Re: Foods to avoid?- Gin Glorious Gin - Pierre

[Guest guest]

Damn, thats why I like Pierre so much. He can even come up with good reasons

for me to drink alcohol. Now I can tell everyone I just drink for " medicinal

purposes " .

You da man, Pierre!

W

In a message dated 10/4/2004 10:53:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

pgl-groups@... writes:

When your have IgAN with mild to moderate chronic renal insufficiency,

there's no reason to abstain from alcohol unless you want to for other

reasons. In fact, they used to give people in the hospital a beer a day as a

kind of tonic, a sort of stimulant for the kidneys. As late as 1995, the

nephrologist I had at the time still recommended this, and he was a

highly-regarded, highly-experienced nephrologist around these parts. Plus, a

beer a day helped to relax. I don't think there has been any evidence to the

contrary to this day. On the other hand, there IS evidence that alcohol

abuse IS harmful, and not just to the kidneys. So, as long as it's just a

drink a day, it's probably Ok. Do keep in mind that heavier drinking tends

to raise blood pressure - not exactly something you want when you know you

have kidney disease... and of course, it has other adverse effects on the

body. For example, I don't think I would want to risk developing any liver

problems in addition to the kidney ones.

When you are pre-esrd (30% kidney function and under), there are other

considerations. First of all, you are then probably on some BP meds that

could precipitate dizziness or excessive reaction to alcohol. Beer may have

too much potassium and phosphorus (kind of like cola). In the pre-esrd renal

diet, beer is limited, but a glass of wine is actually in the list of

suggested energy booster foods. You need energy boosters to compensate for

the low protein aspect of the diet.

Pierre

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[Guest guest]

That is one of many reasons why you are the king of the IgAN world :-)

In a message dated 10/4/2004 12:00:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

pgl-groups@... writes:

> I can come up with reasons to have sex, gamble and a lot of other things

> too

>

>

> ...on second thought, you're on your own.

>

> Pierre

[Guest guest]

I can come up with reasons to have sex, gamble and a lot of other things too

....on second thought, you're on your own.

Pierre

Re: Foods to avoid?- Gin Glorious Gin - Pierre

>

>

> Damn, thats why I like Pierre so much. He can even come up with good

reasons

> for me to drink alcohol. Now I can tell everyone I just drink for

" medicinal

> purposes " .

> You da man, Pierre!

>

> W

>

>

>

> In a message dated 10/4/2004 10:53:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> pgl-groups@... writes:

> When your have IgAN with mild to moderate chronic renal insufficiency,

> there's no reason to abstain from alcohol unless you want to for other

> reasons. In fact, they used to give people in the hospital a beer a day as

a

> kind of tonic, a sort of stimulant for the kidneys. As late as 1995, the

> nephrologist I had at the time still recommended this, and he was a

> highly-regarded, highly-experienced nephrologist around these parts. Plus,

a

> beer a day helped to relax. I don't think there has been any evidence to

the

> contrary to this day. On the other hand, there IS evidence that alcohol

> abuse IS harmful, and not just to the kidneys. So, as long as it's just a

> drink a day, it's probably Ok. Do keep in mind that heavier drinking tends

> to raise blood pressure - not exactly something you want when you know you

> have kidney disease... and of course, it has other adverse effects on the

> body. For example, I don't think I would want to risk developing any liver

> problems in addition to the kidney ones.

>

> When you are pre-esrd (30% kidney function and under), there are other

> considerations. First of all, you are then probably on some BP meds that

> could precipitate dizziness or excessive reaction to alcohol. Beer may

have

> too much potassium and phosphorus (kind of like cola). In the pre-esrd

renal

> diet, beer is limited, but a glass of wine is actually in the list of

> suggested energy booster foods. You need energy boosters to compensate for

> the low protein aspect of the diet.

>

> Pierre

>

[Guest guest]

beer is better than red wine for being antioxidant, there was a study

a while back, I can't remember what its effect on BP is though.

>

> Damn, thats why I like Pierre so much. He can even come up with

good reasons

> for me to drink alcohol. Now I can tell everyone I just drink

for " medicinal

> purposes " .

> You da man, Pierre!

>

> W

[Guest guest]

You should search for flavonoids. There are more in red wine than

beer.

na

> >

> > Damn, thats why I like Pierre so much. He can even come up with

> good reasons

> > for me to drink alcohol. Now I can tell everyone I just drink

> for " medicinal

> > purposes " .

> > You da man, Pierre!

> >

> > W