (but not all) private contracts follow this route... 1) Private service claims they can do the job at a lesser cost. Elected officials fail to establish a public EMS system or dismember the current public EMS agency. 2) Private service claims unexpected costs are making the service economically unviable. Elected officials are faced with increasing the subsidy or cancelling the contract. Subsidy increased. 3) Private service repeats step #2 until a) contract expires and they don't rebid. the government agency cancels the contract. c) investigations into the billing and/or patient care provided by private service. d) private service pulls out and assigns the contract to a different private service. 4) Typically, most government bodies repeat this cycle with a new vendor. -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT Austin, Texas Assistant Deputy Chief Cynic Re: Wise County info It sounds to me like you would like Careflite to take over Wise Co so you could shorten your drive to work and show the people of Wise County what the Care in Careflite means. Also, I fail to see how your comments have put it all " in perspective " . Ken jple928228@... wrote: Wise County EMS and supporters, in my opinion, are not putting into perspective the whole outlook on Careflite taking over the EMS contract in Wise County. I have read the messenger since day one and have mostly laughed at all that was written in the opinion columns. I really would like to know if they truly believe that Careflite would take over a contract at midnight with a crew of people that had no clue how to get around in Wise county? I think some common sense needs to be used and realize that Careflite could not even begin to run in Wise County without hiring and utilizing the existing crews that qualify to work as Careflite personnel. I am not in any way stating that Wise County EMS is better or worse than any EMS in the state of Texas but I would really like to know how they can compare protocols with another service when they have never seen the other services protocols. I will continue to read the Messenger and see how many people of the county run Careflite into the ground without even knowing what Careflite is about. I live in a County just Northwest of Wise and I obviously work for Careflite in Dallas and I have to say that every job has its ups and downs but Careflite as a whole is a great company to work for. I do not know what will happen with Wise County but I will say that if Careflite takes over they will be in just as good of hands if not better than what the County has now because it will still be the same crews that they are used to seeing with maybe a few people that would love to come to Wise County and show them why Care is the first part of Careflite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 One also wonders if the county will compare the proposals with the current service levels and costs of Wise County EMS. On a cynical note, I've noticed that many (but not all) private contracts follow this route... 1) Private service claims they can do the job at a lesser cost. Elected officials fail to establish a public EMS system or dismember the current public EMS agency. 2) Private service claims unexpected costs are making the service economically unviable. Elected officials are faced with increasing the subsidy or cancelling the contract. Subsidy increased. 3) Private service repeats step #2 until a) contract expires and they don't rebid. the government agency cancels the contract. c) investigations into the billing and/or patient care provided by private service. d) private service pulls out and assigns the contract to a different private service. 4) Typically, most government bodies repeat this cycle with a new vendor. -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, EMT Austin, Texas Assistant Deputy Chief Cynic Re: Wise County info It sounds to me like you would like Careflite to take over Wise Co so you could shorten your drive to work and show the people of Wise County what the Care in Careflite means. Also, I fail to see how your comments have put it all " in perspective " . Ken jple928228@... wrote: Wise County EMS and supporters, in my opinion, are not putting into perspective the whole outlook on Careflite taking over the EMS contract in Wise County. I have read the messenger since day one and have mostly laughed at all that was written in the opinion columns. I really would like to know if they truly believe that Careflite would take over a contract at midnight with a crew of people that had no clue how to get around in Wise county? I think some common sense needs to be used and realize that Careflite could not even begin to run in Wise County without hiring and utilizing the existing crews that qualify to work as Careflite personnel. I am not in any way stating that Wise County EMS is better or worse than any EMS in the state of Texas but I would really like to know how they can compare protocols with another service when they have never seen the other services protocols. I will continue to read the Messenger and see how many people of the county run Careflite into the ground without even knowing what Careflite is about. I live in a County just Northwest of Wise and I obviously work for Careflite in Dallas and I have to say that every job has its ups and downs but Careflite as a whole is a great company to work for. I do not know what will happen with Wise County but I will say that if Careflite takes over they will be in just as good of hands if not better than what the County has now because it will still be the same crews that they are used to seeing with maybe a few people that would love to come to Wise County and show them why Care is the first part of Careflite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 I see what you're saying Wes, but I tend to disagree somewhat. I think private EMS can work. But the lower bidder concent has never been one that works. Not for EMS, not for tiolet seats, not for anything. Having managed a private service through a bid process I'll say to you what I said to the county judge. If 5 other counties of your size are paying 500k in subsidy and provider X says they can do it for 75k, be very leary, because you get what u pay for, and provider x will be back next year asking for more. ' Mike Re: Wise County info It sounds to me like you would like Careflite to take over Wise Co so you could shorten your drive to work and show the people of Wise County what the Care in Careflite means. Also, I fail to see how your comments have put it all " in perspective " . Ken jple928228@... wrote: Wise County EMS and supporters, in my opinion, are not putting into perspective the whole outlook on Careflite taking over the EMS contract in Wise County. I have read the messenger since day one and have mostly laughed at all that was written in the opinion columns. I