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Hi ,

Yes I was warned about infection following dental treatment as there is more

risk involved than any other normal procedure. The danger is that of picking up

an infection and it transfering to the weakest part of your body - your hip at

this moment in time. As your operation was of UK origin there are a few facts

that may settle your mind - of 4455 operations there were only 4 infections in a

4 year period that were classified as a revision. A revision means an in

hospital visit to have remedial work. At best to be drip fed a strong

antibiotic and at worst all the metal removed for a period of up to 6 months

(this is rare). Of the 4 infections I mentioned above, it should be recognised

that not all are of dental origin.

To see were the data comes from please view

http://www.ncchta.org/fullmono/mon615.pdf

Look at appendix 6/page 74

If you need antibiotics your family doctor should be able to help - the

antibiotics administered should be the same as that for a THR or most joint

surgery

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Dental Treatment

hello everyone,

Firstly let me thank everyone for their contributions - I really appreciate

hearing other peoples experiences.

Reading your messages, I have become rather concerned about the possibility

of infection due to dental treatment.

I was resurfed in the UK 24.09.02 and am recovering happily. Although I was

given fairly comprehensive post - op behaviour instructions NO MENTION WAS

EVER MADE ABOUT TAKING ANTIBIOTICS PRIOR TO DENTAL TREATMENT. Is this

simply a N American / Antipodean problem or do we Europeans run the same

risk? (LOL). I would appreciate more information about this.

Additionally, have any other UK surfers been given instructions about

antibiotic treatment pre dentistry?

Thanks once again.

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At 01:55 AM 10/23/2002 +0100, you wrote:

>The danger is that of picking up an infection and it transfering to the

>weakest part of your body - your hip at this moment in time.

Actually the reason is that if an bacteria settle on the artificial joint

(be it metal, ceramic, poly, or cardboard-lol), there is no blood supply to

the joint itself, therefore no microphages (white blood cells) to destroy

the bacteria. On top of that, the bacteria creates a nice scummy layer on

the artificial joint which is sometimes difficult for antibiotics to get

to, thus the removal and clean-up that can occur.

I've had to take antibiotics for dental treatment for years due to a heart

murmur, so nothing changed for me...

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At 01:55 AM 10/23/2002 +0100, you wrote:

>The danger is that of picking up an infection and it transfering to the

>weakest part of your body - your hip at this moment in time.

Actually the reason is that if an bacteria settle on the artificial joint

(be it metal, ceramic, poly, or cardboard-lol), there is no blood supply to

the joint itself, therefore no microphages (white blood cells) to destroy

the bacteria. On top of that, the bacteria creates a nice scummy layer on

the artificial joint which is sometimes difficult for antibiotics to get

to, thus the removal and clean-up that can occur.

I've had to take antibiotics for dental treatment for years due to a heart

murmur, so nothing changed for me...

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I stand corrected

Re: Dental Treatment

At 01:55 AM 10/23/2002 +0100, you wrote:

>The danger is that of picking up an infection and it transfering to the

>weakest part of your body - your hip at this moment in time.

Actually the reason is that if an bacteria settle on the artificial joint

(be it metal, ceramic, poly, or cardboard-lol), there is no blood supply to

the joint itself, therefore no microphages (white blood cells) to destroy

the bacteria. On top of that, the bacteria creates a nice scummy layer on

the artificial joint which is sometimes difficult for antibiotics to get

to, thus the removal and clean-up that can occur.

I've had to take antibiotics for dental treatment for years due to a heart

murmur, so nothing changed for me...

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I stand corrected

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At 01:55 AM 10/23/2002 +0100, you wrote:

>The danger is that of picking up an infection and it transfering to the

>weakest part of your body - your hip at this moment in time.

Actually the reason is that if an bacteria settle on the artificial joint

(be it metal, ceramic, poly, or cardboard-lol), there is no blood supply to

the joint itself, therefore no microphages (white blood cells) to destroy

the bacteria. On top of that, the bacteria creates a nice scummy layer on

the artificial joint which is sometimes difficult for antibiotics to get

to, thus the removal and clean-up that can occur.

I've had to take antibiotics for dental treatment for years due to a heart

murmur, so nothing changed for me...

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Hi everyone,

I will be taking antibiotics when I next have dental work - not worth

the risk especially when it is so eloquently described by :-

" the bacteria creates a nice scummy layer on the artificial joint

which is sometimes difficult for antibiotics to get to, thus the

removal and clean-up that can occur. "

However is there any other situation where we need to take

antibiotics like a cold/flu, etc.

