dry eyes

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HI KATE,

I have problems with my eyes going blurred in the night which get better after

spending a penny, and also developed what is called a floater that looks like a

fly or piece of fluff in front of the eye. This appeared while at the computer,

and really bothered me at first as I could not see what it was even in front of

a mirror, but it was there all the same. I was sent to a specialist for both

these problems as I have an interest in photography.

I was told that the gland was not making enough fluid that in turn also causes

it to feel like grit in them, and have to use drops to keep them moist. The

floater they cannot do anything about and I could end up getting more of them.

I have also been told in the past that there are calcium deposits in them.

My Mother, myself and both daughters are also short sighted, so I do think eyes

play a part in thyroid problems including the high BP.

I also have white spots under the eyes that are referred to as MILIA, but they

become harder when I am not well, and the substance in them is white, and it is

this that gets hard. I am of the feeling that it is calcium inside them and that

it is a way that my body is trying to get rid of it.

Babies can get them too and are then referred to as milk spots, and in turn

maybe calcium from the milk.

My eyes can also go dark looking like somebody has biffed me in the eyes, and a

former GP nicknamed them as PANDA EYES, but could find no cause.

Kathleen

>

> Has anyone else had eye/face problems due to thyroid dysfunction? Did they

improve when treatment given for thyroid.

>                                                          Thanks Kate.

>

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Kate, I have had BIG problems with dry eyes and dry mouth since the thyroid. I

also associate it with a lack of T3. An optician reassured me that nothing was

inside my eyes and recommended carbomer eye gel, as this is better than the

hypromellose eye drops I was using. I still use the eye drops, but it depends

how my eyes are. I also use Glandosane artificial saliva spray. Both of these I

have prescribed on the NHS. All this to alleviate symptoms of lack of T3.

Fiona

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Hi Fiona

Have you been tested for Sjogens syndrome.

Dry mucus membrances are symptoms of this such as dry mouth and dry eyes.

L

>

> Kate, I have had BIG problems with dry eyes and dry mouth since the thyroid. I

also associate it with a lack of T3. An optician reassured me that nothing was

inside my eyes and recommended carbomer eye gel, as this is better than the

hypromellose eye drops I was using. I still use the eye drops, but it depends

how my eyes are. I also use Glandosane artificial saliva spray. Both of these I

have prescribed on the NHS. All this to alleviate symptoms of lack of T3.

>

> Fiona

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kate,

>>>> Has anyone else had (dry) eye/face problems due to thyroid dysfunction? Did

they improve when treatment given for thyroid.

What about tinnitus anyone?<<<<

I also had a severe dry eye (virtually no tear production) & mouth (little

Saliva) and Tinnitis. I had to use artificial tears, Biotene Gum & dry mouth

rinses (alcohol & Fluoride free) rinses, and give up contact lenses. All

resolved now I have just bought some new contact lenses to try out.

There is some evidence that low Sex hormones also affects eye health (Estrogen,

Testosterone). In fact Menopause is listed as one 'cause' in many articles!!!

Other things that are important for eye health are EFA's, Vit A, Vit E, good

hydration (electrolyte levels & balance).

Many drugs (antihistamines, BCP's, AD's, antidiuretics (including Coffee & Tea),

opiates, BP meds) also affect tear production.

Heating & air conditioning can also dry out eyes.

Smoking also affects eyes.

http://www.allaboutvision.com/nutrition/

http://www.davidobrart.co.uk/dryeyes.html

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/dry-ey ... ION=causes

http://www.nei.nih.gov/health/dryeye/dryeye.asp

possible dry mouth Vit D link

Blood pressure both low & high can affect intraoccular pressure & blood

circulation within the eye. This can cause damage to optic nerve (Glaucoma).

Blood Sugar regulation is also extremely important.

Eye damage is common in poorly controlled Diabetes.

Fluoride, Chlorine & Vitamin A

http://www.acu-cell.com/fcl.html

High levels of fluoride and/or chloride can trigger ringing/noises in the ear

(tinnitus), and may eventually lead to progressive hearing loss. No extra

beta-carotene should be supplemented in those instances, but only preformed

Vitamin A, if deficient

Fixing electrolytes (I needed Salt, rx Potassium, Florinef, Magnesium, Vit D)

fixed the tinnitus way before Thyroid was optimised.

Lethal Lee

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Not heard of " Fry Eyes " before Ian *grin*. Sounds like

they looked like a couple of fried eggs!

