Guest guest Posted October 23, 2002 Report Share Posted October 23, 2002 Hi , Yes I was warned about infection following dental treatment as there is more risk involved than any other normal procedure. The danger is that of picking up an infection and it transfering to the weakest part of your body - your hip at this moment in time. As your operation was of UK origin there are a few facts that may settle your mind - of 4455 operations there were only 4 infections in a 4 year period that were classified as a revision. A revision means an in hospital visit to have remedial work. At best to be drip fed a strong antibiotic and at worst all the metal removed for a period of up to 6 months (this is rare). Of the 4 infections I mentioned above, it should be recognised that not all are of dental origin. To see were the data comes from please view http://www.ncchta.org/fullmono/mon615.pdf Look at appendix 6/page 74 If you need antibiotics your family doctor should be able to help - the antibiotics administered should be the same as that for a THR or most joint surgery Regards Dental Treatment hello everyone, Firstly let me thank everyone for their contributions - I really appreciate hearing other peoples experiences. Reading your messages, I have become rather concerned about the possibility of infection due to dental treatment. I was resurfed in the UK 24.09.02 and am recovering happily. Although I was given fairly comprehensive post - op behaviour instructions NO MENTION WAS EVER MADE ABOUT TAKING ANTIBIOTICS PRIOR TO DENTAL TREATMENT. Is this simply a N American / Antipodean problem or do we Europeans run the same risk? (LOL). I would appreciate more information about this. Additionally, have any other UK surfers been given instructions about antibiotic treatment pre dentistry? Thanks once again. _________________________________________________________________ Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2002 Report Share Posted October 23, 2002 At 01:55 AM 10/23/2002 +0100, you wrote: >The danger is that of picking up an infection and it transfering to the >weakest part of your body - your hip at this moment in time. Actually the reason is that if an bacteria settle on the artificial joint (be it metal, ceramic, poly, or cardboard-lol), there is no blood supply to the joint itself, therefore no microphages (white blood cells) to destroy the bacteria. On top of that, the bacteria creates a nice scummy layer on the artificial joint which is sometimes difficult for antibiotics to get to, thus the removal and clean-up that can occur. I've had to take antibiotics for dental treatment for years due to a heart murmur, so nothing changed for me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2002 Report Share Posted October 23, 2002 I stand corrected Re: Dental Treatment At 01:55 AM 10/23/2002 +0100, you wrote: >The danger is that of picking up an infection and it transfering to the >weakest part of your body - your hip at this moment in time. Actually the reason is that if an bacteria settle on the artificial joint (be it metal, ceramic, poly, or cardboard-lol), there is no blood supply to the joint itself, therefore no microphages (white blood cells) to destroy the bacteria. On top of that, the bacteria creates a nice scummy layer on the artificial joint which is sometimes difficult for antibiotics to get to, thus the removal and clean-up that can occur. I've had to take antibiotics for dental treatment for years due to a heart murmur, so nothing changed for me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2002 Report Share Posted October 23, 2002 I stand corrected Re: Dental Treatment At 01:55 AM 10/23/2002 +0100, you wrote: >The danger is that of picking up an infection and it transfering to the >weakest part of your body - your hip at this moment in time. Actually the reason is that if an bacteria settle on the artificial joint (be it metal, ceramic, poly, or cardboard-lol), there is no blood supply to the joint itself, therefore no microphages (white blood cells) to destroy the bacteria. On top of that, the bacteria creates a nice scummy layer on the artificial joint which is sometimes difficult for antibiotics to get to, thus the removal and clean-up that can occur. I've had to take antibiotics for dental treatment for years due to a heart murmur, so nothing changed for me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2002 Report Share Posted October 23, 2002 I stand corrected Re: Dental Treatment At 01:55 AM 10/23/2002 +0100, you wrote: >The danger is that of picking up an infection and it transfering to the >weakest part of your body - your hip at this moment in time. Actually the reason is that if an bacteria settle on the artificial joint (be it metal, ceramic, poly, or cardboard-lol), there is no blood supply to the joint itself, therefore no microphages (white blood cells) to destroy the bacteria. On top of that, the bacteria creates a nice scummy layer on the artificial joint which is sometimes difficult for antibiotics to get to, thus the removal and clean-up that can occur. I've had to take antibiotics for dental treatment for years due to a heart murmur, so nothing changed for me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2002 Report Share Posted October 23, 2002 Hi everyone, I will be taking antibiotics when I next have dental work - not worth the risk especially when it is so eloquently described by :- " the bacteria creates a nice scummy layer on the artificial joint which is sometimes difficult for antibiotics to get to, thus the removal and clean-up that can occur. " However is there any other situation where we need to take antibiotics like a cold/flu, etc. I would imagine a