really would like to know if they truly believe that Careflite would take over a contract at midnight with a crew of people that had no clue how to get around in Wise county? I think some common sense needs to be used and realize that Careflite could not even begin to run in Wise County without hiring and utilizing the existing crews that qualify to work as Careflite personnel. I am not in any way stating that Wise County EMS is better or worse than any EMS in the state of Texas but I would really like to know how they can compare protocols with another service when they have never seen the other services protocols. I will continue to read the Messenger and see how many people of the county run Careflite into the ground without even knowing what Careflite is about. I live in a County just Northwest of Wise and I obviously work for Careflite in Dallas and I have to say that every job has its ups and downs but Careflite as a whole is a great company to work for. I do not know what will happen with Wise County but I will say that if Careflite takes over they will be in just as good of hands if not better than what the County has now because it will still be the same crews that they are used to seeing with maybe a few people that would love to come to Wise County and show them why Care is the first part of Careflite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 I see what you're saying Wes, but I tend to disagree somewhat. I think private EMS can work. But the lower bidder concent has never been one that works. Not for EMS, not for tiolet seats, not for anything. Having managed a private service through a bid process I'll say to you what I said to the county judge. If 5 other counties of your size are paying 500k in subsidy and provider X says they can do it for 75k, be very leary, because you get what u pay for, and provider x will be back next year asking for more. ' Mike Re: Wise County info It sounds to me like you would like Careflite to take over Wise Co so you could shorten your drive to work and show the people of Wise County what the Care in Careflite means. Also, I fail to see how your comments have put it all " in perspective " . Ken jple928228@... wrote: Wise County EMS and supporters, in my opinion, are not putting into perspective the whole outlook on Careflite taking over the EMS contract in Wise County. I have read the messenger since day one and have mostly laughed at all that was written in the opinion columns. I really would like to know if they truly believe that Careflite would take over a contract at midnight with a crew of people that had no clue how to get around in Wise county? I think some common sense needs to be used and realize that Careflite could not even begin to run in Wise County without hiring and utilizing the existing crews that qualify to work as Careflite personnel. I am not in any way stating that Wise County EMS is better or worse than any EMS in the state of Texas but I would really like to know how they can compare protocols with another service when they have never seen the other services protocols. I will continue to read the Messenger and see how many people of the county run Careflite into the ground without even knowing what Careflite is about. I live in a County just Northwest of Wise and I obviously work for Careflite in Dallas and I have to say that every job has its ups and downs but Careflite as a whole is a great company to work for. I do not know what will happen with Wise County but I will say that if Careflite takes over they will be in just as good of hands if not better than what the County has now because it will still be the same crews that they are used to seeing with maybe a few people that would love to come to Wise County and show them why Care is the first part of Careflite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Mike -- having worked as an attorney dealing with government contracting, I can tell you that the real trick is in how the city/county bids the contract. Look at the evaluation criteria. As price becomes weighted more and more in the criteria, you'll see the model I'm talking about. If the county/city looks at the bidders' proposals in whole and developed a good RFP to begin with, you'll see less of the problem. The solution -- talk to the city/county attorney for advice. (Did you expect anything different from me?) That is, presuming the attorney has any knowledge of procurement law and policy -Wes Re: Wise County info It sounds to me like you would like Careflite to take over Wise Co so you could shorten your drive to work and show the people of Wise County what the Care in Careflite means. Also, I fail to see how your comments have put it all " in perspective " . Ken jple928228@... wrote: Wise County EMS and supporters, in my opinion, are not putting into perspective the whole outlook on Careflite taking over the EMS contract in Wise County. I have read the messenger since day one and have mostly laughed at all that was written in the opinion columns. I really would like to know if they truly believe that Careflite would take over a contract at midnight with a crew of people that had no clue how to get around in Wise county? I think some common sense needs to be used and realize that Careflite could not even begin to run in Wise County without hiring and utilizing the existing crews that qualify to work as Careflite personnel. I am not in any way stating that Wise County EMS is better or worse than any EMS in the state of Texas but I would really like to know how they can compare protocols with another service when they have never seen the other services protocols. I will continue to read the Messenger and see how many people of the county run Careflite into the ground without even knowing what Careflite is about. I live in a County just Northwest of Wise and I obviously work for Careflite in Dallas and I have to say that every job has its ups and downs but Careflite as a whole is a great company to work for. I do not know what will happen with Wise County but I will say that if Careflite takes over they will be in just as good of hands if not better than what the County has now because it will still be the same crews that they are used to seeing with maybe a few people that would love to come to Wise County and show them why Care is the first part of Careflite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 For those too young to remember, this is not the first 911 contracts that CF has had since its creation in 1979. They had County, Rockwall County and Grand Prairie at one time or another in the early to mid 80's. The reason they got out was because at that time the contracts in those areas were not economically feasible. I know that over the past couple of years there has been a great deal of internal conflict at CF. I have not heard anything good or bad about the County operations but I think