Re: Digest Number 631

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For those of us trying to understand the differences/similarities between

CFS and mito disease Dr. Bell's response when I asked for his

opinon on having a muscle biopsy was that the connection between the

illnesses were " interesting....but complex " . He said he was involved in a

study a number of years ago in which PWCFS had muscle biopsies done at

Tufts and what was found was not a specific Mito disease but rather minor

problems in the resperatory chain in the Mito.....so some of the mito

exzymes might be off but that may not lead to a specific classification

of Mito disease.....

I have more specific muscle problems than some PWCFSers though so in my

case he thought it could be a worthwhile thing to do. Of course there is

also the possibility that some of us just have the wrong diagnosis of CFS

instead of Mito and there would be no way to know without the testing.

Hope this information is of use. Maybe will have a response? best,

Beth S

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Hi Mark! Geoff Crenshaw here.

> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 17:47:32 -0500

> From: MHOLMES@... (HOLMES, MARK T.)

> Subject: Re: AMA feature

>

> Despite Geoff's AMA bashing, it does have a handy feature at the AMA

site -

Mark, you give me too much credit! I just can't accept it. This isn't

hardly creative eough to qualify as " real " bashing.This is just amateur

mimickery!

After all, it _is_ " THEIR " history word-for-word off " THEIR " web site

with just a few comments interlinneated but clearly apart from " THEIRS " .

And I did end with:

<< If that purpose coincides with my needs, I benefit. If my

needs are at odds with the AMA, its ability to prevent me from

fulfilling my needs is nearly incomprehensible - but not perfect.>>

I can see that I am going to have to get MUCH more creative if I am ever

to accept such credit candidly. (ha,ha,ha -- LOL)

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Hi Kiana!

> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:02:54 -0800

> From: RK Rossi <bornfree@...>

> Subject: Re: Digest Number 628

>

> Just wanted to let you know that Lyme Disease is caused by a bacteria,

> not a virus.

Now see - there you are - the perfect explanation of why __I__ am NOT a

doctor!! <VBG!>

I can just see myself looking down at some poor soul lying prostrate on

a gurney and saying, " oops! "

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> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 17:08:37 -0700

> From: Bob Fain <BobFain@...>

> Subject: Re: sprouted bread

>

> What I don't understand is that if I can't have wheat, what is the

difference

It's not " can't have wheat -- forever. " It's " take a break from wheat

for awhile. " Let your system get clean, rested and begin to strengthen.

THEN go about trying your usual and/or the other goodies but do it in

deliberate fashion just as you would a newborn baby. Whether it's spelt

or sprouts, the advice/concept is to just give yourself a break for

awhile FIRST.

(BTW - it's easier said, than done. Until you start looking and find

that most people eat only a handful of foods prepared in many different

ways, and realize there are literally millions of foods still available

that we just don't " normally " use.)

HTH

Geoff

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Dear Beth,

Were these biospies done before 1988? It is only been since that time that

mito diseases in adults have been more aggressively studied. Source is MDA

site under mitochrondrical diseases. There is a newsletter called Quest

which contains articles on the MIto disorders. Was up last night looking at

them to prepare for today - HOPE I am taken seriously!

CHristie

>From: esp <esp@...>

>

>For those of us trying to understand the differences/similarities between

>CFS and mito disease Dr. Bell's response when I asked for his

>opinon on having a muscle biopsy was that the connection between the

>illnesses were " interesting....but complex " . He said he was involved in a

>study a number of years ago in which PWCFS had muscle biopsies done at

>Tufts and what was found was not a specific Mito disease but rather minor

>problems in the resperatory chain in the Mito.....so some of the mito

>exzymes might be off but that may not lead to a specific classification

>of Mito disease.....

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Hey all,

I just wanted to say that my mom just gave me my vaccination records this

past weekend and I didn't even receive my first one until I was like a year

and a half... no wonder these babies are having so many adverse reactions...

their poor immune systems are being overloaded! Plus, I didn't get nearly as

many as they give children today!

