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I like bananas

fine although I have always found that I'm hungry again shortly after

eating one - like Chinese food

I love 'em but try not to eat too often as I heard they were fattening -

just did a quick Google and this is what I found re different fruits. Berries I

think are best in terms of not putting on weight.

_http://www.weightlossforall.com/carbohydrates-fruit.htm_

(http://www.weightlossforall.com/carbohydrates-fruit.htm)

Mo

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Your T3/RT3 ratio is 22.4 so you are good there, btu WOW you are hypo.

Increase slowly though so you don;t cause more adrenal greif!

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More on your other testing. Y*our Stim should have doubled, it did not

which means you are primary=adrenal fatigue whihc is much better than

having secondary which would be pituitary problems. Your sodium and

potassium are BOTH too low. You need to increase potassium rich foods,

orange juice bananas and potato skins are great sources of potassium,

but if you google potassium+ foods you should be able to find alot more

that have higher potassium, and increase your sea salt. I would ask for

Aldosterone testing as well as thi may be part of your porblems wiht low

sodium.

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Someone, I think Cheri, asked whether the doc ran liver enzymes and

apparently he did.

> Any comment on those?

Actually, I asked about your liver enzymes. I've commented only on the

ones that I know about below. Glad you got some sleep.

>

> Creatinine: 1.1 <.7 - 1.3> This shows your kidneys are working ok

> Glucose serum: 70 <70-100> You're not diabetic--great number.

> BUN: 12.0 MG/DL <8.0 - 20.0> 17 is optimal; this says you're not

eating enough protein. Are you vegetarian? Cause it's hard to recover

from adrenal fatigue without adequate protein. I know you said you

didn't have much appetite, but that's also a poor liver function

symptom.

> AST: 25.0 IU/L <12.0 - 38> > ALT (SGPT): 24 IU/L <10-45> These are

your liver enzyme markers and both are within range. I would think

that's good news, and that whatever problem you've got the milk thistle

should take care of.

Barb

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Hi Barb, sorry, got in a hurry before posting and didn't have a chance

to go back to see which thread that discussion took place or who said

what. I've been eating even more protein than I usually do, which is

a lot already. My problem has been not eating enough fruits and

vegetables. I followed your advice and others and bought some

sunbutter and other protein rich snacks last night to eat at night. I

took the liver formula once today and it didn't cause me any stomach

grief which is good. I'll stick with - only two more pills to

remember to take every day I'm glad that my liver isn't obviously

messed up, but it sure does hurt up there anyway. Obviously I'm off

the charts hypo right now on only 1/2 grain of Armour so that could be

accounting for a lot of my problems. With the exception of this

weekend when I went off of the Iso, and then back on, my temps have

been holding in a tight enough range that I think that I would be safe

to start adding to my dose of Armour. I'm going to take it 1/4 grain

at a time this time instead of 1/2. I was actually already up to 1

grain/day and tolerating it OK so I have some ground to make up before

I can start gaining.

Thanks for looking over my labs.

> Someone, I think Cheri, asked whether the doc ran liver enzymes and

> apparently he did.

> > Any comment on those?

>

> Actually, I asked about your liver enzymes. I've commented only on the

> ones that I know about below.

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Of course my endo's nurse said that they were normal and I expect that

he'll say the same. She also said that my free T3 of 2.6 is normal.

Is there any reference that I can provide him to show that my stim

should have doubled? He's going to want to put me back on Synth and

Cytomel which, even if I was inclined to do it, I couldn't do without

adrenal support, but he's going to say that I don't have an adrenal

problem. It is good to know that my pituitary probably isn't

involved. He also ordered aldosterone and renin (and my request from

your suggestion) but they aren't back in yet and either is the vitamin

D and a couple of others. I am taking 1/2 tsp of Celtic sea salt

twice/day. Should I increase to 3x/day? I love orange juice but have

been avoiding it b/c of the sugar and the acidity but I'll drink more

and start eating more bananas too.

Thanks,

>

> More on your other testing. Y*our Stim should have doubled, it did not

> which means you are primary=adrenal fatigue whihc is much better than

> having secondary which would be pituitary problems. Your sodium and

> potassium are BOTH too low. You need to increase potassium rich foods,

> orange juice bananas and potato skins are great sources of potassium,

> but if you google potassium+ foods you should be able to find alot

more

> that have higher potassium, and increase your sea salt. I would ask for

> Aldosterone testing as well as thi may be part of your porblems wiht

low

> sodium.