you need to compare apples to apples when you are looking at the difference between a public service and a private service. Not all is as it appears on the surface. Lee Re: Wise County info It sounds to me like you would like Careflite to take over Wise Co so you could shorten your drive to work and show the people of Wise County what the Care in Careflite means. Also, I fail to see how your comments have put it all " in perspective " . Ken jple928228@... wrote: Wise County EMS and supporters, in my opinion, are not putting into perspective the whole outlook on Careflite taking over the EMS contract in Wise County. I have read the messenger since day one and have mostly laughed at all that was written in the opinion columns. I really would like to know if they truly believe that Careflite would take over a contract at midnight with a crew of people that had no clue how to get around in Wise county? I think some common sense needs to be used and realize that Careflite could not even begin to run in Wise County without hiring and utilizing the existing crews that qualify to work as Careflite personnel. I am not in any way stating that Wise County EMS is better or worse than any EMS in the state of Texas but I would really like to know how they can compare protocols with another service when they have never seen the other services protocols. I will continue to read the Messenger and see how many people of the county run Careflite into the ground without even knowing what Careflite is about. I live in a County just Northwest of Wise and I obviously work for Careflite in Dallas and I have to say that every job has its ups and downs but Careflite as a whole is a great company to work for. I do not know what will happen with Wise County but I will say that if Careflite takes over they will be in just as good of hands if not better than what the County has now because it will still be the same crews that they are used to seeing with maybe a few people that would love to come to Wise County and show them why Care is the first part of Careflite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 For those too young to remember, this is not the first 911 contracts that CF has had since its creation in 1979. They had County, Rockwall County and Grand Prairie at one time or another in the early to mid 80's. The reason they got out was because at that time the contracts in those areas were not economically feasible. I know that over the past couple of years there has been a great deal of internal conflict at CF. I have not heard anything good or bad about the County operations but I think you need to compare apples to apples when you are looking at the difference between a public service and a private service. Not all is as it appears on the surface. Lee Re: Wise County info It sounds to me like you would like Careflite to take over Wise Co so you could shorten your drive to work and show the people of Wise County what the Care in Careflite means. Also, I fail to see how your comments have put it all " in perspective " . Ken jple928228@... wrote: Wise County EMS and supporters, in my opinion, are not putting into perspective the whole outlook on Careflite taking over the EMS contract in Wise County. I have read the messenger since day one and have mostly laughed at all that was written in the opinion columns. I really would like to know if they truly believe that Careflite would take over a contract at midnight with a crew of people that had no clue how to get around in Wise county? I think some common sense needs to be used and realize that Careflite could not even begin to run in Wise County without hiring and utilizing the existing crews that qualify to work as Careflite personnel. I am not in any way stating that Wise County EMS is better or worse than any EMS in the state of Texas but I would really like to know how they can compare protocols with another service when they have never seen the other services protocols. I will continue to read the Messenger and see how many people of the county run Careflite into the ground without even knowing what Careflite is about. I live in a County just Northwest of Wise and I obviously work for Careflite in Dallas and I have to say that every job has its ups and downs but Careflite as a whole is a great company to work for. I do not know what will happen with Wise County but I will say that if Careflite takes over they will be in just as good of hands if not better than what the County has now because it will still be the same crews that they are used to seeing with maybe a few people that would love to come to Wise County and show them why Care is the first part of Careflite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 In my limited experiences, most county attorneys have NO idea how to bid an EMS contract, and smaller communities will NOT pay for a good consultant. It's a shame. Mike Re: Wise County info It sounds to me like you would like Careflite to take over Wise Co so you could shorten your drive to work and show the people of Wise County what the Care in Careflite means. Also, I fail to see how your comments have put it all " in perspective " . Ken jple928228@... wrote: Wise County EMS and supporters, in my opinion, are not putting into perspective the whole outlook on Careflite taking over the EMS contract in Wise County. I have read the messenger since day one and have mostly laughed at all that was written in the opinion columns. I really would like to know if they truly believe that Careflite would take over a contract at midnight with a crew of people that had no clue how to get around in Wise county? I think some common sense needs to be used and realize that Careflite could not even begin to run in Wise County without hiring and utilizing the existing crews that qualify to work as Careflite personnel. I am not in any way stating that Wise County EMS is better or worse than any EMS in the state of Texas but I would really like to know how they can compare protocols with another service when they have never seen the other services protocols. I will continue to read the Messenger and see how many people of the county run Careflite into the ground without even knowing what Careflite is about. I live in a County just Northwest of Wise and I obviously work for Careflite in Dallas and I have to say that every job has its ups and downs but Careflite as a whole is a great company to work for. I do not know what will happen with Wise County but I will say that if Careflite takes over they will be in just as good of hands if not better than what the County has now because it will still be the same crews that they are used to seeing with maybe a few people that would love to come to Wise County and show them why Care is the first part of Careflite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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