I'm glad I haven't gotten my 14 month old daughter vaccinated!

That's all!

Alison

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You know I recently went looking for my vaccination records as my mom had sent

them to me a few yrs ago and I put them away. I didnt get to many either but the

interesting thing is my mom did a really good job at charting my colds and

illnesses and according to her records I got ill within 2 weeks of each of my

shots one requiring me to be hosptialized due to vomiting and dehydration.

Another one I got my Measles shot and ended up with measles a month later.

It got me thinking about something she once had told me. She got a polio

vaccince as a child and later developed Scoliosis. She had said something to the

effect that she had gotten a mild from of polio as the doctors told her it was

a result of a bad batch of the polio vaccine. She had immune problems her

entire life. Does anybody know about this bad batch of polio vaccine? It would

have been in the early 50's.

Alison73inLa@... wrote:

> Hey all,

> I just wanted to say that my mom just gave me my vaccination records this

> past weekend and I didn't even receive my first one until I was like a year

> and a half... no wonder these babies are having so many adverse reactions...

> their poor immune systems are being overloaded! Plus, I didn't get nearly as

> many as they give children today!

> I'm glad I haven't gotten my 14 month old daughter vaccinated!

> That's all!

> Alison

>

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At 10:13 PM 04/11/2000 -0400, you wrote:

>You know I recently went looking for my vaccination records as my mom had

sent

>them to me a few yrs ago and I put them away. I didnt get to many either

but the

>interesting thing is my mom did a really good job at charting my colds and

>illnesses and according to her records I got ill within 2 weeks of each of my

>shots one requiring me to be hosptialized due to vomiting and dehydration.

>Another one I got my Measles shot and ended up with measles a month later.

>

>It got me thinking about something she once had told me. She got a polio

>vaccince as a child and later developed Scoliosis. She had said something

to the

>effect that she had gotten a mild from of polio as the doctors told her

it was

>a result of a bad batch of the polio vaccine. She had immune problems her

>entire life. Does anybody know about this bad batch of polio vaccine? It

would

>have been in the early 50's.

Wow! That's amazing information.

The probably were and still are a lot of bad batches of polio vaccine.

Don't know specifically.

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Wasn't the SV40 fiasco in the 50's?

It got me thinking about something she once had told me. She got a polio

> >vaccince as a child and later developed Scoliosis. She had said something

>to the

> >effect that she had gotten a mild from of polio as the doctors told her

>it was

> >a result of a bad batch of the polio vaccine. She had immune problems

>her

> >entire life. Does anybody know about this bad batch of polio vaccine? It

>would

> >have been in the early 50's.

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Curious to know how many vaccines you had before starting school, as it is

now 33 in the US...

>You know I recently went looking for my vaccination records as my mom had

>sent

>them to me a few yrs ago and I put them away.

>

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Hello

I may have written to the wrong person on Sunday, about the mosquitoes. But on

a practical note, I am going to visit my brother in upstate NY this week, the

West Nile Virus has been found in his town.... Anyway, he said that the risk is

for people who have weak immune systems, the very young and the old or ill. For

the rest of us, if we get bitten, we may experience flu symptoms.

Not that realistic information like this matters much to a child in the midst of

OCD, but the question was raised about how to handle " real risks " - so there's my

understanding of the risk.

In these situations, the way to tap into the Boss back stance is asking a child

whether she wants to be worrying about mosquitoes or enjoying x,y,z activities

for the end of the summer. When OCD is framed in terms of extra, unpleasant

work, kids can tap into NOT wanting to do work and wanting to boss back the one

who is " assigning " the work. This is what I call pointing to " the fork in the

road " even a young child can relate to the idea of your holding out two hands-

in one hand is fun, freedom, playing, in the other hand is worry, fear, and

rituals. Faced with having to pick between one hand or the other, she begins to

get the idea that there is a choice that she can work hard to teach " brain bug "

a lesson, that he's giving false alarms, mistakes and that she doesn't have to

listen any more!