>

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http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003696.htm#Normal%20Values

This one says you r results should stim 20points higher and yours is

just below that, but at least it is ine reference, I will look for more.

This site below is interestignin that HIGH dose ACTH stim testing

produced normal results in peole KNOW to have adrenal insufficiency and

LOW Dose ACTh testing showed the proper diagnosis. Yours looks to have

been high dose, thus is really not an accurate diagnostic tool.

http://www.jpgmonline.com/article.asp?issn=0022-3859;year=2002;volume=48;issue=4\

;spage=280;epage=2;aulast=Gandhi

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Temps got whacked out a little b/c of Sundays abstaining from Iso and

they're not stable yet - avg of 97.9 yesterday and 98.6 today with two

measurements so far so I guess that I shouldn't be messing with my

Armour dose. I'm only 1/2 grain so I really need to go up, but I'll

hold for a few more days. I'm happy that I don't have a conversion

problem so that I can just focus on optimizing my Armour.

With re: to the Iso, I did sleep last night and dosed 2.5mg when I got

up at 6AM to eat something, 7.5mg at 7:30AM, 5 at 11:30AM. 2.5 at 4PM

and 2.5 at 8PM. Should I try (again) to move that last 2.5 closer to

bed time to try to avoid the 5:30 wake up call? I didn't wake up

ravenously hungry this time, but I still got up at 6AM to eat and take

the 2.5 of Iso b/c I couldn't get back to sleep. With one more hour

of sleep I think that I would feel almost normal.

Thanks,

>

> Your T3/RT3 ratio is 22.4 so you are good there, btu WOW you are hypo.

> Increase slowly though so you don;t cause more adrenal greif!

>

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I believe that mine was low dose - 1mcg, at least that's how my DO

wrote the order. Unfortunately, I had no way of getting the test done

where I live and my DO's office wouldn't help me so my endo ordered it

and I didn't pay as close attention to his order but I'm pretty sure

that it was low dose too. Of course, if there is any lab range out

there that defines my results as " normal " that's all that they'll care

about and they won't want to talk about borderline or what normal

needs to be for a severaly hypoT patient with Hashis.

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>

>

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003696.htm#Normal%20Values

>

> This one says you r results should stim 20points higher and yours is

> just below that, but at least it is ine reference, I will look for

more.

> This site below is interestignin that HIGH dose ACTH stim testing

> produced normal results in peole KNOW to have adrenal insufficiency and

> LOW Dose ACTh testing showed the proper diagnosis. Yours looks to have

> been high dose, thus is really not an accurate diagnostic tool.

>

http://www.jpgmonline.com/article.asp?issn=0022-3859;year=2002;volume=48;issue=4\

;spage=280;epage=2;aulast=Gandhi

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,

Just some things to think about. Were these all blood tests? The reason I

ask is my blood work (and urine tests) over the years nearly always came

back normal but I was very hypo, have severe mercury poisoning, adrenal

fatigue, and had/have a major sodium potassium imbalance (which caused me to

black out a lot) and NONE of it showed up on these tests, nor on the ACTH

test I demanded. I am a big believer to go by symptoms first and tests

later. I truly believe if I had not started to support my adrenals in 2003 I

would be dead by now and looking at how I am in a stage 7 (based on symptoms

I have been there for many years...could probably track which phase I was at

in each stage over the past 20 years), I am kind of pissed off it took so

long to have my tests finally confirm what my symptoms were showing for 30

years.

I say that because if you have symptoms but your tests are not showing

anything, listen to your symptoms and your gut feeling.

I think you need more T3 looking at your thyroid tests. On the liver

enzymes, my tests always came back normal and I had liver issues for years

(have not been able to drink alcohol for years) so I just started to support

on my own. I don't find these blood ones to pick up on the liver issues

unless you are at a more advanced stage of liver disease (which in my

opinion, is way too late). I just knew I had liver toxicity and by taking

the milk thistle and dandelion together it really helped with other issues.

So, even if your enzyme tests show " normal " , go by your symptoms.

I would skip the orange juice (not worth the spike in your glucose and bad

for adrenal fatigue sufferers) and get other sources of potassium...of which

there are tons. A lot of nuts (almonds are great) have high potassium plus

will give you the protein and good fats you need and are a much better

choice than sugary orange juice or even bananas. You really won't know about

your sodium and potassium from these tests. I would hold off on making

assumptions until you get your aldosterone results back. And also go by

symptoms which will tell you more than the tests. My symptoms for years

showed that I couldn't hold sodium. However, on the blood tests I had like

yours....my potassium and sodium levels looked just like yours and I was

getting too much potassium and not enough sodium due to my low aldosterone.

