Re: flexseed versus fish oil

[Guest guest]

misa,

The difference is that fish oil has the Omega 3 broken down and flax seed does

not. If your child has a problem with the essential enzyme (D6D) then, flax

seed will do only minimal good. Fish oil is the best bet with children who

suffer from apraxia. I would also make sure the GLA is in the product you have

for your child.

I am new to the group. My name is Lynn Sherwood. I am a neurodevelopmental

educationalist. We are in the process of launching our ministry to learning

disabled children. I do not consider myself a final expert. I joined this

group to both share and learn. Thank you for the opportunity!!!

Shalom,

Lynn

[ ] flexseed versus fish oil

does anybody know what is the difference? I just read on another

board the flexseed oil does have the omega 3 fatty acid in it too. I

am confused now. Is it the same as the fish oil (I started my

daughter on ultimate omega complete omega)? Does it have the same

affect?

thanks a lot

misa

[Guest guest]

Thanks Lynn for the great answer, welcome, and Happy New Year!

Hope all are enjoying the day -here in Florida it was in the 80's

and sunny and it's crazy that on Jan 1 instead of freezing as usual -

our family (and our new pooch Simba) were swimming in the ocean and

off the boat! (but we love this type of crazy)

Here is an archive on EFAs -flax vs fish oil. One other thing I

want to add is that more is not always better -it depends what you

add more of. When you add more " EFAs " , you change the ratio of the

Omega 3 to the Omega 6 which may or may not be a good thing. Not

that it will hurt the child -but since we are all looking for what

helps the most just thought I'd add that too. If you check the

archives -some that reported the ProEFA wasn't working for example -

were also using cod liver oil together with the ProEFA. I suggested stopping

the cod liver oil and just use the ProEFA and that's

when they reported surges. Raising the Omega 3 over the Omega 6 is

needed at times. There are a few children that need the higher DHA -

most children here don't. Most do better with a higher EPA. Remember -

all that matters are formula, dosage and quality of the oils:

~~~~~~~~~~archived message

" Most of our experience is with one, 1.0 gram capsule of ProEFA

(Complete Omega) that contains 144 mg EPA, 99 mg DHA and 40 mg of

GLA. We know that this combination appeared to work well. There were

some other supplements used but we could not conclude anything about

them. I can only say that both EPA and DHA are important and GLA

appears to have an additional positive effect on speech.

ALA, linoleic and oleic acids in " The Total Omega " contribute very

little to the EPA, DHA, and GLA effect.

I see at least 2 possibilities that you could use if you decide to

make the transition from short-chain omega-3s in plants (flax seed

oil containing alpha-linolenic acid or ALA, C18:2n-3) to the long-

chain mixture of EPA (C20:5n-3) and DHA (C22:6n-3). These are DHA

Jr. (30 mg DHA and 20 mg EPA in a serving unit) and Coromega (350 mg

EPA and 230 mg DHA). Both of these have been anecdotally successful

in the past.

Coromega can be divided in two and taken one half in the morning the

other in the evening. If you choose this mode you will provide your

son with the equivalent EPA+DHA of 2 ProEFA capsules per day without

the GLA.

Flax seed oil or freshly ground flax seeds are an excellent source

of the essential omega-3 alpha-linolenic acid (ALA or LNA) which is

the quintessential parent member of the omega-3 family of essential

fatty acids (EFAs). The body transforms it into EPA and the EPA into

DHA.

This transformation is very inefficient (the yield is about 10%) and

is further inhibited by over consumption of omega-6 fatty acids from

most vegetable oils or certain disease states. Therefore, it is

advisable to independently consume also ready made EPA and DHA from

good quality fish of from high quality fish oil supplements. Some

recommended intakes are listed on the Introductory lecture on EFAs

that I gave at the First Conference on Therapy of Verbal Apraxia,

July 23-24, 2001, town, NJ. (http://www.apraxia.cc)

None of these materials present with any known side effects or

known toxicity in an otherwise healthy person. Nevertheless, we

advise every user of supplements to use them under medical

supervision. We don't know your child and we cannot provide you

with medical advice.

Sincerely,

Katz, Ph.D. "

( http://www.cherab.org/news/scientific.html )

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[Guest guest]

,

Thank you for that explaination. Your comments confirm much of my research. I

was wondering if you would email me offline, for I would like you to preview for

information I have before I pass it out?! I do not want to give false

information to anyone. You can reach me at lynn@.... Thanks.

Shalom,

Lynn

[ ] Re: flexseed versus fish oil

Thanks Lynn for the great answer, welcome, and Happy New Year!

Hope all are enjoying the day -here in Florida it was in the 80's

and sunny and it's crazy that on Jan 1 instead of freezing as usual -

our family (and our new pooch Simba) were swimming in the ocean and

off the boat! (but we love this type of crazy)

Here is an archive on EFAs -flax vs fish oil. One other thing I

want to add is that more is not always better -it depends what you

