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Report post · August 25, 1999

Hi Kathy,

Thanks for all the info. You're one of the few people I've " met " who

hasn't had any kind of traditional treatment. I'll be seeing Dr.

Rountree's partner in Boulder, Co. soon. Got his name from the Definitive

Guide to Cancer. Sounds like we are doing a similar " regime. " I'm not

doing shark cartilage, and someone told me Essiac tea helps with parasites.

Not sure if that is true or not?

Thanks again. Sounds like we have similar philosophies as well. :>)

Diane

At 07:39 PM 8/24/99 -0400, you wrote:

>From: " K_Ingham " <K_Ingham@...>

>

>Diane, nice to hear from you. Yes, there is a blood test for cancer

>markers. I am being followed by an alternative doctor (M.D.) here in New

>York who screens me for cancer markers as well as levels of vitamins,

>minerals, etc. in my blood. The cancer marker blood test is not usually

>recognized by alopathic physicians but is widely use by alternative

>physicians - why, I don't know as it is quite accurate. Yes, I have only

>used only alternative therapies. I figures if they didn't work I could

>always go the " poison, slash and burn " route. I do a lot of reading about

>cancer and alternative remedies, as well as health in general. I have a

>semi-vegetarian diet, drink a lot of fresh juice, and am on a regimen of

>vitamins, shark cartilage and Essiac. I also do cleanses, especially for

>parasites, etc. etc. etc. (as you well know, there are many " alternatives " ).

>Be glad to answer any other questions you have. Kathy.

> [ ] New Member

>> >>

>> >> From: SnottyKat@...

>> >>

>> >> Hi Everyone,

>> >>

>> >> My name is Sharon. Last August my 68 (then 67) year old mother

>> >> discovered a rather large lump in her left breast. She has been afraid

>> >> of doctors and said she didn't want to know anything and didn't check

>> >> her breasts.

>> >>

>> >> We have believed in alternative practitioners though and have seen them

>> >> without fear. We went to see a Naturopathic doctor up in Canada. He

>> >> said that he would assume the lump was not cancer and treat her as

>such.

>> >> He " treated " her for many months. Finally some time in May after the

>> >> lump had gotten bigger, I decided that it was time that I tell my

>> >> brother (in another state) about my mom's lump.

>> >>

>> >> His wife is a nurse and he told me that my mom must get to a doctor and

>> >> get this diagnosed ASAP. He said that cancer can spread so fast, that

>> >> my mom could be die from waiting so long.

>> >>

>> >> She agreed to go to a conventional doctor. It was cancerous. She had

>> >> surgery to have the breast removed.

>> >>

>> >> A few months back, I found a doctor who is a conventional doctor who

>> >> also believes in holistic (he is similar to Dr. Weil and studies under

>> >> him).

>> >>

>> >> Now the doctors want to give my mother a drug called Tamoxifen to

>> >> prevent further cancer. All of her nodes were positive. She had cat

>> >> scans and there was no cancer found, but there is a questionable spot

>on

>> >> her lung, which may be a scar from bronchitis or pneumonia (she does

>not

>> >> know of ever having these) or it could be a spot of cancer. I guess it

>> >> is in the area where cancer would settle.

>> >>

>> >> The Tamoxifen would supposedly decrease the chance of my mom getting a

>> >> recurrance by 30 percent. She now has a 60-70% chance of recurrance

>> >> without treatment (in 5 years) and 80-90% in 10 years (according to her

>> >> doctor).

>> >>

>> >> We went to see the half holistic/ half conventional doctor today. He

>> >> recommends the Tamoxifen. I told him about a book that I " ve been

>> >> reading called " What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Menopause " by

>> >> Dr. Lee. It is an amazing book. It gives so much info on how

>> >> natural substances cannot be patented and the drug companies can't make

>> >> money on them, so they have developed products that are unnatural to

>> >> make money, drugs that our bodies do not do well with.

>> >>

>> >> Reading this book has really gotten me upset. It's all about money.

>> >> Natural medicine is shunned, not because it does not work, but because

>> >> there is big money in allopathic medicine. And I believe that a lot

>of

>> >> doctors have been brainwashed by the pharmaceutical companies.

>> >>

>> >> Anyhow, I asked the doctor about holistic therapy and he said that

>> >> nothing has been proven as far as holistic cures for cancer and that's

>> >> why he recommends the Tamoxifen. I don't like the idea of the

>> >> Tamoxifen, but even if my mom does go for the idea, I'd like to at

>least

>> >> have her try some alternative therapy in conjunction with it. Part of

>> >> me is afraid to have her not try Tamoxifen because she waited too long

>> >> and may not have much time to play with.

>> >>

>> >> I do truly believe that there is a natural cure for this, a way for her

>> >> to beat it.

>> >>

>> >> I would like any info that people on the list may be able to provide...

>> >> also links to websites. I saw that someone mentioned a site of Dr.

>> >> Lorraine Day (my mom's name is Lorraine). I'd appreciate the URL to

>> >> the site if someone could provide it.

>> >>

>> >> I'd like links to any sites that might be helpful.

>> >>

>> >> Does anyone know about natural progesterone cream? The book that I

>> >> mentioned above is basically about estrogen dominance and low

>> >> progesterone levels. From what the book says, I thinks it's possible

>> >> that my mom could be helped with the natural progesterone cream, but I

>> >> just dont' know enough about it to make that type of decision. I asked

>> >> her doctor today and he didn't know if it would help her. He did

>> >> refer us to an oncologist who would be open to alternatives, who is a

>> >> conventional doctor. The doctor who did my mother's surgery is not a

>> >> believer in holistic at all. He will discuss them, but only basically

>> >> to tell me that they don't work, that there is no proof.

>> >> Thanks for any info that anyone can provide. I'd really like to speak

>> >> with women who have sucessfully used natural methods for their own

>> >> breast cancer.

>> >>

>> >> Warm Regards,

>> >>

>> >> Sharon

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Report post · August 25, 1999

Diane, thanks for the message. I have heard that the Definitive Guide to

Cancer is a great source but have not read it yet. Who is Dr. Roundtree?

Never heard that Essiac tea is good for parasites but it wouldn't surprise

me since it has been so successful in treating cancer and parasites are such

a volatile source of cancer. You should read Dr. Lane's book on shark

cartilage from the library if you havn't already done so - " Sharks Don't Get

Cancer " and " Sharks Still Don't Get Cancer " (not exact). Very good

information. Also, for parasite elimination Dr. Hulda is a must -

" The Cure For All Cancers " , " The Cure For All Diseases " , etc., not only for

parasites but for a wealth of other information that helps. Of utmost

importance to me was hooking up with an alternative physician. Mine has a

library of books and tapes for his patients that got me started

understanding the disease and all of its remifications. My opinion at this

point is that many if not most cancers are caused by environmental toxins.

[ ] New Member

> >> >>

> >> >> From: SnottyKat@...

> >> >>

> >> >> Hi Everyone,

> >> >>

> >> >> My name is Sharon. Last August my 68 (then 67) year old mother

> >> >> discovered a rather large lump in her left breast. She has been

afraid

> >> >> of doctors and said she didn't want to know anything and didn't

check

> >> >> her breasts.

> >> >>

> >> >> We have believed in alternative practitioners though and have seen

them

> >> >> without fear. We went to see a Naturopathic doctor up in Canada.

He

> >> >> said that he would assume the lump was not cancer and treat her as

> >such.

> >> >> He " treated " her for many months. Finally some time in May after

the

> >> >> lump had gotten bigger, I decided that it was time that I tell my

> >> >> brother (in another state) about my mom's lump.

> >> >>

> >> >> His wife is a nurse and he told me that my mom must get to a doctor

and

> >> >> get this diagnosed ASAP. He said that cancer can spread so fast,

that

> >> >> my mom could be die from waiting so long.

> >> >>

> >> >> She agreed to go to a conventional doctor. It was cancerous. She

had

> >> >> surgery to have the breast removed.

> >> >>

> >> >> A few months back, I found a doctor who is a conventional doctor who

> >> >> also believes in holistic (he is similar to Dr. Weil and studies

under

> >> >> him).

> >> >>

> >> >> Now the doctors want to give my mother a drug called Tamoxifen to

> >> >> prevent further cancer. All of her nodes were positive. She had

cat

> >> >> scans and there was no cancer found, but there is a questionable

spot

> >on

> >> >> her lung, which may be a scar from bronchitis or pneumonia (she does

> >not

> >> >> know of ever having these) or it could be a spot of cancer. I guess

it

> >> >> is in the area where cancer would settle.

> >> >>

> >> >> The Tamoxifen would supposedly decrease the chance of my mom getting

a

> >> >> recurrance by 30 percent. She now has a 60-70% chance of recurrance

> >> >> without treatment (in 5 years) and 80-90% in 10 years (according to

her

> >> >> doctor).

> >> >>

> >> >> We went to see the half holistic/ half conventional doctor today.

He

> >> >> recommends the Tamoxifen. I told him about a book that I " ve been

> >> >> reading called " What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Menopause "

by

> >> >> Dr. Lee. It is an amazing book. It gives so much info on

how

> >> >> natural substances cannot be patented and the drug companies can't

make

> >> >> money on them, so they have developed products that are unnatural to

> >> >> make money, drugs that our bodies do not do well with.

> >> >>

> >> >> Reading this book has really gotten me upset. It's all about

money.

> >> >> Natural medicine is shunned, not because it does not work, but

because

> >> >> there is big money in allopathic medicine. And I believe that a

lot

> >of

> >> >> doctors have been brainwashed by the pharmaceutical companies.

> >> >>

> >> >> Anyhow, I asked the doctor about holistic therapy and he said that

> >> >> nothing has been proven as far as holistic cures for cancer and

that's

> >> >> why he recommends the Tamoxifen. I don't like the idea of the

> >> >> Tamoxifen, but even if my mom does go for the idea, I'd like to at

> >least

> >> >> have her try some alternative therapy in conjunction with it. Part

of

> >> >> me is afraid to have her not try Tamoxifen because she waited too

long

> >> >> and may not have much time to play with.