cut that could get infected needs some attention but anything else? Thanks Dasher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2002 Report Share Posted October 23, 2002 Hi everyone, I will be taking antibiotics when I next have dental work - not worth the risk especially when it is so eloquently described by :- " the bacteria creates a nice scummy layer on the artificial joint which is sometimes difficult for antibiotics to get to, thus the removal and clean-up that can occur. " However is there any other situation where we need to take antibiotics like a cold/flu, etc. I would imagine a cut that could get infected needs some attention but anything else? Thanks Dasher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2002 Report Share Posted October 23, 2002 Hi, I don't know all this sounds like too much antibotic taking for me............. I think I will just trust my acupuncture and good general health......... My early in life infection that left me like this didn't respond to antibotics anyway.......... plus I think I would rather keep all my good bugs alive and not knock them off regularly with antibotics........... That way I may have a chance in hell if an infection came by any avenue........ I thought too that once the whole operation settled down the normal body fluids did get around the BHR and keep everything happy............... I would think if it was easy for infections to set up house those figures mentioned of 4 in 4500 + BHR revisions due to infections would have been more like 400 in 4500........... or all the 4500 + were taking antibotics constantly........... (does the report mention anything like that?) For we are forever getting invaders entering the body system........ Edith > > I will be taking antibiotics when I next have dental work - not worth > the risk especially when it is so eloquently described by :- > > " the bacteria creates a nice scummy layer on the artificial joint > which is sometimes difficult for antibiotics to get to, thus the > removal and clean-up that can occur. " > > However is there any other situation where we need to take > antibiotics like a cold/flu, etc. > I would imagine a cut that could get infected needs some attention > but anything else? > > Thanks > Dasher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2002 Report Share Posted October 23, 2002 Hi, I don't know all this sounds like too much antibotic taking for me............. I think I will just trust my acupuncture and good general health......... My early in life infection that left me like this didn't respond to antibotics anyway.......... plus I think I would rather keep all my good bugs alive and not knock them off regularly with antibotics........... That way I may have a chance in hell if an infection came by any avenue........ I thought too that once the whole operation settled down the normal body fluids did get around the BHR and keep everything happy............... I would think if it was easy for infections to set up house those figures mentioned of 4 in 4500 + BHR revisions due to infections would have been more like 400 in 4500........... or all the 4500 + were taking antibotics constantly........... (does the report mention anything like that?) For we are forever getting invaders entering the body system........ Edith > > I will be taking antibiotics when I next have dental work - not worth > the risk especially when it is so eloquently described by :- > > " the bacteria creates a nice scummy layer on the artificial joint > which is sometimes difficult for antibiotics to get to, thus the > removal and clean-up that can occur. " > > However is there any other situation where we need to take > antibiotics like a cold/flu, etc. > I would imagine a cut that could get infected needs some attention > but anything else? > > Thanks > Dasher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2002 Report Share Posted October 23, 2002 Hi, I don't know all this sounds like too much antibotic taking for me............. I think I will just trust my acupuncture and good general health......... My early in life infection that left me like this didn't respond to antibotics anyway.......... plus I think I would rather keep all my good bugs alive and not knock them off regularly with antibotics........... That way I may have a chance in hell if an infection came by any avenue........ I thought too that once the whole operation settled down the normal body fluids did get around the BHR and keep everything happy............... I would think if it was easy for infections to set up house those figures mentioned of 4 in 4500 + BHR revisions due to infections would have been more like 400 in 4500........... or all the 4500 + were taking antibotics constantly........... (does the report mention anything like that?) For we are forever getting invaders entering the body system........ Edith > > I will be taking antibiotics when I next have dental work - not worth > the risk especially when it is so eloquently described by :- > > " the bacteria creates a nice scummy layer on the artificial joint > which is sometimes difficult for antibiotics to get to, thus the > removal and clean-up that can occur. " > > However is there any other situation where we need to take > antibiotics like a cold/flu, etc. > I would imagine a cut that could get infected needs some attention > but anything else? > > Thanks > Dasher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2002 Report Share Posted October 23, 2002 At 07:29 AM 10/23/2002 +0000, you wrote: >However is there any other situation where we need to take >antibiotics like a cold/flu, etc. NO! Colds and flu's are viral in nature and antibiotics do nothing do eliminate them, but can cause other bacteria to become resistant to that particular antibiotic. Only a bacterial infection can be cured with antibiotics. > >I would imagine a cut that could get infected needs some attention >but anything else? I've had several cuts that have gotten infected. Although I guess that could cause a problem, I think dental work is much more likely to. When you get an infected finger, the white blood cells are there doing there job, and hopefully not many of the buggers are getting into the bloodstream. However, during dental work, there is a mass of bacteria from your mouth that floods into the bloodstream from bleeding gums, microscopic cuts, etc. Dental work is still the biggie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2002 Report Share Posted October 23, 2002 At 07:29 AM 10/23/2002 +0000, you wrote: >However is there any other situation where we need to take >antibiotics like a cold/flu, etc. NO! Colds and flu's are viral in nature and antibiotics do nothing do eliminate them, but can cause other bacteria to become resistant to that particular antibiotic. Only a bacterial infection can be cured with antibiotics. > >I would imagine a cut that could get infected needs some attention >but anything else? I've had several cuts that have gotten infected. Although I guess that could cause a problem, I think dental work is much more likely to. When you get an infected finger, the white blood cells are there doing there job, and hopefully not many of the buggers are getting into the bloodstream. However, during dental work, there is a mass of bacteria from your mouth that floods into the bloodstream from bleeding gums, microscopic cuts, etc. Dental work is still the biggie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2002 Report Share Posted October 23, 2002 At 07:29 AM 10/23/2002 +0000, you wrote: >However is there any other situation where we need to take >antibiotics like a cold/flu, etc. NO! Colds and flu's are viral in nature and antibiotics do nothing do eliminate them, but can cause other bacteria to become resistant to that particular antibiotic. Only a bacterial infection can be cured with antibiotics. > >I would imagine a cut that could get infected needs some attention >but anything else? I've had several cuts that have gotten infected. Although I guess that could cause a problem, I think dental work is much more likely to. When you get an infected finger, the white blood cells are there doing there job, and hopefully not many of the buggers are getting into the bloodstream. However, during dental work, there is a mass of bacteria from your mouth that floods into the bloodstream from bleeding gums, microscopic cuts, etc. Dental work is still the biggie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2002 Report Share Posted October 23, 2002 > Hi, > > I don't know all this sounds like too much antibotic taking for > me............. I'm with you, " ecrow " .... not that I have dental work done that often, but regular rounds of antibiotics can damage the immune system, right? As you said, killing off the good bugs as well... are there any alternative ideas to anti-biotics? Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2002 Report Share Posted October 23, 2002 > Hi, > > I don't know all this sounds like too much antibotic taking for > me............. I'm with you, " ecrow " .... not that I have dental work done that often, but regular rounds of antibiotics can damage the immune system, right? As you said, killing off the good bugs as well... are there any alternative ideas to anti-biotics? Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2002 Report Share Posted October 23, 2002 > Hi, > > I don't know all this sounds like too much antibotic taking for > me............. I'm with you, " ecrow " .... not that I have dental work done that often, but regular rounds of antibiotics can damage the immune system, right? As you said, killing off the good bugs as well... are there any alternative ideas to anti-biotics? Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2002 Report Share Posted October 23, 2002 > > hello everyone, > Firstly let me thank everyone for their contributions - I really appreciate > hearing other peoples experiences. > Reading your messages, I have become rather concerned about the possibility > of infection due to dental treatment. > I was resurfed in the UK 24.09.02 and am recovering happily. Although I was > given fairly comprehensive post - op behaviour instructions NO MENTION WAS > EVER MADE ABOUT TAKING ANTIBIOTICS PRIOR TO DENTAL TREATMENT. Is this > simply a N American / Antipodean problem or do we Europeans run the same > risk? (LOL). I would appreciate more information about this. > Additionally, have any other UK surfers been given instructions about > antibiotic treatment pre dentistry? > Thanks once again. > > , I'm a UK surfer (McMinn, April 02) and have never been given instructions about antibiotics pre-dentistry. Went for my 6 month check last week and no mention made of this (we discussed my op.!)and I didn't ask about it. Stella > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2002 Report Share Posted October 23, 2002 > > hello everyone, > Firstly let me thank everyone for their contributions - I really appreciate > hearing other peoples experiences. > Reading your messages, I have become rather concerned about the possibility > of infection due to dental treatment. > I was resurfed in the UK 24.09.02 and am recovering happily. Although I was > given fairly comprehensive post - op behaviour instructions NO MENTION WAS > EVER MADE ABOUT TAKING ANTIBIOTICS PRIOR TO DENTAL TREATMENT. Is this > simply a N American / Antipodean problem or