Vitamin C

[Guest guest]

Al,

I am very concerned too. I have been dosing myself on 2000 mgs C for years.

Who has the inside scoop? I certainly don't know. And I do like C's

supposedly protective effect on discolorations from the Minocin.

I guess we have to wait for more information.

[Guest guest]

Al...

P.S. I just had a thought. I suspect Weil will have info on this. I

trust him and he's sure to post to his site or in his newsletter re: VIT C.

[Guest guest]

> From: SEG14@...

>

> Al,

> I am very concerned too. I have been dosing myself on 2000 mgs C for

years.

> Who has the inside scoop? I certainly don't know. And I do like C's

> supposedly protective effect on discolorations from the Minocin.

> I guess we have to wait for more information.

>

I have a hunch on this one. Did you notice that in the study the folks who

smoked AND took large doses of V. C were even worse off, more plaque in

their arteries? I think the problem MAY be that V. C is an antioxident and

antioxidents can be a two edged sword. They also become free radicals. The

trouble is I can't remember how one prevents this. I know there is something

else you can take along with antioxidents to protect yourself. Does anyone

else remember reading this who can fill in the details which have escaped

me?

a Carnes

[Guest guest]

Ascorbate is the buffering salt that accomplishes that; and did Ester C ever

have unrepputable evidence of that fact, as I heard (depending on who you listen

to) that that was debatable and/or company (that owns the patent) studies. The

only consistancy that I've heard is that it is better on your stomach (teeth in

lozenges), but the road forks there.

Steve

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In my opinion...

Ester C is the best Vitamin C

or any C that says " Ascorbate " on the label.

They are PH balanced not acidic like Ascorbic Acid.

Ester C has been proven to stay in the blood stream longer.

Randy

[Guest guest]

Hi Leo and all,

That may be fine for the C, but have you had your product syncrometer

tested for the presence of thulium and other carcinogens that might be

polluting it?

>>>>>>>>>

I am fascinated with the use of a synchrometer but have seen very little regarding its use here on this list. How many here actually have mastered the skill to use one for testing? Dr. writes that it takes minimal skill to learn how to use one however, everyone I have ever discussed this with has told me its very difficult to learn to use? Whats the opinion here among just us?

Don Wells

The two most abundant elements in the universe are Carbon and ignorance.

[Guest guest]

That may be fine for the C, but have you had your product syncrometer

tested for the presence of thulium and other carcinogens that might be

polluting it?

Leo

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> In my opinion...

> Ester C is the best Vitamin C

> or any C that says " Ascorbate " on the label.

> They are PH balanced not acidic like Ascorbic Acid.

> Ester C has been proven to stay in the blood stream longer.

>

> Randy

[Guest guest]

Randy, I would love to believe you on ester C. But I have read that it is a

hoax.I read that the U.of Missippi did the discovery of ester C!?Don't

really know.It all depends on what you read and by whom!I don't know why

these discoveries can't be made mandatory to be posted on a master site for

the world to see and be made to stand by it.. P.S.am upset with the

medical field in USA

Vitamin C

> In my opinion...

> Ester C is the best Vitamin C

> or any C that says " Ascorbate " on the label.

> They are PH balanced not acidic like Ascorbic Acid.

> Ester C has been proven to stay in the blood stream longer.

>

> Randy

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have taken the 2 day course on learning the syncrometer, and

know three practising syncrometrists in Canada. From what I have seen

and heard, it takes minimal education and a maximum desire to learn

and experiment. And average to better reflexes, and above average

hearing ability. There is an awful lot to learn, but you only need to

learn so much at a time.

Leo

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> Hi Leo and all,

>

> > That may be fine for the C, but have you had your product

syncrometer

> > tested for the presence of thulium and other carcinogens that

might be

> > polluting it?

> > >>>>>>>>>

> I am fascinated with the use of a synchrometer but have seen very

little

> regarding its use here on this list. How many here actually have

mastered the

> skill to use one for testing? Dr. writes that it takes minimal

skill to

> learn how to use one however, everyone I have ever discussed this

with has

> told me its very difficult to learn to use? Whats the opinion here

among just

> us?

>

> Don Wells

>

>

> The two most abundant elements in the universe are Carbon and

ignorance.