I would imagine a cut that could get infected needs some attention

but anything else?

Thanks

Dasher

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Hi everyone,

I will be taking antibiotics when I next have dental work - not worth

the risk especially when it is so eloquently described by :-

" the bacteria creates a nice scummy layer on the artificial joint

which is sometimes difficult for antibiotics to get to, thus the

removal and clean-up that can occur. "

However is there any other situation where we need to take

antibiotics like a cold/flu, etc.

I would imagine a cut that could get infected needs some attention

but anything else?

Thanks

Dasher

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Hi,

I don't know all this sounds like too much antibotic taking for

me............. I think I will just trust my acupuncture and good general

health......... My early in life infection that left me like this didn't

respond to antibotics anyway.......... plus I think I would rather keep all

my good bugs alive and not knock them off regularly with

antibotics........... That way I may have a chance in hell if an infection

came by any avenue........

I thought too that once the whole operation settled down the normal body

fluids did get around the BHR and keep everything happy............... I

would think if it was easy for infections to set up house those figures

mentioned of 4 in 4500 + BHR revisions due to infections would have been

more like

400 in 4500........... or all the 4500 + were taking antibotics

constantly...........

(does the report mention anything like that?)

For we are forever getting invaders entering the body

system........

Edith

>

> I will be taking antibiotics when I next have dental work - not worth

> the risk especially when it is so eloquently described by :-

>

> " the bacteria creates a nice scummy layer on the artificial joint

> which is sometimes difficult for antibiotics to get to, thus the

> removal and clean-up that can occur. "

>

> However is there any other situation where we need to take

> antibiotics like a cold/flu, etc.

> I would imagine a cut that could get infected needs some attention

> but anything else?

>

> Thanks

> Dasher

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Hi,

I don't know all this sounds like too much antibotic taking for

me............. I think I will just trust my acupuncture and good general

health......... My early in life infection that left me like this didn't

respond to antibotics anyway.......... plus I think I would rather keep all

my good bugs alive and not knock them off regularly with

antibotics........... That way I may have a chance in hell if an infection

came by any avenue........

I thought too that once the whole operation settled down the normal body

fluids did get around the BHR and keep everything happy............... I

would think if it was easy for infections to set up house those figures

mentioned of 4 in 4500 + BHR revisions due to infections would have been

more like

400 in 4500........... or all the 4500 + were taking antibotics

constantly...........

(does the report mention anything like that?)

For we are forever getting invaders entering the body

system........

Edith

>

> I will be taking antibiotics when I next have dental work - not worth

> the risk especially when it is so eloquently described by :-

>

> " the bacteria creates a nice scummy layer on the artificial joint

> which is sometimes difficult for antibiotics to get to, thus the

> removal and clean-up that can occur. "

>

> However is there any other situation where we need to take

> antibiotics like a cold/flu, etc.

> I would imagine a cut that could get infected needs some attention

> but anything else?

>

> Thanks

> Dasher

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Hi,

I don't know all this sounds like too much antibotic taking for

me............. I think I will just trust my acupuncture and good general

health......... My early in life infection that left me like this didn't

respond to antibotics anyway.......... plus I think I would rather keep all

my good bugs alive and not knock them off regularly with

antibotics........... That way I may have a chance in hell if an infection

came by any avenue........

I thought too that once the whole operation settled down the normal body

fluids did get around the BHR and keep everything happy............... I

would think if it was easy for infections to set up house those figures

mentioned of 4 in 4500 + BHR revisions due to infections would have been

more like

400 in 4500........... or all the 4500 + were taking antibotics

constantly...........

(does the report mention anything like that?)

For we are forever getting invaders entering the body

system........

Edith

>

> I will be taking antibiotics when I next have dental work - not worth

> the risk especially when it is so eloquently described by :-

>

> " the bacteria creates a nice scummy layer on the artificial joint

> which is sometimes difficult for antibiotics to get to, thus the

> removal and clean-up that can occur. "

>

> However is there any other situation where we need to take

> antibiotics like a cold/flu, etc.

> I would imagine a cut that could get infected needs some attention

> but anything else?

>

> Thanks

> Dasher

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At 07:29 AM 10/23/2002 +0000, you wrote:

>However is there any other situation where we need to take

>antibiotics like a cold/flu, etc.

NO! Colds and flu's are viral in nature and antibiotics do nothing do

eliminate them, but can cause other bacteria to become resistant to that

particular antibiotic. Only a bacterial infection can be cured with

antibiotics.

>

>I would imagine a cut that could get infected needs some attention

>but anything else?

