Biopsy

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Thanks Doc,

Seems to me treatment is probably the best option for me at this time.

>From: " Doc " <gidoc@...>

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>Subject: Re: biopsy

>Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:17:33 +0530

>

>Dear Dee Dee,

>

>I must have said this earlier but I dont mind stating it again,

>currently treatment options for HCV depend upon a high HCV RNA load

>alone. They are further reinforced if you have demonstrable hepatitis(

>elevated AST/ALT) and or fibrosis( on liver biopsy) going on. This is so

>because merely decreasing the viral load has been shown to be of benefit

>in halting progression of the disease to cirrhosis and HCC. It is true

>that biopsy is the best instrument for determinig the state of the liver

>disease.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Doc,

Seems to me treatment is probably the best option for me at this time.

>From: " Doc " <gidoc@...>

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>Subject: Re: biopsy

>Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:17:33 +0530

>

>Dear Dee Dee,

>

>I must have said this earlier but I dont mind stating it again,

>currently treatment options for HCV depend upon a high HCV RNA load

>alone. They are further reinforced if you have demonstrable hepatitis(

>elevated AST/ALT) and or fibrosis( on liver biopsy) going on. This is so

>because merely decreasing the viral load has been shown to be of benefit

>in halting progression of the disease to cirrhosis and HCC. It is true

>that biopsy is the best instrument for determinig the state of the liver

>disease.

>

>

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Thanks Doc,

Seems to me treatment is probably the best option for me at this time.

>From: " Doc " <gidoc@...>

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>Subject: Re: biopsy

>Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:17:33 +0530

>

>Dear Dee Dee,

>

>I must have said this earlier but I dont mind stating it again,

>currently treatment options for HCV depend upon a high HCV RNA load

>alone. They are further reinforced if you have demonstrable hepatitis(

>elevated AST/ALT) and or fibrosis( on liver biopsy) going on. This is so

>because merely decreasing the viral load has been shown to be of benefit

>in halting progression of the disease to cirrhosis and HCC. It is true

>that biopsy is the best instrument for determinig the state of the liver

>disease.

>

>

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Thanks Doc,

Seems to me treatment is probably the best option for me at this time.

>From: " Doc " <gidoc@...>

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>Subject: Re: biopsy

>Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:17:33 +0530

>

>Dear Dee Dee,

>

>I must have said this earlier but I dont mind stating it again,

>currently treatment options for HCV depend upon a high HCV RNA load

>alone. They are further reinforced if you have demonstrable hepatitis(

>elevated AST/ALT) and or fibrosis( on liver biopsy) going on. This is so

>because merely decreasing the viral load has been shown to be of benefit

>in halting progression of the disease to cirrhosis and HCC. It is true

>that biopsy is the best instrument for determinig the state of the liver

>disease.

>

>

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Sylv,

Thats funny, Yeah I also feel there are alot of other things I'd rather be

doing on a day I'll miss of work. The antipication is probably worse than

the actual experience of the biopsy. You gotta do what you gotta do. I'm

thankful I have insurance. Thats another reason I'm going ahead. It's

through my employer. Socialized medicine......I doubt if here in the U.S.

we'll ever see it. Best of Luck to you.....Dee Dee

>From: " sylvati " <sylvati@...>

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>Subject: Re: biopsy

>Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 08:59:53 +0100

>

>Hi Dee Dee, Yes England. Here we fortunately do not have to pay for

>treatment. There is a knack for manipulating the system til you get seen

>to

>properly though!

>

>You ask about the biopsy. I can think of better things to do with a

>handsome young man than having him slide several inches of steel between my

>ribs but that was all he was interested in at the time! I was completely

>petrified and gibbering and blubbing all the way through. However,

>although

>I felt pricks from the many injections of local anaesthetic given first,

>there was very little actual pain, either during or after. The worst thing

>about it was just the sheer terror! I had heard that sometimes you can get

>pain in your right shoulder but this didn't happen to me. If you can find

>someone to go along & hold your hand it would probably help. Good luck

>with

>it. love sylv

> biopsy

> > >

> > >

> > > > Hi Everybody,

> > > > I hope this posts this time. I seen my Doctor and have an appt. for

>a

> > > > biopsy the 9th of Aug. This was my request. He agreed but said all

>my

> > > > blood tests came back favorable, indicating little or no liver

>damage.

