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> > I don't believe you've addressed the three basic rights of Life, Liberty

and

> > the Pursuit of Happiness. These are not " rights against the government, "

to

> > use your phrase. They are rights of human existence. Period.

> >

>

> These are rights the government may not infringe. But which it has no

> positive obligation to effect. I do not owe you your happiness; you

merely

> are entitled that I not kill you, steal from you, or otherwise interfere

with

> your going about your business of pursuing happiness.(You have the right

to

> PURSUE it, but no one owes you that result, and my pocketbook is off

limits

> to your pursuit of happiness unless I choose to open it.)

You don't owe me that happiness, tis true. And you've misstated my argument,

which clearly did NOT say that. I said the gov't owed it. In addition to

natural law, at least in a weak sense, comes a social contract view of govt.

Therefore, I contend the govt has the obligation to protect those rights.

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> > No, pass better laws, and you better restrain the ability of business to

> >

>

>And *I am naive? <rolling eyes>

I didn't say it was that realistic. But it's certainly no **less** realistic

than your thoughts.

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Re: Sober as a Bush?

> In a message dated 7/28/01 11:46:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> steverino63@... writes:

>

>

> > It's simply a question of where and to what extent you want nannyism, in

my

> > view. It's a differencew of degree and nothing more.

> >

>

> That would collapse all meaningful distinctions. Government only " owes "

you

> the protection of your life, liberty and property from those who would

take

> them. You have a right to be free FROM, but no rights TO vis-a-vis the

> government, because the government has nothing to give you, unless it

takes

> it first from me.

Again, I disagree.

>

> What is your moral justification for taking money from me so the

government

> can spend it as you, but not I, would prefer? If it is an insoluble

> conundrum in areas such as, say, national defense, does that mean

wholesale

> robbing of money is justified by this hard case?

If you really want to follow libertarianism to its ultimate conclusion, why

have government at all? Even for police protection? Why not just let

everybody contract for their private security? Let people drive as they

will?

If libertarianism's ideas are pursued with ultimate vigor, I can see them

leading to anarchism as surely as Humean empiricism leads to solipsism.

Steve

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