> >> >>

> >> >> I do truly believe that there is a natural cure for this, a way for

her

> >> >> to beat it.

> >> >>

> >> >> I would like any info that people on the list may be able to

provide...

> >> >> also links to websites. I saw that someone mentioned a site of Dr.

> >> >> Lorraine Day (my mom's name is Lorraine). I'd appreciate the URL

to

> >> >> the site if someone could provide it.

> >> >>

> >> >> I'd like links to any sites that might be helpful.

> >> >>

> >> >> Does anyone know about natural progesterone cream? The book that

I

> >> >> mentioned above is basically about estrogen dominance and low

> >> >> progesterone levels. From what the book says, I thinks it's

possible

> >> >> that my mom could be helped with the natural progesterone cream, but

I

> >> >> just dont' know enough about it to make that type of decision. I

asked

> >> >> her doctor today and he didn't know if it would help her. He did

> >> >> refer us to an oncologist who would be open to alternatives, who is

a

> >> >> conventional doctor. The doctor who did my mother's surgery is not

a

> >> >> believer in holistic at all. He will discuss them, but only

basically

> >> >> to tell me that they don't work, that there is no proof.

> >> >> Thanks for any info that anyone can provide. I'd really like to

speak

> >> >> with women who have sucessfully used natural methods for their own

> >> >> breast cancer.

> >> >>

> >> >> Warm Regards,

> >> >>

> >> >> Sharon

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Report post · August 25, 1999

Hi Kathy,

I agree with you on the environmental toxins. I live in a rural

agriculatural area where they still spray malthion for mosquito control!

We've tried to get that changed, but haven't had much luck, which has also

played in my decision to move. They give these warnings for everyone to go

inside when they spray, and say that it's just a precaution, that the stuff

is harmless. Eeeks. Makes me tired to think of it all. :>)

Thanks for the idea on the shark cartilage book. I've almost checked it

out a couple of different times from the library, but will do it this week.

There is just so much info out there, you could get lost in studying and

not live life. I've also been doing visualizations which make me feel

peaceful, and I don't have a need to do " battle " against my cancer. I see

my cells as wanting to be healthy just as much as I want.

Dr. Rountree is an alternative MD in Colorado.

Thanks again. Have a great day.

Diane

At 05:29 AM 8/25/99 -0400, you wrote:

>From: " K_Ingham " <K_Ingham@...>

>

>Diane, thanks for the message. I have heard that the Definitive Guide to

>Cancer is a great source but have not read it yet. Who is Dr. Roundtree?

>Never heard that Essiac tea is good for parasites but it wouldn't surprise

>me since it has been so successful in treating cancer and parasites are such

>a volatile source of cancer. You should read Dr. Lane's book on shark

>cartilage from the library if you havn't already done so - " Sharks Don't Get

>Cancer " and " Sharks Still Don't Get Cancer " (not exact). Very good

>information. Also, for parasite elimination Dr. Hulda is a must -

> " The Cure For All Cancers " , " The Cure For All Diseases " , etc., not only for

>parasites but for a wealth of other information that helps. Of utmost

>importance to me was hooking up with an alternative physician. Mine has a

>library of books and tapes for his patients that got me started

>understanding the disease and all of its remifications. My opinion at this

>point is that many if not most cancers are caused by environmental toxins.

> [ ] New Member

>> >> >>

>> >> >> From: SnottyKat@...

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Hi Everyone,

>> >> >>

>> >> >> My name is Sharon. Last August my 68 (then 67) year old mother

>> >> >> discovered a rather large lump in her left breast. She has been

>afraid

>> >> >> of doctors and said she didn't want to know anything and didn't

>check

>> >> >> her breasts.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> We have believed in alternative practitioners though and have seen

>them

>> >> >> without fear. We went to see a Naturopathic doctor up in Canada.

>He

>> >> >> said that he would assume the lump was not cancer and treat her as

>> >such.

>> >> >> He " treated " her for many months. Finally some time in May after

>the

>> >> >> lump had gotten bigger, I decided that it was time that I tell my

>> >> >> brother (in another state) about my mom's lump.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> His wife is a nurse and he told me that my mom must get to a doctor

>and

>> >> >> get this diagnosed ASAP. He said that cancer can spread so fast,

>that

>> >> >> my mom could be die from waiting so long.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> She agreed to go to a conventional doctor. It was cancerous. She

>had

>> >> >> surgery to have the breast removed.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> A few months back, I found a doctor who is a conventional doctor who

>> >> >> also believes in holistic (he is similar to Dr. Weil and studies

>under

>> >> >> him).

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Now the doctors want to give my mother a drug called Tamoxifen to

>> >> >> prevent further cancer. All of her nodes were positive. She had

>cat

>> >> >> scans and there was no cancer found, but there is a questionable

>spot

>> >on

>> >> >> her lung, which may be a scar from bronchitis or pneumonia (she does

>> >not

>> >> >> know of ever having these) or it could be a spot of cancer. I guess

>it

>> >> >> is in the area where cancer would settle.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> The Tamoxifen would supposedly decrease the chance of my mom getting

>a

>> >> >> recurrance by 30 percent. She now has a 60-70% chance of recurrance

>> >> >> without treatment (in 5 years) and 80-90% in 10 years (according to

>her

>> >> >> doctor).

>> >> >>

>> >> >> We went to see the half holistic/ half conventional doctor today.

>He

>> >> >> recommends the Tamoxifen. I told him about a book that I " ve been

>> >> >> reading called " What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Menopause "

>by

>> >> >> Dr. Lee. It is an amazing book. It gives so much info on

>how

>> >> >> natural substances cannot be patented and the drug companies can't

>make

>> >> >> money on them, so they have developed products that are unnatural to

>> >> >> make money, drugs that our bodies do not do well with.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Reading this book has really gotten me upset. It's all about

>money.

>> >> >> Natural medicine is shunned, not because it does not work, but

>because

>> >> >> there is big money in allopathic medicine. And I believe that a

>lot

>> >of

>> >> >> doctors have been brainwashed by the pharmaceutical companies.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Anyhow, I asked the doctor about holistic therapy and he said that

>> >> >> nothing has been proven as far as holistic cures for cancer and

>that's

>> >> >> why he recommends the Tamoxifen. I don't like the idea of the

>> >> >> Tamoxifen, but even if my mom does go for the idea, I'd like to at

>> >least

>> >> >> have her try some alternative therapy in conjunction with it. Part

>of

>> >> >> me is afraid to have her not try Tamoxifen because she waited too

>long

>> >> >> and may not have much time to play with.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> I do truly believe that there is a natural cure for this, a way for

>her

>> >> >> to beat it.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> I would like any info that people on the list may be able to

>provide...

>> >> >> also links to websites. I saw that someone mentioned a site of Dr.

>> >> >> Lorraine Day (my mom's name is Lorraine). I'd appreciate the URL

>to

>> >> >> the site if someone could provide it.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> I'd like links to any sites that might be helpful.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Does anyone know about natural progesterone cream? The book that

>I

>> >> >> mentioned above is basically about estrogen dominance and low

>> >> >> progesterone levels. From what the book says, I thinks it's

>possible

>> >> >> that my mom could be helped with the natural progesterone cream, but

>I

>> >> >> just dont' know enough about it to make that type of decision. I

>asked

>> >> >> her doctor today and he didn't know if it would help her. He did

>> >> >> refer us to an oncologist who would be open to alternatives, who is

>a

>> >> >> conventional doctor. The doctor who did my mother's surgery is not

>a

>> >> >> believer in holistic at all. He will discuss them, but only

>basically

>> >> >> to tell me that they don't work, that there is no proof.

>> >> >> Thanks for any info that anyone can provide. I'd really like to

>speak

>> >> >> with women who have sucessfully used natural methods for their own

>> >> >> breast cancer.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Warm Regards,

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Sharon

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Diane, I know what you mean about " so much information " out there, but

having read voraciously for a couple of years I have " separated the wheat

from the chaff " , so to speak, and the shark cartilage book is very helpful,

not only from the standpoint of the info on shark cartilage but also the

info on anti-angiogenisis. There are many different anti-angiogenic

substances, not just shark cartilage. So once you get the gist of the

concept, you see your cancer in a different light. Also, I would strongly

suggest that you research the parasite angle; I believe that there is much

help in that arena as well.

Right on with the visualization techniques. Try this one - write down

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get the idea.

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> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> From: SnottyKat@...

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> Hi Everyone,

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> My name is Sharon. Last August my 68 (then 67) year old mother

> >> >> >> discovered a rather large lump in her left breast. She has been

> >afraid

> >> >> >> of doctors and said she didn't want to know anything and didn't

> >check

> >> >> >> her breasts.

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> We have believed in alternative practitioners though and have

seen

> >them

> >> >> >> without fear. We went to see a Naturopathic doctor up in

Canada.

> >He

> >> >> >> said that he would assume the lump was not cancer and treat her

as

> >> >such.

> >> >> >> He " treated " her for many months. Finally some time in May

after

> >the

> >> >> >> lump had gotten bigger, I decided that it was time that I tell my

> >> >> >> brother (in another state) about my mom's lump.

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> His wife is a nurse and he told me that my mom must get to a

doctor

> >and

> >> >> >> get this diagnosed ASAP. He said that cancer can spread so fast,

> >that

> >> >> >> my mom could be die from waiting so long.

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> She agreed to go to a conventional doctor. It was cancerous.

She

> >had

> >> >> >> surgery to have the breast removed.

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> A few months back, I found a doctor who is a conventional doctor

who

> >> >> >> also believes in holistic (he is similar to Dr. Weil and studies

> >under

> >> >> >> him).

