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WHERE IS CAROL WILKE? na, Welcome to this family. And that is probably

what it will become for you. Carol is somewhere in England - I don't know where

exactly, but if she is on the computer today and reads your message, you can be

assured you will hear from her. If she is away, then go ahead and e-mail her.

Her net address is carol@... If I remember correctly,

she is RA. Also, if you request, there is a list of doctors around this world

who practice AP on this site. I am sure that really comes in handy for some.

You will probably get a lot of e-mails also telling you that it is not uncommonn

to be sero negative and still have it. I will leave all the other questions up

to the expert oldtimers here. My only advice to you is to not hesitate to write

any question, no matter how silly you think it might be. Been there and done

that and I can guarantee that the more you put in here and ask, the closer you

will be to all and most importantly, the most informed you will be to tackle

your illness. I continually tell my husband that I could have made it without

the help and support and just plain common sense and human kindness. None of

these here are willing to just lie down and give up and go along with anything

told them. They are a challenge for any doctor! Love,

wrote:

> From: " " <veggie@...>

>

> rheumatic R Arthritis

>

> > From: " S.E. Rostas " <ser12@...>

> >

> > I have just joined this list and don't quite know what to expect!

>

> Oh oh!

>

> > I have had sero negative RA for about a year and a half. It has recently

> > been largely in remission taking sulfasalazine and volterol (declofenac).

>

> Thats not remmission, thats keeping the sleeping giant contained. ,

>

> > However I'm currently suddenly much worse and wondering why.

> >

> Your body has adjusted to the drugs you are currently taking and you will

> have to change meds. This is very common.

>

> > I read something about avoiding mercury and it occurred to me that I did

> > have to have a filling in my tooth replaced just about at the time that my

> > arthritis came back forcibly....any thoughts on this?

>

> Metals can cause the immune system to malfunction, try testing for metals

> and if mercury is a problem then go through a detox program. Could also be a

> bacteria problem, maybe bacteria was released during the dental work.

>

> >

> > What prompted me to join the list is that I've heard about minocycline as

> > a treatment for RA but can't find anyobe in England who will give it any

> > consideration whatsoever. Any thoughts on that?

>

> Any british people on the list?

>

> >

> >

> > I've also just heard about CMO (whose chemical name I didn't bring with me

> > this afternoon). There is web site but currently its being reset up - so

> > no info there either (its www.cmocure.net). Any information on this

> > product?

>

> Its a scam

>

> > I'd be very gratefull for any help. The UK seems to be a bit behind on

> > such matters - better to go on poisoning the patients on the well known

> > cures than give them a chance to improve on - eg tetracycline!

> >

> >

> >

> > na Rostas

> > Cambridge

> > UK

>

>

>

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rheumatic R Arthritis

> From: " S.E. Rostas " <ser12@...>

>

> I have just joined this list and don't quite know what to expect!

Oh oh!

> I have had sero negative RA for about a year and a half. It has recently

> been largely in remission taking sulfasalazine and volterol (declofenac).

Thats not remmission, thats keeping the sleeping giant contained. ,

> However I'm currently suddenly much worse and wondering why.

>

Your body has adjusted to the drugs you are currently taking and you will

have to change meds. This is very common.

> I read something about avoiding mercury and it occurred to me that I did

> have to have a filling in my tooth replaced just about at the time that my

> arthritis came back forcibly....any thoughts on this?

Metals can cause the immune system to malfunction, try testing for metals

and if mercury is a problem then go through a detox program. Could also be a

bacteria problem, maybe bacteria was released during the dental work.

>

> What prompted me to join the list is that I've heard about minocycline as

> a treatment for RA but can't find anyobe in England who will give it any

> consideration whatsoever. Any thoughts on that?

Any british people on the list?

>

>

> I've also just heard about CMO (whose chemical name I didn't bring with me

> this afternoon). There is web site but currently its being reset up - so

> no info there either (its www.cmocure.net). Any information on this

> product?

Its a scam

> I'd be very gratefull for any help. The UK seems to be a bit behind on

> such matters - better to go on poisoning the patients on the well known

> cures than give them a chance to improve on - eg tetracycline!

>

>

>

> na Rostas

> Cambridge

> UK

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Hi na

At last another Brit! I live in N. Yorkshire and have had sero-negative RA

for about 3 years. I found the rheumatic.org site and read all I could about

AP therapy, then I got the book 'The New Arthritis Breakthrough' (A must!).

When I put it to my Rh Doc about this therapy she was very sceptical

initially, but at my last appointment she said I could try the treatment if

I wanted. I am on Methotrexate 12.5mg weekly, which she said was up to me

if I stopped it or not, so I am hoping to reduce it gradually. I started

the AP therapy 3 weeks ago and I am on Tetracycline 250mg x 2 daily for 4

weeks then I will move up to 2 daily. I'm not sure whether I have seen any

effects yet. I had a very bad D & V the other day, a bug I had obviously

picked up, and lost a lot of fluid. I think it flushed out a lot of toxins

and believe it or not my joints felt tons better, but they are bad again at

the moment. My GP is very supportive of this treatment even though she

doesnt know much about it, but what is there to lose by trying it - and

probably everything to gain! This is a brilliant support group and everyone

is very helpful and friendly. Ask any questions at all, someone always

responds.

I suggest you print off the FAQ's and give a copy to your GP to read and

maybe even your Rh Doc. Apparantly a Dr Macworth Young at Charing Cross

hospital is doing trials into this treatment. The Dr's name I was given who

treats people in this country is Dr Graham A.W. Hornett

The Surgery

Wonersh

Guilford

Surrey

GU5 OPE

Tel: 01483 898123

e-mail Surgery@...

I wrote to him and he both rang and wrote back to me, and suggested the

treatment I am on (its the one he puts his patients on). My GP has also

contacted him and he has even offered to see me if I wish. (its a long way

from N.Yorksh. to Surrey so I'll hold off unless I really need to see him).

I hope I haven't rambled and this is of any use to you. Take care and go

for it!!!

Please feel free to e-mail me any time if I can be of help, having said that

I'm very new to this myself so this site is where you can get most

information.

Bye for now

Carol :-)

rheumatic R Arthritis

>From: " S.E. Rostas " <ser12@...>

>

>I have just joined this list and don't quite know what to expect!

>

>I have had sero negative RA for about a year and a half. It has recently

>been largely in remission taking sulfasalazine and volterol (declofenac).

>

>However I'm currently suddenly much worse and wondering why.

>

>I read something about avoiding mercury and it occurred to me that I did

>have to have a filling in my tooth replaced just about at the time that my

>arthritis came back forcibly....any thoughts on this?

>

>

>What prompted me to join the list is that I've heard about minocycline as

>a treatment for RA but can't find anyobe in England who will give it any

>consideration whatsoever. Any thoughts on that?

>

>

>I've also just heard about CMO (whose chemical name I didn't bring with me

>this afternoon). There is web site but currently its being reset up - so

>no info there either (its www.cmocure.net). Any information on this

>product?

>

>

>I'd be very gratefull for any help. The UK seems to be a bit behind on

>such matters - better to go on poisoning the patients on the well known

>cures than give them a chance to improve on - eg tetracycline!