PS: Kathy H. I so appreciate your sharing how far you go with Steve in playing

with otherwise scary concepts of death. This kind of fearless going for broke

stands about OCD's absurdity are so valuable. You're saying that you are

willing to go into those dark rooms that only OCD has inhabited and turn on the

light- reveal that like pulling back the curtain in the Wizard of Oz, - OCD

really is just a glitch- no superstition, no holder of truth etc.just this

hiccup in English.

Best to all

Tamar Chansky, Ph.D.

[Guest guest]

HI Dr. Chansky:

Good luck fighting off the West Nile Virus in upstate NY.

Thanks for the encouragement about the death obsessions work. Sometimes it

must seem over the top but we just have to joke about this. I tell Steve

that several psychiatric experts have determined that my cancer caused his

OCD so that there is no way that his OCD can cause my cancer! You can

imagine how long it took me to joke about this.

Your fork in the road analogy is so powerful for teaching children they

have a choice about how they respond to OCD. These are such helpful and

powerful ideas it is suprising that we do not teach them to all children,

not just those with OCD and other NBDs. Take care, aloha, Kathy (H)

kathyh@...

At 08:51 PM 08/28/2000 +0000, you wrote:

>Hello

>

>I may have written to the wrong person on Sunday, about the mosquitoes.

But on a practical note, I am going to visit my brother in upstate NY this

week, the West Nile Virus has been found in his town.... Anyway, he said

that the risk is for people who have weak immune systems, the very young

and the old or ill. For the rest of us, if we get bitten, we may experience

flu symptoms.

>

>In these situations, the way to tap into the Boss back stance is asking a

child whether she wants to be worrying about mosquitoes or enjoying x,y,z

activities for the end of the summer. When OCD is framed in terms of

extra, unpleasant work, kids can tap into NOT wanting to do work and

wanting to boss back the one who is " assigning " the work. This is what I

call pointing to " the fork in the road " even a young child can relate to

the idea of your holding out two hands- in one hand is fun, freedom,

playing, in the other hand is worry, fear, and rituals. Faced with having

to pick between one hand or the other, she begins to get the idea that

there is a choice that she can work hard to teach " brain bug " a lesson,

that he's giving false alarms, mistakes and that she doesn't have to listen

any more!

>

>PS: Kathy H. I so appreciate your sharing how far you go with Steve in

playing with otherwise scary concepts of death. This kind of fearless

going for broke stands about OCD's absurdity are so valuable. You're

saying that you are willing to go into those dark rooms that only OCD has

inhabited and turn on the light- reveal that like pulling back the curtain

in the Wizard of Oz, - OCD really is just a glitch- no superstition, no

holder of truth etc.just this hiccup in English.

>

>Best to all

>

>Tamar Chansky, Ph.D.

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Hi List;

Answering two questions here. . . sorry I don't post

much anymore. . my hands have been very, very weak and

painful latley and I have very little control over my

fingers and hands!

1.Gretchens question about medical records and storing

them.

>>>Now, my question, keeping reports and other written

materials that are 8 1/2 x 11 size is easy, but now I

have amassed quite a collection of oversize Xrays,

MRI's, etc. <<<<

Gretchen;

Have you thought about a plastic flat rubber made

sweater box that fits under the bed?

2. is new to our list and in process of

diagnosis.

>>>>Message: 2

Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:49:02 -0000

From: jgalbo@...

Subject: New to

Hi everyone,

I'm in the process of being diagnosed with CMT. My

father had it, and I've had symptoms for several

years. I had blood drawn last week to be sent to

Athena Diagnostics. Also, I'm having an EMG/NCV in a

couple of weeks.

I know CMT affects everyone differently, but I was

wondering if any of you feel pain all over your body,

not just in your hands and feet. I feel pain in those

places, but also all the way up through my shoulders

and hips. Sometimes my neck is affected, also. I

don't have the hot/cold problem, just very sharp,

stabbing pains that come at no particular time and for

no particular reason. I also have a lot of

numbness/tingling in my hands and feet, especially

when I try to go to sleep at night and when I'm

driving.