add more of. When you add more " EFAs " , you change the ratio of the

Omega 3 to the Omega 6 which may or may not be a good thing. Not

that it will hurt the child -but since we are all looking for what

helps the most just thought I'd add that too. If you check the

archives -some that reported the ProEFA wasn't working for example -

were also using cod liver oil together with the ProEFA. I suggested stopping

the cod liver oil and just use the ProEFA and that's

when they reported surges. Raising the Omega 3 over the Omega 6 is

needed at times. There are a few children that need the higher DHA -

most children here don't. Most do better with a higher EPA. Remember -

all that matters are formula, dosage and quality of the oils:

[Guest guest]

Hi Lynn,

It was I that posted the archived message from CHERAB's former EFA

Director of Research Katz PhD. Dr. Katz assisted us in

coordinating the First Apraxia Conference

http://www.cherab.org/news/scientific.html and you can read more

from Dr. Katz here

http://www.cherab.org/information/dietaryeffects/efawhatsthat.html

Dr. Jackie Stordy http://www.drstordy.com the co author of The LCP

Solution with Malcolm Nicholl is another researcher who has shared

in this forum about EFAs. (Malcolm Nicholl is also my co author of

The Late Talker with developmental pediatrician Marilyn Agin MD who

is another advisor to CHERAB. In our book we also have an entire

chapter on EFAs and speech) There are others who do not share here

but that will advise off list when needed.

Due to the high activity in this group and the fact that many of the

professional advisors

http://www.cherab.org/information/speechlanguage/advisoryboard.html

in the past that posted with their own email addresses were

overwhelmed with private emails, 50 to 60 a day -some today choose

to answer privately or have me post answers for them so that when

they dedicate time to help -their messages can be posted here to

help all -and archived for future use as Dr. Katz's message now

is. I'd like to take this moment to remind all that it's difficult

to keep up with private emails as well as keep up here, so we

encourage all to please post questions here when possible.

Lynn, please do not feel you have to have your answers here approved prior

to posting. There are a number of professionals that are advisors

to CHERAB past and present who are there to oversee and advise -not

dictate. This grouplist is an open forum to share all views and

opinions in an intelligent manor -and we encourage all to do so

freely. Those of us that run this CHERAB grouplist do not believe

in censorship even though if something is posted that is not a

belief shared by others -we encourage those that wish to do so to

add, correct or disagree as long as all is done is a respectful

manor.

If you would for other reasons however like the email addresses of

some of the professionals who do not wish to share them here -please

email me off list at lisa@... (lisa at cherab.org)

I read you are a neurodevelopmental educationalist in the process of launching

our ministry to learning disabled children, and I know I

speak for all of us in saying we are so looking forward to hearing

more from you. In particular -do you have any views on the issue of

using verbal based cognitive or receptive testing on verbal disabled

children?

http://www.cherab.org/news/verbaldisabledtest.html Just like in

the story behind the movie " Stand and Deliver " -I love the

quote " students will rise to the level of expectations "

http://www.kcbx.net/~jbunin/files/reviews/teachers.html which is

most likely based in proof by the research of Dr. Rosenthal.

http://www.pineforge.com/newman4study/resources/rosenthal1.htm I've

spoken to Dr. Rosenthal about the current testing problem our society

and school systems are placing on verbal disabled children, how this

is discriminatory - and the damaging impact of using this type of

testing based on what his research proves. Dr. Rosenthal is shocked

to say the least -and agrees with my views on this -he

believes this should be studied as well. Please contact me if you

are interested in learning more about this too.

Again Lynn -we are happy to have you here as part of the group!

Welcome and Happy New Year!

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[Guest guest]

,

Thank you very much for your email. I love the book, " The LCP Solution " .

Actually, I wrote up an article with that book providing much of the

information. I often suggest the book to people. I am anxious to read your

book.

It pains me to know that children are having to deal with the system and their

answer to testing of our children. I just read a length bio on your site

concerning this very situation. Which diagnostic test do you suggest? Is it

the UNIT that is best?

As for the question about Omega 3, Borage Oil and anti-flammatory agents, you

can check out an article I have on my website (www.shalomranch.org) under

Prostaglandins, Omega and brain function.

Also, one of the things I really believe in is teaching all children how to

read. Dr. Hilde Mosse did much for the advancement of teaching children with

severe language disorders. She used a method called The Spalding Method

(www.spalding.org). I also have notes that go along with their text (The

Writing Road to Reading) on my site.

Shalom Aleichem,

Lynn