>

>

>

>na Rostas

>Cambridge

>UK

>

>

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Hi

I'm here. I have replied to na. I've haven't opened my email for a

couple of days as I've had a tummy bug. (both ends kind) I lost 5lb

overnight and I'm not very big to start with! Interestingly enough after I

lost so much fluid for a couple of days after I felt great, as in no aches

and pains. Could I have flushed out a lot of toxins do you think or is that

too simplistic? Then a couple of days later the pain came back again with a

vengeance!

Bye for now

Carol

Re: rheumatic R Arthritis

>From: Bob Fain <BobFain@...>

>

>WHERE IS CAROL WILKE? na, Welcome to this family. And that is

probably

>what it will become for you. Carol is somewhere in England - I don't know

where

>exactly, but if she is on the computer today and reads your message, you

can be

>assured you will hear from her. If she is away, then go ahead and e-mail

her.

>Her net address is carol@... If I remember

correctly,

>she is RA. Also, if you request, there is a list of doctors around this

world

>who practice AP on this site. I am sure that really comes in handy for

some.

>You will probably get a lot of e-mails also telling you that it is not

uncommonn

>to be sero negative and still have it. I will leave all the other

questions up

>to the expert oldtimers here. My only advice to you is to not hesitate to

write

>any question, no matter how silly you think it might be. Been there and

done

>that and I can guarantee that the more you put in here and ask, the closer

you

>will be to all and most importantly, the most informed you will be to

tackle

>your illness. I continually tell my husband that I could have made it

without

>the help and support and just plain common sense and human kindness. None

of

>these here are willing to just lie down and give up and go along with

anything

>told them. They are a challenge for any doctor! Love,

>

> wrote:

>

>> From: " " <veggie@...>

>>

>> rheumatic R Arthritis

>>

>> > From: " S.E. Rostas " <ser12@...>

>> >

>> > I have just joined this list and don't quite know what to expect!

>>

>> Oh oh!

>>

>> > I have had sero negative RA for about a year and a half. It has

recently

>> > been largely in remission taking sulfasalazine and volterol

(declofenac).

>>

>> Thats not remmission, thats keeping the sleeping giant contained. ,

>>

>> > However I'm currently suddenly much worse and wondering why.

>> >

>> Your body has adjusted to the drugs you are currently taking and you will

>> have to change meds. This is very common.

>>

>> > I read something about avoiding mercury and it occurred to me that I

did

>> > have to have a filling in my tooth replaced just about at the time that

my

>> > arthritis came back forcibly....any thoughts on this?

>>

>> Metals can cause the immune system to malfunction, try testing for metals

>> and if mercury is a problem then go through a detox program. Could also

be a

>> bacteria problem, maybe bacteria was released during the dental work.

>>

>> >

>> > What prompted me to join the list is that I've heard about minocycline

as

>> > a treatment for RA but can't find anyobe in England who will give it

any

>> > consideration whatsoever. Any thoughts on that?

>>

>> Any british people on the list?

>>

>> >

>> >

>> > I've also just heard about CMO (whose chemical name I didn't bring with

me

>> > this afternoon). There is web site but currently its being reset up -

so

>> > no info there either (its www.cmocure.net). Any information on this

>> > product?

>>

>> Its a scam

>>

>> > I'd be very gratefull for any help. The UK seems to be a bit behind on

>> > such matters - better to go on poisoning the patients on the well known

>> > cures than give them a chance to improve on - eg tetracycline!

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > na Rostas

>> > Cambridge

>> > UK

>>

>>

>>

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Hi, Again,Carol. I should have kept reading my e-mail before sending you the

other note. I'll bet the VENGENCE is the beginning of the Herx. I cannot

describe it to you except to liken it to what must be an all expense paid

excusion into hell. If disease is in the brain, no wonder the headaches,

blurred vision, unble to recall or add or subtract during herxes. If it is in

the digestive system, why not the " flu like symptoms " described in our reading

material? I had terrible diarrhea at first, then it just suddenly stopped. I

have been through two herxes, neither of them the same intensity or in the same

places. On another note, I did go with my husband today and purchased my world

map in order to flag where each of you are. I paid $4.00 for it and it will fit

nicely on the wall beside my computer. What a world traveler I am becoming!

Hang in there!

Carol Wilkie wrote:

> From: " Carol Wilkie " <carol@...>

>

> Hi

> I'm here. I have replied to na. I've haven't opened my email for a

> couple of days as I've had a tummy bug. (both ends kind) I lost 5lb

> overnight and I'm not very big to start with! Interestingly enough after I

> lost so much fluid for a couple of days after I felt great, as in no aches

> and pains. Could I have flushed out a lot of toxins do you think or is that

> too simplistic? Then a couple of days later the pain came back again with a

> vengeance!

> Bye for now

> Carol

> Re: rheumatic R Arthritis

>

> >From: Bob Fain <BobFain@...>

> >

> >WHERE IS CAROL WILKE? na, Welcome to this family. And that is

> probably

> >what it will become for you. Carol is somewhere in England - I don't know

> where

> >exactly, but if she is on the computer today and reads your message, you

> can be

> >assured you will hear from her. If she is away, then go ahead and e-mail

> her.

> >Her net address is carol@... If I remember

> correctly,

> >she is RA. Also, if you request, there is a list of doctors around this

> world

> >who practice AP on this site. I am sure that really comes in handy for

> some.

> >You will probably get a lot of e-mails also telling you that it is not

> uncommonn

> >to be sero negative and still have it. I will leave all the other

> questions up

> >to the expert oldtimers here. My only advice to you is to not hesitate to

> write

> >any question, no matter how silly you think it might be. Been there and

> done

> >that and I can guarantee that the more you put in here and ask, the closer

> you

> >will be to all and most importantly, the most informed you will be to

> tackle

> >your illness. I continually tell my husband that I could have made it

> without

> >the help and support and just plain common sense and human kindness. None

> of

> >these here are willing to just lie down and give up and go along with

> anything

> >told them. They are a challenge for any doctor! Love,

> >

> > wrote:

> >

> >> From: " " <veggie@...>

> >>

> >> rheumatic R Arthritis

> >>

> >> > From: " S.E. Rostas " <ser12@...>

> >> >

> >> > I have just joined this list and don't quite know what to expect!

> >>

> >> Oh oh!

> >>

> >> > I have had sero negative RA for about a year and a half. It has

> recently

> >> > been largely in remission taking sulfasalazine and volterol

> (declofenac).

> >>

> >> Thats not remmission, thats keeping the sleeping giant contained. ,

> >>

> >> > However I'm currently suddenly much worse and wondering why.

> >> >

> >> Your body has adjusted to the drugs you are currently taking and you will

> >> have to change meds. This is very common.

> >>

> >> > I read something about avoiding mercury and it occurred to me that I

> did

> >> > have to have a filling in my tooth replaced just about at the time that

> my

> >> > arthritis came back forcibly....any thoughts on this?

> >>

> >> Metals can cause the immune system to malfunction, try testing for metals

> >> and if mercury is a problem then go through a detox program. Could also

> be a

> >> bacteria problem, maybe bacteria was released during the dental work.