Those blood tests you have do not show enough on the cellular level, only

the blood level.

I am gong to try the castor pack myself next month and also do a gentle

liver cleanse. Remember, you liver is your largest detoxifying organ so it

has to do a lot of work and when congested will impact adrenals, thyroid and

a host of other body functions.

Cheri

New labs in

No wonder I'm feeling so lousy with a TSH of 13. I need to get my

Armour up. I can't wait for the endo who ordered these labs to get on

my case about going back on Synthroid and Cytomel.

Question for Val (and all): my T3 is almost the same as it was in Aug.

and given that value and this one, and my recent RT3 test, can I

assume that conversion of T4 is not my problem? Someone, I think

Cheri, asked whether the doc ran liver enzymes and apparently he did.

Any comment on those?

TIA,

P.S. I did sleep for 6 hours last night which isn't great, but it sure

beats 3 hours. I took that last dose of Iso at 8PM so I'm thinking of

moving it closer to bedtime, but not right at bedtime to avoid

over-stimulating myself. Does that sound like a reasonable plan?

.

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>>With re: to the Iso, I did sleep last night and dosed 2.5mg when I got

up at 6AM to eat something, 7.5mg at 7:30AM, 5 at 11:30AM. 2.5 at 4PM

and 2.5 at 8PM. Should I try (again) to move that last 2.5 closer to

bed time to try to avoid the 5:30 wake up call? I didn't wake up

ravenously hungry this time, but I still got up at 6AM to eat and take

the 2.5 of Iso b/c I couldn't get back to sleep. With one more hour

of sleep I think that I would feel almost normal.<<

All you can do is try the different dosing and find what works for you. It is

good you are sleeping as well as you are! i find sometime s I have to get my

sleep in 2-3 steps as I don;t stay asleep but have no trouble going back to

sleep after a snack or if I am wide awake I take some HC and it puts me back to

sleep.

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I have to disagree here, the sugar in bananas is offset by the fiber in

them an there are GREAT tasting orang juices now that have 1/2 the sugar

of regular that even as a Diabetic I can drink to replenish potassium,

htough almonds are great not everyone can eat them and people need a

variety of sources to get the ones that work in their bodies. A banana

only has about 11 grams of carbs in it which is not a high carb snack.

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So even if you wake up at 5:30 or 6 and have to get up at 7 you get up

and take the HC with food? Just the 2.5 and then the rest of the 10mg

morning dose (7.5) when I get up is OK?

Thanks and thanks again for looking over my labs.

>

> >>With re: to the Iso, I did sleep last night and dosed 2.5mg when I got

> up at 6AM to eat something, 7.5mg at 7:30AM, 5 at 11:30AM. 2.5 at 4PM

> and 2.5 at 8PM. Should I try (again) to move that last 2.5 closer to

> bed time to try to avoid the 5:30 wake up call? I didn't wake up

> ravenously hungry this time, but I still got up at 6AM to eat and take

> the 2.5 of Iso b/c I couldn't get back to sleep. With one more hour

> of sleep I think that I would feel almost normal.<<

>

> All you can do is try the different dosing and find what works for

you. It is good you are sleeping as well as you are! i find sometime s

I have to get my sleep in 2-3 steps as I don;t stay asleep but have no

trouble going back to sleep after a snack or if I am wide awake I take

some HC and it puts me back to sleep.

>

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I love OJ - I was just avoiding it b/c of what it said in 's

adrenal book about avoiding fruit juices with lots of sugar and b/c

the acid does give me trouble if I drink much of it. Maybe I'll be

able to enjoy it more once I get my thyroid more optimized and

digestion improves. Something to look forward to. I like bananas

fine although I have always found that I'm hungry again shortly after

eating one - like Chinese food

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>

> I have to disagree here, the sugar in bananas is offset by the fiber in

> them an there are GREAT tasting orang juices now that have 1/2 the

sugar

> of regular that even as a Diabetic I can drink to replenish potassium,

> htough almonds are great not everyone can eat them and people need a

> variety of sources to get the ones that work in their bodies. A banana

> only has about 11 grams of carbs in it which is not a high carb snack.

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That's interesting because Dr Rind had me drinking pure bovine collagen

for the longest time to help out the adrenals.

, you can buy it on his site, I believe.