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> Now the doctors want to give my mother a drug called Tamoxifen to

> >> >> >> prevent further cancer. All of her nodes were positive. She

had

> >cat

> >> >> >> scans and there was no cancer found, but there is a questionable

> >spot

> >> >on

> >> >> >> her lung, which may be a scar from bronchitis or pneumonia (she

does

> >> >not

> >> >> >> know of ever having these) or it could be a spot of cancer. I

guess

> >it

> >> >> >> is in the area where cancer would settle.

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> The Tamoxifen would supposedly decrease the chance of my mom

getting

> >a

> >> >> >> recurrance by 30 percent. She now has a 60-70% chance of

recurrance

> >> >> >> without treatment (in 5 years) and 80-90% in 10 years (according

to

> >her

> >> >> >> doctor).

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> We went to see the half holistic/ half conventional doctor today.

> >He

> >> >> >> recommends the Tamoxifen. I told him about a book that I " ve

been

> >> >> >> reading called " What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About

Menopause "

> >by

> >> >> >> Dr. Lee. It is an amazing book. It gives so much info on

> >how

> >> >> >> natural substances cannot be patented and the drug companies

can't

> >make

> >> >> >> money on them, so they have developed products that are unnatural

to

> >> >> >> make money, drugs that our bodies do not do well with.

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> Reading this book has really gotten me upset. It's all about

> >money.

> >> >> >> Natural medicine is shunned, not because it does not work, but

> >because

> >> >> >> there is big money in allopathic medicine. And I believe that a

> >lot

> >> >of

> >> >> >> doctors have been brainwashed by the pharmaceutical companies.

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> Anyhow, I asked the doctor about holistic therapy and he said

that

> >> >> >> nothing has been proven as far as holistic cures for cancer and

> >that's

> >> >> >> why he recommends the Tamoxifen. I don't like the idea of the

> >> >> >> Tamoxifen, but even if my mom does go for the idea, I'd like to

at

> >> >least

> >> >> >> have her try some alternative therapy in conjunction with it.

Part

> >of

> >> >> >> me is afraid to have her not try Tamoxifen because she waited too

> >long

> >> >> >> and may not have much time to play with.

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> I do truly believe that there is a natural cure for this, a way

for

> >her

> >> >> >> to beat it.

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> I would like any info that people on the list may be able to

> >provide...

> >> >> >> also links to websites. I saw that someone mentioned a site of

Dr.

> >> >> >> Lorraine Day (my mom's name is Lorraine). I'd appreciate the

URL

> >to

> >> >> >> the site if someone could provide it.

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> I'd like links to any sites that might be helpful.

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> Does anyone know about natural progesterone cream? The book

that

> >I

> >> >> >> mentioned above is basically about estrogen dominance and low

> >> >> >> progesterone levels. From what the book says, I thinks it's

> >possible

> >> >> >> that my mom could be helped with the natural progesterone cream,

but

> >I

> >> >> >> just dont' know enough about it to make that type of decision. I

> >asked

> >> >> >> her doctor today and he didn't know if it would help her. He

did

> >> >> >> refer us to an oncologist who would be open to alternatives, who

is

> >a

> >> >> >> conventional doctor. The doctor who did my mother's surgery is

not

> >a

> >> >> >> believer in holistic at all. He will discuss them, but only

> >basically

> >> >> >> to tell me that they don't work, that there is no proof.

> >> >> >> Thanks for any info that anyone can provide. I'd really like to

> >speak

> >> >> >> with women who have sucessfully used natural methods for their

own

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Hi Kathy,

Thanks again for your expertise. I saw Dr. s book in the health food

store when I was in there a few times ago. Do the parasite cleanses make

you sick? I don't want to do anything that makes me feel worse. I read

one cleanse where they used baking soda and something else, and they said

you would be quite sick for about two days. Didn't make sense to me. I'll

check her book out though. Thanks for that tip.

Thanks also on the idea to write a postive thought down. I do affirmations

which is the same thing, and feel the same way, and view myself as healthy

and perfect. I read a book called You Can Heal Your Life in 1984 after

being exposed to radiation in the military in the late 70's, and it's based

on just that. I stayed in a pre-cancer state for years, then stopped doing

the affirmations, and ended up with cancer. Other things may have come in

to play as well, but I believe we have a tremendous capacity to heal

ourselves just by what we think, or make ourselves ill. Works both ways I

guess. At least that seems to be true by watching people. The ones who

complain about this and that, really end up being sicker, and the ones who

just live life, appear healthier.

Thanks again. The oddest thing about this is that I had given a fleeting

thought to a masectomy but my oncologist said I would have to have chemo

and most likely radiation due to my age, and would not be able to do

reconstruction right away, which was in disagreement with the surgeon. I

had thought also about alternative therapies, and am glad they had that

disagreement as it gave me time to research things and pick and choose what

works for me. I feel great.

Take care. Blessings to you as well. The Journey is also a good book.

Made me think of that when I read your journey comment. It's written by a

gal who reversed a footbal size tumor in her stomach in 6 weeks by using a

tecnique she developed called the Journey. Fascinating.

Diane

At 08:21 PM 8/25/99 -0400, you wrote:

>From: " K_Ingham " <K_Ingham@...>

>

>Diane, I know what you mean about " so much information " out there, but

>having read voraciously for a couple of years I have " separated the wheat

>from the chaff " , so to speak, and the shark cartilage book is very helpful,

>not only from the standpoint of the info on shark cartilage but also the

>info on anti-angiogenisis. There are many different anti-angiogenic

>substances, not just shark cartilage. So once you get the gist of the

>concept, you see your cancer in a different light. Also, I would strongly

>suggest that you research the parasite angle; I believe that there is much

>help in that arena as well.

>

>Right on with the visualization techniques. Try this one - write down

>every day on a piece of paper, 15 times, something like the following: " I

>am healthy, joyful and free of all cancer " . I am a strong believer in " act

>as though " , i.e. act as though you are free of all cancer every day. You

>get the idea.

>

>Blessings to you on your journey to health! Kathy.

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>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> From: SnottyKat@...

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> Hi Everyone,

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> My name is Sharon. Last August my 68 (then 67) year old mother

>> >> >> >> discovered a rather large lump in her left breast. She has been

>> >afraid

>> >> >> >> of doctors and said she didn't want to know anything and didn't

>> >check

>> >> >> >> her breasts.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> We have believed in alternative practitioners though and have

>seen

>> >them

>> >> >> >> without fear. We went to see a Naturopathic doctor up in

>Canada.

>> >He

>> >> >> >> said that he would assume the lump was not cancer and treat her

>as

>> >> >such.

>> >> >> >> He " treated " her for many months. Finally some time in May

>after

>> >the

>> >> >> >> lump had gotten bigger, I decided that it was time that I tell my

>> >> >> >> brother (in another state) about my mom's lump.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> His wife is a nurse and he told me that my mom must get to a

>doctor

>> >and

>> >> >> >> get this diagnosed ASAP. He said that cancer can spread so fast,

>> >that

>> >> >> >> my mom could be die from waiting so long.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> She agreed to go to a conventional doctor. It was cancerous.

>She

>> >had

>> >> >> >> surgery to have the breast removed.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> A few months back, I found a doctor who is a conventional doctor

>who

>> >> >> >> also believes in holistic (he is similar to Dr. Weil and studies

>> >under

>> >> >> >> him).

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> Now the doctors want to give my mother a drug called Tamoxifen to

>> >> >> >> prevent further cancer. All of her nodes were positive. She

>had

>> >cat

>> >> >> >> scans and there was no cancer found, but there is a questionable

>> >spot

>> >> >on

>> >> >> >> her lung, which may be a scar from bronchitis or pneumonia (she

>does

>> >> >not

>> >> >> >> know of ever having these) or it could be a spot of cancer. I

>guess

>> >it

>> >> >> >> is in the area where cancer would settle.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> The Tamoxifen would supposedly decrease the chance of my mom

>getting

>> >a

>> >> >> >> recurrance by 30 percent. She now has a 60-70% chance of

>recurrance

>> >> >> >> without treatment (in 5 years) and 80-90% in 10 years (according

>to

>> >her

>> >> >> >> doctor).

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> We went to see the half holistic/ half conventional doctor today.

>> >He

>> >> >> >> recommends the Tamoxifen. I told him about a book that I " ve

>been

>> >> >> >> reading called " What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About

>Menopause "

>> >by

>> >> >> >> Dr. Lee. It is an amazing book. It gives so much info on

>> >how

>> >> >> >> natural substances cannot be patented and the drug companies

>can't

>> >make

>> >> >> >> money on them, so they have developed products that are unnatural

>to

>> >> >> >> make money, drugs that our bodies do not do well with.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> Reading this book has really gotten me upset. It's all about

>> >money.

>> >> >> >> Natural medicine is shunned, not because it does not work, but

>> >because

>> >> >> >> there is big money in allopathic medicine. And I believe that a

>> >lot

>> >> >of

>> >> >> >> doctors have been brainwashed by the pharmaceutical companies.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> Anyhow, I asked the doctor about holistic therapy and he said

>that

>> >> >> >> nothing has been proven as far as holistic cures for cancer and

>> >that's

>> >> >> >> why he recommends the Tamoxifen. I don't like the idea of the

>> >> >> >> Tamoxifen, but even if my mom does go for the idea, I'd like to

>at

>> >> >least

>> >> >> >> have her try some alternative therapy in conjunction with it.

>Part

>> >of

>> >> >> >> me is afraid to have her not try Tamoxifen because she waited too

>> >long

>> >> >> >> and may not have much time to play with.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> I do truly believe that there is a natural cure for this, a way

>for

>> >her

>> >> >> >> to beat it.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> I would like any info that people on the list may be able to

>> >provide...

>> >> >> >> also links to websites. I saw that someone mentioned a site of

>Dr.

