Guest guest Posted November 13, 2004 Report Share Posted November 13, 2004 In a message dated 11/13/04 9:44:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, 1185n@... writes: > >Repeatedly it has been said by many on >this list that people should not shoot insulin in order to justify eating a >large amount of carbs. >>>>>>>>>>>> I certainly don't say this. I don't agree with it at all. There are many ways to live with this disease, and some of us choose to use insulin rather than eat so few carbs that our lives become a misery to live. I'd prefer it if people didn't judge me for that. It's my life. The idea that someone has to justify what he or she does to deal with diabetes ticks me off. I am my own judge and jury, thanks, and no one else need apply for that job. > >And yet the person eating 100 carbs per day (I'm sorry, >can't recall your name) was told insulin and other meds could help -- before >trying cutting down on carbs?? >> Please read the original email before spouting off. The poster was asking for ideas on how to deal with those times when she wanted to eat more carbs. The person was not saying what can I do to avoid insulin use when I eat 100 grams of carbs per day. She said her control was pretty good, but wanted some excursions from her eating plan. > >Even the directions/cautions that come with the >metformin/glucophage insert state that controlled diet plus exercise should be >tried before trying glucophage. >>>>>>> Uh huh. I don't necessarily agree with this either, even if it says it in the insert. I believe the first consideration should be getting BG to a normal range, by whatever method works, and by whatever method is fastest. Then adjustments to meds and/ or insulin can be made. I think far too many doctors spout off about diet and exercise first when people would be better served by meds and/or insulin. If diet and exercise become effective, meds and/or insulin can be dropped later. Plus, I'd prefer no judgements from you or a doctor or a drug insert on my living my life as best suits me. If that means I shoot 100 units of humalog to cover a big old bowl of pasta, that's my choice. If that works and I keep my BG in as close to the normal range as possible, then as far as I'm concerned, I'm doing fine. I'm 41 years old. Based on the women in my family, I probably have another 40 years of life ahead of me, and I plan on living it in a way that works for me. So far, that hasn't included pizza, but I " ve only been diagnosed a year as of this coming week, and I very much doubt that I'll go 40 years without it. To quote kcd, observe, don't judge. Judging is always negative and rarely helpful. Stacey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2004 Report Share Posted November 13, 2004 At 09:43 AM 11/13/04, 1185n@... wrote: > Repeatedly it has been said by many on this list that people should not > shoot insulin in order to justify eating a >large amount of carbs. I think that the thing IS, that even though we may religiously watch carbs at home, it would be nice to *sometimes* be able to go out with friends and eat more carbs or even have the occasional indulgence at home or for a holiday (like Thanksgiving or Christmas) meal with family. This is why *I* would like to use Humalog or perhaps to try that fast-acting pill that I can't remember the name of. This doesn't mean that anyone is pigging out on carbs and then shooting insulin. Yes, I can and do eat low-carb. I can eat VERY low-carb. Doing that, however, can get terribly boring after several years (and I did this for many years before the diabetes dx). It's also time-consuming to fix proper low-carb meals for every meal of the day. If you want more interesting variety, then it gets expensive, too. While I will often fix things in advance so I can grab a quick meal when I'm on the run or just feeling lazy, some food is just better cooked right then. If you want to grab a quick bite and don't have anything pre-prepared or a leftover like meat and some veggies you have to grab some of the old standbys like of a hard boiled egg or cheese. There are only so many times that you can be thrilled with a hard-boiled egg or some slices of cheese, after all. sky Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts. http://www.skydancers.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2004 Report Share Posted November 13, 2004 I think a lot of people feel subconsciously that type 2 diabetes is a moral failure, that people are lazy gluttons and their diabetes is their own fault. Hence they must be punished by being put on strict, tasteless diets for the rest of their lives. It bothers them if the patients want to enjoy their food. My endo once said she was " surprised that you're using metformin as a crutch. " I'm already on a very low carb diet that keeps me from participating in most social occasions. She thought I could give up the metformin and be even stricter. Maybe by eliminating things like broccoli? The fact is, type 2 diabetes is a very complex disease that is caused by different