[Guest guest]

Hi Leo,

I have taken the 2 day course on learning the syncrometer, and

know three practising syncrometrists in Canada. From what I have seen

and heard, it takes minimal education and a maximum desire to learn

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Leo after the course how accurate did you become? Can you ellaborate more on your experiences using the synchrometer since the class? I realize for most folks if not all, it takes many hours of practice. In talking to Geoff at SHC they will soon have a newer way to make this easier for folks.

The Synchrometer sounds like gods gift to mankind if it ever can be mastered by the common everyday person. I hope someday to attend one of the classes and try it for myself.

Don Wells

The two most abundant elements in the universe are Carbon and ignorance.

[Guest guest]

Hi CB

Hi Don, I agree with your statements below. It is indeed difficult. Did Geoff say what they intended. I hope it's not a new version of the synchronmeter. CB

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

No he didn't. He just said they had something in the works that would make things easier. Hopefully this will be a great addition to it.

Don

The two most abundant elements in the universe are Carbon and ignorance.

[Guest guest]

Hi Don, I agree with your statements below. It is indeed difficult. Did Geoff say what they intended. I hope it's not a new version of the synchronmeter. CB

Hi Leo,Leo after the course how accurate did you become? Can you ellaborate more on your experiences using the synchrometer since the class? I realize for most folks if not all, it takes many hours of practice. In talking to Geoff at SHC they will soon have a newer way to make this easier for folks.The Synchrometer sounds like gods gift to mankind if it ever can be mastered by the common everyday person. I hope someday to attend one of the classes and try it for myself.Don Wells

[Guest guest]

> Hi Leo,

>

>

> > I have taken the 2 day course on learning the syncrometer, and

> > know three practising syncrometrists in Canada. From what I have

seen

> > and heard, it takes minimal education and a maximum desire to

learn

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>

> Leo after the course how accurate did you become?

Accurate enough to satisfy myself that it was bona fide, and that I

could become proficient on my own, with much more practice.

Can you ellaborate

more on your experiences using the synchrometer since the class? I

realize for most folks if not all, it takes many hours of practice.

I decided not to pursue the syncrometer further, since I would be

unable to spend enough time developing my skill to a high enough

level.

In talking to

Geoff at SHC

> they will soon have a newer way to make this easier for folks.

>

> The Synchrometer sounds like gods gift to mankind if it ever can be

mastered

> by the common everyday person.

I do not consider myself to be a common everyday person, and it was

too challenging for me given my circumstances.

Like I said before, it takes an uncommon amount of certain qualities.

I hope someday to attend one of the

classes

> and try it for myself.

I normally tell people of limited time and money, to spend money on

themselves. Their own bodies will tell them if they are feeling

better, and medical tests can verify that. I also put them on to

others who have successfully done the program.

Hope this helps.

Leo

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>

> Don Wells

>

>

> The two most abundant elements in the universe are Carbon and

ignorance.

[Guest guest]

Don't hold your breath. It could be 2 months to 2 years, or not at

all. Just my observation based on life experience.

Leo

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> Hi CB

>

> > Hi Don, I agree with your statements below. It is indeed

difficult. Did

> > Geoff say what they intended. I hope it's not a new version of

the

> > synchronmeter. CB

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>

>

>

> No he didn't. He just said they had something in the works that

would make

> things easier. Hopefully this will be a great addition to it.

>

> Don

>

> > >>

> >>

> >

>

>

> The two most abundant elements in the universe are Carbon and

ignorance.

[Guest guest]

Hi Roni,

My daughter has scleroderma and takes vitamin C, prescribed by her

alternative doctor.

Chris.

On Tue, 1 Jan 2002 rb09322@... wrote:

> Hello Everyone:

>

> I have yet another question for you. In the past I had

> been taking MSM powder to help with the scleroderma. It

> is good stuff and works well to help soften the skin.

>

> When I was in NY I was able to get MSM without any other

> components in the powder. Now that I have moved to PA I

> find that I cannot get the same product. One MSM

> product available to me is MSM with vitamin C in the MSM

> powder.

>

> In the past I have read somewhere that people with

> Scleroderma should not take vitamin C as it encourages

> production of collagen. Gracious, we sure have enough

> of that don't we? Now I need to know if this is just

> someone's opinion or is this actually a fact? I've

> stayed off the MSM until I can find a satisfactory

> answer to my question.

>

> Thanks everyone! I hope you have a restful, Happy New

> Year!