>> >> >> >> Lorraine Day (my mom's name is Lorraine). I'd appreciate the

>URL

>> >to

>> >> >> >> the site if someone could provide it.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> I'd like links to any sites that might be helpful.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> Does anyone know about natural progesterone cream? The book

>that

>> >I

>> >> >> >> mentioned above is basically about estrogen dominance and low

>> >> >> >> progesterone levels. From what the book says, I thinks it's

>> >possible

>> >> >> >> that my mom could be helped with the natural progesterone cream,

>but

>> >I

>> >> >> >> just dont' know enough about it to make that type of decision. I

>> >asked

>> >> >> >> her doctor today and he didn't know if it would help her. He

>did

>> >> >> >> refer us to an oncologist who would be open to alternatives, who

>is

>> >a

>> >> >> >> conventional doctor. The doctor who did my mother's surgery is

>not

>> >a

>> >> >> >> believer in holistic at all. He will discuss them, but only

>> >basically

>> >> >> >> to tell me that they don't work, that there is no proof.

>> >> >> >> Thanks for any info that anyone can provide. I'd really like to

>> >speak

>> >> >> >> with women who have sucessfully used natural methods for their

>own

>> >> >> >> breast cancer.

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> Warm Regards,

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> Sharon

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> >> >> >> >>

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> >> >> >> >> without fear. We went to see a Naturopathic doctor up in

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> >> >and

> >> >> >> >> get this diagnosed ASAP. He said that cancer can spread so

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> >> >that

> >> >> >> >> my mom could be die from waiting so long.

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> >> >under

> >> >> >> >> him).

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> >> >> >> >> Now the doctors want to give my mother a drug called Tamoxifen

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> >> >> >> >> We went to see the half holistic/ half conventional doctor

today.

> >> >He

> >> >> >> >> recommends the Tamoxifen. I told him about a book that I " ve

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> >> >by

> >> >> >> >> Dr. Lee. It is an amazing book. It gives so much info

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> >> >> >> >> natural substances cannot be patented and the drug companies

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unnatural

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> >> >> >> >> there is big money in allopathic medicine. And I believe

that a

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> >> >> >> >> doctors have been brainwashed by the pharmaceutical companies.

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> >> >> >> >> Anyhow, I asked the doctor about holistic therapy and he said

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> >> >> >> >> nothing has been proven as far as holistic cures for cancer

and

> >> >that's

> >> >> >> >> why he recommends the Tamoxifen. I don't like the idea of

the

> >> >> >> >> Tamoxifen, but even if my mom does go for the idea, I'd like

to

> >at

> >> >> >least

> >> >> >> >> have her try some alternative therapy in conjunction with it.

> >Part

> >> >of

> >> >> >> >> me is afraid to have her not try Tamoxifen because she waited

too

> >> >long

> >> >> >> >> and may not have much time to play with.

> >> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >> I do truly believe that there is a natural cure for this, a

way

> >for

> >> >her

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of

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> >> >> >> >> Does anyone know about natural progesterone cream? The book

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> >> >I

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> >> >> >> >> that my mom could be helped with the natural progesterone

cream,

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> >> >I

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He

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is

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Hi Kathy,

Thanks for your message. I guess what I'll do is just get Dr. s book.

In May I was told I was in the early stages of breast cancer and have been

feeling great, so will know more after I see my doc in Colorado here soon,

but as far as I can tell there haven't been any " physical " changes since

Feb. when I first found the lump, which is really two.

You Can Heal Your Life was written by Louise Hay. You can get the book off

amazon or her website which is hayhouse.com The Journey was written by

Bays, and

is only available in the United Kingdom for now. I got my copy off

amazon.com.uk Kinda fun to " shop " in another country. I also got the

tapes which were nice.

Thanks again for the e-mails. I got the shark book today at the library as

well as the chemotherapy book by Moss.

Take care.

Bright blessings,

Diane

At 10:05 PM 8/26/99 -0400, you wrote:

>From: " K_Ingham " <K_Ingham@...>

>

>Diane, thanks for the message. About the parasite cleanse, although I have

>never experienced this, I have been told that the parasite cleanse can cause

>some discomfort when the parasites die. There are ways to get around this,

>though. Dr. claims that the cleanse can be tolerated by elderly

>people with cancer (most of her patients are late stage - what stage are

>you?). Also, it can cause insomnia, and Dr. has natural

>recommendations for this contingency (I never experienced the insomnia).

>So, no guarantees but you should be able to at least tolerate it and the

>benefits are tremendous.

>

>Who is the author of " You Can Heal Your Life " . Thanks for the tip on The

>Journey, I'll look for the book.

>

>I agree about the anger aspect of cancer; it undoubtedly plays a part.

>

>Blessings, Kathy.

> [ ] New Member

>> >> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >> From: SnottyKat@...

>> >> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >> Hi Everyone,

>> >> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >> My name is Sharon. Last August my 68 (then 67) year old

>mother

>> >> >> >> >> discovered a rather large lump in her left breast. She has

>been

>> >> >afraid

>> >> >> >> >> of doctors and said she didn't want to know anything and

>didn't

>> >> >check

>> >> >> >> >> her breasts.

>> >> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >> We have believed in alternative practitioners though and have

>> >seen

>> >> >them

>> >> >> >> >> without fear. We went to see a Naturopathic doctor up in

>> >Canada.

>> >> >He

>> >> >> >> >> said that he would assume the lump was not cancer and treat

>her

>> >as

>> >> >> >such.

>> >> >> >> >> He " treated " her for many months. Finally some time in May

>> >after

>> >> >the

>> >> >> >> >> lump had gotten bigger, I decided that it was time that I tell

>my

>> >> >> >> >> brother (in another state) about my mom's lump.

>> >> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >> His wife is a nurse and he told me that my mom must get to a

>> >doctor

>> >> >and

>> >> >> >> >> get this diagnosed ASAP. He said that cancer can spread so

>fast,

>> >> >that

>> >> >> >> >> my mom could be die from waiting so long.

>> >> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >> She agreed to go to a conventional doctor. It was cancerous.

>> >She

>> >> >had

>> >> >> >> >> surgery to have the breast removed.

>> >> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >> A few months back, I found a doctor who is a conventional

>doctor

>> >who

>> >> >> >> >> also believes in holistic (he is similar to Dr. Weil and

>studies

>> >> >under

>> >> >> >> >> him).

>> >> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >> Now the doctors want to give my mother a drug called Tamoxifen

>to

>> >> >> >> >> prevent further cancer. All of her nodes were positive. She

>> >had

>> >> >cat

>> >> >> >> >> scans and there was no cancer found, but there is a

>questionable

>> >> >spot

>> >> >> >on

>> >> >> >> >> her lung, which may be a scar from bronchitis or pneumonia

>(she

>> >does

>> >> >> >not

>> >> >> >> >> know of ever having these) or it could be a spot of cancer. I

>> >guess

>> >> >it

>> >> >> >> >> is in the area where cancer would settle.

>> >> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >> The Tamoxifen would supposedly decrease the chance of my mom

>> >getting

>> >> >a

>> >> >> >> >> recurrance by 30 percent. She now has a 60-70% chance of

>> >recurrance

>> >> >> >> >> without treatment (in 5 years) and 80-90% in 10 years

>(according

>> >to

>> >> >her

>> >> >> >> >> doctor).

>> >> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >> We went to see the half holistic/ half conventional doctor

>today.

>> >> >He

>> >> >> >> >> recommends the Tamoxifen. I told him about a book that I " ve

>> >been

>> >> >> >> >> reading called " What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About

>> >Menopause "

>> >> >by

>> >> >> >> >> Dr. Lee. It is an amazing book. It gives so much info

>on

>> >> >how

>> >> >> >> >> natural substances cannot be patented and the drug companies

>> >can't

>> >> >make

>> >> >> >> >> money on them, so they have developed products that are

>unnatural

>> >to

>> >> >> >> >> make money, drugs that our bodies do not do well with.

>> >> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >> Reading this book has really gotten me upset. It's all about

>> >> >money.

>> >> >> >> >> Natural medicine is shunned, not because it does not work, but

>> >> >because

>> >> >> >> >> there is big money in allopathic medicine. And I believe

>that a

>> >> >lot

>> >> >> >of

>> >> >> >> >> doctors have been brainwashed by the pharmaceutical companies.

>> >> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >> Anyhow, I asked the doctor about holistic therapy and he said

>> >that

>> >> >> >> >> nothing has been proven as far as holistic cures for cancer

>and

>> >> >that's

>> >> >> >> >> why he recommends the Tamoxifen. I don't like the idea of

>the

>> >> >> >> >> Tamoxifen, but even if my mom does go for the idea, I'd like

>to

>> >at

>> >> >> >least

>> >> >> >> >> have her try some alternative therapy in conjunction with it.

>> >Part

>> >> >of

>> >> >> >> >> me is afraid to have her not try Tamoxifen because she waited

>too

>> >> >long

>> >> >> >> >> and may not have much time to play with.

>> >> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >> I do truly believe that there is a natural cure for this, a

>way

>> >for

>> >> >her

>> >> >> >> >> to beat it.

>> >> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >> I would like any info that people on the list may be able to

>> >> >provide...

>> >> >> >> >> also links to websites. I saw that someone mentioned a site

>of

>> >Dr.

>> >> >> >> >> Lorraine Day (my mom's name is Lorraine). I'd appreciate

>the

>> >URL

>> >> >to

>> >> >> >> >> the site if someone could provide it.

>> >> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >> I'd like links to any sites that might be helpful.

>> >> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >> Does anyone know about natural progesterone cream? The book

>> >that

>> >> >I

>> >> >> >> >> mentioned above is basically about estrogen dominance and low

>> >> >> >> >> progesterone levels. From what the book says, I thinks it's

>> >> >possible

>> >> >> >> >> that my mom could be helped with the natural progesterone

>cream,

>> >but

>> >> >I

>> >> >> >> >> just dont' know enough about it to make that type of decision.