Do any of you have similar types of pain? I guess I'm

just frustrated, because all of this started about a

month ago. Until then, I rarely experienced pain or

tingling. Lately, though, it's everyday!

Thanks,<<<<<<<<<

;

Welcome to the list; Hope it will help you as

much as it helps me; a very good source of support.

In answer to your questions. . . I experience allot of

pain, at differnt times. I am sore to the touch. . .I

suspect in addition to my CMT, I have arthritis and

or, fibromyalgia. . .I have about 15 of the 18 points

they test fibromyalgia with; and gradually moving to

the other three. The muscles in the neck shoulders,

back of the arms, the hips or thighs. . . are all

related areas. I also have joint pain, and CMT

pain(nerve and muscl-sketetal)and pretty severe at

times. . . consider that with CMT (weakness and

atrophy of muscles)it takes us 3 to 4 times the effort

so it is no wonder we feel much of the time like we've

had an excessive workout, even though we don't think

we've done much to cause it! I know it feels like

" overnight " you've developed this but its been going

on ( normally for most it's slwo enoough

progression)for sometime but your body can and does

compensate for much of it up to a certain point then

it's like the case of the " straw that breaks the

camel's back " . My biggest advice is to " learn " to

listen to your body and back off on pushing and

stressing the body. Once your body reaches that

certain point it can't and doesn't compensate and you

must adjust your activity level and your resting

periods. . etc.

CMT is first and foremost " LIFE ALTERING! " If you

don't adjust accordingly you may be on a Faster down

hill journey! I'm not trying to be negative here. . .

but realistic . . . for me it's been a good thing to

slow down, take stock of my life, and the direction it

was going. . now I take time and make time for the

things that are most important to me and the rest. . .

it's not worth using myself up for! For me it was a

wake up call! My life is so much more meaningful and

productive now in so many ways! ( In gave up many

wonderful things, my Owner/management Business I'd

started and built up, running 5 miles a day for

exercise, hiking, babysitting my only grandchild,

being my husbands's assistant in his business,etc.)I

have found many wonderful things in the process! That

is the key, if you give up something replace it with

something else that is fulfilling but do-able within

your limitations. I have found new abilities and

talents I probably never woulld have tapped into or

developed if I hadn't been " forced " to do so.

Good Luck, and Welcome Again to our " FAMILY "

hugs, Libby

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" FRIENDS ARE LIKE PILLARS; SOMETMES THEY LEAN ON YOU; SOMETIMES THEY HOLD YOU

UP! "

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One comment and one ?, To Shanex about his grandmother - My husband dealt , off and on ,with infections in the diverticuli - taking antibiotics toclear up the pain and infection. However, after a heart attack and our seeking ways to remedy that and prevent further heart problems, he has been taking a grapefruit fiber drink 2 times per day and has not had another flare up since. At first the GP told him no nuts etc but with the fiber, things seem to move through w/o a problem and do not get stuck and cause infection. If you are interested in the product we are using, email me personally and I will share about it.

Now for the ? about cooking oils. Does anyone know about grapeseed oil? I have been using that for sauteing and in the bread I make. I thought it was safe - now I wonder. Also, I did not know that using oil for sauteing was bad. Where can I find more information?

Sue

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PAMELA: In GNC stores there's a reference book. In the last section

there's info on enemas (cleansing,

retention, coffee, even catnip). It's

a good place to start your clyster

course!

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I would like to point out, the reason doctors don't want people eating nuts or foods with small hard seeds, like kiwi fruit, is because the chunks and seeds can get caught in the diverticula's. This is because, as a general rule, people don't chew their food enough.

Nuts are a great source of the EFAs that are sorely needed by the liver, and the other cells of the body. It's just that the person eating them needs to make sure that there are no chunks to get caught in the diverticula's. So, it would need to be more like a paste i.e. smooth peanut butter.

