Guest guest Posted October 8, 2004 Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 Moira. Thanks for your response. I appreciate your info on EDTA. I did not realize that it caused nausea. What I mean by " half time " is that Andy's protocol is 3 on 4 off. Or, it could be one week on and one week off. Whatever. The point is to take half time off. I understand the reason for this as: ALA accumulates Cu, so you want to allow the body time to take care of that. DMSA can dammage nutrophils, so you allow the body time to take care of that. I'm not sure what the issues with DMPS are. Now, on the other hand, taking time off means dealing with redistribution. Every time we stop, we redistribute. So, what would happen if we did one week ALA, then one week DMSA, one week DMPS, ALA again, DMSA again, etc... Any reason _not_ to do this? That's my question. And I ask it because so far (one 10 day round completed) I feel better while chelating. The three days after I stopped were not real good - tired and irritable. Now I'm just tired and foggy - back to normal! I'll start again tomorrow. I think for now I'll keep it to one week on and one week off. Dave. Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 14:46:34 -0000 Subject: Re: chelation protocol > I actually have a similar question. I have both lead and mercury > toxicity and have been thinking that perhaps I could use the EDTA for a > few days a month between my ALA chelation rounds. I figure I'm taking > time off anyway, why not use it to work on the lead? the better plan would be to use ALA and DMSA together. > > Any thoughts? Do we know if EDTA can be used orally, yes, it can be used orally, but it doesn't work as well as DMSA, so really it is for folks who can't use DMSA for some reason. Also it causes nausea orally, and because of this the dose has to be worked out carefully, starting low and increasing. > what the dosing > protocol is, yikes, I have had that info, but not sure where I've put it. > and how many days a month might be useful to begin to get > rid of the lead? Do we know if there are any issues that we should be > aware of, like the nutrophils issue for DMSA? > > Here is a related question. We only do half-time ALA because of the > copper accumulation issue. We only do half time DMSA because of the > nutrophils issue. I'm not sure why we only do have time DMPS. In any > case, is there any reason not to rotate chelators? That way we won't > have to take time off. Any thoughts? I don't understand what you mean by half time -- do you mean every other round? Or do you just mean 3 days on 3 days off? or what? Also who is the " we " you are talking about? Do you mean that you think ALL OF US use ALA half time due to copper and ALL OF US use DMSA half time due to nutrophils? I suppose there is some truth to that, although I would not say it that way---it seems like a real oversimplification to me. Anyway, it is best to stick to rounds with as much time off as on. My thought is " take it easy " . good wishes, Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2004 Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 Hello , > > > > > > Any thoughts? Do we know if EDTA can be used orally, > > > > yes, it can be used orally, but it doesn't work as well as > > DMSA, so really it is for folks who can't use DMSA for some > > reason. Also it causes nausea orally, and because of this > > the dose has to be worked out carefully, starting low and > > increasing. > > > > > > > what the dosing > > > protocol is, > > > > yikes, I have had that info, but not sure where I've put it. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2004 Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 > Moira. Thanks for your response. I appreciate your info on EDTA. I > did not realize that it caused nausea. > > What I mean by " half time " is that Andy's protocol is 3 on 4 off. Or, > it could be one week on and one week off. Whatever. The point is to > take half time off. okay, now I know what you mean. > I understand the reason for this as: ALA > accumulates Cu, so you want to allow the body time to take care of that. > DMSA can dammage nutrophils, so you allow the body time to take care of > that. I'm not sure what the issues with DMPS are. I think that is a bit of an oversimplification of things, and sort of correct while also being sort of misleading. > > Now, on the other hand, taking time off means dealing with > redistribution. Every time we stop, we redistribute. So, what would > happen if we did one week ALA, then one week DMSA, one week DMPS, ALA > again, DMSA again, etc... Any reason _not_ to do this? well, if the point were to take a break from a SPECIFIC chelation agent, then your idea would make sense. But I don't think that is the idea. I think the idea is to take a break FROM CHELATION, which obviously you would not be doing. > > That's my question. And I ask it because so far (one 10 day round > completed) I feel better while chelating. The three days after I > stopped were not real good - tired and irritable. sounds typical, although some of the TIRED aspect might just be due to night doses, no? (or are you on DMPS only?) > Now I'm just tired > and foggy - back to normal! I'll start again tomorrow. I think for now > I'll keep it to one week on and one week off. sounds fine. All I can say is that I would suggest that you hang in with this for a while and see what you think in a few weeks from now. You could also try a two week on round (followed by two weeks off of course). good wishes, Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2004 Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 Hi Moria, The doctor who suggested that I use oral EDTA seemed to be suggesting that it would somehow protect me from cancer. For chelation he was suggesting DMSA, ALA and EDTA as well. But if EDTA doesn't work for mercury, isn't that great for lead, causes nausea, I don't see much point in adding it. Thanks for your reply. I don't have the energy right now to sort through all of the EDTA literature!! > > > > Moria, > > From your answer here I am getting the impression that EDTA might > > have some use for picking up lead and other metals. > > > yeah, EDTA is okay for getting rid of lead, but DMSA is > better. I said this in the post that you just replied to. > Not sure about the other metals part. > > > One doctor > > suggested using oral EDTA during chelation so that the metals > don't > > hang around in the gut. Any comments on this? > > reread all my comments in the post below this please. > EDTA is not effective for mercury, and for > lead it is not as good as DMSA. And it is harder to use > because it causes nausea. So why not use DMSA instead? > > Am I missing some reason that you want to use EDTA? > > good wishes, > Moria > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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