Kathleen

> > BUN: 12.0 MG/DL <8.0 - 20.0> 17 is optimal; this says you're not

> eating enough protein. Are you vegetarian? Cause it's hard to

recover

> from adrenal fatigue without adequate protein. I know you said you

> didn't have much appetite, but that's also a poor liver function

> symptom.

[Guest guest]

I think tolerating bananas depends on what stage you're in. When I

first got hypoglycemic from being hypo and didn't know about adrenal

fatigue and this site, I knew I was hungry when waking in the middle

of the night so went and ate a banana. Within half an hour, I was

curled up and moaning in bed, thinking, " what's wrong with me? " My

whole body was quivering and it was scary. But you're right, as you

become less hypo, your digestion will improve, and you'll be able to

eat more things again.

That might even be why your labs showed low on protein consumption,

when you said you eat protein. Maybe it's just not being digested!

> >

> > I have to disagree here, the sugar in bananas is offset by the

fiber in

> > them an there are GREAT tasting orang juices now that have 1/2 the

> sugar

> > of regular that even as a Diabetic I can drink to replenish

potassium,

> > htough almonds are great not everyone can eat them and people

need a

> > variety of sources to get the ones that work in their bodies. A

banana

> > only has about 11 grams of carbs in it which is not a high carb

snack.

> >

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Hi Cheri, thanks for looking over my labs and responding. You ladies

are all great and I honestly don't know what I would do without you

all lately b/c I'm fighting skeptical docs and even my wife who

doesn't understand what I am doing and who is getting concerned b/c of

the effects that she can observe lately which, admittedly, have not

been good at all. I am feeling more human today after sleeping for 6

hours last night. If I can repeat that for a few days, I'll feel

better and things will undoubtedly look better.

This was all blood work. I did the 24 hour saliva cortisol test and

took those labs with me to no fewer than three internal med docs and

this new endo and they all ignored them. ACTH stim was the only way

that I had to hopefully show them that I have an adrenal issue and it

came out " normal " which means that they'll find their beliefs to be

vindicated and they won't want to treat my adrenals. The problem, of

course, is that I am obviously quite hypoT and I can't take more T3,

whether in Armour or by itself, without aggravating the adrenals,

whether they believe in it or not. I'm working hard now on sticking

to a good schedule with the Iso, trying to rest and not be stressed

out, so that I can start increasing the Armour dose. I'm also taking

the liver support with milk thistle (and a lot of other stuff) and

I've got the castor oil pack kit on order - should be here tomorrow.

The cleanse that I started yesterday upset my already upset GI so I

quit it and I'm happy with that decision. Too much going on already.

I'll keep your dietary recommendations in mind and indulge in some

OJ, but not too much - can't anyway b/c of the acid. I'll also

continue with the sea salt and the vits.

Thanks again,

>

> ,

>

> Just some things to think about. Were these all blood tests? The

reason I

> ask is my blood work (and urine tests) over the years nearly always came

> back normal but I was very hypo, have severe mercury poisoning, adrenal

> fatigue, and had/have a major sodium potassium imbalance (which

caused me to

> black out a lot) and NONE of it showed up on these tests, nor on the

ACTH

> test I demanded.

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Yeah, 260 for t3 is normal but you'll feel like crap. That's where my

ft3 is all the time with my " normal " labs.

YES, you should be able to google ACTH stim tests to get some hard

evidence that your cortisol should have doubled! I *think* most endos

know that because it's one of the tests done to test for 's

after all. But doctors never fail to amaze me...

I don't drink fruit juices, either, because of all the sugar, but

there are lots of potassium rich foods out there and you could always

buy potassium pills. They come in only 99 mg per pill so you'd have

to take several.

It can't hurt you to drink/eat as much salt as you need! This could

be why you feel dizzy a lot. If aldosterone comes back super low, you

could try taking Florinef. If your doc won't give it to you, we have

sources where you can buy it.

And if he tries to put you on synthroid/cytomel, I would personally

just lie and buy Armour somewhere else... If you want to stay with

this doctor, that is. And if he recognizes the low stim test results

and agrees to treat it, you may very well want to stay with him!!

Kathleen

>

> Of course my endo's nurse said that they were normal and I expect

that

> he'll say the same. She also said that my free T3 of 2.6 is

normal.