> >>

> >> >

> >> > What prompted me to join the list is that I've heard about minocycline

> as

> >> > a treatment for RA but can't find anyobe in England who will give it

> any

> >> > consideration whatsoever. Any thoughts on that?

> >>

> >> Any british people on the list?

> >>

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > I've also just heard about CMO (whose chemical name I didn't bring with

> me

> >> > this afternoon). There is web site but currently its being reset up -

> so

> >> > no info there either (its www.cmocure.net). Any information on this

> >> > product?

> >>

> >> Its a scam

> >>

> >> > I'd be very gratefull for any help. The UK seems to be a bit behind on

> >> > such matters - better to go on poisoning the patients on the well known

> >> > cures than give them a chance to improve on - eg tetracycline!

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > na Rostas

> >> > Cambridge

> >> > UK

> >>

> >>

> >>

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Maybe your immune system was busy fighting your other bug and gave your ra a

couple days off.

rheumatic R Arthritis

> >>

> >> > From: " S.E. Rostas " <ser12@...>

> >> >

> >> > I have just joined this list and don't quite know what to expect!

> >>

> >> Oh oh!

> >>

> >> > I have had sero negative RA for about a year and a half. It has

> recently

> >> > been largely in remission taking sulfasalazine and volterol

> (declofenac).

> >>

> >> Thats not remmission, thats keeping the sleeping giant contained. ,

> >>

> >> > However I'm currently suddenly much worse and wondering why.

> >> >

> >> Your body has adjusted to the drugs you are currently taking and you

will

> >> have to change meds. This is very common.

> >>

> >> > I read something about avoiding mercury and it occurred to me that I

> did

> >> > have to have a filling in my tooth replaced just about at the time

that

> my

> >> > arthritis came back forcibly....any thoughts on this?

> >>

> >> Metals can cause the immune system to malfunction, try testing for

metals

> >> and if mercury is a problem then go through a detox program. Could also

> be a

> >> bacteria problem, maybe bacteria was released during the dental work.

> >>

> >> >

> >> > What prompted me to join the list is that I've heard about

minocycline

> as

> >> > a treatment for RA but can't find anyobe in England who will give it

> any

> >> > consideration whatsoever. Any thoughts on that?

> >>

> >> Any british people on the list?

> >>

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > I've also just heard about CMO (whose chemical name I didn't bring

with

> me

> >> > this afternoon). There is web site but currently its being reset up -

> so

> >> > no info there either (its www.cmocure.net). Any information on this

> >> > product?

> >>

> >> Its a scam

> >>

> >> > I'd be very gratefull for any help. The UK seems to be a bit behind

on

> >> > such matters - better to go on poisoning the patients on the well

known

> >> > cures than give them a chance to improve on - eg tetracycline!

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > na Rostas

> >> > Cambridge

> >> > UK

> >>

> >>

> >>

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> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 20:40:44 -0000

> From: " Carol Wilkie " <carol@...>

> Subject: Re: R Arthritis

>

> Hi

> I'm here. I have replied to na. I've haven't opened my email

for a

> couple of days as I've had a tummy bug. (both ends kind) I lost 5lb

> overnight and I'm not very big to start with! Interestingly enough

after I

> lost so much fluid for a couple of days after I felt great, as in no

aches

> and pains. Could I have flushed out a lot of toxins do you think or

is that

> too simplistic? Then a couple of days later the pain came back again

with a

> vengeance!

> Bye for now

> Carol

Sorry - too simplistic. When the body is fasted, etc., it releases extra

quantities of its own corticosteroids. You've experienced a " natural "

relief that will be short-lived.

Some folks make the mistake of trying to extend this sort of finding and

end up starving themselves to escape the pain. That is a short-term

no-gain solution that will get you in trouble - don't do it. Just be

glad for the brief " detox " .

BTW - that *IS* a detox and if you are considering altering your diet as

a means of helping control the disease, you can make very good use of

where you are now. :)

HTH!

Regards,

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Dear na

The 'frequently asked questions' can be accessed from the rheumatic.org

site. I had them sent to me automatically for some reason and then just

printed them off. I know exactly how you feel re the RH doc. Although I am

lucky my GP (also female) is being very supportive. Having said that if it

wasn't for this site I would be floundering. Because my GP and Rh doc don't

know much about this treatment I am getting all my advice for them about it

from the site. Do you have an Rh specialist nurse who you see? I sent as

much information as I could to her and enlisted her help as she was willing

to listen. I don't know what to suggest on how you can get them to even

listen, just persevere by sending them stuff to read, especially your GP.

It may even be worth writing to Dr Hornett, or get your GP to. She may be

happier knowing someone in this country is using this treatment. I just

kept telling my medical lot 'what have I got to lose by trying it!'

Good luck and keep in touch.

Carol

rheumatic R Arthritis

>>

>>

>> >From: " S.E. Rostas " <ser12@...>

>> >

>> >I have just joined this list and don't quite know what to expect!

>> >

>> >I have had sero negative RA for about a year and a half. It has recently

>> >been largely in remission taking sulfasalazine and volterol

(declofenac).

>> >

>> >However I'm currently suddenly much worse and wondering why.

>> >

>> >I read something about avoiding mercury and it occurred to me that I did

>> >have to have a filling in my tooth replaced just about at the time that

my

>> >arthritis came back forcibly....any thoughts on this?

>> >

>> >

>> >What prompted me to join the list is that I've heard about minocycline

as

>> >a treatment for RA but can't find anyobe in England who will give it any

>> >consideration whatsoever. Any thoughts on that?

>> >

>> >

>> >I've also just heard about CMO (whose chemical name I didn't bring with

me

>> >this afternoon). There is web site but currently its being reset up - so

>> >no info there either (its www.cmocure.net). Any information on this

>> >product?

>> >

>> >

>> >I'd be very gratefull for any help. The UK seems to be a bit behind on

>> >such matters - better to go on poisoning the patients on the well known

>> >cures than give them a chance to improve on - eg tetracycline!

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >na Rostas

>> >Cambridge

>> >UK

>> >

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I have onelist set up to mail the FAQ to the group every month. this is for the

benefit of new people and also to prompt everyone to remind themselves of its

contents on a regular basis.

Chris.

>From: " Carol Wilkie " <carol@...>

>The 'frequently asked questions' can be accessed from the rheumatic.org

>site. I had them sent to me automatically for some reason and then just

>printed them off. I know exactly how you feel re the RH doc.

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Dear na

I'm actually on Tetracycline, not minocycline. I've just been told by my GP

(who got a letter back from Dr Hornett) saying I can up my dose to 250mg x 2

daily. It will be interesting to see if it causes a herx. I believe that

the effect doesn't wear off but you may still get flares or the herximer

reaction, even while on the AP. I'm sure others who know a lot more about

this will reply to this one for you. I'm still very new to it myself. I

know that if the Tetracycline that I am taking doesn't seem to be working

(Dr Hornett wrote that it can take AT LEAST six months before you notice any

difference) then we may look at maybe changing to a different antibiotic,

but certainly not for at least that.