things in different people, and for the same reason, different diets work best for different people. Having type 2 diabetes alone is disagreeable. There's no reason we should have to suffer any more. A person who doesn't particularly like starches and sweets anyway can go on a very low carb diet with relatively little deprivation. A person who loves those things shouldn't be expected to stick to the same diet. If that person prefers to eat more carbs and inject insulin, that person should be allowed to do so with no feelings of guilt. By the same token, a person who has always been a vegan and who doesn't like fatty foods can go on an Ornish diet and be quite happy. Someone who loves steak and hates brown rice would suffer on such a diet. YMMV. Gretchen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2004 Report Share Posted November 13, 2004 This is so true, Sky. After 7 years of pretty strict compliance on about a 100 carb per day regimen, I decided to let oatmeal back into my life now and then. I finally missed it enough that I decided it was worth the extra insulin needed in order to have it maybe once a week. And boy, have I enjoyed it! I use the steel-cut kind...and I count out exactly 12 currents (less carby than raisins but basically the same effect). And I use brown-sugar Twin. It doesn't require too much more insulin over my lowcarb cereal recipes. Vicki, letting up a little bit... Re: Re: carb levels > > At 09:43 AM 11/13/04, 1185n@... wrote: > >> Repeatedly it has been said by many on this list that people should >> not >> shoot insulin in order to justify eating a >>large amount of carbs. > > I think that the thing IS, that even though we may religiously watch > carbs > at home, it would be nice to *sometimes* be able to go out with > friends and > eat more carbs or even have the occasional indulgence at home or for a > holiday (like Thanksgiving or Christmas) meal with family. This is why > *I* > would like to use Humalog or perhaps to try that fast-acting pill that > I > can't remember the name of. This doesn't mean that anyone is pigging > out on > carbs and then shooting insulin. > > Yes, I can and do eat low-carb. I can eat VERY low-carb. Doing that, > however, can get terribly boring after several years (and I did this > for > many years before the diabetes dx). It's also time-consuming to fix > proper > low-carb meals for every meal of the day. If you want more interesting > variety, then it gets expensive, too. While I will often fix things > in > advance so I can grab a quick meal when I'm on the run or just feeling > lazy, some food is just better cooked right then. If you want to grab > a > quick bite and don't have anything pre-prepared or a leftover like > meat and > some veggies you have to grab some of the old standbys like of a hard > boiled egg or cheese. There are only so many times that you can be > thrilled > with a hard-boiled egg or some slices of cheese, after all. > > sky > > Not everything that counts can be counted, > and not everything that can be counted counts. > http://www.skydancers.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2004 Report Share Posted November 13, 2004 At 11:17 AM 11/13/04, whimsy2 wrote: >This is so true, Sky. > >After 7 years of pretty strict compliance on about a 100 carb per day >regimen, I decided to let oatmeal back into my life now and then. I >finally missed it enough that I decided it was worth the extra insulin >needed in order to have it maybe once a week. And boy, have I enjoyed >it! Hey, sister, hey! Hats and Horns. I DO like sweet things on occasion but I don't need sweet treats on a daily basis. I would kill, however, for a baked potato piled with butter and sour cream and all of the other things you can put on them. The butter and sour cream isn't the problem, of course. The potato is. But you know, I could even pass on the potato if I could just go out to Olive Garden with friends and actually EAT some of the pasta. If I could go to a Mexican or Thai or Chinese restaurant and not leave the rice or the beans or the sweet sauce. I'm starting to read Bernstein's book at last. Does he have a chapter that specifically addresses supplements? I can locate specific things using the index and contents but didn't see what might be a specific list. Of course I was watching Emiril Live cooking a Thanksgiving meal that included dishes that made me want to cry. I watch those shows even now because you never know when you can create a variation without the starchy things. >I use the steel-cut kind...and I count out exactly 12 currents (less >carby than raisins but basically the same effect). And I use >brown-sugar Twin. It doesn't require too much more insulin over my >lowcarb cereal recipes. I've never used brown-sugar Twin. I've often wished Splenda would come out with a brown sugar variation, though. I still don't like eating artificial sweetners but it beats nothing sweet at all. sky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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