> Is there any reference that I can provide him to show that my stim

> should have doubled? He's going to want to put me back on Synth and

> Cytomel which, even if I was inclined to do it, I couldn't do

without

> adrenal support, but he's going to say that I don't have an adrenal

> problem. It is good to know that my pituitary probably isn't

> involved. He also ordered aldosterone and renin (and my request

from

> your suggestion) but they aren't back in yet and either is the

vitamin

> D and a couple of others. I am taking 1/2 tsp of Celtic sea salt

> twice/day. Should I increase to 3x/day? I love orange juice but

have

> been avoiding it b/c of the sugar and the acidity but I'll drink

more

> and start eating more bananas too.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sounds yummy I'm surprised that one of your docs didn't scold you

about the risk of catching mad cow disease.

>

> That's interesting because Dr Rind had me drinking pure bovine collagen

> for the longest time to help out the adrenals.

>

> , you can buy it on his site, I believe.

>

> Kathleen

>

> > > BUN: 12.0 MG/DL <8.0 - 20.0> 17 is optimal; this says you're not

> > eating enough protein. Are you vegetarian? Cause it's hard to

> recover

> > from adrenal fatigue without adequate protein. I know you said you

> > didn't have much appetite, but that's also a poor liver function

> > symptom.

>

[Guest guest]

>>So even if you wake up at 5:30 or 6 and have to get up at 7 you get up

and take the HC with food? Just the 2.5 and then the rest of the 10mg

morning dose (7.5) when I get up is OK?<,

I often get up an take 2.5mg adn a cheese stick and go back to bed.

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[Guest guest]

Yes, lots of good sources for potassium. I just mentioned almonds because I

like them. Well, , you give such wonderful information here and

have certainly helped me a lot already. I am sure we are all bound to

disagree on some things once and awhile, lol.

I am surprised you can drink OJ with diabetes. Good for you that you have

not bad reaction. I have major insulin issues and a family of diabetes and

it is banned for us but I guess we all do what we are comfortable with and

what works for our bodies. Unfortunately for me, I cannot tolerate it at

all.

Dr. in Adrenal Fatigue: The 21st Century Stress Syndrome talks about

OJ and he is pretty down on it for adrenal fatigue suffers. He talks of the

lower Vit C content than other preferable foods and the high glycemic index

(which he covers in depth in the book and with a nice chart in back). This

is what he says on page 196 :

" Orange juice is specifically not recommended for people suffering from

adrenal fatigue because few substances drive the blood sugar up so quickly

and drop it so abruptly. Orange juice in the morning is frequently a tragic

start to the day for people with hypoadrenia. "

I know I had to completely ban it because of my hypoglycemia. I use to pass

out a lot upon rising and in the shower and had no idea my diet was

contributing to is because I thought I was eating really *healthy*. I would

also get the shakes pretty badly. As we all now know, healthy for one person

isn't the same as for the next. Bananas I so love, so that was harder to

give up but I still have them occasionally. They do have lower carbs, but

again, the real issue is the glycemic content. They have a high glycemic

index too, but for me, I think it is more the potassium that throws me off

since I need lots of salt. My veins actually start hurting when I get too

much potassium in relation to salt.

The book lists banana as 77, oranges as 63 and orange juice at 74 on the

glycemic index. Under a hundred which is good, but I try to keep my foods at

an index of 55 or less. Nuts are at about 25. Plus I get potassium and sea

salt from my sea veggies too and they are super low on the glycemic index

plus help my thyroid.

, I still think you should wait to get your test results before

increasing potassium.

Oh, if anyone hasn't checked out the website www.adrenalfatigue.org I highly

recommend it and his book. I met him in person two years ago and had him

sign his book for me because his Adrenal Rebuilder was a lifesaver at the

time I discovered it.

Cheri

Re: New labs in

I have to disagree here, the sugar in bananas is offset by the fiber in

them an there are GREAT tasting orang juices now that have 1/2 the sugar

of regular that even as a Diabetic I can drink to replenish potassium,

htough almonds are great not everyone can eat them and people need a

variety of sources to get the ones that work in their bodies. A banana

only has about 11 grams of carbs in it which is not a high carb snack.

--

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[Guest guest]

After a few good nights of sleep (6 hours..good for me) I woke up at 3 am

today and could not get back to sleep. Probably why I am in a slump now

since 9am. I think I will try your suggestion and eat something plus take

one pellet and see what happens next time.

Cheri

Re: New labs in

>>So even if you wake up at 5:30 or 6 and have to get up at 7 you get up

and take the HC with food? Just the 2.5 and then the rest of the 10mg

morning dose (7.5) when I get up is OK?<,

I often get up an take 2.5mg adn a cheese stick and go back to bed.