If it is working then I understand you can stay on the same one for years,

or thats how I understood it from H. Scammels book. Don't worry about being

wingey, we all get like that. I had hoped to be going back to work after

half term, then my knee decided to pack up on me this morning (I'm a theatre

nurse), and standing all day won't do it any good, so I'm off for yet

another month. Luckily I've got some good books to read!

Bye for now

Carol

rheumatic R Arthritis

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> >From: " S.E. Rostas " <ser12@...>

>> >> >

>> >> >I have just joined this list and don't quite know what to expect!

>> >> >

>> >> >I have had sero negative RA for about a year and a half. It has

recently

>> >> >been largely in remission taking sulfasalazine and volterol

>> (declofenac).

>> >> >

>> >> >However I'm currently suddenly much worse and wondering why.

>> >> >

>> >> >I read something about avoiding mercury and it occurred to me that I

did

>> >> >have to have a filling in my tooth replaced just about at the time

that

>> my

>> >> >arthritis came back forcibly....any thoughts on this?

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> >What prompted me to join the list is that I've heard about

minocycline

>> as

>> >> >a treatment for RA but can't find anyobe in England who will give it

any

>> >> >consideration whatsoever. Any thoughts on that?

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> >I've also just heard about CMO (whose chemical name I didn't bring

with

>> me

>> >> >this afternoon). There is web site but currently its being reset up -

so

>> >> >no info there either (its www.cmocure.net). Any information on this

>> >> >product?

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> >I'd be very gratefull for any help. The UK seems to be a bit behind

on

>> >> >such matters - better to go on poisoning the patients on the well

known

>> >> >cures than give them a chance to improve on - eg tetracycline!

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> >na Rostas

>> >> >Cambridge

>> >> >UK

>> >> >

>> >> >

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I have written this before and some criticized me but....

There is research which shows that several of the mycoplasmas have developed

resistance to tetracycline. Therefore the docs who are treating mycoplasma

infections are starting with doxycycline or minocycline - still in the

tetracycline family but a newer drug. Personally, I wouldn't want to take

tetracycline for 6 months for fear I would be wasting time.

a Carnes

> From: " Carol Wilkie " <carol@...>

>

> Dear na

> I'm actually on Tetracycline, not minocycline. I've just been told by my

GP

> (who got a letter back from Dr Hornett) saying I can up my dose to 250mg x

2

> daily. It will be interesting to see if it causes a herx. I believe that

> the effect doesn't wear off but you may still get flares or the herximer

> reaction, even while on the AP. I'm sure others who know a lot more about

> this will reply to this one for you. I'm still very new to it myself. I

> know that if the Tetracycline that I am taking doesn't seem to be working

> (Dr Hornett wrote that it can take AT LEAST six months before you notice

any

> difference) then we may look at maybe changing to a different antibiotic,

> but certainly not for at least that.

> If it is working then I understand you can stay on the same one for years,

> or thats how I understood it from H. Scammels book. Don't worry about

being

> wingey, we all get like that. I had hoped to be going back to work after

> half term, then my knee decided to pack up on me this morning (I'm a

theatre

> nurse), and standing all day won't do it any good, so I'm off for yet

> another month. Luckily I've got some good books to read!

> Bye for now

> Carol

> rheumatic R Arthritis

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >> >From: " S.E. Rostas " <ser12@...>

> >> >> >

> >> >> >I have just joined this list and don't quite know what to expect!

> >> >> >

> >> >> >I have had sero negative RA for about a year and a half. It has

> recently

> >> >> >been largely in remission taking sulfasalazine and volterol

> >> (declofenac).

> >> >> >

> >> >> >However I'm currently suddenly much worse and wondering why.

> >> >> >

> >> >> >I read something about avoiding mercury and it occurred to me that

I

> did

> >> >> >have to have a filling in my tooth replaced just about at the time

> that

> >> my

> >> >> >arthritis came back forcibly....any thoughts on this?

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >What prompted me to join the list is that I've heard about

> minocycline

> >> as

> >> >> >a treatment for RA but can't find anyobe in England who will give

it

> any

> >> >> >consideration whatsoever. Any thoughts on that?

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >I've also just heard about CMO (whose chemical name I didn't bring

> with

> >> me

> >> >> >this afternoon). There is web site but currently its being reset

up -

> so

> >> >> >no info there either (its www.cmocure.net). Any information on this

> >> >> >product?

> >> >> >

> >> >> >

> >> >> >I'd be very gratefull for any help. The UK seems to be a bit behind

> on

> >> >> >such matters - better to go on poisoning the patients on the well

> known

> >> >> >cures than give them a chance to improve on - eg tetracycline!

> >> >> >

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> From: SC <sasc@...>

>

> Could you send us some of the research on which tetracyclines

> mycoplasmas are becoming resistant too? Seems like something we should

> have in our info arsenal.

I think the research articles I had on this were not ones I found on the

internet, as I have known this for a long time prior to even having an

internet connection. My recollection of this is that the first generation

of tetracyclines which are called tetracycline are NOT effective. But the

doxycycline and minocycline are FINE. I am sorry I can't locate this but

you will note that Nicolson never mentions using tetracycline, just the

doxycycline and minocycline from that tetracylcine family. You understand

that even antibiotics in the same family are not identical and some are more

effective than others.

Here are a couple more quotes I found while hunting for what you wanted.

> GREPAFLOXACIN POTENT IN VITRO AGAINST MYCOPLASMA, UREAPLASMA STRAINS

> The new oral fluoroquinolone grepafloxacin appears to be among the most

> active antibiotics in its class against Mycoplasma and Ureaplasma species.

> http://id.medscape.com/4256.rhtml

>

Dr. Nicholson had updated his treatment protocol. It

> can be found at http://www.immed.org. I also spoke

> with him briefly on the phone and he said that many

> people take two antibiotics at the same time. I asked

> him which two and he stated Doxycycline and

> Sparfloxacin. He also said that those with positive

> viral testing use Famvir the first two weeks of a 6

> week cycle. He also told me that for the first 6

> months to take the antibiotics continually, and than

> take them 6 weeks on, two off.

Hope this helps some,

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Hi a

I can see your point about not wasting the time, unfortunately I have to

take what my GP is prepared to give me. The Dr in Britain who is most

experienced in this treatment gives this to his patients and recommended it.

The reason he tends to stay clear of Minocycline is because of the risk of

side effects (his words). I'm just grateful someone is willing to listen

and let me have the AP. At least now I'm started on it and have my GP

willing to let me try this treatment (and my Rh doc) I can maybe suggest

alternatives if I feel nothing is happening.

Carol

ps. I'm starting my daily Tetracycline from monday 250mg x2 daily which I've

been told I can take as one dose or 2 whichever I want. Any suggestions on

this?

rheumatic R Arthritis

>> >> >>

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >From: " S.E. Rostas " <ser12@...>

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >I have just joined this list and don't quite know what to expect!

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >I have had sero negative RA for about a year and a half. It has

>> recently

>> >> >> >been largely in remission taking sulfasalazine and volterol

>> >> (declofenac).

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >However I'm currently suddenly much worse and wondering why.