I've had several cuts that have gotten infected. Although I guess that

could cause a problem, I think dental work is much more likely to. When

you get an infected finger, the white blood cells are there doing there

job, and hopefully not many of the buggers are getting into the

bloodstream. However, during dental work, there is a mass of bacteria from

your mouth that floods into the bloodstream from bleeding gums, microscopic

cuts, etc. Dental work is still the biggie.

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At 07:29 AM 10/23/2002 +0000, you wrote:

>However is there any other situation where we need to take

>antibiotics like a cold/flu, etc.

NO! Colds and flu's are viral in nature and antibiotics do nothing do

eliminate them, but can cause other bacteria to become resistant to that

particular antibiotic. Only a bacterial infection can be cured with

antibiotics.

>

>I would imagine a cut that could get infected needs some attention

>but anything else?

I've had several cuts that have gotten infected. Although I guess that

could cause a problem, I think dental work is much more likely to. When

you get an infected finger, the white blood cells are there doing there

job, and hopefully not many of the buggers are getting into the

bloodstream. However, during dental work, there is a mass of bacteria from

your mouth that floods into the bloodstream from bleeding gums, microscopic

cuts, etc. Dental work is still the biggie.

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At 07:29 AM 10/23/2002 +0000, you wrote:

>However is there any other situation where we need to take

>antibiotics like a cold/flu, etc.

NO! Colds and flu's are viral in nature and antibiotics do nothing do

eliminate them, but can cause other bacteria to become resistant to that

particular antibiotic. Only a bacterial infection can be cured with

antibiotics.

>

>I would imagine a cut that could get infected needs some attention

>but anything else?

I've had several cuts that have gotten infected. Although I guess that

could cause a problem, I think dental work is much more likely to. When

you get an infected finger, the white blood cells are there doing there

job, and hopefully not many of the buggers are getting into the

bloodstream. However, during dental work, there is a mass of bacteria from

your mouth that floods into the bloodstream from bleeding gums, microscopic

cuts, etc. Dental work is still the biggie.

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> Hi,

>

> I don't know all this sounds like too much antibotic taking for

> me.............

I'm with you, " ecrow " .... not that I have dental work done that often,

but regular rounds of antibiotics can damage the immune

system, right? As you said, killing off the good bugs as well...

are there any alternative ideas to anti-biotics?

Sue

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> Hi,

>

> I don't know all this sounds like too much antibotic taking for

> me.............

I'm with you, " ecrow " .... not that I have dental work done that often,

but regular rounds of antibiotics can damage the immune

system, right? As you said, killing off the good bugs as well...

are there any alternative ideas to anti-biotics?

Sue

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> Hi,

>

> I don't know all this sounds like too much antibotic taking for

> me.............

I'm with you, " ecrow " .... not that I have dental work done that often,

but regular rounds of antibiotics can damage the immune

system, right? As you said, killing off the good bugs as well...

are there any alternative ideas to anti-biotics?

Sue

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>

> hello everyone,

> Firstly let me thank everyone for their contributions - I really

appreciate

> hearing other peoples experiences.

> Reading your messages, I have become rather concerned about the

possibility

> of infection due to dental treatment.

> I was resurfed in the UK 24.09.02 and am recovering happily.

Although I was

> given fairly comprehensive post - op behaviour instructions NO

MENTION WAS

> EVER MADE ABOUT TAKING ANTIBIOTICS PRIOR TO DENTAL TREATMENT. Is

this

> simply a N American / Antipodean problem or do we Europeans run the

same

> risk? (LOL). I would appreciate more information about this.

> Additionally, have any other UK surfers been given instructions

about

> antibiotic treatment pre dentistry?

> Thanks once again.

>

>

,

I'm a UK surfer (McMinn, April 02) and have never been given

instructions about antibiotics pre-dentistry. Went for my 6 month

check last week and no mention made of this (we discussed my op.!)and

I didn't ask about it.

Stella

>

>

>

>

>

>

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> hello everyone,

> Firstly let me thank everyone for their contributions - I really

appreciate

> hearing other peoples experiences.

> Reading your messages, I have become rather concerned about the

possibility

> of infection due to dental treatment.

> I was resurfed in the UK 24.09.02 and am recovering happily.

Although I was

> given fairly comprehensive post - op behaviour instructions NO

MENTION WAS

> EVER MADE ABOUT TAKING ANTIBIOTICS PRIOR TO DENTAL TREATMENT. Is

this

> simply a N American / Antipodean problem or do we Europeans run the

same

> risk? (LOL). I would appreciate more information about this.