Diverticulitis, from what I know of it, is extremely painful, and most likely caused when a person exists on a diet of saturated fats and low fiber consumption i.e. the typical American diet today, and they have usually had trouble with constipation and forced stool movements. In the case of a person suffering with this malady there is all the more reason for them to avoid saturated and hydrogenated fats, and low fibered foods like white flour. If you question white flour just take a piece of bread, add some water to it, and make a mush ball. Now you'll have some idea of what it can do inside the body. Where a good quality whole grain bread will not stick together as easily but in the case of your grandmother it should be avoided because there are often nuts and other seeds that can get stuck in the diverticula's.

A friend of mine suffered with diverticulosis while we were doing a construction job in Japan a few years back. His doctor had him eating a fibered diet, and lots of lecithin. He stated to me that he had consumed "a handful" each day for months.

DaleDa_@...

Re: Digest Number 631

One comment and one ?, To Shanex about his grandmother - My husband dealt , off and on ,with infections in the diverticuli - taking antibiotics toclear up the pain and infection. However, after a heart attack and our seeking ways to remedy that and prevent further heart problems, he has been taking a grapefruit fiber drink 2 times per day and has not had another flare up since. At first the GP told him no nuts etc but with the fiber, things seem to move through w/o a problem and do not get stuck and cause infection. If you are interested in the product we are using, email me personally and I will share about it.

Now for the ? about cooking oils. Does anyone know about grapeseed oil? I have been using that for sauteing and in the bread I make. I thought it was safe - now I wonder. Also, I did not know that using oil for sauteing was bad. Where can I find more information?

Sue

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headaches.  His

> name is Dr. Timoteo Galvez in Madison, WI.  He was trained under a man

> named Dr. Reinhold Voll from Germany.  Dr. Voll created an

> electroacupuncture computer which determines what you are allergic to and

> how severe.  This test cost $400.  He uses the probe attached to the

> computer to all your acupuncture points on your hands and feet.  I have had this test done in both Ireland and the USA - Dr. Galvez' fee is way higher than what I paid in either place.

You can get info on Bodyscanning (that is what this computerised diagnostic proceedure is called) on website of that name and also location of practitioners worldwide

Aine

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I should have stated my goal in my welcome. I want to lose some fat, and

need to build strength. I have strong legs, but that is it. I just hate

my appereance in the mirror, with clothes I can hide " stuff " I have a

friend who did the year challenge and WOW is all I can say for her

change.

My other goal it to eat better ALL the time, I do ok with short time but

the evenings and boredom are my problem (sweets)

I do have a question. Today I followed the BFL diet of one serv protein

to one carb, and some veggies too, but I am still feeling hungry, do you

suppose I am not getting enough calories, another issue is I am still

nursing a couple times a day. Today I have had 5 protein and 5 carbs, 3

veggie serving, and two quarts of water. Open to thoughts.

BAD BREATH, I too have heard that the Cholorphyll is helpful too.

Des

>

> Topics in this digest:

>

> 1. Achieving and Sustaining Fitness Success

> From: " Axel " <BfLForce@...>

> 2. Fwd: MillionJokes.com Funnies of the Day - February 18,

> 2001

> From: sheila wright <sheila_frank@...>

> 3. Re: this is my predicament

> From: Naomi <brandyvideo@...>

> 4. Re: Achieving and Sustaining Fitness Success

> From: " Cheryl Cundick " <cdautah1@...>

> 5. Re: NEW

> From: " Cheryl Cundick " <cdautah1@...>

> 6. Re: Re: Meal transition

> From: " Cheryl Cundick " <cdautah1@...>

> 7. Re: Ketosis and bad breath

> From: " honey b4l " <honey_b4l@...>

> 8. Gaining Weight and don't want to!

> From: esinnyc@...

> 9. Re: Ketosis and bad breath

> From: MisterMikeB@...