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >I read something about avoiding mercury and it occurred to me that

>I

>> did

>> >> >> >have to have a filling in my tooth replaced just about at the time

>> that

>> >> my

>> >> >> >arthritis came back forcibly....any thoughts on this?

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >What prompted me to join the list is that I've heard about

>> minocycline

>> >> as

>> >> >> >a treatment for RA but can't find anyobe in England who will give

>it

>> any

>> >> >> >consideration whatsoever. Any thoughts on that?

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >I've also just heard about CMO (whose chemical name I didn't bring

>> with

>> >> me

>> >> >> >this afternoon). There is web site but currently its being reset

>up -

>> so

>> >> >> >no info there either (its www.cmocure.net). Any information on

this

>> >> >> >product?

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> >I'd be very gratefull for any help. The UK seems to be a bit

behind

>> on

>> >> >> >such matters - better to go on poisoning the patients on the well

>> known

>> >> >> >cures than give them a chance to improve on - eg tetracycline!

>> >> >> >

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Can I jump in here? THE NEW ARTHRITIS BREAKTHROUGH, Page 261 says, the

prolonged use of most antibiotics can indeed give eventual rise to an immune

strain of germ. ...Tetracycline is different from all other antibiotics in that

critical aspect: it affects the core of the germ...and therefore no immune

strain of germs ever develops as a result of its use. pg. 290 talks about how

over 40 years, Dr. Brown did not see any toxic effect in anybody. pg. 291.

regarding d-penicillamine....for the first year helped....proved transitory.

....can cause problems with blood cell production in the bone marrow... " I have

loaned out my book SCLERADERMA so I don't have that to peruse. I WILL say that

Doctor Sinnott in Iowa, personally told me that the reason he uses Minocin is as

explained above. He explained that Minicon IS tetracycline, only a newer,

kinder form for one who is going to be doing this a long time.

Now, where I want to really jump in and ask you guys, is rather than trying

this or that, why are you not using the Minocin or Minocyline along with the IV

Clindamycin or oral Clindamycin for the extra jump starts if the one alone is

not giving the wanted results? Doctor Sinnott explained to me personally that

if a patient is sick enough with symptoms to come to him, they are sick enough

to warrant the clindamycin. (I do hate quoting people from my conversations.)

What are you guys thoughts?

a Carnes wrote:

> From: a Carnes <paulajeanne@...>

>

> > From: SC <sasc@...>

> >

> > Could you send us some of the research on which tetracyclines

> > mycoplasmas are becoming resistant too? Seems like something we should

> > have in our info arsenal.

>

> I think the research articles I had on this were not ones I found on the

> internet, as I have known this for a long time prior to even having an

> internet connection. My recollection of this is that the first generation

> of tetracyclines which are called tetracycline are NOT effective. But the

> doxycycline and minocycline are FINE. I am sorry I can't locate this but

> you will note that Nicolson never mentions using tetracycline, just the

> doxycycline and minocycline from that tetracylcine family. You understand

> that even antibiotics in the same family are not identical and some are more

> effective than others.

> Here are a couple more quotes I found while hunting for what you wanted.

>

> > GREPAFLOXACIN POTENT IN VITRO AGAINST MYCOPLASMA, UREAPLASMA STRAINS

> > The new oral fluoroquinolone grepafloxacin appears to be among the most

> > active antibiotics in its class against Mycoplasma and Ureaplasma species.

> > http://id.medscape.com/4256.rhtml

> >

> Dr. Nicholson had updated his treatment protocol. It

> > can be found at http://www.immed.org. I also spoke

> > with him briefly on the phone and he said that many

> > people take two antibiotics at the same time. I asked

> > him which two and he stated Doxycycline and

> > Sparfloxacin. He also said that those with positive

> > viral testing use Famvir the first two weeks of a 6

> > week cycle. He also told me that for the first 6

> > months to take the antibiotics continually, and than

> > take them 6 weeks on, two off.

>

> Hope this helps some,

> a Carnes

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> I can see your point about not wasting the time, unfortunately I have to

> take what my GP is prepared to give me. The Dr in Britain who is most

> experienced in this treatment gives this to his patients and recommended

it.

Hi Carol, Don't be discouraged, I had a lot of improvement with just plain

old tetracycline hydrochloride. It did not clear up the RA in all my

joints, but I definitely had a herx reaction to it, and after two months,

improvement in fatigue and sleep disturbance, followed by a near remission

of awfully debilitating pain and swelling in my hands and feet after several

more months. I started on this, because I had read The Road Back and

requested tetracycline, and although my doctor had heard of using minocin,

my insurance would not cover it. Later, I tried generic minocycline after

joining the list here, and could not take it because of a strong reaction to

it. Perhaps if you enjoy the same improvements from the tetracycline as I

did, you doctor will be willing to go on to another other antibiotics if

needed, once they see that the treatment does work, as my doctor did.

I say this not to criticize you, a C., but because it is important for

people to realize that just because there are resistant strains of some

mycoplasmas developing out there, that does not necessarily mean that all

individuals of all strains have developed resistance. If you can get the

newer antibiotics, all the better your chances to wipe it out faster. It is

rarely a fast treatment with RA in any event, especially if the RA is severe

or long-standing. If the doctor involved will offer tetracycline and nothing

else, it is worth a shot to try it. You can always add the other antibiotics

later.

I would not give up the resolution it has given me of a lifetime of sleep

disturbance and the awful resulting fatigue for anything in the world. Last

spring I felt better and more alive than I had in over 20 years, and while I

still have some bad problems with some of my joints, I continue to feel much

more human, and have more energy, less depression and pain, and last and

most importantly, *hope* to see an end in sight to a lifetime of ill health.

It was definitely the tetracycline that brought this to me, it creeps back

in if I try and stop it for more than a week. If I had tried minocycline

first, I may not have continued because of my reaction to it, and I would

still be suffering from this and the awful toll it was taking on my life and

my family's happiness. I have now added Biaxin in hopes of continued

improvement, and am flaring up badly. I believe it is a herx reaction to

it, as I experienced similar reactions to the tetracycline in my feet before

it turned around to bring a great improvement for a time in all my joints.

I started the tetracycline at 4x 250 per day, every day--my doctor was not

" up " on the protocol and this is what he recommended. It worked fine for

me, except that the reaction in my feet and hands was hard to deal with at

times, not being able to walk more than about a city block at a stretch at

the worst, not being able to turn a doorknob or open a jar unassisted for

awhile. I would go on and give it a try at that dosage, just my personal

opinion, because it may not be as strong as the minocin, but be ready to cut

back to every other day, or even one 250mg every other day if it produces

too strong a reaction for you. Just my opinion, and if some of our veterans

like or Ethel recommend otherwise, do follow their advice instead, as

I am just one person who has done it, and they have seem many, many people

successfully through this.

Don't forget to drink lots and lots of water and eat loads of vegetables

to feel you best and help speed the healing. B-vitamins and fish oils have

also helped me. Best of luck to you with it, and please write me if I can

ever be of any help or encouragement. Sincerely, Liz G

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do you know if Dr Sinnott recommends daily or MWF Minocin?