Luv - Sheila

I suffered terrible Fry Eyes for years. used to

be really bad at night & really hindered sleep.

Since I've been taking Iodoral & B12 jabs, it's completely gone!

I can't say which one did it (if not both), as I started them at the same time.

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> Have you been tested for Sjogens syndrome.

>

> Dry mucus membrances are symptoms of this such as dry mouth and dry eyes.

>

Am I correct in thinking the Sjogens is diagnosed by an opthamologist with some

sort of investigation that they do? If that is the case, then NO I have not been

tested or diagnosed. Is it auto-immune? The thing is I have had various

auto-immune blood tests and they were all negative. The endocrinologist referred

to my problem as " Sicca Syndrome " .

Fiona

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sj%C3%B6gren's_syndrome

http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=8020

Sjogrens syndrome is also known as Sicca Syndrome Fiona.

Luv - Sheila

Am I correct in thinking the Sjogens is diagnosed by an opthamologist with some

sort of investigation that they do? If that is the case, then NO I have not

been tested or diagnosed. Is it auto-immune? The thing is I have had various

auto-immune blood tests and they were all negative. The endocrinologist

referred to my problem as " Sicca Syndrome " .

Fiona

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My ophthalmologist said that my dry eyes were directly related to my Hashimoto's and she suggested that I take additional Omega 3 oils. She did not want to test for Sjogrens unless the dry eyes were much worse, but she did do a tear test. Getting optimized on NDT and adding oils cleared up my dry eyes to the point that I use over-the-counter eye drops only when necessary. Fibrojay

[Guest guest]

Hi Lee, thanks for youe e mail. You say your problems are resolved now. How did

these symptoms go?

regards Kate.

>

> Hi Kate,

>

> >>>> Has anyone else had (dry) eye/face problems due to thyroid dysfunction?

Did they improve when treatment given for thyroid.

> What about tinnitus anyone?<<<<

[Ed]

[Guest guest]

Hi Fiona

Heres some info

http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/Sjogrens-syndrome/Pages/Introduction.aspx

Sjogren's syndrome is a condition where the body's immune system malfunctions

and begins to attack healthy tissue (an autoimmune condition).

In Sjogren's syndrome the immune system usually targets the tear and saliva

glands, leading to a reduction in the production of saliva and tears. This can

lead to symptoms of dry mouth and dry eyes.

In women, the glands responsible for keeping the vagina moist can also be

affected, leading to vaginal dryness.

Other parts of the body can also be affected, causing a range of symptoms from

fatigue, muscle and joint pain, and numbness and pain in the arms or legs

(neuropathy).

>

> > Have you been tested for Sjogens syndrome.

> >

> > Dry mucus membrances are symptoms of this such as dry mouth and dry eyes.

> >

> Am I correct in thinking the Sjogens is diagnosed by an opthamologist with

some sort of investigation that they do? If that is the case, then NO I have not

been tested or diagnosed. Is it auto-immune? The thing is I have had various

auto-immune blood tests and they were all negative. The endocrinologist referred

to my problem as " Sicca Syndrome " .

>

> Fiona

>

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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sj%C3%B6gren's_syndrome

>

> http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=8020

>

> Sjogrens syndrome is also known as Sicca Syndrome Fiona.

>

Thanks for that definition.

So although I don't have antibodies (none detected in blood tests) there must be

an auto-immune component to my ill-health. I don't think I have the

auto-antibodies that attack my body because I don't have Hashimotos or any of

the other auto-antibodies detected in blood tests. I don't have coeliacs either.

There must be a difference between an auto-immune aspect than having an

auto-immune disorder. OR where my system attacks various parts of the body, I am

wondering if it's only attacking the eyes and mouth then. The consultant

referred to it as having negative tests to auto-antibodies and then probable

sicca syndrome.

This could be why I have mito-cocci small bacteria infection, if this colonises

if your immunity is poor and it's bound to be poor if you have a bit of an

auto-immune component to your ill-health, bound to be at risk of infections.

There is thought to be an auto-immune component to ME/CFS.

I have had trouble with allergies, esp as a child, such as bad hay fever and

asthma, although this improved as I got older but of course still exists as an

adult.

However that doesn't mean my immune system isn't confused or screwed up in some

way. As a child, I got every cough and cold going, had tonsills out, ear

infections, chest infections, had whooping cough, measles, you name it, a sickly

child but plodded on in school.