> 10. Re: this is my predicament - Naomi

> From: " Sara Altmyer " <sasasup@...>

> 11. Re: this is my predicament - Naomi

> From: Naomi <brandyvideo@...>

> 12. Re: Re: Meal transition

> From: Deus Ex Machina <vicc@...>

> 13. authorized chicken curry recipe?

> From: Naomi <brandyvideo@...>

> 14. Re: Re: Meal transition

> From: " Sara Altmyer " <sasasup@...>

> 15. Re: this is my predicament - Naomi

> From: " Sara Altmyer " <sasasup@...>

> 16. Re: Achieving and Sustaining Fitness Success

> From: " Sara Altmyer " <sasasup@...>

> 17. Re: Re: Meal transition

> From: Deus Ex Machina <vicc@...>

> 18. Re: Re: Meal transition

> From: " Sara Altmyer " <sasasup@...>

> 19. Re: Re: Meal transition

> From: Deus Ex Machina <vicc@...>

> 20. Re: Re: Meal transition

> From: " Cassie " <tandl2000@...>

> 21. Re: Re: Meal transition

> From: Deus Ex Machina <vicc@...>

> 22. newbie

> From: tim.yates2@...

>

>

>

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>

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>

> Message: 1

> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 13:54:31 -0000

> From: " Axel " <BfLForce@...>

> Subject: Achieving and Sustaining Fitness Success

>

> Hi Everyone!

>

> What happens if someone stops exercising? How " permanent "

> is weight loss? What are the odds of success, short term and

> long term - with any fitness program?

>

> I don't know every answer to every question that could be asked

> on these subjects. But these are things that I think about, reflect

> on, and always strive to learn more about. And I do have some

> thoughts about these subjects.

>

> While it may be true that 95% of all people who lose weight put it

> back on in five years regardless of the method they use - I don't

> take a fatalistic attitude about that. In so many areas of life, the

>

> wise thing is to strive to perform better than 95% of the people.

> Often, one's own commitment is all that's required in order to

> succeed.

>

> This figure - 95% - is very close to the number of people who

> enter the BFL Challenge but quit before they finish. This quitting

> rate is hardly unique to BFL. I believe that number is also similar

> to the number of people who quit *any* fitness program before

> they've achieved their goals. Just think of all the New Year's

> Resolutions that start so enthusiastically - then never become

> realities. It's unfortunate that so many quit, to be sure.

>

> But it would be a mistake to conclude that " it's hopeless " and not

> pursue any fitness program. There certainly are people who a)

> stick with a 12 week program and reach their goals, and make

> a lifestyle out of their new habits and maintain those good habits

> over the long term.

>

> To take an example, I have an uncle who is in his seventies who

> is in terrific shape. As a young man, he played baseball, and

> adopted excellent eating and exercise habits. He still exercises,

> vigorously, every day. And he eats right. His more than 50 year,

> sustained commitment to fitness has resulted in incredibly

> vigorous health and strength for his age. Right now, he

> possesses no known health problems. He *maintains* - in his

> seventies! - less than 10% body fat. Needless to say, his doctors

> are amazed by him and love him. And naturally, his wife, my aunt,

> is thrilled that the man she loves is so healthy and energetic for

> his age.

>

> Another example is a friend of mine who, twenty-five years ago,

> was going through a bad spell in his life. He spent most of his

> time hanging out in bars, eating and drinking, and wasting his

> time. He wasn't taking care of his health, and he possessed no

> sense of direction. He had become severely overweight.

>

> But one day, looking in the mirror, he reached a point at which he

> felt a need to seriously re-examine his personal ethics. His

> reading led him not only to adopt a new, revitalized set of

> personal convictions. It also led him to discover inspiring

> examples of fit living. He took up running and eating right. And

> now, for more than two decades, he's remained trim and fit, and

> has sustained his exercise consistently - stopping only when

> injury demanded.

>

> This same friend is also a fabulous cook. Most of the time, he

> " eats for fuel, " but he has his version of what BFLers call their

> Free Days. So he enjoys food also. But he keeps his eating in

> balance.