> > >My

> > > > blood is cloting fine. He said being genotype 2b means 6 months

> > >treatment

> > > > and a 40% chance of clearing the virus. I asked if he ran a PCR to

>find

> > >out

> > > > my viral load and he said it doesn't tell you much. Is that true?

> > >Makes

> > >me

> > > > wonder if they are trying to keep costs down. I was wondering if

>blood

> > > > tests are accurate enough to determine how well the liver is

> > >functioning?

> > > > Maybe I don't need to have the biopsy. If very little damage, I'm

> > >opting

> > > > not to go through with treatment for now, otherwise yes. To biopsy

>or

> > >not

> > > > to biopsy........thanks for the input I received on symptoms before

> > > > treatment.......Dee Dee

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<<I must have said this earlier but I dont mind stating it again,

currently treatment options for HCV depend upon a high HCV RNA load

alone. They are further reinforced if you have demonstrable hepatitis(

elevated AST/ALT) and or fibrosis( on liver biopsy) going on. >>

Glad you're not my doc! hahahaha I have very mild inflamation, normal liver

enzymes, low viral load. Starting 3rd month treatment and feel great!

alley/

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[Guest guest]

<<I must have said this earlier but I dont mind stating it again,

currently treatment options for HCV depend upon a high HCV RNA load

alone. They are further reinforced if you have demonstrable hepatitis(

elevated AST/ALT) and or fibrosis( on liver biopsy) going on. >>

Glad you're not my doc! hahahaha I have very mild inflamation, normal liver

enzymes, low viral load. Starting 3rd month treatment and feel great!

alley/

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alleypat@...

http://www.flash.net/~alleypat

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/2/00 10:04:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

egroups writes:

<< ust read some of the posts and was shocked to read yours. I sure hope

your

daughters biopsy turns out okay. It sounds like another real life

Brockivich story. Our prayers and thoughts are with

her.[[[[[[[[[[[hugs]]]]]]]]]]].

>>

>>

Okay, Gail, I missed it, as usual.......what's the story?? Saying a prayer

that everything works out okay......

God Bless,

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In a message dated 9/5/00 9:50:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Ltb3105@...

writes:

<< Okay, Gail, I missed it, as usual.......what's the story?? Saying a

prayer

that everything works out okay......

God Bless,

>>

Hi ,

I told about our local high school being built in a red zone because they got

the land for the bargain price of $1.00 and how now there are over 40 kids

with cancer from the school. My daughter just found out she needs a biopsy.

Another brilliant move on the school districts part! Thanks for the prayer

. All these kids sure need them. I spent the day today with the Mother

of one of the kids that are dying. Sure hope I never have to travel that

sad, sad road.

Gail

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Dear Jenn..mine was a brownish color...kinda made me wonder but it was stage

II moderate fibrosis. I was thinking it should be pink....oh well. So, my

answer I don't know!!!! sorry, mzgee

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hi, mine was the color of tomato flesh kind of red

>From: Mzgee1@...

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>Subject: Re: biopsy

>Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:40:49 EST

>

>Dear Jenn..mine was a brownish color...kinda made me wonder but it was

>stage

>II moderate fibrosis. I was thinking it should be pink....oh well. So, my

>answer I don't know!!!! sorry, mzgee

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Good for you Jenn, yes it is very good. Now that the

biopsy is behind you, don't you think the worrying was

worse than the biopsy. I was like you in expecting a

lot of pain everyone told me it was one of the worse

pains I would ever have, (I knew that much was not

true). I did not have anyone like the people here to

talk to. I was thinking the other day, how did I find

this group. I can't remember, maybe I will remember

someday. Claudine or Marty or someone else might know

about the color, I don't...Take Care, Connie

I am sorry I did not Welcome all the newcomers, I have

not felt real good. So I am saying WELCOME, to you

all now.

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Good for you Jenn, yes it is very good. Now that the

biopsy is behind you, don't you think the worrying was

worse than the biopsy. I was like you in expecting a

lot of pain everyone told me it was one of the worse

pains I would ever have, (I knew that much was not

true). I did not have anyone like the people here to

talk to. I was thinking the other day, how did I find

this group. I can't remember, maybe I will remember

someday. Claudine or Marty or someone else might know

about the color, I don't...Take Care, Connie

I am sorry I did not Welcome all the newcomers, I have

not felt real good. So I am saying WELCOME, to you

all now.

