Carmen

May 9, 2001

Terri,

When your dr did the surgery would he not have been able to see the signs of

infection or scarring caused by the chlamydia? My husband and I found out

that we had it right after we started having " relations " . We had both been in

relationships only weeks prior to meeting in which our significant others

slept around on us, so we are unsure of where it came from. We never had any

symptoms (which is common) but we are pretty sure we did not have it long

when we were treated. This is part of why I feel so guilty about my ep. If

Earl and I had only been with eachother this never would have happened.

Here's the other bad part - we decided not to tell the dr we had this because

my dr practices in the same town as my husband. I don't think my dr would

ever reveal anything about a patient, but they run in the same social circles

and the small town politics are horrible around here. Even though Chattanooga

isn't that small, all the professionals know eachother. I know that sounds

really shallow, but I've gone through enough emotional agony lately. The dr

did say that he didn't see any infection or scarring when he did the surgery,

but I am worried that the cillia are damaged. What info did your dr give you

rearding the matter? Did he seem to think you would continue to have problems

because of the chlamydia?

I am not sure which hormones - whichever hormones still linger after the ep.

On a lighter note - yes, finals are over, thank God. I am celebrating

tonight. I came to check mail real quick, I hope my words aren't slurred!!!!!!

Carmen

May 10, 2001

Sheila

I had an HSG prior to my ep with similar results. I later had lap

surgery to see what was going on and I had adhesions all over my

tubes. We ended up going IVF.

Pam

May 11, 2001

Dear Sheila,

Your sisters-in-law sound AWFUL!!!!!!! I am lucky my family isn't THAT bad -

they are pretty bad though. Having to put up with that crap was bad BEFORE

the ep, now it's intolerable - and I've never been good at keping mouth shut

anyway!

Hang in there

Carmen

May 11, 2001

Hi Carmen,

That is really good that you don't put up with anything. My dh has always

said Sheila you let everyone step all over you. But thank God I have

learned. My dh and I have almost been married for almost 10 years and been

together almost 12, and it took me to last year to figure it out about his

sisters. But anyways my family ain't peaches and cream, but I hear you my

family ain't that bad either. Thank God for us, huh?

Take care,

Sheila

May 12, 2001

Carmen

I don't know about the cigarette issue but I do know about the guilt thing.

After my ep I thought it must be my fault somehow. First I thought since when I

questioned if I would be a good mom and if I could handle things after finding

out if I was pg, I thought I was being punished somehow. Maybe I wouldn't be a

good mom since I was questioning the whole issue and that is why I lost my baby.

I never told anyone that until, I think it was Dominique and that

brought it up here and than I realized that I guess those thoughts were kind of

normal. I was just scared. Than when I heard that taking b/c for so long, I felt

even more guilt because I had taken birth control for so long. Though I had

stoppen a year before starting to get pg. I guess what I am saying (well, what I

am rambling on about) is that since we all want answers to why this happened to

us that it is easy to blame ourselves. It would help if we really could find out

an answer though. Ok, rambled on way too much! (smile) Talk to you later.

ep 12-00 7wk4d

carme1ita@... wrote:

Amy r,

Your question is not off base at all. My husband and I smoked maybe once or

twice a week (usually on weekends) before we found out we were pg. Between

the smoking and the chlamydia I have worked up this real nice guilt trip for

myself. I had read that maternal smoking could cause an ep, even if it's

minimal. When I read this I cried and cried because I can't believe I helped

do this to my baby. I smoked while I was pg because I didn't know I was pg.

Of course I quit when I found out and I haven't wanted to since then because

the thought that smoking may have been the culprit just makes me not even

want to see a cigarette. I didn't know that smoking can damage the cillia or

that they can repair themselves. That gives me so much hope. Do you have any

idea how long it takes for them to become functional again??? Do you think we

should wait longer than 3 cycles to ttc? Does anybody else know anything

about this?

Thank you so much for telling me this.

Carmen

May 12, 2001

Carmen, I am sorry to hear about your sister. Hard to believe! I don't see how

anyone could just give up on their child. There is a girl I went to school with

and my mom and her mom are still friends, and she and her dh broke up. Well, the

dh wanted to move out of state and she allowed him to bring their little boy!!

She goes to visit....how nice of her!! I guess she couldn't have a child and be

a " cool " single mom!! It just makes me mad!!!

As for dysfunctional families, I think we all have one somehow or other!!!!

May 12, 2001

Hello, Carmen, yeah, I am going to talk to OB Tuesday and she what if anything

she suggests. I have seen two urologist. This has been going on since ep surgery

and I seen two urologist, but should of pushed for more testing, for some reason

neither seemed to what to investigate further. This last urologist said when I

first started seeing him that he felt that I had blood from rupture that was not

reaborbed back into my body yet and that was probably applying pressure to the

bladder and sometimes after a surgery your bladder can lose its

elasticity...both which should clear up in a couple of months he said. Than he

gave me two meds that helped take the feeling away. I figured he knew what he

was talking about and since the meds seemed to help, I was happy. I stopped

taking meds when I found out I was pg and well, as you know, problem not

solved!! I wanted to ttc so bad and I figured bladder was getting better so I

started ttc as soon as I received the news that left tube was clear during HSG.

In hindsight I should of waiting to start ttc until I knew for sure that I was

ok with bladder, (as my dear mom has mentioned a couple of times!) but I didn't

hold out much hope for 1st month and olny one tube, but I was extremely lucky.

Now I don't know if I did go to another urologist, if he could really do any

testing or whatever since I am pg so I guess I will talk to OB first. I don't

know how to exactly say it, but she did do ep surgery and it started right after

surgery....I mean, maybe bladder is ok, but something could of gotten bumped or

something, I don't know. I don't to make it sound like I blame her in anyway, I

just wonder if there could be something else besides the actually bladder

causing it. Ok, I am so sorry, I am totally rambling on about my bladder

mess....just what you wanted to hear!!!!! I guess I was thinking (and typing)

aloud. So to ramble on!!!!!! Thanks though for everything.

May 12, 2001

Carmen,

I did not have surgery for my ep...I was treated with methotrexate. I don't

know if the scarring from tubal infection would be visible during surgery or not

(anyone else know??!?). I guess I've just begun to accept that I probably will

never know what caused my ep.

I can understand why you wouldn't want your dr. to know about an std - I

don't think it's shallow. If there is not a reason for someone to know, it' s

your business. How did you even know you had chlamydia? I don't know if I

ever did, actually. That is just one theory of what may have predisposed me to

an ep. I was quite promiscuous for a period when I was a lot younger, so it

wouldn't be surprising. My dr.'s have been very positive about future

pregnancies. The percentage repeat ep rate they quote is 20%. I don't feel

quite so positive, especially since I don't know what actually caused it. I

certainly can sympathize with your desire to have this knowledge.

Terri

carme1ita@... wrote:

Terri,

When your dr did the surgery would he not have been able to see the signs of

infection or scarring caused by he chlamydia? My husband and I found out