Re: my doctor apt. this morning

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In a message dated 6/23/2004 11:43:27 AM Eastern Standard Time,

cris@... writes:

> What do you know about it? or where can I learn more about the correlation

> between the two?

> I guess I need to arm myself with more adrenal fatigue info, vs full blown

> adrenal problems.

>

I read a lot of stuff from the internet on " adrenal insufficiency " and

" hypoadrenalism " ...but I think the best info is from Peatfield's book...did you

order that one?

Cindi

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In a message dated 6/23/2004 11:46:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,

cris@... writes:

> I know...you're right - she is just sooooo much better than my last

> quack..ahh, I mean doctor.

> I at least feel there is hope. And I can get what I can from her, and then

> self treat, if necessary. I am hoping to not have to self treat - but I

> realize that is a possiblity.

>

> Where can I find information about DHEA being related to adrenal fatigue -

> low adrenal reserve?

>

>

yes...my endo is much better than the ENT...but I guess it's just hard to

find the " perfect " doc, huh? And I'm hoping this doc is really someone who will

work with you. Maybe she will. I just think we have to be viligant to look

out for ourselves sometimes....and I know you will.

The DHEA was also from Peatfield's book....and it seems I've read it one

other place. Try a search on " DHEA + low adrenal reserve " ...that might show

something.

Cindi

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In a message dated 6/23/2004 1:16:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, nc2406@...

writes:

> The DHEA was also from Peatfield's book....and it seems I've read it one

> other place

...seems I remember an article from the Dr. Lam site about adrenal

problems...anybody here know that link?

cindi

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In a message dated 6/23/2004 2:13:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,

cris@... writes:

>

> I haven't ordered peatfield's book yet. I have so many books here or ordered

> now!! but that is one I want to order - and Lowe's smaller book.

>

I am sure that we are all more well read on thyroid issues than any doc we go

too.

Cindi

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that was a concern I had when she said that. She was and is so up on everything

else, and was so willing to run everything else - but that...I figured I'd wait

until we go the next step, and when she gives me my levels, maybe I can arm

myself to ask more questions and talk her into that test.

What do you know about it? or where can I learn more about the correlation

between the two?

I guess I need to arm myself with more adrenal fatigue info, vs full blown

adrenal problems.

thx!

Cris

Re: my doctor apt. this morning

In a message dated 6/23/2004 10:36:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,

cris@... writes:

> . She runs potassium and some other things, which she says will show an

> indication of a problem. If

Only if you're about dead with 's I think...I think overall....adrenal

fatigue just does not show up in labs.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

I know...you're right - she is just sooooo much better than my last quack..ahh,

I mean doctor.

I at least feel there is hope. And I can get what I can from her, and then self

treat, if necessary. I am hoping to not have to self treat - but I realize that

is a possiblity.

Where can I find information about DHEA being related to adrenal fatigue - low

adrenal reserve?

I need amo for the fight for the adrenal testing and treatment -

Thx!

I am guessing, but don't know - that she'll want to do more bloodwork after she

gives me more armour. And - if the anti-bodies are high - we're in a totally

different ball game...

Cris

Re: my doctor apt. this morning

In a message dated 6/23/2004 10:36:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,

cris@... writes:

> So even if she does dose by TSH, she's reasonable with it.

No Chris...I know you like her...and I like my endo too..but when they do

this...they ARE WRONG....so be prepared. It is us allowing this type of

doctoring that has kept us so sick. I'm sure their intentions are good....but

if they

don't treat our symptoms....and instead treat our labs....they are not doing

right by us. I really don't mean to be harsh...and I do think you're on the

right track...but if you get to a TSH of 1.0 and you still have

symptoms....the heck with the TSH. Many, many women only feel better when that

TSH is

totally suppressed.

On the DHEA....one of the best reasons for testing that is that a low DHEA

indicates low adrenal reserve.

Cindi

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Cris,

I was reading this week that blood pressure meds interfere with thyroid. I

think it was Lowes book. I will look it up and send you the info. He was

making a point that docs were so uninformed that they regularly did this,

nne

I really like my new doctor - still !!

She put me on a low dose of blood pressure med. My blood pressure has come

down to normal, but it was high,

[Guest guest]

http://www.drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/adrenal_fatigue.cfm

Here it is Cindi, and

nne

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From: nc2406@...

Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 1:40 PM

To: NaturalThyroidHormones

Subject: Re: my doctor apt. this morning

In a message dated 6/23/2004 1:16:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,

nc2406@...

writes:

> The DHEA was also from Peatfield's book....and it seems I've read it one

> other place

...seems I remember an article from the Dr. Lam site about adrenal

problems...anybody here know that link?

cindi

[Guest guest]

Did you find it?

I'll check out lowes site this afternoon - later - if I don't hear from you. I

have to get off of the computer right now - finish checking my e-mail!!

thanks! this will make a difference - she did understand my reluctance to go on

it - but was more concerned about what the high blood pressure was doing to me,

and she put me on a newer, very low dose, and she didn't feel it should cause

any problems......I'll have to look at what the med is called. and...if...I got

what she wrote it for. I didn't even look at it before I dropped it off.

Normally I do. Thx a bunch!!!

Cris

RE: my doctor apt. this morning

Cris,

I was reading this week that blood pressure meds interfere with thyroid. I

think it was Lowes book. I will look it up and send you the info. He was

making a point that docs were so uninformed that they regularly did this,

nne

I really like my new doctor - still !!

She put me on a low dose of blood pressure med. My blood pressure has come

down to normal, but it was high,

[Guest guest]

I haven't ordered peatfield's book yet. I have so many books here or ordered

now!! but that is one I want to order - and Lowe's smaller book.

Cris

Re: my doctor apt. this morning

In a message dated 6/23/2004 11:43:27 AM Eastern Standard Time,

cris@... writes:

> What do you know about it? or where can I learn more about the correlation

> between the two?

> I guess I need to arm myself with more adrenal fatigue info, vs full blown

> adrenal problems.

>

I read a lot of stuff from the internet on " adrenal insufficiency " and

" hypoadrenalism " ...but I think the best info is from Peatfield's book...did you

order that one?

Cindi

[Guest guest]

I'll try a search later on - if i can get on again today. I forgot I have a

meeting for our school's marching band program - so I may not be back on until

tomorrow.

thanks a bunch!! I'll scream if I find any good info!

Cris

Re: my doctor apt. this morning

In a message dated 6/23/2004 11:46:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,

cris@... writes:

> I know...you're right - she is just sooooo much better than my last

> quack..ahh, I mean doctor.

> I at least feel there is hope. And I can get what I can from her, and then

> self treat, if necessary. I am hoping to not have to self treat - but I

> realize that is a possiblity.

>

> Where can I find information about DHEA being related to adrenal fatigue -

> low adrenal reserve?

>

>

yes...my endo is much better than the ENT...but I guess it's just hard to

find the " perfect " doc, huh? And I'm hoping this doc is really someone who will

work with you. Maybe she will. I just think we have to be viligant to look

out for ourselves sometimes....and I know you will.

The DHEA was also from Peatfield's book....and it seems I've read it one

other place. Try a search on " DHEA + low adrenal reserve " ...that might show

something.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

Thank you! I've never been to dr lam's site, I don't believe! Hoping it has lots

of good information !

Cris

RE: my doctor apt. this morning

http://www.drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/adrenal_fatigue.cfm

Here it is Cindi, and

nne

[Guest guest]

This is what I have - it says it's an 'Ace inhibitor'

I wonder if that is the same as a beta-blocker referred to in Dr. Lowes book.

http://www.pdrhealth.com/drug_info/rxdrugprofiles/drugs/zes1498.shtml

I also take neurontin - not for seizures, but to help calm my nerve endings to

help with pain. It sounds like it could be bad with thyroid meds also -

hmmmmm !!!

Cris

RE: my doctor apt. this morning

Hey Cris.

Page 315-316 from Dr. Lowes book.Many patients take beta-blockers for mild

hypertension. Some of these patients' hypertension is caused by too little

thyroid hormone regulation. For them, a high-enough dose of the proper form

of the thyroid hormone can reduce their blood pressure to normal. If

patients are to benefit from the use of thyroid hormone, they must stop

taking beta-blockers. Otherwise the beta blockers will nullify the effects

for the thyroid hormone on the body. To our amazement, some patients who

with consult us have been taking both beta-blockers and thyroid hormone for

years-both prescribed by the same doctor.

