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You got it here. " >>while I might understand his communication

(purpose) he may not know that I do. So I should respond to it by

examining his ears or something like that to further shape his

communication. "

While the newborn infant may cry, if there is no response or

feedback, is it really " communication " ? In order for the behavior to

be classified as " communication " , there needs to be a process going

on of a)being aware there IS in fact another out there to recieve the

message B) being aware that the behavior itself will cause an effect

c)being aware of a response, and therefor a reciprocal communicative

process has taken place. Often young children who are deafblind, by

vurtue of inefficient sensory processing, and/or being unable to gain

information from the environment due to sensory loss, don't reach

some of these stages of awareness in each and every behavior or

reflex as it unfolds. If you define " communication " as an

interactive process, which requires more then one individual in order

for the process of " communication " to take place, then behavior is

not always communication. Depending if you respond or not,

communication can happen, but only through the child's awareness of

the follow-up interaction taking place. I think the infants first

cry is probably a neuro response to a state of change and lack of

warmth. If you look at many of the infants early mov't, they are

based on CNS reflex reactions. The rooting reflex is an example...by

grace they have early vision to focus on Mother's breast but it is

not a behavior which gets them attached...its a reflex. I would argue

that the same type of " neuro " responses and adjustments take place in

the process of these particular CHARGE-like challenging " behaviors "

unfolding, and it is usually impossible during this short time to

communicate anything in response, until the CNS system is ready for

more input. OK that was really hard to spell " behaviour " American-

like as we spell it with a " u " . I see your heading: my behaviour is

bad eh?

Ann Gloyn,

Specialist Teacher

Canada

> Hi Ann,

>

> Thanks for your comments. I feel like I am starting to get a

handle on

> some of the behavior stuff, which is encouraging. In terms of

behavior

> as communication. I began with the principle that all behavior has

a

> purpose. This is the position of Adlerians (who follow the theory

of

> Alfred Adler), as I am from that orientation. Once you understand

the

> purpose of a behavior, the behavior makes sense. This is true of a

> hiccup, eye blink, and other physiological responses. You can also

> think of all behavior as a symptom, but my problem with that term is

> that it gets people thinking from a disease orientation, and I want

to

> avoid that. I went to behavior as communication after being

strongly

> influenced by Ed Carr and his colleagues, particularly his book

> Communication-Based Intervention for Problem Behavior (published by

> s). I liked this because it gets people thinking about what

the

> child may be telling us by their behavior. I agree that it may not

be

> conscious, or it might be pre-verbal, but what is it telling us?

When a

> baby cries it may be instinctive, but mothers can often tell that

it is

> a hungry cry, or a sleepy cry, or a discomfort cry, or an attention

cry.

> As mothers differentially respond to cries, the baby begins to shape

> their cry even more so that eventually the distinctions become

sharper

> and communication is established. When crams something sharp

or

> vibrating into his neck, it generally means his ears hurt. In

writing

> this it now occurs to me that while I might understand his

communication

> (purpose) he may not know that I do. So I should respond to it by

> examining his ears or something like that to further shape his

> communication. Does that make sense?

>

> For those of you who responded to my last survey, you will be

getting

> the next one very soon (with luck it will be in tomorrow's mail).

Your

> assistance with the research is deeply appreciated. For those who

were

> not a part of the last study, you will not get one because we have

so

> much data on the other group already. But Kim Blake and Jude

> and I have a ton of studies in mind, and so your turn will come.

>

> Tim Hartshorne (father of )

>

> S. Hartshorne, Ph.D.

> Assistant Vice Provost and Professor of Psychology

> Central Michigan University

> Mount Pleasant, MI 48858

> (989)774-3632 phone

> (989)774-1408 (fax)

> harts1ts@c...

>

>

>

>

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You got it here. " >>while I might understand his communication

(purpose) he may not know that I do. So I should respond to it by

examining his ears or something like that to further shape his

communication. "

While the newborn infant may cry, if there is no response or

feedback, is it really " communication " ? In order for the behavior to

be classified as " communication " , there needs to be a process going

on of a)being aware there IS in fact another out there to recieve the

message B) being aware that the behavior itself will cause an effect

c)being aware of a response, and therefor a reciprocal communicative

process has taken place. Often young children who are deafblind, by

vurtue of inefficient sensory processing, and/or being unable to gain

information from the environment due to sensory loss, don't reach

some of these stages of awareness in each and every behavior or

reflex as it unfolds. If you define " communication " as an

interactive process, which requires more then one individual in order

for the process of " communication " to take place, then behavior is

not always communication. Depending if you respond or not,

communication can happen, but only through the child's awareness of

the follow-up interaction taking place. I think the infants first

cry is probably a neuro response to a state of change and lack of

warmth. If you look at many of the infants early mov't, they are

based on CNS reflex reactions. The rooting reflex is an example...by

grace they have early vision to focus on Mother's breast but it is

not a behavior which gets them attached...its a reflex. I would argue

that the same type of " neuro " responses and adjustments take place in

the process of these particular CHARGE-like challenging " behaviors "

unfolding, and it is usually impossible during this short time to

communicate anything in response, until the CNS system is ready for

more input. OK that was really hard to spell " behaviour " American-

like as we spell it with a " u " . I see your heading: my behaviour is

bad eh?