>I

>> >> >asked

>> >> >> >> >> her doctor today and he didn't know if it would help her.

>He

>> >did

>> >> >> >> >> refer us to an oncologist who would be open to alternatives,

>who

>> >is

>> >> >a

>> >> >> >> >> conventional doctor. The doctor who did my mother's surgery

>is

>> >not

>> >> >a

>> >> >> >> >> believer in holistic at all. He will discuss them, but only

>> >> >basically

>> >> >> >> >> to tell me that they don't work, that there is no proof.

>> >> >> >> >> Thanks for any info that anyone can provide. I'd really like

>to

>> >> >speak

>> >> >> >> >> with women who have sucessfully used natural methods for their

>> >own

>> >> >> >> >> breast cancer.

>> >> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >> Warm Regards,

>> >> >> >> >>

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Diane, thanks for the message. You are so fortunate to have discovered the

breast cancer in its early stages - the doors are wide open for you to use

only alternative methods if you so choose. Another great book - " Keep Your

Breasts " - is written by a woman who used exercise, diet and juicing, and

some other things to cure the cancer. Although there is not much science

here, it is a very inspirational book, something we can all use when faced

with a situation such as this. Would suggest that you do a complete body

cleanse at your earliest opportunity. When I was diagnosed (with a needle

biopsy) I panicked and nearly did the surgery. I was diagnosed on a

Tuesday, did the pre-surgery workup at the hospital on that Thursday, and

scheduled the surgery for the following Tuesday. That's how quickly the

surgeon wanted to remove a mass the size of a lemon from my breast to get

rid of a cancerous lump the size of a pea! I asked the surgeon if there was

any alternative, since she told me I would also have to have several lymph

nodes removed, undergo radiation treatments and possibly chemo. I was told

that there were no alternatives! This was at Columbia Presbyterian Medical

Center in New York City, touted to be one of the best centers in the

country. Between then and the time of surgery, I started talking to people.

I already knew about Dr. through my spiritual advisor (he was having

health problems at the time) so I had some knowledge of alternative

therapies. I immedately did a thorough body cleanse, did the parasite

cleanse after that, and soon thereafter found an alternative doctor to do

the blood tests and follow my progress. I used a " shotgun " approach since I

didn't know what would work for me, using many different things in the first

year and then tailoring my regimen over time. Point is, you must clean up

the environment that allowed the cancer to grow in the first place. Hope

this helps. Kathy.

[ ] New Member

> >> >> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >> >> From: SnottyKat@...

> >> >> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >> >> Hi Everyone,

> >> >> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >> >> My name is Sharon. Last August my 68 (then 67) year old

> >mother

> >> >> >> >> >> discovered a rather large lump in her left breast. She has

> >been

> >> >> >afraid

> >> >> >> >> >> of doctors and said she didn't want to know anything and

> >didn't

> >> >> >check

> >> >> >> >> >> her breasts.

> >> >> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >> >> We have believed in alternative practitioners though and

have

> >> >seen

> >> >> >them

> >> >> >> >> >> without fear. We went to see a Naturopathic doctor up in

> >> >Canada.

> >> >> >He

> >> >> >> >> >> said that he would assume the lump was not cancer and treat

> >her

> >> >as

> >> >> >> >such.

> >> >> >> >> >> He " treated " her for many months. Finally some time in

May

> >> >after

> >> >> >the

> >> >> >> >> >> lump had gotten bigger, I decided that it was time that I

tell

> >my

> >> >> >> >> >> brother (in another state) about my mom's lump.

> >> >> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >> >> His wife is a nurse and he told me that my mom must get to

a

> >> >doctor

> >> >> >and

> >> >> >> >> >> get this diagnosed ASAP. He said that cancer can spread so

> >fast,

> >> >> >that

> >> >> >> >> >> my mom could be die from waiting so long.

> >> >> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >> >> She agreed to go to a conventional doctor. It was

cancerous.

> >> >She

> >> >> >had

> >> >> >> >> >> surgery to have the breast removed.

> >> >> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >> >> A few months back, I found a doctor who is a conventional

> >doctor

> >> >who

> >> >> >> >> >> also believes in holistic (he is similar to Dr. Weil and

> >studies

> >> >> >under

> >> >> >> >> >> him).

> >> >> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >> >> Now the doctors want to give my mother a drug called

Tamoxifen

> >to

> >> >> >> >> >> prevent further cancer. All of her nodes were positive.

She

> >> >had

> >> >> >cat

> >> >> >> >> >> scans and there was no cancer found, but there is a

> >questionable

> >> >> >spot

> >> >> >> >on

> >> >> >> >> >> her lung, which may be a scar from bronchitis or pneumonia

> >(she

> >> >does

> >> >> >> >not

> >> >> >> >> >> know of ever having these) or it could be a spot of cancer.

I

> >> >guess

> >> >> >it

> >> >> >> >> >> is in the area where cancer would settle.

> >> >> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >> >> The Tamoxifen would supposedly decrease the chance of my

mom

> >> >getting

> >> >> >a

> >> >> >> >> >> recurrance by 30 percent. She now has a 60-70% chance of

> >> >recurrance

> >> >> >> >> >> without treatment (in 5 years) and 80-90% in 10 years

> >(according

> >> >to

> >> >> >her

> >> >> >> >> >> doctor).

> >> >> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >> >> We went to see the half holistic/ half conventional doctor

> >today.

> >> >> >He

> >> >> >> >> >> recommends the Tamoxifen. I told him about a book that

I " ve

> >> >been

> >> >> >> >> >> reading called " What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About

> >> >Menopause "

> >> >> >by

> >> >> >> >> >> Dr. Lee. It is an amazing book. It gives so much

info

> >on

> >> >> >how

> >> >> >> >> >> natural substances cannot be patented and the drug

companies

> >> >can't

> >> >> >make

> >> >> >> >> >> money on them, so they have developed products that are

> >unnatural

> >> >to

> >> >> >> >> >> make money, drugs that our bodies do not do well with.

> >> >> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >> >> Reading this book has really gotten me upset. It's all

about

> >> >> >money.

> >> >> >> >> >> Natural medicine is shunned, not because it does not work,

but

> >> >> >because

> >> >> >> >> >> there is big money in allopathic medicine. And I believe

> >that a

> >> >> >lot

> >> >> >> >of

> >> >> >> >> >> doctors have been brainwashed by the pharmaceutical

companies.

> >> >> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >> >> Anyhow, I asked the doctor about holistic therapy and he

said

> >> >that

> >> >> >> >> >> nothing has been proven as far as holistic cures for cancer

> >and

> >> >> >that's

> >> >> >> >> >> why he recommends the Tamoxifen. I don't like the idea

of

> >the

> >> >> >> >> >> Tamoxifen, but even if my mom does go for the idea, I'd

like

> >to

> >> >at

> >> >> >> >least

> >> >> >> >> >> have her try some alternative therapy in conjunction with

it.

> >> >Part

> >> >> >of

> >> >> >> >> >> me is afraid to have her not try Tamoxifen because she

waited

> >too

> >> >> >long

> >> >> >> >> >> and may not have much time to play with.

> >> >> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >> >> I do truly believe that there is a natural cure for this, a

> >way

> >> >for

> >> >> >her

> >> >> >> >> >> to beat it.

> >> >> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >> >> I would like any info that people on the list may be able

to

> >> >> >provide...

> >> >> >> >> >> also links to websites. I saw that someone mentioned a

site

> >of

> >> >Dr.

> >> >> >> >> >> Lorraine Day (my mom's name is Lorraine). I'd appreciate

> >the

> >> >URL

> >> >> >to

> >> >> >> >> >> the site if someone could provide it.

> >> >> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >> >> I'd like links to any sites that might be helpful.

> >> >> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >> >> Does anyone know about natural progesterone cream? The

book

> >> >that

> >> >> >I

> >> >> >> >> >> mentioned above is basically about estrogen dominance and

low

> >> >> >> >> >> progesterone levels. From what the book says, I thinks

it's

> >> >> >possible

> >> >> >> >> >> that my mom could be helped with the natural progesterone

> >cream,

> >> >but

> >> >> >I

> >> >> >> >> >> just dont' know enough about it to make that type of

decision.

> >I

> >> >> >asked

> >> >> >> >> >> her doctor today and he didn't know if it would help her.

> >He

> >> >did

> >> >> >> >> >> refer us to an oncologist who would be open to

alternatives,

> >who

> >> >is

> >> >> >a

> >> >> >> >> >> conventional doctor. The doctor who did my mother's

surgery

> >is

> >> >not

> >> >> >a

> >> >> >> >> >> believer in holistic at all. He will discuss them, but

only

> >> >> >basically

> >> >> >> >> >> to tell me that they don't work, that there is no proof.

> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks for any info that anyone can provide. I'd really

like

> >to

> >> >> >speak

> >> >> >> >> >> with women who have sucessfully used natural methods for

their

> >> >own

> >> >> >> >> >> breast cancer.

> >> >> >> >> >>

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Report post · August 28, 1999

Hi Kathy,

I'm a little confused here. What do you mean by a total body cleanse? I

started one put out by Nature's Secret, but got tired and weak after a few

weeks and stopped it. I also have been using a pendulum to " test " things,

which works for me. Yeah. My lump is smaller than a lemon by a little,

but there are two little tiny pea masses under it which are malignant. My

story is similar to yours, but I didn't get to the presurgery workup stage.

I just started reading " The Creation of Health " by Caroline Myss.

Fascinating book, and it describes a holistic approach. Her first story

was about a young gal who had breast cancer, who only used alternative

therapy, and ended up dieing after two years as she was terrified of chemo

and surgery, which may have helped her. She cut herself completely off

from the allopathic medical community. I like the idea of a holistic

approach and will listen to Bill Moyers Mind, Body tapes on my drive to

Colorado. There are some folks who do traditional therapy that are just

fine as well as the ones who do alternative. It seems like a blend would

be good. Or at least to have the choices presented. I think really we

know exactly what we need if we go with our feelings on things. I know I

start feeling worse when I even think of going and being poked and prodded,

and it doesn't have anything to do with fear. It has to do with someone

insisting that I do what they say, just because they say it. I work better

when I have options, so am looking forward to seeing the doc in Colorado.