> Roni

>

[Guest guest]

At 06:54 PM 5/26/2003 -0400, you wrote:

>[Ed. Note: I don't have the source of this information at my fingertips,

>but I read in a reputable journal (I believe it was " Science News " ), that

>more than 500 mg of Vitamin C supplements per day causes thickening of the

>walls of the arteries leading to the heart, and can lead to a heart attack

>because the heart must work harder to pump blood. Ron]

(do a google search for " vitamin c thickening arterial walls " and you'll

find many articles discrediting the original 'study' which wasn't published

in a peer-reviewed journal. Here's one:)

From http://www.acnem.org/news_archives/2000/march_2000_news.htm

" Single study against an enormous body of evidence "

The newspaper articles state " researchers called their discovery a

surprise... " - because of the vast body of evidence supporting the use of

vitamin C to reduce cardiovascular risk (as well as achieve other

spectacular clinical outcomes). Some of this evidence is:

· 2 g per day of ascorbate decreases platelet adhesiveness 27%,

decreases serum cholesterol 12%1.

· Vitamin C lowers systolic and diastolic blood pressure in patients

65 years and older2.

· Vitamin C reduces total mortality/morbidity3.

" Flaws in the data as presented "

This study has not been published in a peer-review journal, so it is

difficult to comment on the design. However, in terms of the effects of the

artery wall itself on cardiovascular risk, two things are of most

importance. These are: the size of the lumen and the elasticity of the

walls. As presented in the press, vitamin C causes accelerated thickening

of the artery walls. Even if true, does this necessarily mean hardening

(loss of elasticity) of the arteries? No - it could in fact mean increased

strength and pliability of arterial walls. Likewise, does it necessarily

mean reduced lumen size? No - this does not necessarily follow wall thickening.

Without seeing a paper from this report, it is difficult to comment on the

pathology arising from any findings. However, the data as presented could

be interpreted just as easily as another positive report for vitamin C. Not

only does it reduce blood pressure, reduce platelet adhesiveness and

decrease cholesterol, it also strengthens weak and fragile arterial walls.

1. Boria, 1980, Atheroscler. (35)

2. Bates, CJ et al., 1998, J. Hypertens. (16)

3. Enstroom et al., Epidemiol.

[Guest guest]

Michele, are you following the discussion on autism-challenge? If not, I

could cross-post some of what is being said.

3 doses that bring it to 1000 mg is fine. It would be better to divide up

the doses even more.

marti

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/11/03 2:15:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

MarthaRolfe@... writes:

<< Michele, are you following the discussion on autism-challenge? If not, I

could cross-post some of what is being said.

3 doses that bring it to 1000 mg is fine. It would be better to divide up

the doses even more.

marti >>

No, Marti, I'm not on that list... I can't divide it up anymore. I'm lucky I

can remember to get what I " m doing into him 3x/day!

Thanks, Michele

[Guest guest]

Sodium Ascorbate and Calcium Ascorbate powder dissolve easily in

water or juice, or you could sprinkle in food. Neither has much

taste. You might want to avoid bioflavinoids and rose hips if she

has a phenol problem. Too much ascorbic acid can cause stomach upset

and diarrhea.

Kathy I.

--- In , " Fournier " <@w...>

wrote:

> Happy Friday!

> I need to prepare my daughter for chelation.

> I'm looking at Vitamin C. I want to give her 250mg, 4xday. She

can't swallow pills.

> Ester, buffered, bioflavinoids, ascorbic acid....etc.

> What's best?

>

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[Guest guest]

So far, the only one that bring reliefs, not healing,

is vitamin E oil.

--- vitalscreening <vitalscreening@...> wrote:

> Does any one have experiance with vitamin C. cream

> Ajay

[Guest guest]

How very interesting. This is the first time I have heard of thjis being low,

its usually very high, as was Sam's and I wasn;t supplementing and he wasn;t

eating fruit or veg at that time . Mmmm

Mandi in UK

Was it an OAT from Great Plains?

> and his OATs test showed that he was low in

> it even though I was giving it to him in supplement form every day.

[Guest guest]

We use Perque Potent C Guard, buffered Ascorbate Powder. The label says it

does not contain citrus, MSG, wheat, gluten, corn, starch, sugar, soy,

yeast, zein, sulfate, phosphates ( other than coenzymes), preservatives,

casein or other milk derivatives and no GMOs. It shouldn't have been a

problem, but it was.