Beta-Blocking Drugs. Beta-blocking drugs impair metabolism by binding to

beta-receptors. Binding of the drugs to the receptors prevents the

nerve-transmitters adrenaline and noradrenalin from binding to the

receptors. When these and other metabolism driving chemicals can't bind to

beta-receptor, cell metabolism slows down. Hyperthyroid patients whose

tissues are over stimulated often use beta-blockers to stop the over

stimulation. The main reason hyperthyroid causes over stimulation is that

the excess thyroid hormone overly increases the density of beta-receptors on

cell membranes. With so many beta-receptors on the membranes, even small

amounts of adrenaline and noradrenalin cause cell metabolism to race. The

effect is much like taking too much caffeine. Because of the way thyroid

hormone works in the body, the beta-blocker is able to stop the over

stimulation.

I will post some other interesting things he says next.

nne

[Guest guest]

This is good to know! thanks!

I'm guessing too, that once the armour is optimized, I won't have problems - and

the problems I've had, are probably because of the synthroid - and not having

enough of that too -

How long are you going to treat his adrenals before you start the armour again?

Let me know how it goes!

Cris

RE: my doctor apt. this morning

Hey Cris.

Page 315-316 from Dr. Lowes book.Many patients take beta-blockers for mild

hypertension. Some of these patients' hypertension is caused by too little

thyroid hormone regulation. For them, a high-enough dose of the proper form

of the thyroid hormone can reduce their blood pressure to normal. If

patients are to benefit from the use of thyroid hormone, they must stop

taking beta-blockers. Otherwise the beta blockers will nullify the effects

for the thyroid hormone on the body. To our amazement, some patients who

with consult us have been taking both beta-blockers and thyroid hormone for

years-both prescribed by the same doctor.

Beta-Blocking Drugs. Beta-blocking drugs impair metabolism by binding to

beta-receptors. Binding of the drugs to the receptors prevents the

nerve-transmitters adrenaline and noradrenalin from binding to the

receptors. When these and other metabolism driving chemicals can't bind to

beta-receptor, cell metabolism slows down. Hyperthyroid patients whose

tissues are over stimulated often use beta-blockers to stop the over

stimulation. The main reason hyperthyroid causes over stimulation is that

the excess thyroid hormone overly increases the density of beta-receptors on

cell membranes. With so many beta-receptors on the membranes, even small

amounts of adrenaline and noradrenalin cause cell metabolism to race. The

effect is much like taking too much caffeine. Because of the way thyroid

hormone works in the body, the beta-blocker is able to stop the over

stimulation.

I will post some other interesting things he says next.

nne

[Guest guest]

Hi, Cris,

My estrogen was low. Progesterone in the normal range. But the ratio of estrogen

to progesterone was high so that I still have estrogen dominance. Weird, huh?

in Va.

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Since my bloodwork is done for now, I'm going to start using the progesterone

cream I bought more often. So many symptoms of the estrogen dominance sound like

me. I don't think she ran any of my estrogen levels - Thx! I'll know to ask her

- providing I remember! if she tells me it's normal or high!

Cris

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/26/2004 1:47:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,

jreid69@... writes:

> I echo, how do I find a physician who will listen to me?

>

Jen...I doubt that you will find a doctor to listen to you. I barely even

tried. And like you, I also had regular periods (although heavy because of the

hypo). Ialso have had asthma for 10 years, but was able to stop using an

inhaler when I started Armour. But i still have some chest problems after

exercise that I am hoping the adrenal support helps over time.

Adrenal fatigue just is not treated in the country by doctors - except

perhaps a holistic one. I learned quite a bit about how to treat from reading

(especially Peatfield) and from the ladies on the " thyroid " yahoo group (many

who

have self treated). You are going to have to trust your body and treat

yourself. I was scared to death...but going on Day 6 and already feeling lots

better.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

I went to my useless doc yet again on Thursday as I feel like I'm coming

down with pneumonia, yet again. I brought up that I felt I had chronic

adrenal insufficiency and he got that look on his face like you poor silly

stupid, not doctor, type person. He asked how my periods were. I said like

clock-work, but sometimes they make me ill. He said well abnormal periods

are always associated with adrenal issues. And then he gave me a handful

of free anti-depressants, Lexapro.

I left in tears with a prescription for an inhaler.(On friday I began

spiking a fever, I'm pretty sure it's pneumonia again).

When I got home I pulled out the ol' Merck manual and looked up adrenal

insufficiency, 's, etc. Abnormal menstruation was not mentioned as a

symptom under any of those diseases. I did find something interesting, it

indicated that hyperpigmentation could be a sign/symptom of adrenal

insufficiency. About the beginning of June a place appeared on my forearm

that was red. I thought it was a rash, it now is just a darker colored area

on my forearm (hyperpigmentation). I know I'm suffering from chronic

adrenal insufficiency. I have many of the symptoms.