Kinda windy here today. Have a nice weekend. I was 42 when I was

diagnosed and am 43 now. May I ask how old you are? I'm only curious as

the docs have made a big deal out of my age, and feel radical therapies are

the only options. For some reason that doesn't make sense to me??? I

understand the hormonal thing, but one of them told me they do more radical

things with younger women to give them a better chance of surviving. I

also don't want to be labeled a survivor of anything, and find it

interesting that so much emphasis is put on " surviving " cancer. Do we have

cold survivors? Or measles survivors? Kinda like being in recovery from

an addiction. What a label! At one point are we just people without the

emotional labels? I think the cancer industry actually plays into the

labels a lot. Guess I best feed my horses and run the dogs.

Thanks again for all the info. I value your opinion.

Blessings,

Diane

At 08:01 AM 8/28/99 -0400, you wrote:

>From: " K_Ingham " <K_Ingham@...>

>

>Diane, thanks for the message. You are so fortunate to have discovered the

>breast cancer in its early stages - the doors are wide open for you to use

>only alternative methods if you so choose. Another great book - " Keep Your

>Breasts " - is written by a woman who used exercise, diet and juicing, and

>some other things to cure the cancer. Although there is not much science

>here, it is a very inspirational book, something we can all use when faced

>with a situation such as this. Would suggest that you do a complete body

>cleanse at your earliest opportunity. When I was diagnosed (with a needle

>biopsy) I panicked and nearly did the surgery. I was diagnosed on a

>Tuesday, did the pre-surgery workup at the hospital on that Thursday, and

>scheduled the surgery for the following Tuesday. That's how quickly the

>surgeon wanted to remove a mass the size of a lemon from my breast to get

>rid of a cancerous lump the size of a pea! I asked the surgeon if there was

>any alternative, since she told me I would also have to have several lymph

>nodes removed, undergo radiation treatments and possibly chemo. I was told

>that there were no alternatives! This was at Columbia Presbyterian Medical

>Center in New York City, touted to be one of the best centers in the

>country. Between then and the time of surgery, I started talking to people.

>I already knew about Dr. through my spiritual advisor (he was having

>health problems at the time) so I had some knowledge of alternative

>therapies. I immedately did a thorough body cleanse, did the parasite

>cleanse after that, and soon thereafter found an alternative doctor to do

>the blood tests and follow my progress. I used a " shotgun " approach since I

>didn't know what would work for me, using many different things in the first

>year and then tailoring my regimen over time. Point is, you must clean up

>the environment that allowed the cancer to grow in the first place. Hope

>this helps. Kathy.

Report post · August 29, 1999

I believe the schedule now stands as: Greeley, CO 2:00pm at the Best

Western (R?) (will check on that) and in Denver, CO 7:30 pm at the Red Lion

Hotel(former/old Holiday Inn). If there are any changes I can let you know.

Hope you are able to get there to hear Dr. Hsia.

Did you get the mail yet? Let me know when you do.

Thanks. H.

Re: [ ] New Member

>From: Diane Naasz <dianelnl@...>

>

>,

>

>I would be very interested in the Colorado date(s) when you know them.

>

>Thanks,

>Diane

>

Report post · August 29, 1999

Hi ,

Yes I got the mail. Thanks. Haven't had a chance to look through all the

info yet. What are the dates in Colorado??? I also didn't see prices???

Thanks again. I can see there is lots of good info.

Diane

At 04:41 PM 8/29/99 -0500, you wrote:

>From: " H " <1eagles9@...>

>

> I believe the schedule now stands as: Greeley, CO 2:00pm at the Best

>Western (R?) (will check on that) and in Denver, CO 7:30 pm at the Red Lion

>Hotel(former/old Holiday Inn). If there are any changes I can let you know.

> Hope you are able to get there to hear Dr. Hsia.

> Did you get the mail yet? Let me know when you do.

>Thanks. H.

> Re: [ ] New Member

>

>>From: Diane Naasz <dianelnl@...>

>>

>>,

>>

>>I would be very interested in the Colorado date(s) when you know them.

>>

>>Thanks,

>>Diane

>>

>

>---------------------------

Report post · August 30, 1999

Sorry I forgot the dates. Lots going on in the background. Sept 16,

Greeley,CO, 2pm and Denver, CO 7:30pm; Clear Lake IA, Sept 17, 7:00pm,

maybe another 3:00pm session?, Sept 18, Rochester, MN, 2pm and Minneapolis,

MN,7pm .

I will do another post after I verify all places and times. These were

all just changed from the 23-25th back a week.

H.

Re: [ ] New Member

>>

>>>From: Diane Naasz <dianelnl@...>

>>>

>>>,

>>>

>>>I would be very interested in the Colorado date(s) when you know them.

>>>

>>>Thanks,

>>>Diane

>>>

>>

>>---------------------------

Report post · August 30, 1999

Oh. O.K. Thanks.

Diane

At 06:58 PM 8/29/99 -0500, you wrote:

>From: " H " <1eagles9@...>

>

>Sorry I forgot the dates. Lots going on in the background. Sept 16,

>Greeley,CO, 2pm and Denver, CO 7:30pm; Clear Lake IA, Sept 17, 7:00pm,

>maybe another 3:00pm session?, Sept 18, Rochester, MN, 2pm and Minneapolis,

>MN,7pm .

> I will do another post after I verify all places and times. These were

>all just changed from the 23-25th back a week.

> H.

> Re: [ ] New Member

>>>

>>>>From: Diane Naasz <dianelnl@...>

>>>>

>>>>,

>>>>

>>>>I would be very interested in the Colorado date(s) when you know them.

>>>>

>>>>Thanks,

>>>>Diane

>>>>

>>>

>>>---------------------------

Report post · August 30, 1999

Diane, Hi and thanks for the message. By whole body cleanse I simply mean

finding a product, there are several good ones out there, that you take for

from three to seven days along with a restricted diet. The cleanse I first

did was made from, I believe, elderberry (I will look up the exact product

if you care to know). Actually the cleanse had three elements - one was

elderberry juice, one was a cleansing tea, and the third a pill for bulk I

believe. It was a seven day cleanse, eating only certain foods (I never

felt weak or hungry) and then slowly introducing other foods after the

cleanse. Also, it is desirable to do a parasite cleanse (I use Hulda

's methods) and a bowel cleanse. After these two, you can do a kidney

cleanse and then a liver cleanse (I use Dr. for these also). By the

time you are done, many years of accumulated toxins and parasites have been

removed from your body which enables the body to kill the cancer cells,

which is what a healthy body does naturally, instead of constantly battling

the toxins and parasites.

I agree with you that you have to use your instincts as to what methods to

use. The allopathic approach just didn't feel right to me. As soon as I

started the alternative program it " felt " right, you know? Also, there is

just too much literature out there convincing me that the allopathic medical

community doesn't have a clue as to the why and how of breast cancer, only

how to remove the offending tissue. When your body is at its weakest point,

when you have a cancer that has grown because your immune system cannot

control it, radiation and chemotherapy is introduced into the system to

further weaken the body. Makes no sense whatsoever to me. Our bodies have

cancer cells in them all of the time, and a healthy immune system simply

destroys them in due course. Makes perfect sense to build up the immune

system, not destroy it. If I thought that surgery was safe, I would have

the lump removed to reduce the burden of the mass. As it is, surgery can

spread the cancer. Often after surgery a cancerous mass grows right at the

surgical site or metastisis occurs because the " envelope " that surrounds the

cancer is opened up and and millions of cancer cells are released into other

areas of the body.

In retrospect, it would have been far easier to have had the surgery, but at

what cosst to my future health? The alternative approaches are hard work,

they take time and commitment. You have to totally change your life style.

If you don't, it probably will not work. And you can't do it for a while,

and then go back to your former habits. It is a lifetime commitment, which

can cure cancer and which will make you a healthier person in the long run.

I know women who did the surgery and it worked fine for them. I also know

that radiation and chemotherapy have killed more women cured them. The

allopathic community is just starting to use only surgery without the rest.

Indeed, the allopathic community is also starting to use only alternative

methods, and that is in the large teaching hospitals.

I say, " go with your gut " . Some people are just not able to grasp the

alternative approach and they would be better off using the allopathic

techniques since you cannot just do nothing.

I am 48 years old, was diagnosed at 44 years. I went into perimenopause at

about the same time as the cancer was diagnosed, so that was good news.

There are also some very good herbal remedies out there - Essiac is one of

them, and Chinese medicinal herbs are also very good. I use the Essiac.

You have horses? I am so jealous!!!!!.

May the Blessings Be. Kathy.

Re: [ ] New Member

> From: Diane Naasz <dianelnl@...>

>

> Hi Kathy,

>

> I'm a little confused here. What do you mean by a total body cleanse? I

> started one put out by Nature's Secret, but got tired and weak after a few

> weeks and stopped it. I also have been using a pendulum to " test " things,

> which works for me. Yeah. My lump is smaller than a lemon by a little,

> but there are two little tiny pea masses under it which are malignant. My

> story is similar to yours, but I didn't get to the presurgery workup

stage.

> I just started reading " The Creation of Health " by Caroline Myss.

> Fascinating book, and it describes a holistic approach. Her first story

> was about a young gal who had breast cancer, who only used alternative

> therapy, and ended up dieing after two years as she was terrified of chemo

> and surgery, which may have helped her. She cut herself completely off

> from the allopathic medical community. I like the idea of a holistic

> approach and will listen to Bill Moyers Mind, Body tapes on my drive to

> Colorado. There are some folks who do traditional therapy that are just

> fine as well as the ones who do alternative. It seems like a blend would

> be good. Or at least to have the choices presented. I think really we

> know exactly what we need if we go with our feelings on things. I know I

> start feeling worse when I even think of going and being poked and

prodded,

> and it doesn't have anything to do with fear. It has to do with someone

> insisting that I do what they say, just because they say it. I work

better

> when I have options, so am looking forward to seeing the doc in Colorado.