>

> Also, when he has been injured, he has curtailed his intake of

> calories. Thus, he has succeeded in never adding back the fat

> that he lost.

>

> In short, my friend successfully navigates through life's

> obstacles in order to continue staying in terrific shape and

> health.

>

> If it's truly a lifestyle commitment, and a person re-commits to it

> periodically, then a person will continue to succeed. Without

> renewed commitment of course, a person will not continue to

> make progress.

>

> In life, it's critical to be willing to perform at a level higher

> than

> " the crowd. " In any area, it's that commitment which makes it

> possible to perform like a champion.

>

> As to what happens if a person reaches a point at which he or

> she can't or won't exercise for a while - even then, the situation

> isn't hopeless. It's certainly not hopeless with someone who

> can't or won't exercise for a while with BFL. The solution is

> simple: while not exercising, *decrease* your caloric intake to a

> level that will maintain your body without adding the unwanted

> weight. I've already mentioned the friend who has done this sort

> of thing while recovering from an injury. Once recovered, he was

> able to exercise again, without having excess weight to lose in

> the process.

>

> These are some of the reasons why I think that people who

> complete a personal transformation are champions - and why

> people who stay in shape over the course of years, are

> champions *among* champions. To me, what matters is that

> this is possible - not that 95% of the people neglect to stay the

> course.

>

> Getting and staying fit aren't easy. But great things in life aren't

>

> easy. The fact that they are challenging, doesn't make them

> impossible. In fact, the challenge is part of what makes one's

> success all the more rewarding.

>

> BFL is a new enough program that there simply isn't data yet to

> evaluate whether people who adopt it will, on average, sustain

> their commitment more than people who pursue other

> programs. But perhaps that's not the point. Perhaps the point

> really, is that it's up to every individual person to sustain one's

> commitment to fitness.

>

> For those who wish to make use of them, the ingredients for

> long term success are present in BFL . I know of no program that

> efficiently addresses more issues that are relevant both to

> getting in shape and staying in shape. To me then, the moral of

> the story is not: expect to be one of the lower-performing 95%.

> Rather, the moral is: aspire for greatness.

>

> I say: let's be champions among champions. Let's sustain our

> commimtment, not just to a 12 week program, but to a lifestyle of

> mental and physical strength.

>

> Press on, champions!

>

> Energetically,

>

>

>

> ---

> FMBC: Fitness and the Mind-Body Connection

> an unofficial Transformation Support site

> and " on ramp " for Body-for-LIFE

> by and Cherita Axel

> http://fitmind.home.mindspring.com

>

>

>

>

>

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>

> Message: 2

> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 06:26:35 -0800 (PST)

> From: sheila wright <sheila_frank@...>

> Subject: Fwd: MillionJokes.com Funnies of the Day - February 18,

> 2001

>

>

>

> Note: forwarded message attached.

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Hi Des,

Just a tip but when you are replying to someone, please snip the parts that

don't reply and just include the message that you are replying to, particularly

when you are using Digest mode. Otherwise, you send these really huge emails to

everyone on the list with a full day's messages that we've already read.

Tina

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

On 2/19/01 at 9:31 PM RATOX2495@... wrote:

>I should have stated my goal in my welcome. I want to lose some fat, and

>need to build strength. I have strong legs, but that is it. I just hate

[Guest guest]

True, and another tip is to specify the subject. ;-)

Andy

>

> >I should have stated my goal in my welcome. I want to lose some

fat, and

> >need to build strength. I have strong legs, but that is it. I

just hate

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/24/2003 2:48:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, cholesteatoma writes:

I had a meeting at work today and believe it or not I could

actually hear YAYYYYY (Usually I act like I know whats going on).....

Great news. Hearing again is very cool.

Re: the itch - the last time the itch was discussed in this group, someone said they wished they could scratch it with one of those bristle bottle brushes. I thought of that image often during my post-op. I always attribute that itch to healing. It does get better.

Best of luck to all facing complications.