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At 06:32 PM 11/7/04, Carol wrote:

>I think it's Avandia that either causes or promotes weight gain. Since

>I take both Metformin and Avandia I get to either gain weight or

>maintain (if I'm really good about the low-carb thing), AND I get the

>added wonderment of all the side effects: cramps, the big D, nausea,

>sinus congestion, lactic acid buildup, muscle weakness, dizziness - you

>name it, if there's a side effect, I've got it. Which is why I'm doing

>insulin as of January with or without the doctor.

I've heard that you can only buy the " old " insulin without a prescription.

Old as in older brands, not older age. Is that what you plan on doing? On

the cramps, sinus congestion, etc, is that from Metformin?

sky

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I don't remember anymore which side effect comes from which pill. The

intestinal distress is from the Met, and I think the sinus probs are

from the blood pressure med that stops the protein leak from the

kidneys. Vicki tells me the UL is OTC, and one of the short-acting

also, maybe Humalog??? Don't remember that either. I've got a snoot

full of fumes from staining dollhouse shingles all day, so it's probably

affecting my rememberer parts. Anyway, as soon as the 17 year patent

protection is gone almost all drugs go OTC. I'm soooo glad Immodium is

one of those " old " drugs.

Carol

Sky wrote:

> I've heard that you can only buy the " old " insulin without a prescription.

> Old as in older brands, not older age. Is that what you plan on doing? On

> the cramps, sinus congestion, etc, is that from Metformin?

>

> sky

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No, it was NPH, regular and Ultralente which don't require a

prescription. Humalog and NovaLog do.

The reason the earlier insulins are no prescription is because when

Banting and Best discovered insulin, they made a condition that it

always be available prescription-free. However, the newer insulins got

around this by changing a molecule (or something similar) and thereby

got around it because " technically " it wasn't the same stuff as what

Banting and Best were referring to.

If I got this wrong, someone is sure to correct me.

Vicki

Re: Re: Metformin

>

> I don't remember anymore which side effect comes from which pill. The

> intestinal distress is from the Met, and I think the sinus probs are

> from the blood pressure med that stops the protein leak from the

> kidneys. Vicki tells me the UL is OTC, and one of the short-acting

> also, maybe Humalog??? Don't remember that either. I've got a snoot

> full of fumes from staining dollhouse shingles all day, so it's

> probably

> affecting my rememberer parts. Anyway, as soon as the 17 year patent

> protection is gone almost all drugs go OTC. I'm soooo glad Immodium

> is

> one of those " old " drugs.

>

> Carol

>

> Sky wrote:

>

>> I've heard that you can only buy the " old " insulin without a

>> prescription.

>> Old as in older brands, not older age. Is that what you plan on

>> doing? On

>> the cramps, sinus congestion, etc, is that from Metformin?

>>

>> sky

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  • 2 weeks later...

Sky: I must remind you that the reg Met may not act for you as it does

for me. I don't know of anyone else reporting that it effects them this

way altho there may be lurkers who find it does & have just not reported

this. On World Meir got extremely annoyed when I said it did this for

me--he said it was impossible from the analysis & manufacturers

descriptions. However ymmv ALWAYS & it absolutely does this for ME.

You do sound almost as impatient as I am & was. When I was first

diagnosed I wanted control NOW & could not understand why just eating

low (much lower than I do now) carb did not give me good numbers. All I

can say is: this time too shall pass, the good days will come with

perseverance.

cappie

Greater Boston Area

T-2 10/02 9/04 A1c: 5.3

max 100 carb diet, walking, Metformin.

ALA/EPO, Coq10, B12, ALC, Vit C

Cal/mag, low dose Biotin, full spectrum E,

Policosanol, fish oil cap,

fresh flax seed, multi vitamin,

Lovastatin 20 mg, Enalapril 10 mg

11/04:143 lbs (highest weight 309),

5' tall /age 66,

cappie@...

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