>

> Kinda windy here today. Have a nice weekend. I was 42 when I was

> diagnosed and am 43 now. May I ask how old you are? I'm only curious as

> the docs have made a big deal out of my age, and feel radical therapies

are

> the only options. For some reason that doesn't make sense to me??? I

> understand the hormonal thing, but one of them told me they do more

radical

> things with younger women to give them a better chance of surviving. I

> also don't want to be labeled a survivor of anything, and find it

> interesting that so much emphasis is put on " surviving " cancer. Do we

have

> cold survivors? Or measles survivors? Kinda like being in recovery from

> an addiction. What a label! At one point are we just people without the

> emotional labels? I think the cancer industry actually plays into the

> labels a lot. Guess I best feed my horses and run the dogs.

>

> Thanks again for all the info. I value your opinion.

>

> Blessings,

> Diane

>

> At 08:01 AM 8/28/99 -0400, you wrote:

> >From: " K_Ingham " <K_Ingham@...>

> >

> >Diane, thanks for the message. You are so fortunate to have discovered

the

> >breast cancer in its early stages - the doors are wide open for you to

use

> >only alternative methods if you so choose. Another great book - " Keep

Your

> >Breasts " - is written by a woman who used exercise, diet and juicing, and

> >some other things to cure the cancer. Although there is not much science

> >here, it is a very inspirational book, something we can all use when

faced

> >with a situation such as this. Would suggest that you do a complete body

> >cleanse at your earliest opportunity. When I was diagnosed (with a

needle

> >biopsy) I panicked and nearly did the surgery. I was diagnosed on a

> >Tuesday, did the pre-surgery workup at the hospital on that Thursday, and

> >scheduled the surgery for the following Tuesday. That's how quickly the

> >surgeon wanted to remove a mass the size of a lemon from my breast to get

> >rid of a cancerous lump the size of a pea! I asked the surgeon if there

was

> >any alternative, since she told me I would also have to have several

lymph

> >nodes removed, undergo radiation treatments and possibly chemo. I was

told

> >that there were no alternatives! This was at Columbia Presbyterian

Medical

> >Center in New York City, touted to be one of the best centers in the

> >country. Between then and the time of surgery, I started talking to

people.

> >I already knew about Dr. through my spiritual advisor (he was

having

> >health problems at the time) so I had some knowledge of alternative

> >therapies. I immedately did a thorough body cleanse, did the parasite

> >cleanse after that, and soon thereafter found an alternative doctor to do

> >the blood tests and follow my progress. I used a " shotgun " approach

since I

> >didn't know what would work for me, using many different things in the

first

> >year and then tailoring my regimen over time. Point is, you must clean

up

> >the environment that allowed the cancer to grow in the first place. Hope

> >this helps. Kathy.

>

> ---------------------------

Report post · August 30, 1999

Hi Kathy,

Thanks for all the info. I ordered the Breast Book off amazon and also the

Wise Woman Breast Book. If it's not too much trouble I would like the

cleanse info. I'll have to see about getting Dr. 's book somewhere

else. Amazon had it on back order for 5 weeks or so.

I agree with the alternative approach, but it's all second nature for me

now. Well what I'm doing anyway. Totally vegetarian, no refined sugar, no

alcohol, tobacco, or caffeine. I love doing fresh juices and

experimenting, and absolutely love the way I feel. Lots of energy and

vitality.

Not sure what you meant about perimenopause being good??? Actually the

oncologist did say something about being premenopausal was the reason I

would need chemo. Must be the hormones or something? I also agree on the

cutting thing and that it can spread cancer cells, or that does appear to

be what happens sometimes.

Yeah I have four horses who are very life giving for me and help keep me in

the conversation and laughing. You're welcome to come ride them anytime!

:>)

Had a wonderful visit with my spiritual guide lastnight and this evening

via the phone. She pointed out some words I was even using which were

negative, which was interesting. Can't wait to get moved to Colorado so I

have access to more supports, although they say things many times are right

under your nose, and " show up " once you stop looking. I feel centered and

balanced spiritually, emotionally, and mentally, as well as physically, so

that's nice.

Thanks again for all the info. Nice to tap into your expertise, so I'm not

wading through this all alone. I have friends who are great support, but

it's a bit different then someone who is actually going through it. I also

have my animals, and often wonder if they ever tire of me being

philosophical with them and analyzing everything.

Blessed Be,

Diane

At 09:47 PM 8/29/99 -0400, you wrote:

>From: " K_Ingham " <K_Ingham@...>

>

>Diane, Hi and thanks for the message. By whole body cleanse I simply mean

>finding a product, there are several good ones out there, that you take for

>from three to seven days along with a restricted diet. The cleanse I first

>did was made from, I believe, elderberry (I will look up the exact product

>if you care to know). Actually the cleanse had three elements - one was

>elderberry juice, one was a cleansing tea, and the third a pill for bulk I

>believe. It was a seven day cleanse, eating only certain foods (I never

>felt weak or hungry) and then slowly introducing other foods after the

>cleanse. Also, it is desirable to do a parasite cleanse (I use Hulda

>'s methods) and a bowel cleanse. After these two, you can do a kidney

>cleanse and then a liver cleanse (I use Dr. for these also). By the

>time you are done, many years of accumulated toxins and parasites have been

>removed from your body which enables the body to kill the cancer cells,

>which is what a healthy body does naturally, instead of constantly battling

>the toxins and parasites.

>

>I agree with you that you have to use your instincts as to what methods to

>use. The allopathic approach just didn't feel right to me. As soon as I

>started the alternative program it " felt " right, you know? Also, there is

>just too much literature out there convincing me that the allopathic medical

>community doesn't have a clue as to the why and how of breast cancer, only

>how to remove the offending tissue. When your body is at its weakest point,

>when you have a cancer that has grown because your immune system cannot

>control it, radiation and chemotherapy is introduced into the system to

>further weaken the body. Makes no sense whatsoever to me. Our bodies have

>cancer cells in them all of the time, and a healthy immune system simply

>destroys them in due course. Makes perfect sense to build up the immune

>system, not destroy it. If I thought that surgery was safe, I would have

>the lump removed to reduce the burden of the mass. As it is, surgery can

>spread the cancer. Often after surgery a cancerous mass grows right at the

>surgical site or metastisis occurs because the " envelope " that surrounds the

>cancer is opened up and and millions of cancer cells are released into other

>areas of the body.

>

>In retrospect, it would have been far easier to have had the surgery, but at

>what cosst to my future health? The alternative approaches are hard work,

>they take time and commitment. You have to totally change your life style.

>If you don't, it probably will not work. And you can't do it for a while,

>and then go back to your former habits. It is a lifetime commitment, which

>can cure cancer and which will make you a healthier person in the long run.

>I know women who did the surgery and it worked fine for them. I also know

>that radiation and chemotherapy have killed more women cured them. The

>allopathic community is just starting to use only surgery without the rest.

>Indeed, the allopathic community is also starting to use only alternative

>methods, and that is in the large teaching hospitals.

>

>I say, " go with your gut " . Some people are just not able to grasp the

>alternative approach and they would be better off using the allopathic

>techniques since you cannot just do nothing.

>

>I am 48 years old, was diagnosed at 44 years. I went into perimenopause at

>about the same time as the cancer was diagnosed, so that was good news.

>

>There are also some very good herbal remedies out there - Essiac is one of

>them, and Chinese medicinal herbs are also very good. I use the Essiac.

>

>You have horses? I am so jealous!!!!!.

>

>May the Blessings Be. Kathy.

>

> Re: [ ] New Member

>

>> From: Diane Naasz <dianelnl@...>

>>

>> Hi Kathy,

>>

>> I'm a little confused here. What do you mean by a total body cleanse? I

>> started one put out by Nature's Secret, but got tired and weak after a few

>> weeks and stopped it. I also have been using a pendulum to " test " things,

>> which works for me. Yeah. My lump is smaller than a lemon by a little,

>> but there are two little tiny pea masses under it which are malignant. My

>> story is similar to yours, but I didn't get to the presurgery workup

>stage.

>> I just started reading " The Creation of Health " by Caroline Myss.

>> Fascinating book, and it describes a holistic approach. Her first story

>> was about a young gal who had breast cancer, who only used alternative

>> therapy, and ended up dieing after two years as she was terrified of chemo

>> and surgery, which may have helped her. She cut herself completely off

>> from the allopathic medical community. I like the idea of a holistic

>> approach and will listen to Bill Moyers Mind, Body tapes on my drive to

>> Colorado. There are some folks who do traditional therapy that are just

>> fine as well as the ones who do alternative. It seems like a blend would

>> be good. Or at least to have the choices presented. I think really we

>> know exactly what we need if we go with our feelings on things. I know I

>> start feeling worse when I even think of going and being poked and

>prodded,

>> and it doesn't have anything to do with fear. It has to do with someone

>> insisting that I do what they say, just because they say it. I work

>better

>> when I have options, so am looking forward to seeing the doc in Colorado.

>>

>> Kinda windy here today. Have a nice weekend. I was 42 when I was

>> diagnosed and am 43 now. May I ask how old you are? I'm only curious as

>> the docs have made a big deal out of my age, and feel radical therapies

>are

>> the only options. For some reason that doesn't make sense to me??? I

>> understand the hormonal thing, but one of them told me they do more

>radical

>> things with younger women to give them a better chance of surviving. I

>> also don't want to be labeled a survivor of anything, and find it

>> interesting that so much emphasis is put on " surviving " cancer. Do we

>have

>> cold survivors? Or measles survivors? Kinda like being in recovery from

>> an addiction. What a label! At one point are we just people without the

>> emotional labels? I think the cancer industry actually plays into the

>> labels a lot. Guess I best feed my horses and run the dogs.