So rather than my immune system attacking parts of my body or my organs, I think

it has been confused at times and in over-drive. Or somehow ineffective and

doesn't respond well. Perhaps in my case it's more of an antibody and an odd

auto-immune process, rather than a generalized disorder, where you end up with

all sorts of diabetes, chrons, and so on. Rather than full blown auto-immune,

somehow my being is a tendency to this direction, from what I am asssuming.

I wonder if it is possible for the auto antibodies for the sicca without the

auto antibodies attacking other organs of the body? What threw me with all this

is because doctors refer to it as though sicca is without the antibodies but you

have the dryness of eyes and mouth. Yet sicca was discovered by the sweedish

opthamologist himself. So yeah no doubt the names can be used inter-changeably.

One way or another I do get a feeling as though grit is in my eyes and they are

dry and they produce white stuff.

Fiona

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" These are looking for the presence of two specific auto-antibodies in the blood

- anti-Ro and anti-La. They are sometimes also referred to as SS-A and SS-B

reflecting their importance in Sjögren's. However they are only present in about

60% of patients with Sjögren's syndrome

so it is perfectly possible to have negative results and still have the

condition. " http://www.bssa.uk.net/information.html

I will have to look back and see if those tests were included, even if they

were, by all accounts it may defeat the object and it's more about symptoms.

I am wondering if it could explain a thing or two about my ME/CFS fatigue and

pain.

Needless to say, the more I think about it, I am glad I have just started my

private prescription for LDN!

IF I am honest, it's personal but yeah this has applied.

" In women, the glands responsible for keeping the vagina moist can also be

affected, leading to vaginal dryness. "

So somehow I thought that just because I didn't have chrons, coeliac, hashimotos

etc etc, I didn't have an auto-immune disorder, when clearly over time, more and

more is becoming part of my ill-health. And you know what else? GPs often say

that dry eyes and dry mouth can be part of ME/CFS. AS I say if I had £1 for the

times I heard " that'll be the ME " in 2006, I would be VERY rich!

Fiona

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Hi Kate, Yes, I have tinnitus, but can usually manage to ignore it. > thyroid treatment > From: kt_abbott@...> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 14:05:15 +0000> Subject: DRY EYES> > Has anyone else had eye/face problems due to thyroid dysfunction? Did they improve when treatment given for thyroid. What about tinnitus anyone?> à°à°à°à°à°à°à°à°à°à°à°à°à°à°à°à°à°à°à°à°à°à°à°à°à°à°à°à° Thanks Kate.> > > > > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Lethal Lee,

I have quite dry eyes and have done for some time,but also have times where my eyes stream and look as though I'm crying.I get a dry mouth every day,but not all day, but its a dry mouth and not a thirst if you know what I mean.Drinking does nothing to relieve it and all that fluid just gives me a belly ache! I've had tinnitus for years,so has my hubby who is also hypo,and the ringing can make me lose my hearing but only for a matter of seconds.Mu hubby had a problem with one of his eyes as soon as he started taking levo. It swelled right up to the point of his lid drooping and was really blood shot and dry,but no pain at all. He went to St s Hospital in Sidcup and had numerous blood tests,eye tests and even a scan and they still found nothing.I said it was thyroid related from the beggining,but as usual no-one listenend to me

including my hubby! The A & E he went to first,told him it was probably a foreign object in his eye,gave him drops and made it worse. Then they said it was probably the start of a sty,more drops and made it worse,but in the end they had no idea! Im sure it was hypo related,but as usual no-one listened,not even hubby,story of my life!

Best wishes Sharon

From: pricklefoot3 <pricklefoot3@...>Subject: Re: DRY EYESthyroid treatment Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 6:31 PM

Hi Kate,>>>> Has anyone else had (dry) eye/face problems due to thyroid dysfunction? Did they improve when treatment given for thyroid. What about tinnitus anyone?<<<<

[Guest guest]

Hi Fiona, the hay fever/ashma is an allergy problem with IgG. look this up with wikipedia-it will tell you about the IgG types and what thy do.! Angel.

[Guest guest]

>my eyes stream and look as though I'm crying.

My optician said that the eyes can over-compensate and stimulate the tear duct,

when the eyes are dry. It's like a vicious cycle.

I have to say, a lot of it is thyroid related with myself and T3 helps.

It's bizarre isn't it how it's hard to get taken seriously and obvious symptoms

are rebuked.