Thanks,

Bob Fain wrote:

>

> From: Bob Fain <BobFain@...>

>

> Can I jump in here? THE NEW ARTHRITIS BREAKTHROUGH, Page 261 says, the

> prolonged use of most antibiotics can indeed give eventual rise to an immune

> strain of germ. ...Tetracycline is different from all other antibiotics in

that

> critical aspect: it affects the core of the germ...and therefore no immune

> strain of germs ever develops as a result of its use. pg. 290 talks about how

> over 40 years, Dr. Brown did not see any toxic effect in anybody. pg. 291.

> regarding d-penicillamine....for the first year helped....proved transitory.

> ...can cause problems with blood cell production in the bone marrow... " I

have

> loaned out my book SCLERADERMA so I don't have that to peruse. I WILL say

that

> Doctor Sinnott in Iowa, personally told me that the reason he uses Minocin is

as

> explained above. He explained that Minicon IS tetracycline, only a newer,

> kinder form for one who is going to be doing this a long time.

> Now, where I want to really jump in and ask you guys, is rather than

trying

> this or that, why are you not using the Minocin or Minocyline along with the

IV

> Clindamycin or oral Clindamycin for the extra jump starts if the one alone is

> not giving the wanted results? Doctor Sinnott explained to me personally that

> if a patient is sick enough with symptoms to come to him, they are sick enough

> to warrant the clindamycin. (I do hate quoting people from my conversations.)

> What are you guys thoughts?

>

> a Carnes wrote:

>

> > From: a Carnes <paulajeanne@...>

> >

> > > From: SC <sasc@...>

> > >

> > > Could you send us some of the research on which tetracyclines

> > > mycoplasmas are becoming resistant too? Seems like something we should

> > > have in our info arsenal.

> >

> > I think the research articles I had on this were not ones I found on the

> > internet, as I have known this for a long time prior to even having an

> > internet connection. My recollection of this is that the first generation

> > of tetracyclines which are called tetracycline are NOT effective. But the

> > doxycycline and minocycline are FINE. I am sorry I can't locate this but

> > you will note that Nicolson never mentions using tetracycline, just the

> > doxycycline and minocycline from that tetracylcine family. You understand

> > that even antibiotics in the same family are not identical and some are more

> > effective than others.

> > Here are a couple more quotes I found while hunting for what you wanted.

> >

> > > GREPAFLOXACIN POTENT IN VITRO AGAINST MYCOPLASMA, UREAPLASMA STRAINS

> > > The new oral fluoroquinolone grepafloxacin appears to be among the most

> > > active antibiotics in its class against Mycoplasma and Ureaplasma species.

> > > http://id.medscape.com/4256.rhtml

> > >

> > Dr. Nicholson had updated his treatment protocol. It

> > > can be found at http://www.immed.org. I also spoke

> > > with him briefly on the phone and he said that many

> > > people take two antibiotics at the same time. I asked

> > > him which two and he stated Doxycycline and

> > > Sparfloxacin. He also said that those with positive

> > > viral testing use Famvir the first two weeks of a 6

> > > week cycle. He also told me that for the first 6

> > > months to take the antibiotics continually, and than

> > > take them 6 weeks on, two off.

> >

> > Hope this helps some,

> > a Carnes

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Liz: How much Biaxin are you taking along with the Minocin? I'm sure you've

discussed this before but please bear with me. I had taken Biaxin once

before for a sinus infection and thought it was a God-send. Since I suffer

from chronic sinus problems (now have a nasty cold and, as usual, am all

blocked up), I am interested in how you added this to your regimine.

Thanks!

Babs

RA 8/98, DX 4/99, AP 11/99

200 mg. Minocin

2.5 mg. Methotrexate

112 mcg. Synthroid

2 mg. Hytrin

10 mg. Lipitor

Mestinon

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Thanks Liz

Your encouragement is gratefully accepted. I may not up the Tetracycline to

x4 daily just yet and might just see how I get on. My GP is quite happy for

me to be on this treatment so she may be willing to let me up the dose or

change when I want to. I'll let you know how things progress. I always

considered myself to be classed as mild to moderate disease, but after my

knees packed up on me this weekend I'm not so sure. I can hardly believe I

started about 3 years ago with one swollen index finger and sore bits on my

back and now I can hardly walk some days. Still musn't grumble!!!

Thanks

Carol

Re: rheumatic R Arthritis

>From: " Liz G. " <pioneer@...>

>

>

>> I can see your point about not wasting the time, unfortunately I have to

>> take what my GP is prepared to give me. The Dr in Britain who is most

>> experienced in this treatment gives this to his patients and recommended

>it.

>

>Hi Carol, Don't be discouraged, I had a lot of improvement with just plain

>old tetracycline hydrochloride. It did not clear up the RA in all my

>joints, but I definitely had a herx reaction to it, and after two months,

>improvement in fatigue and sleep disturbance, followed by a near remission

>of awfully debilitating pain and swelling in my hands and feet after

several

>more months. I started on this, because I had read The Road Back and

>requested tetracycline, and although my doctor had heard of using minocin,

>my insurance would not cover it. Later, I tried generic minocycline after

>joining the list here, and could not take it because of a strong reaction

to

>it. Perhaps if you enjoy the same improvements from the tetracycline as I

>did, you doctor will be willing to go on to another other antibiotics if

>needed, once they see that the treatment does work, as my doctor did.

>I say this not to criticize you, a C., but because it is important for

>people to realize that just because there are resistant strains of some

>mycoplasmas developing out there, that does not necessarily mean that all

>individuals of all strains have developed resistance. If you can get the

>newer antibiotics, all the better your chances to wipe it out faster. It is

>rarely a fast treatment with RA in any event, especially if the RA is

severe

>or long-standing. If the doctor involved will offer tetracycline and

nothing

>else, it is worth a shot to try it. You can always add the other

antibiotics

>later.

> I would not give up the resolution it has given me of a lifetime of sleep

>disturbance and the awful resulting fatigue for anything in the world.

Last

>spring I felt better and more alive than I had in over 20 years, and while

I

>still have some bad problems with some of my joints, I continue to feel

much

>more human, and have more energy, less depression and pain, and last and

>most importantly, *hope* to see an end in sight to a lifetime of ill

health.

>It was definitely the tetracycline that brought this to me, it creeps back

>in if I try and stop it for more than a week. If I had tried minocycline

>first, I may not have continued because of my reaction to it, and I would

>still be suffering from this and the awful toll it was taking on my life

and

>my family's happiness. I have now added Biaxin in hopes of continued

>improvement, and am flaring up badly. I believe it is a herx reaction to

>it, as I experienced similar reactions to the tetracycline in my feet

before

>it turned around to bring a great improvement for a time in all my joints.

> I started the tetracycline at 4x 250 per day, every day--my doctor was

not

> " up " on the protocol and this is what he recommended. It worked fine for

>me, except that the reaction in my feet and hands was hard to deal with at

>times, not being able to walk more than about a city block at a stretch at

>the worst, not being able to turn a doorknob or open a jar unassisted for

>awhile. I would go on and give it a try at that dosage, just my personal

>opinion, because it may not be as strong as the minocin, but be ready to

cut

>back to every other day, or even one 250mg every other day if it produces

>too strong a reaction for you. Just my opinion, and if some of our

veterans

>like or Ethel recommend otherwise, do follow their advice instead, as

>I am just one person who has done it, and they have seem many, many people

>successfully through this.