>>

>> Thanks again for all the info. I value your opinion.

>>

>> Blessings,

>> Diane

>>

>> At 08:01 AM 8/28/99 -0400, you wrote:

>> >From: " K_Ingham " <K_Ingham@...>

>> >

>> >Diane, thanks for the message. You are so fortunate to have discovered

>the

>> >breast cancer in its early stages - the doors are wide open for you to

>use

>> >only alternative methods if you so choose. Another great book - " Keep

>Your

>> >Breasts " - is written by a woman who used exercise, diet and juicing, and

>> >some other things to cure the cancer. Although there is not much science

>> >here, it is a very inspirational book, something we can all use when

>faced

>> >with a situation such as this. Would suggest that you do a complete body

>> >cleanse at your earliest opportunity. When I was diagnosed (with a

>needle

>> >biopsy) I panicked and nearly did the surgery. I was diagnosed on a

>> >Tuesday, did the pre-surgery workup at the hospital on that Thursday, and

>> >scheduled the surgery for the following Tuesday. That's how quickly the

>> >surgeon wanted to remove a mass the size of a lemon from my breast to get

>> >rid of a cancerous lump the size of a pea! I asked the surgeon if there

>was

>> >any alternative, since she told me I would also have to have several

>lymph

>> >nodes removed, undergo radiation treatments and possibly chemo. I was

>told

>> >that there were no alternatives! This was at Columbia Presbyterian

>Medical

>> >Center in New York City, touted to be one of the best centers in the

>> >country. Between then and the time of surgery, I started talking to

>people.

>> >I already knew about Dr. through my spiritual advisor (he was

>having

>> >health problems at the time) so I had some knowledge of alternative

>> >therapies. I immedately did a thorough body cleanse, did the parasite

>> >cleanse after that, and soon thereafter found an alternative doctor to do

>> >the blood tests and follow my progress. I used a " shotgun " approach

>since I

>> >didn't know what would work for me, using many different things in the

>first

>> >year and then tailoring my regimen over time. Point is, you must clean

>up

>> >the environment that allowed the cancer to grow in the first place. Hope

>> >this helps. Kathy.

>>

>> ---------------------------

Report post · August 30, 1999

I must have missed the 1st note on these meetings ...........

Who is Dr. Hsia & what is the topic??

What are the dates??

Re: [ ] New Member

>From: Diane Naasz <dianelnl@...>

>

>,

>

>I would be very interested in the Colorado date(s) when you know them.

>

>Thanks,

>Diane

>

---------------------------

Report post · August 30, 1999

Dr Hsia is a nutrition scientist who spoke in April to the American Association

of Cancer Research Research to around 2500 of the nation's top oncologists about

his research breakthrough with SelGuard. SelGuard is a natural product that has

gone through the proprietary technology that make it non-toxic. Clinical studies

have shown that it suppressed cancer cells while not harming good ones.

Dr. Hsia will be speaking about his cancer research in Greeley,CO-2:00pm at

the Best Western Ramkota Sept. 16

Denver, CO-7:30pm at the Red Lion(former Holiday Inn) Sept 16

Clear Lake,IA 7:00pm at the Best Western Lodge Sept 17

Rochester, MN 2:00pm at the Koehler Grand Hotel Sept 18

Minneapolis, MN 7:30pm at the Radisson Hotel Sept 18.

If you have any more questions email me and I will try to answer. If you

or anyone ends up going, the receptionist who gave me the accurate dates, said

to mention how you found out about the meetings so they can track where the

contacts are from. Tell them H. from RC, WI . The referral no is

#31257. Thanks.

I have been to hear Dr Hsia four times and I learn something new each

time. I have had the opportunity to spend time with him. He may well be one of

the top nutrition scientists out there. He tries to spend time with as many

people as he can after the presentation and has a real compassion for peoples

health needs.

The meetings are free.

H.

Re: [ ] New Member

From: " H " <1eagles9@...>

I believe the schedule now stands as: Greeley, CO 2:00pm at the

Best

Western (R?) (will check on that) and in Denver, CO 7:30 pm at the Red

Lion

Hotel(former/old Holiday Inn). If there are any changes I can let you

know.

Hope you are able to get there to hear Dr. Hsia.

Report post · August 30, 1999

Thank you so much! I will try to attend & give the group some feedback.

Re: [ ] New Member

From: " H " <1eagles9@...>

I believe the schedule now stands as: Greeley, CO 2:00pm at the

Best

Western (R?) (will check on that) and in Denver, CO 7:30 pm at the

Red Lion

Hotel(former/old Holiday Inn). If there are any changes I can let

you know.

Hope you are able to get there to hear Dr. Hsia.

Report post · August 31, 1999

Diane, thanks for the msg. Can't find the info on the cleanse product I

used here at home. I'll have to get the name next time I'm in the health

food store - sorry.

Perimenopausal was good because it meant that I had less estrogen in my

system to encourage the cancer growth.

Be careful, I might take you up on the horse back riding!

Would you mind telling me your spiritual path? Just curious, since mine is

such a big part of my life and my journey.

Good talking with you - have wonderful dreams. Kathy.

Re: [ ] New Member

> >

> >> From: Diane Naasz <dianelnl@...>

> >>

> >> Hi Kathy,

> >>

> >> I'm a little confused here. What do you mean by a total body cleanse?

I

> >> started one put out by Nature's Secret, but got tired and weak after a

few

> >> weeks and stopped it. I also have been using a pendulum to " test "

things,

> >> which works for me. Yeah. My lump is smaller than a lemon by a

little,

> >> but there are two little tiny pea masses under it which are malignant.

My

> >> story is similar to yours, but I didn't get to the presurgery workup

> >stage.

> >> I just started reading " The Creation of Health " by Caroline Myss.

> >> Fascinating book, and it describes a holistic approach. Her first

story

> >> was about a young gal who had breast cancer, who only used alternative

> >> therapy, and ended up dieing after two years as she was terrified of

chemo

> >> and surgery, which may have helped her. She cut herself completely off

> >> from the allopathic medical community. I like the idea of a holistic

> >> approach and will listen to Bill Moyers Mind, Body tapes on my drive to

> >> Colorado. There are some folks who do traditional therapy that are

just

> >> fine as well as the ones who do alternative. It seems like a blend

would

> >> be good. Or at least to have the choices presented. I think really we

> >> know exactly what we need if we go with our feelings on things. I know

I

> >> start feeling worse when I even think of going and being poked and

> >prodded,

> >> and it doesn't have anything to do with fear. It has to do with

someone

> >> insisting that I do what they say, just because they say it. I work

> >better

> >> when I have options, so am looking forward to seeing the doc in

Colorado.

> >>

> >> Kinda windy here today. Have a nice weekend. I was 42 when I was

> >> diagnosed and am 43 now. May I ask how old you are? I'm only curious

as

> >> the docs have made a big deal out of my age, and feel radical therapies

> >are

> >> the only options. For some reason that doesn't make sense to me??? I

> >> understand the hormonal thing, but one of them told me they do more

> >radical

> >> things with younger women to give them a better chance of surviving. I

> >> also don't want to be labeled a survivor of anything, and find it

> >> interesting that so much emphasis is put on " surviving " cancer. Do we

> >have

> >> cold survivors? Or measles survivors? Kinda like being in recovery

from

> >> an addiction. What a label! At one point are we just people without

the

> >> emotional labels? I think the cancer industry actually plays into the

> >> labels a lot. Guess I best feed my horses and run the dogs.

> >>

> >> Thanks again for all the info. I value your opinion.

> >>

> >> Blessings,

> >> Diane

> >>

> >> At 08:01 AM 8/28/99 -0400, you wrote:

> >> >From: " K_Ingham " <K_Ingham@...>

> >> >

> >> >Diane, thanks for the message. You are so fortunate to have

discovered

> >the

> >> >breast cancer in its early stages - the doors are wide open for you to

> >use

> >> >only alternative methods if you so choose. Another great book - " Keep

> >Your

> >> >Breasts " - is written by a woman who used exercise, diet and juicing,

and

> >> >some other things to cure the cancer. Although there is not much

science

> >> >here, it is a very inspirational book, something we can all use when

> >faced

> >> >with a situation such as this. Would suggest that you do a complete

body

> >> >cleanse at your earliest opportunity. When I was diagnosed (with a

> >needle

> >> >biopsy) I panicked and nearly did the surgery. I was diagnosed on a

> >> >Tuesday, did the pre-surgery workup at the hospital on that Thursday,

and

> >> >scheduled the surgery for the following Tuesday. That's how quickly

the

> >> >surgeon wanted to remove a mass the size of a lemon from my breast to

get

> >> >rid of a cancerous lump the size of a pea! I asked the surgeon if

there

> >was

> >> >any alternative, since she told me I would also have to have several

> >lymph

> >> >nodes removed, undergo radiation treatments and possibly chemo. I was

> >told

> >> >that there were no alternatives! This was at Columbia Presbyterian

> >Medical

> >> >Center in New York City, touted to be one of the best centers in the

> >> >country. Between then and the time of surgery, I started talking to

> >people.

> >> >I already knew about Dr. through my spiritual advisor (he was

> >having

> >> >health problems at the time) so I had some knowledge of alternative

> >> >therapies. I immedately did a thorough body cleanse, did the

parasite

> >> >cleanse after that, and soon thereafter found an alternative doctor to

do

> >> >the blood tests and follow my progress. I used a " shotgun " approach

> >since I

> >> >didn't know what would work for me, using many different things in the

> >first

> >> >year and then tailoring my regimen over time. Point is, you must

clean

> >up

> >> >the environment that allowed the cancer to grow in the first place.

Hope

> >> >this helps. Kathy.

> >>

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