I echo, how do I find a physician who will listen to me?

Jen

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In a message dated 6/25/2004 3:26:19 AM Eastern Standard Time,

cubfan23@... writes:

> And if WE mention the adrenals, we are told that's so rare and they don't

> want to test it! Well, maybe it's rare because they either don't test or

they

> don't recognize there's a problem from the test results!

>

or perhaps they get more perks by prescribing an anti-depressant.

Also...i think they get scared of the state medical boards investigating

them

for prescribing something if there isn't a LAB TEST which has clearly shown

the person is ABNORMAL.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

I'm going to talk to my gyny on this issue. She's young - and up on these

things. And, I think she's willing to 'be creative' in treating problems. I

still never called to find out when I'm due for my annual apt. - but when I go,

I'm going to ask her to run tests for my different hormone levels. In the meant

time, I am using the progesterone ointment - I'll stop it before I see her. Not

sure how long it stays active though. I read somewhere - here, that it can build

up -

so - if you had more progesterone than estrogen - in the 'formula' of normal -

it does seem odd that progesterone would be the key.

that means that we need a ton more progesterone to estrogen -

except, I'm sure that really doesn't mean that - it has to do with how our

bodies are using it -

oye vey!!! LOL

CRis

Re: my doctor apt. this morning

Hi, Cris,

My estrogen was low. Progesterone in the normal range. But the ratio of estrogen

to progesterone was high so that I still have estrogen dominance. Weird, huh?

in Va.

-----

Since my bloodwork is done for now, I'm going to start using the progesterone

cream I bought more often. So many symptoms of the estrogen dominance sound like

me. I don't think she ran any of my estrogen levels - Thx! I'll know to ask her

- providing I remember! if she tells me it's normal or high!

Cris

----- Original Message -----

[Guest guest]

Progesterone can be converted to either estrogen or cortisol if the body needs

it.

in Va.

I'm going to talk to my gyny on this issue. She's young - and up on these

things. And, I think she's willing to 'be creative' in treating problems. I

still never called to find out when I'm due for my annual apt. - but when I go,

I'm going to ask her to run tests for my different hormone levels. In the meant

time, I am using the progesterone ointment - I'll stop it before I see her. Not

sure how long it stays active though. I read somewhere - here, that it can build

up -

so - if you had more progesterone than estrogen - in the 'formula' of normal -

it does seem odd that progesterone would be the key.

that means that we need a ton more progesterone to estrogen -

except, I'm sure that really doesn't mean that - it has to do with how our

bodies are using it -

oye vey!!! LOL

CRis

[Guest guest]

ahhhh!!

I still have the papers you sent - printed out - but not all read, I'm sorry to

say -

I have to remember to put this on every day too!!

I'd be better off having a jar by my bed to do it when I go to sleep -

unless that is the wrong time to apply it!

Cris

Re: my doctor apt. this morning

Progesterone can be converted to either estrogen or cortisol if the body needs

it.

in Va.

I'm going to talk to my gyny on this issue. She's young - and up on these

things. And, I think she's willing to 'be creative' in treating problems. I

still never called to find out when I'm due for my annual apt. - but when I go,

I'm going to ask her to run tests for my different hormone levels. In the meant

time, I am using the progesterone ointment - I'll stop it before I see her. Not

sure how long it stays active though. I read somewhere - here, that it can build

up -

so - if you had more progesterone than estrogen - in the 'formula' of normal -

it does seem odd that progesterone would be the key.

that means that we need a ton more progesterone to estrogen -

except, I'm sure that really doesn't mean that - it has to do with how our

bodies are using it -

oye vey!!! LOL

CRis

[Guest guest]

thanks !

- will they hurt the adrenals? LOL

sheese - it is amazing how interconnected all of this stuff is!

I could be taking something to increase my aldosterone - and then this and it

would be lowering it!!

Cris

Re: my doctor apt. this morning

> This is what I have - it says it's an 'Ace inhibitor'

> I wonder if that is the same as a beta-blocker referred to in Dr. Lowes

book.

[Guest guest]

Cris,

That is a perfect time to apply it!

in Va.

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ahhhh!!

I still have the papers you sent - printed out - but not all read, I'm sorry

to

say -

I have to remember to put this on every day too!!

I'd be better off having a jar by my bed to do it when I go to sleep -

unless that is the wrong time to apply it!

Cris

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