Ann Gloyn,

Specialist Teacher

Canada

> Hi Ann,

>

> Thanks for your comments. I feel like I am starting to get a

handle on

> some of the behavior stuff, which is encouraging. In terms of

behavior

> as communication. I began with the principle that all behavior has

a

> purpose. This is the position of Adlerians (who follow the theory

of

> Alfred Adler), as I am from that orientation. Once you understand

the

> purpose of a behavior, the behavior makes sense. This is true of a

> hiccup, eye blink, and other physiological responses. You can also

> think of all behavior as a symptom, but my problem with that term is

> that it gets people thinking from a disease orientation, and I want

to

> avoid that. I went to behavior as communication after being

strongly

> influenced by Ed Carr and his colleagues, particularly his book

> Communication-Based Intervention for Problem Behavior (published by

> s). I liked this because it gets people thinking about what

the

> child may be telling us by their behavior. I agree that it may not

be

> conscious, or it might be pre-verbal, but what is it telling us?

When a

> baby cries it may be instinctive, but mothers can often tell that

it is

> a hungry cry, or a sleepy cry, or a discomfort cry, or an attention

cry.

> As mothers differentially respond to cries, the baby begins to shape

> their cry even more so that eventually the distinctions become

sharper

> and communication is established. When crams something sharp

or

> vibrating into his neck, it generally means his ears hurt. In

writing

> this it now occurs to me that while I might understand his

communication

> (purpose) he may not know that I do. So I should respond to it by

> examining his ears or something like that to further shape his

> communication. Does that make sense?

>

> For those of you who responded to my last survey, you will be

getting

> the next one very soon (with luck it will be in tomorrow's mail).

Your

> assistance with the research is deeply appreciated. For those who

were

> not a part of the last study, you will not get one because we have

so

> much data on the other group already. But Kim Blake and Jude

> and I have a ton of studies in mind, and so your turn will come.

>

> Tim Hartshorne (father of )

>

> S. Hartshorne, Ph.D.

> Assistant Vice Provost and Professor of Psychology

> Central Michigan University

> Mount Pleasant, MI 48858

> (989)774-3632 phone

> (989)774-1408 (fax)

> harts1ts@c...

>

>

>

>

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Doubtless, this is one of the times when I should not post. We've - literaly

- just returned honme from Perkins with . It is very late, haven't

eaten, etc.

However, Tim, I think we have done a good job at home (something I very

seldom say) by KNOWING that when does X it means her ears hurt. When

she does Y, she's constipated. For her - and us - half or more of the battle

has been letting her know that we understand BY WHATEVER MEANS. It's a

product, perhaps, of having learned to have one heck of a lot of confidence

in the child. But - and it's a truly huge thing - seems to have

learned that we will take her hitting her head, her off days as

communicating that something physical is wrong. I don't care what I have to

do to get across to her that her father and I understand. I think that she

has learned to have faith in us - through her odd ways of communicating

pain...

Luckily, at times now, we've reached the stage that will tell us

when she needs to see the nurse at Perkins or her ped here, etc. It's taken

a lot of time (which shouldn't have been necessary) and a lot of imagination

to reach this point.

On and on. I am tired and hope that I've made a tad of sense.

Martha

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The " behaviourist " type of approach may say that it is how you have

reacted to the behaviour which reinforces it, and causes it to

continue. A " CHARGE " way of looking at it is that the failure for

the behaviour to stop may not be what you have or have not

communicated to her about your wishes, but that this behaviour has

become " patternized " or adopted into the " charge-like " compulsive

type repetior. So what you may need to do instead of communicating

verbally what you would like to see, is a) make her aware of the

behaviour and its effects by videotaping her, your reactions, Dad's

reactions, etc...b)to provide an alternative for the behaviour to be

replaced by something else: example is provide a tape recorder in her

room, and tangible reinforcement for the delay in showing your all

that was said on the tape at one time at YOUR appropriate moment.

The car: instead of the verbalization (which may be a distraction

for her as we all know many of these kids with CHARGE have difficulty

with travel) provide and model an alternative ex. a rip box of

fluff... " see how much you can do before the next stop " ,

Ann Gloyn, Canada

> Hi, This is a really interesting thread which I haven't followed

properly

> (too busy at work as usual), but what I'm interested in is how do

you

> actually enforce the fact that you have responded to the behaviour?

Ellen is

> 18 and a pretty well " normal " girl, in that she reads and writes at

about an

> age appropriate level etcetc, BUT we are having real difficulties

at present

> which revolve around her apparently not understanding that there are

> parameters which she must adopt in her communication with us. Two

things are

> turning into really serious issues which are the causes of major

stress. One

> is that no matter how often I tell her that I cannot hear her if

she is

> lying on her bed and I am 3 rooms away in the kitchen or living

room, she

> will call out and try to have a conversation with me and get very

cross when

> I don't immediately respond. THis will go on for hours and will

mean that I

> may need to get up from eating or doing whatever I am doing 4 or 5

times in

> an hour to see what she wants. The other is that when we are

driving, she

> will talk constantly even when her father specifically tells her to

be quiet

> as she is disturbing his concentration. No matter how many times we

tell her

> the reasons for our requests to get up and come in to the room to

talk or to

> be quiet in the car when told to, she just can't seem to comply and

I think

> really does not understand what is being asked of her. Any ideas?

as it's

> driving us all mad.

> Regards,

> Marea Howe

>

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