Vitamin C

> ,

>

> Does the Vitamin C you're using say if it's corn free? Many vitamin C

> products are dervied from corn and I try and check the labels before I buy

them to

> see if they say corn free. Does if have bioflavinoids mixed in it? My

son and

> I didn't seem to do well with quercetin. We haven't tried it lately and

> perhaps we could tolerate it now that we're taking no-fenol. We use the

ascorbate

> C rather than ascorbic C because it's easier on the stomach. When we

> initially started going to our naturopathic doctor who uses an

eletrodermal machine,

> my son came up positive toward C and his OATs test showed that he was low

in

> it even though I was giving it to him in supplement form every day. As

his

> stomach has started to heal, he has cleared his reaction to the C and

seems to be

> able to absorb/tolerate it.

>

> Sharon K.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

If it does not say corn-free, it is not corn-free.

I tried a C product that said the same as below

(...does not contain...corn...). My children both

had their typical " corn " reactions. I called the company

and they said that it was made from CORN...I don't understand

how they can label it this way. We use Allergy C by TwinLab--

it is made from sago palm(and says " corn free " on the front

of the bottle).

Vitamin C

>

>

> > ,

> >

> > Does the Vitamin C you're using say if it's corn free? Many vitamin C

> > products are dervied from corn and I try and check the labels before I

buy

> them to

> > see if they say corn free. Does if have bioflavinoids mixed in it? My

> son and

> > I didn't seem to do well with quercetin. We haven't tried it lately and

> > perhaps we could tolerate it now that we're taking no-fenol. We use the

> ascorbate

> > C rather than ascorbic C because it's easier on the stomach. When we

> > initially started going to our naturopathic doctor who uses an

> eletrodermal machine,

> > my son came up positive toward C and his OATs test showed that he was

low

> in

> > it even though I was giving it to him in supplement form every day. As

> his

> > stomach has started to heal, he has cleared his reaction to the C and

> seems to be

> > able to absorb/tolerate it.

> >

> > Sharon K.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thank you for that. My unbuffered Vit. C is from Sago Palm, but that is just

to get things moving. So I appreciate the advice on the alternative from

Twin Labs. Although the bottle listed what it didn't contain, it didn't list

what it did contain. So I looked it up. It is made from potassium, zinc,

magnesium along with calcium. I was thinking perhaps the form of potassium

was the problem, as my son still does not tolerate bananas. Thank you again

for the alternative.

Vitamin C

> >

> >

> > > ,

> > >

> > > Does the Vitamin C you're using say if it's corn free? Many vitamin C

> > > products are dervied from corn and I try and check the labels before I

> buy

> > them to

> > > see if they say corn free. Does if have bioflavinoids mixed in it?

My

> > son and

> > > I didn't seem to do well with quercetin. We haven't tried it lately

and

> > > perhaps we could tolerate it now that we're taking no-fenol. We use

the

> > ascorbate

> > > C rather than ascorbic C because it's easier on the stomach. When we

> > > initially started going to our naturopathic doctor who uses an

> > eletrodermal machine,

> > > my son came up positive toward C and his OATs test showed that he was

> low

> > in

> > > it even though I was giving it to him in supplement form every day.

As

> > his

> > > stomach has started to heal, he has cleared his reaction to the C and

> > seems to be

> > > able to absorb/tolerate it.

> > >

> > > Sharon K.

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Just wondering...what are his negative reactions to ALA? Thanks! Amy

> What is the maximum amount of Vitamin C that I can give my son in a

> day? Our alternative dr. said that I will know if I am giving too

> much because he will start having diarrhea. I've been giving him 10

> grams a day, and right now he can tolerate that. I am thinking of

> increasing, so as to help with his negative reactions to ALA. I just

> don't want to hurt him by giving him too much. Is it okay to add a

> couple grams and wait for diarrhea?

>

> Jukoski

[Guest guest]

Determine bowel tolerance by giving 1 gram an hour until he has a loose

stool. Then stop for the day.

Since you're already up to 10 grams daily you could try this with 2 grams an

hour & see where you get. You'll get a 'feel' for it as you go along. And

yes the worst that will happen is he'll have diahrrea. Vit C is very

quickly metabolized and the diahrrea will stop soon.

I have taken upwards of 30 grams daily without hitting bowel tolerance when

needed. My maintenance dose is about 6 grams daily. So you can see it can

really vary.

http://www.mall-net.com/cathcart/titrate.html

-Sara.