--

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[Guest guest]

Did exactly that at 6AM. I never fell back asleep before the alarm

went off, but I didn't lie there feeling hungry or sweating either.

Thanks.

>

> >>So even if you wake up at 5:30 or 6 and have to get up at 7 you get up

> and take the HC with food? Just the 2.5 and then the rest of the 10mg

> morning dose (7.5) when I get up is OK?<,

>

> I often get up an take 2.5mg adn a cheese stick and go back to bed.

>

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I empathize with you on the sleep issue, . I was so deprived for 5

years that I never got more than 3 hours of really terrible sleep and was so

anxious, wired, crabby, hyper sensitive I thought I was going to die. It

started to impact my heart too. It wasn't until I quit my job and moved to a

different place, plus redid my diet that I started to see changes but it was

a very long process and still is. I was a vegetarian for many years too

which I found out was really bad for me and have to force myself to get more

protein through a lot of sources but the only meat I really like is organic

chicken or buffalo meat occasionally. I know I don't eat enough protein and

Dr. really stresses to eat more.

Tell your wife you aren't crazy and there are a whole lot of other folks

dealing with the same issues. If my doctors had listened to me I wouldn't be

at stage 7 or have gone into anaphylactic shock in 2004. She just needs to

try to be as patient as possible, even though I am sure it is hard on her

too.

As I said, my ACTH came back normal too and I had to fight just to get it

tested with some really rude phlebotomists. Another one permanently damaged

a vein. It took me forever to find a really good one for my weak veins at

LabCorp but she has since quit so I try to avoid blood tests unless

absolutely necessary since they rarely showed what was really going on with

me anyway. And the rest of the time when they did show problems, my docs

ignored it. For example, in 2001 my labs showed cellular degeneration (very

rare for young person unless ill) and it show my platelets were macro sized

and sticking together even though I had " wonderful " cholesterol. Find out

later frequently cholesterol levels do look good in adrenal fatigue

sufferers and it is not a good thing because your adrenals need cholesterol.

I started requesting all my prior tests results from all the docs and was

shocked at how many told me things were fine when right there on paper they

clearly were not. Also found out after a cancer scare surgery that I had a

sharply tilted uterus that no one, including the surgeon, bothered to tell

me. I only discovered it after getting the hospital reports, all test

results AND physician's notes (which I requested in writing) after my

surgery and my doc (who I actually really liked) wrote up a big paragraph on

my issues and stuck it in my file, but didn't bother to tell ME. Totally

insane. The only thing she ever said was " are you trying to get pregnant

right now " and since I was not, I guess she in her infinite wisdom decided I

didn't need to know more.

I really think about 90% of the doctors shouldn't even be practicing. I even

tell this to my doctor friends, lol. My labs from the mid 80s already show

the issues I am dealing with now and it is so sad 22 years later it had to

progress like this and I lost so much of my life due to illness.

So, be vigilant with your health especially when docs try to make you think

there is nothing wrong with you. You know your body best and if you feel

there is something wrong, there is. And if you haven't read the book, I

highly recommend it: www.adrenalfatigue.org. Could help to explain some of

this to your wife too. Dr. does talk about how and why doctors miss

this illness in their testing. Also, if you have stomach acid issues,

seaweeds are good for that. I really like Kombu specifically to cook with or

just break off and eat. You get potassium, sodium and tons of trace

minerals. It has helped me with a lot of infections and the iodine has

helped my thyroid.

Cheri

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Hi Cheri, thanks for looking over my labs and responding. You ladies

are all great and I honestly don't know what I would do without you

all lately b/c I'm fighting skeptical docs and even my wife who

doesn't understand what I am doing and who is getting concerned b/c of

the effects that she can observe lately which, admittedly, have not

been good at all. I am feeling more human today after sleeping for 6

hours last night. If I can repeat that for a few days, I'll feel

better and things will undoubtedly look better.

Thanks again,

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Oh, well, ignore my other post, lol. I see you have the book already. Yes, I

think the other person had it right that it depends on your stage of adrenal

fatigue. From stages 5 to now (7) I have not been able to tolerate it.

Cheri

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I love OJ - I was just avoiding it b/c of what it said in 's

adrenal book about avoiding fruit juices with lots of sugar and b/c

the acid does give me trouble if I drink much of it. Maybe I'll be

able to enjoy it more once I get my thyroid more optimized and

digestion improves. Something to look forward to. I like bananas

fine although I have always found that I'm hungry again shortly after

eating one - like Chinese food

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