do we Europeans run the same > risk? (LOL). I would appreciate more information about this. > Additionally, have any other UK surfers been given instructions about > antibiotic treatment pre dentistry? > Thanks once again. > > , I'm a UK surfer (McMinn, April 02) and have never been given instructions about antibiotics pre-dentistry. Went for my 6 month check last week and no mention made of this (we discussed my op.!)and I didn't ask about it. Stella > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2002 Report Share Posted October 23, 2002 NO MENTION WAS EVER MADE ABOUT TAKING ANTIBIOTICS PRIOR TO DENTAL TREATMENT. ___ Other than hearing about this on SH and TH, the only medical people who have ever mentioned this to me are my dentist and a nurse practitioner(who had worked for 10 yrs. in an orthopedic office) at my regular doctor's office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2002 Report Share Posted October 23, 2002 NO MENTION WAS EVER MADE ABOUT TAKING ANTIBIOTICS PRIOR TO DENTAL TREATMENT. ___ Other than hearing about this on SH and TH, the only medical people who have ever mentioned this to me are my dentist and a nurse practitioner(who had worked for 10 yrs. in an orthopedic office) at my regular doctor's office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2002 Report Share Posted October 23, 2002 NO MENTION WAS EVER MADE ABOUT TAKING ANTIBIOTICS PRIOR TO DENTAL TREATMENT. ___ Other than hearing about this on SH and TH, the only medical people who have ever mentioned this to me are my dentist and a nurse practitioner(who had worked for 10 yrs. in an orthopedic office) at my regular doctor's office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2002 Report Share Posted October 23, 2002 Hi everyone, I'm in the UK. I was told to take antibiotics - 3 grams of Amoxicilin powder in water an hour before I visited the hygenist as this is more invasive (can make your gums bleed) than having fillings. My dentist said that current guidelines state that it's only necessary to take antibiotics in the three-month period post op, until the hip capsule heals. But my surgeon said that the reason they say this is purely to save money on giving loads of people antibiotics on a " regular " basis, not because it becomes " safe " after three months. So who do I believe? I agree with a post in this thread and do not want to take antibiotics at all (I hadn't for five years pre op) but am quite scared now as I don't want to get a major infection. My mother, who had a total hip replacement about nine years ago, was never told anything about antibiotics for dental work and she is fine. Lili Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2002 Report Share Posted October 23, 2002 Hi everyone, I'm in the UK. I was told to take antibiotics - 3 grams of Amoxicilin powder in water an hour before I visited the hygenist as this is more invasive (can make your gums bleed) than having fillings. My dentist said that current guidelines state that it's only necessary to take antibiotics in the three-month period post op, until the hip capsule heals. But my surgeon said that the reason they say this is purely to save money on giving loads of people antibiotics on a " regular " basis, not because it becomes " safe " after three months. So who do I believe? I agree with a post in this thread and do not want to take antibiotics at all (I hadn't for five years pre op) but am quite scared now as I don't want to get a major infection. My mother, who had a total hip replacement about nine years ago, was never told anything about antibiotics for dental work and she is fine. Lili Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2002 Report Share Posted October 23, 2002 Hi everyone, I'm in the UK. I was told to take antibiotics - 3 grams of Amoxicilin powder in water an hour before I visited the hygenist as this is more invasive (can make your gums bleed) than having fillings. My dentist said that current guidelines state that it's only necessary to take antibiotics in the three-month period post op, until the hip capsule heals. But my surgeon said that the reason they say this is purely to save money on giving loads of people antibiotics on a " regular " basis, not because it becomes " safe " after three months. So who do I believe? I agree with a post in this thread and do not want to take antibiotics at all (I hadn't for five years pre op) but am quite scared now as I don't want to get a major infection. My mother, who had a total hip replacement about nine years ago, was never told anything about antibiotics for dental work and she is fine. Lili Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2002 Report Share Posted October 23, 2002 Hi everyone, I'm in the UK. I was told to take antibiotics - 3 grams of Amoxicilin powder in water an hour before I visited the hygenist as this is more invasive (can make your gums bleed) than having fillings. My dentist said that current guidelines state that it's only necessary to take antibiotics in the three-month period post op, until the hip capsule heals. But my surgeon said that the reason they say this is purely to save money on giving loads of people antibiotics on a " regular " basis, not because it becomes " safe " after three months. So who do I believe? I agree with a post in this thread and do not want to take antibiotics at all (I hadn't for five years pre op) but am quite scared now as I don't want to get a major infection. My mother, who had a total hip replacement about nine years ago, was never told anything about antibiotics for dental work and she is fine. Lili Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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