> Don't forget to drink lots and lots of water and eat loads of vegetables

>to feel you best and help speed the healing. B-vitamins and fish oils have

>also helped me. Best of luck to you with it, and please write me if I can

>ever be of any help or encouragement. Sincerely, Liz G

>

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- Just my thought...and I didn't take time to look this up in any

resource material. I think the difference here is the name of the disease.

I think that clindamycin is the best second drug for scleroderma. But that

those with RA can get good results from zithromax or biaxin added to their

minocycline. Judy

Re: rheumatic R Arthritis

> From: Bob Fain <BobFain@...>

>

> Can I jump in here? THE NEW ARTHRITIS BREAKTHROUGH, Page 261 says, the

> prolonged use of most antibiotics can indeed give eventual rise to an

immune

> strain of germ. ...Tetracycline is different from all other antibiotics in

that

> critical aspect: it affects the core of the germ...and therefore no immune

> strain of germs ever develops as a result of its use. pg. 290 talks about

how

> over 40 years, Dr. Brown did not see any toxic effect in anybody. pg.

291..

> regarding d-penicillamine....for the first year helped....proved

transitory..

> ..can cause problems with blood cell production in the bone marrow... " I

have

> loaned out my book SCLERADERMA so I don't have that to peruse. I WILL say

that

> Doctor Sinnott in Iowa, personally told me that the reason he uses Minocin

is as

> explained above. He explained that Minicon IS tetracycline, only a newer,

> kinder form for one who is going to be doing this a long time..

> Now, where I want to really jump in and ask you guys, is rather than

trying

> this or that, why are you not using the Minocin or Minocyline along with

the IV

> Clindamycin or oral Clindamycin for the extra jump starts if the one alone

is

> not giving the wanted results? Doctor Sinnott explained to me personally

that

> if a patient is sick enough with symptoms to come to him, they are sick

enough

> to warrant the clindamycin. (I do hate quoting people from my

conversations.)

> What are you guys thoughts?

>

> a Carnes wrote:

>

> > From: a Carnes <paulajeanne@...>

> >

> > > From: SC <sasc@...>

> > >

> > > Could you send us some of the research on which tetracyclines

> > > mycoplasmas are becoming resistant too? Seems like something we should

> > > have in our info arsenal..

> >

> > I think the research articles I had on this were not ones I found on the

> > internet, as I have known this for a long time prior to even having an

> > internet connection. My recollection of this is that the first

generation

> > of tetracyclines which are called tetracycline are NOT effective. But

the

> > doxycycline and minocycline are FINE. I am sorry I can't locate this

but

> > you will note that Nicolson never mentions using tetracycline, just the

> > doxycycline and minocycline from that tetracylcine family. You

understand

> > that even antibiotics in the same family are not identical and some are

more

> > effective than others..

> > Here are a couple more quotes I found while hunting for what you

wanted..

> >

> > > GREPAFLOXACIN POTENT IN VITRO AGAINST MYCOPLASMA, UREAPLASMA STRAINS

> > > The new oral fluoroquinolone grepafloxacin appears to be among the

most

> > > active antibiotics in its class against Mycoplasma and Ureaplasma

species..

> > > http://id.medscape.com/4256.rhtml

> > >

> > Dr. Nicholson had updated his treatment protocol. It

> > > can be found at http://www.immed.org. I also spoke

> > > with him briefly on the phone and he said that many

> > > people take two antibiotics at the same time. I asked

> > > him which two and he stated Doxycycline and

> > > Sparfloxacin. He also said that those with positive

> > > viral testing use Famvir the first two weeks of a 6

> > > week cycle. He also told me that for the first 6

> > > months to take the antibiotics continually, and than

> > > take them 6 weeks on, two off..

> >

> > Hope this helps some,

> > a Carnes

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Back to you, Judy. When I was in Iowa, that week I was the only scleraderma.

The rest were RA. I got to know one lady in particular as she and her husband

were in the motel room next to me. She went the five day clindamycin treatment

then was sent home on the oral Minocin. Her instructions were that she would

continue the Minocin and did not have to come back for more clindamycin unless

she felt she needed it. Because of my SD, I would need to do the monthly IV

clindamycin and the five day every six months along with the Minocin orals.

Same treatment - just one is hit more aggressively.

judy wiebe wrote:

> From: " judy wiebe " <deejay@...>

>

> - Just my thought...and I didn't take time to look this up in any

> resource material. I think the difference here is the name of the disease.

> I think that clindamycin is the best second drug for scleroderma. But that

> those with RA can get good results from zithromax or biaxin added to their

> minocycline. Judy

> Re: rheumatic R Arthritis

>

> > From: Bob Fain <BobFain@...>

> >

> > Can I jump in here? THE NEW ARTHRITIS BREAKTHROUGH, Page 261 says, the

> > prolonged use of most antibiotics can indeed give eventual rise to an

> immune

> > strain of germ. ...Tetracycline is different from all other antibiotics in

> that

> > critical aspect: it affects the core of the germ...and therefore no immune

> > strain of germs ever develops as a result of its use. pg. 290 talks about

> how

> > over 40 years, Dr. Brown did not see any toxic effect in anybody. pg.

> 291..

> > regarding d-penicillamine....for the first year helped....proved

> transitory..

> > ..can cause problems with blood cell production in the bone marrow... " I

> have

> > loaned out my book SCLERADERMA so I don't have that to peruse. I WILL say

> that

> > Doctor Sinnott in Iowa, personally told me that the reason he uses Minocin

> is as

> > explained above. He explained that Minicon IS tetracycline, only a newer,

> > kinder form for one who is going to be doing this a long time..

> > Now, where I want to really jump in and ask you guys, is rather than

> trying

> > this or that, why are you not using the Minocin or Minocyline along with

> the IV

> > Clindamycin or oral Clindamycin for the extra jump starts if the one alone

> is

> > not giving the wanted results? Doctor Sinnott explained to me personally

> that

> > if a patient is sick enough with symptoms to come to him, they are sick

> enough

> > to warrant the clindamycin. (I do hate quoting people from my

> conversations.)

> > What are you guys thoughts?

> >

> > a Carnes wrote:

> >

> > > From: a Carnes <paulajeanne@...>

> > >

> > > > From: SC <sasc@...>

> > > >

> > > > Could you send us some of the research on which tetracyclines

> > > > mycoplasmas are becoming resistant too? Seems like something we should

> > > > have in our info arsenal..

> > >

> > > I think the research articles I had on this were not ones I found on the

> > > internet, as I have known this for a long time prior to even having an

> > > internet connection. My recollection of this is that the first

> generation

> > > of tetracyclines which are called tetracycline are NOT effective. But

> the

> > > doxycycline and minocycline are FINE. I am sorry I can't locate this

> but

> > > you will note that Nicolson never mentions using tetracycline, just the

> > > doxycycline and minocycline from that tetracylcine family. You

> understand

> > > that even antibiotics in the same family are not identical and some are

> more

> > > effective than others..