Fiona

[Guest guest]

> Hi Fiona, the hay fever/ashma is an allergy problem with IgG. look this up

with wikipedia-

> it will tell you about the IgG types and what thy do.! Angel.

>

I quite agree about that! It's just that the medical establishment dismiss you

as having auto-immune disorders, if the usual auto-antibodies are negative.

Clearly it's possible to have auto-immune aspects to your illness, or ill-health

generally, even if it's not relating to the main reason why you are not in work.

To what extent my eyes and mouth is thyroid or sicca/auto-immune I guess I will

never know. Clearly by nature with me there is something immune and allergy

orientated.

I cannot remember what it was called, but as a child I had two years worth of

twice weekly injections at the GP for the hay fever. It was some sort of

desensitising treatment. A third year would have cleared it up, but it was

banned. That was annoying because it really did the trick. Needless to say the

hay fever was much improved after that. Thankfully the asthma is the least of my

worries in comparison to the thyroid and ME/CFS. Never had time off school or

work with the asthma you see.

Fiona.

[Guest guest]

Hi Angel

Can you please post links to such information please. I am very

busy most days, and don't have time to find them, so it would help us all

enormously.

Many thanks

Luv - Sheila

Hi Fiona, the hay fever/ashma

is an allergy problem with IgG. look this up with wikipedia-

it will tell you about the IgG types and what thy do.! Angel.

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Hi fiona, If you finally get sufficient T3 then you may find that all your allergies subside- most of mine did- I only now have to avoid cow's milk- though I can now tolerate some and I still can't touch green beans when raw! No urticaria or hayfever at all now. > thyroid treatment > From: f.hodgkiss@...> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 12:40:22 +0000> Subject: Re: DRY EYES> > > Hi Fiona, the hay fever/ashma is an allergy problem with IgG. look this up with wikipedia-> > it will tell you about the IgG types and what thy do.! Angel.> >> > I cannot remember what it was called, but as a child I had two years worth of twice weekly injections at the GP for the hay fever. It was some sort of desensitising treatment. A third year would have cleared it up, but it was banned. That was annoying because it really did the trick. Needless to say the hay fever was much improved after that. Thankfully the asthma is the least of my worries in comparison to the thyroid and ME/CFS. Never had time off school or work with the asthma you see. > > Fiona.> > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Kate

What posted (below) very neatly sums me up too I don't notice it most

days, but it's more obvious on days when I'm very tired.

in Kent

>

>

> Hi Kate,

> Yes, I have tinnitus, but can usually manage to ignore it.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have this problem occasionally. What does it for me are MSM+

Silver water drops, which I bought from an Internet Pharmacy,

GoodHealthNaturallyNutrition

Luv - Sheila

Has anyone experienced dry eyes? My eyes have

become extremely dry over the last few weeks and I'm anxious to get it sorted.

They became particularly bad 4 weeks after my GP reduced my NDT to 2.5 grains

from 3.25. I've increased the NDT to 2.75 grains but although I feel fine, my

eyes don't.

Many thanks in advance

Jan M

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Thank you Sheila, I'll get some.

Love

Jan M

>

> I have this problem occasionally. What does it for me are MSM+ Silver water

> drops, which I bought from an Internet Pharmacy,

> GoodHealthNaturallyNutrition

>

> Luv - Sheila

>

> Has anyone experienced dry eyes?

[Guest guest]

> Has anyone experienced dry eyes? My eyes have become extremely dry over the

last few weeks and I'm anxious to get it sorted. They became particularly bad 4

weeks after my GP reduced my NDT to 2.5 grains from 3.25. I've increased the

NDT to 2.75 grains but although I feel fine, my eyes don't.

>

Jan this is one of my problems to be honest. I use hypromellose eye drops and

lacrilube gel for the eyes as recommended by opticians and GPs.

Fiona

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i seem to recall vitamin A conversion prolems is implicated with dry eyes...vit

A is needed by mucosal linings if i remember rightly.

http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/vitaminA/

trish

>

> I have this problem occasionally. What does it for me are MSM+ Silver water

> drops, which I bought from an Internet Pharmacy,

> GoodHealthNaturallyNutrition

>

[Guest guest]

Hi there - yes I agree and zinc cannot be metabolised without enough A.

That doesnt mean we have to throw millions of IU's at our body though. About 5,000 Iu's should be enough.

regards

Mandy