> Additionally, have any other UK surfers been given instructions

about

> antibiotic treatment pre dentistry?

> Thanks once again.

>

>

,

I'm a UK surfer (McMinn, April 02) and have never been given

instructions about antibiotics pre-dentistry. Went for my 6 month

check last week and no mention made of this (we discussed my op.!)and

I didn't ask about it.

Stella

>

>

>

>

>

>

> _________________________________________________________________

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NO MENTION WAS EVER MADE ABOUT TAKING ANTIBIOTICS PRIOR TO DENTAL

TREATMENT.

___

Other than hearing about this on SH and TH, the only medical people

who have ever mentioned this to me are my dentist and a nurse

practitioner(who had worked for 10 yrs. in an orthopedic office) at

my regular doctor's office.

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NO MENTION WAS EVER MADE ABOUT TAKING ANTIBIOTICS PRIOR TO DENTAL

TREATMENT.

___

Other than hearing about this on SH and TH, the only medical people

who have ever mentioned this to me are my dentist and a nurse

practitioner(who had worked for 10 yrs. in an orthopedic office) at

my regular doctor's office.

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NO MENTION WAS EVER MADE ABOUT TAKING ANTIBIOTICS PRIOR TO DENTAL

TREATMENT.

___

Other than hearing about this on SH and TH, the only medical people

who have ever mentioned this to me are my dentist and a nurse

practitioner(who had worked for 10 yrs. in an orthopedic office) at

my regular doctor's office.

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Hi everyone,

I'm in the UK. I was told to take antibiotics - 3 grams of Amoxicilin

powder in water an hour before I visited the hygenist as this is more

invasive (can make your gums bleed) than having fillings. My dentist

said that current guidelines state that it's only necessary to take

antibiotics in the three-month period post op, until the hip capsule

heals. But my surgeon said that the reason they say this is purely

to save money on giving loads of people antibiotics on a " regular "

basis, not because it becomes " safe " after three months. So who do I

believe?

I agree with a post in this thread and do not want to take

antibiotics at all (I hadn't for five years pre op) but am quite

scared now as I don't want to get a major infection. My mother, who

had a total hip replacement about nine years ago, was never told

anything about antibiotics for dental work and she is fine.

Lili

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Hi everyone,

I'm in the UK. I was told to take antibiotics - 3 grams of Amoxicilin

powder in water an hour before I visited the hygenist as this is more

invasive (can make your gums bleed) than having fillings. My dentist

said that current guidelines state that it's only necessary to take

antibiotics in the three-month period post op, until the hip capsule

heals. But my surgeon said that the reason they say this is purely

to save money on giving loads of people antibiotics on a " regular "

basis, not because it becomes " safe " after three months. So who do I

believe?

I agree with a post in this thread and do not want to take

antibiotics at all (I hadn't for five years pre op) but am quite

scared now as I don't want to get a major infection. My mother, who

had a total hip replacement about nine years ago, was never told

anything about antibiotics for dental work and she is fine.

Lili

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Hi everyone,

I'm in the UK. I was told to take antibiotics - 3 grams of Amoxicilin

powder in water an hour before I visited the hygenist as this is more

invasive (can make your gums bleed) than having fillings. My dentist

said that current guidelines state that it's only necessary to take

antibiotics in the three-month period post op, until the hip capsule

heals. But my surgeon said that the reason they say this is purely

to save money on giving loads of people antibiotics on a " regular "

basis, not because it becomes " safe " after three months. So who do I

believe?

I agree with a post in this thread and do not want to take

antibiotics at all (I hadn't for five years pre op) but am quite

scared now as I don't want to get a major infection. My mother, who

had a total hip replacement about nine years ago, was never told

anything about antibiotics for dental work and she is fine.

Lili

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Hi everyone,

I'm in the UK. I was told to take antibiotics - 3 grams of Amoxicilin

powder in water an hour before I visited the hygenist as this is more

invasive (can make your gums bleed) than having fillings. My dentist

said that current guidelines state that it's only necessary to take

antibiotics in the three-month period post op, until the hip capsule

heals. But my surgeon said that the reason they say this is purely

to save money on giving loads of people antibiotics on a " regular "

basis, not because it becomes " safe " after three months. So who do I

believe?

I agree with a post in this thread and do not want to take

antibiotics at all (I hadn't for five years pre op) but am quite

scared now as I don't want to get a major infection. My mother, who

had a total hip replacement about nine years ago, was never told

anything about antibiotics for dental work and she is fine.

Lili

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