> > > Here are a couple more quotes I found while hunting for what you

> wanted..

> > >

> > > > GREPAFLOXACIN POTENT IN VITRO AGAINST MYCOPLASMA, UREAPLASMA STRAINS

> > > > The new oral fluoroquinolone grepafloxacin appears to be among the

> most

> > > > active antibiotics in its class against Mycoplasma and Ureaplasma

> species..

> > > > http://id.medscape.com/4256.rhtml

> > > >

> > > Dr. Nicholson had updated his treatment protocol. It

> > > > can be found at http://www.immed.org. I also spoke

> > > > with him briefly on the phone and he said that many

> > > > people take two antibiotics at the same time. I asked

> > > > him which two and he stated Doxycycline and

> > > > Sparfloxacin. He also said that those with positive

> > > > viral testing use Famvir the first two weeks of a 6

> > > > week cycle. He also told me that for the first 6

> > > > months to take the antibiotics continually, and than

> > > > take them 6 weeks on, two off..

> > >

> > > Hope this helps some,

> > > a Carnes

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> Liz: How much Biaxin are you taking along with the Minocin? I'm sure

you've

> discussed this before but please bear with me.

I am still taking tetracycline as my first antibiotic, and have added

Biaxin to that. I was told to take 250 mg every other day for a week, then

go up to 2x 250 mg every other day, but after I went up to two tablets a

day, it flared me to much and started interfering with my being able to

function, so I went back down to 250 mg every MWF on the Biaxin and 2x 250mg

on the tetracycline on Tu, Th. Weekends I take off to let my body catch up

with clearing the toxins and rebuild the flora in the gut.

At first the Biaxin seemed to be helping my sinuses, I think it did clear

something there, but when I got the flu a month ago, I got an awful acute

sinus infection along with it. I was given two weeks of Septra for that and

it cleared them completely for awhile. Something seems to be coming back

there a little (some drainage, but not sore like it was with the infection)

so maybe there is still a little low-level infection going on there. When

you are taking antibiotics everyday, it is hard to believe that there could

still be other infections going on in spite of them, but my doctor said they

were probably just selecting for the resistant organisms. I think he was

right, because the Septra made a dramatic difference. This has also

convinced me of the wisdom of taking the cycles of different antibiotics

like Dr. Nicolson writes about.

One would think that with overactive immune systems, infections wouldn't

last very long, logicaly, but it seems to work the opposite. I think my

immune system is so busy attacking the joints, that other infections may not

get the attention from the immune system that is needed to completely clear

them. Either it gets diverted before the work is finished, or it is just

weakened from the constant activity. Just the way it feels to me. I have

been troubled by hard-to-clear mild chronic infections off and on throughout

my life. HTH. Liz G

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I'm not Liz, but have been on Biaxin for 8 years and recently with Minocin

too, I take 500mg 2x/day.

<< Liz: How much Biaxin are you taking along with the Minocin? I'm sure

you've

discussed this before but please bear with me. I had taken Biaxin once

before for a sinus infection and thought it was a God-send. Since I suffer

from chronic sinus problems (now have a nasty cold and, as usual, am all

blocked up), I am interested in how you added this to your regimine.

Thanks!

Babs >>

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Dear Carol,

I'm sorry I've not been in touch for the last week and a half but I've

been stuck at home, hardly able to move.

This weekend hopefully I'll be setting up a modem there and able to

e-mail more easily from now on.

How is the tretracycline treatment going? I've talked to Dr Hornett

briefly and he seems very nice and supportive. But I'm not getting

anywhere on my home ground - except that my GP did offer to read a few

articles on the treatment and I see her again on Monday. The hospital here

seems to be completely closed to it - one of the nurses claims that the

treatment is never discussed at (international) congresses etc...thus

indicating she claims that it can't be meeting with much success.

This week infact I've had a steriod injection. I can move again but feel

very shakey (not quite myself) and not very sure about things. But it was

marvellous to have a good nights sleep.

na

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Hi na

I'm sorry to hear you've been feeling so bad. I know just how you

el:(( I'm pleased you got in touch with Dr Hornett. Have you told your GP

about him? Or mentioned the trials at Charing Cross. It always helps to

name drop. My GP wrote to Dr Hornett herself, which I think helped her make

up her mind.

I've been on my Tetracycline daily now for nearly 2 weeks (3 weeks before

that MWF). I'm not sure whether it's working or not, or whether I'm having

a herx. I've felt pretty grotty at times and I'm sleeping a lot at the

moment, so maybe things are happening - fingers crossed!

Keep passing the information on to your GP especially. All I kept saying to

mine was, what have I got to lose, they give the same antibiotics all the

time to spotty teenagers with acne, so it can't hurt! Would they be

prepared to let you just try - thats what I said to mine, and luckily they

let me.

I think a steroid injection occasionally at least lets you function again

and takes the pain away for a bit, unfortunately they never seem to work for

me.

Take care and good luck, and keep us posted.

bye for now

Carol :-)

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>

>Dear Carol,

>

>I'm sorry I've not been in touch for the last week and a half but I've

>been stuck at home, hardly able to move.

>

>This weekend hopefully I'll be setting up a modem there and able to

>e-mail more easily from now on.

>

>How is the tretracycline treatment going? I've talked to Dr Hornett

>briefly and he seems very nice and supportive. But I'm not getting

>anywhere on my home ground - except that my GP did offer to read a few

>articles on the treatment and I see her again on Monday. The hospital here

>seems to be completely closed to it - one of the nurses claims that the

>treatment is never discussed at (international) congresses etc...thus

>indicating she claims that it can't be meeting with much success.

>

>This week infact I've had a steriod injection. I can move again but feel

>very shakey (not quite myself) and not very sure about things. But it was

>marvellous to have a good nights sleep.

>

>na

>

>

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Hi

I'm on Tetracycline. Which is the trade name for that particular

tetracycline. This was suggested to me because it is supposed to have less

side effects. I think it may even be beginning to work, I'm sleeping much

better, some of my joints feel a lot less stiff and painful and I have a bit

more energy than usual! This after only 5 weeks. I know I've a long way to

go yet but it's certainly made me feel a lot perkier:))

Bye

Carol

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>>

>>

>> >

>> >Dear Carol,

>> >

>> >I'm sorry I've not been in touch for the last week and a half but I've

>> >been stuck at home, hardly able to move.

>> >

>> >This weekend hopefully I'll be setting up a modem there and able to

>> >e-mail more easily from now on.

>> >

>> >How is the tretracycline treatment going? I've talked to Dr Hornett

>> >briefly and he seems very nice and supportive. But I'm not getting

>> >anywhere on my home ground - except that my GP did offer to read a few

>> >articles on the treatment and I see her again on Monday. The hospital

here

>> >seems to be completely closed to it - one of the nurses claims that the

>> >treatment is never discussed at (international) congresses etc...thus

>> >indicating she claims that it can't be meeting with much success.

>> >

>> >This week infact I've had a steriod injection. I can move again but feel

>> >very shakey (not quite myself) and not very sure about things. But it

was

>> >marvellous to have a good nights sleep.

>> >

>> >na

>> >

>> >

>>

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