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jenn.. you mean the color of your liver sliver? Mine was bright red, doc

said that looked " healthy " , but I'm sure it just means it's an indication,

not anything definite. I mean if your liver came out looking like cooked

meat, I'd start to worry!

alley/

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[Guest guest]

am I a hepper or what.. the whole point of my previous post was a joke

sheesh...

I said hell yeah my liver is brite red doc! You'd be red with anger too if

someone stabbed your guts and pulled out a living sliver!

ok ok lame liver sliver joke Its the weekend and I did my pcr lab

yesterday and I feel like crap today so played hooky from work but I don't

care cause it's Friday and I'm too tired to worry about it

alley/

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[Guest guest]

Mine was a color between you two's color.

--- jenn fisher <jenniboop2@...> wrote:

> hi, mine was the color of tomato flesh kind of red

>

> >From: Mzgee1@...

> >Reply-Hepatitis Cegroups

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> >Subject: Re: biopsy

> >Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:40:49 EST

> >

> >Dear Jenn..mine was a brownish color...kinda made

> me wonder but it was

> >stage

> >II moderate fibrosis. I was thinking it should be

> pink....oh well. So, my

> >answer I don't know!!!! sorry, mzgee

> >

> >

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> removed]

> >

>

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Hey Pat you are doing real good, you have been

working. That is much more than me, not that I don't

want to. I have been doing some volunteer work here

where I am. Last night I made it in and was

installing modems for this church group that is trying

to teach young and even older people to have self

esteem and knowledge to get out from under welfare. I

am setting up their computers and will be teaching

computer classes to them. It is kind of scary but I

know I have it in my brain. Maybe, I need to attend

the self esteem courses myself, smile. They also

understand if I am not feeling up to it I will not be

there. It makes me feel good that I can contribute to

making these people's live's better......Connie

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Hello Jenn,

I didnt know the color was a factor also. Mine is described as tan. I am

3a stage 2 virus. Maybe the lighter the better. Dunno.

Flo

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I just have to try to get over this whole thing about being preoccupied with

thinking about this biopsy. After all he has not even suggested it to me

again. My Hepatologist said after two years I will need another one. Well,

here it is two years later and he has not mentioned it again(and of course I

will not mention it either). Sometimes I ask myself why me???? Does anyone

else ever do this? I hate to feel sorry for myself but sometimes I do(esp

when I am tired or menses, or achy) Oh well sometimes I feel very lucky that

I have these children because I cannot dwell tooooo long on anything. I mean

its time to eat, drink, play games and be mommy. LUCKY ME!!!

LOVE, AMY

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Amy,

It is very easy to feel sorry for yourself and that is OK. You don't want to

stay there very long because it can keep you there. I really had pity after

my transplant I was pathetic. Then one day took over a year I told myself

this is enough during my clinic visit told the doctor I was depressed of

which the doc gave me Zoloft. I researched about every test I had to go

through how it is done, why, I knew more about my procedures than the docs

did. I still do. I am the type who hates surprises the docs know that yet

they don't get it, then I turn into a very nasty bitch. This is my life I

have to deal with the pain the tests the illnesses that go along with it the

side effects I have to decide where to place and understand. You must try to

get your mind off the medical side for a while and I know how hard that can

be. Even for just a moment forget who you are and enjoy some of your life and

your children before you lose those moments. Try not to worry about what

hasn't happened yet. Just know you are still alive to be with your children.

You will eventually get use to this all and put it in its place just another

part of your life.

gayle/trans.6-99

galye@... ^OO^

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sorry about caps don;t yell at me

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>From: " janetelmes " <janetelmes@...>

>Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 12:12:02 -0000

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>Subject: [ ] Biopsy

>

>What am I missing here? I had a liver puncture biopsy a few years ago and

only had the numbing injection. I understood that you had to be awake in order

to be able to hold your breath while the needle was inside so that it did not

damage the tissue it passed through as you breathed in and out.

>

>My experience was awful, and to make it worse, the doctor had not done one

before and found he had not got enough liver tissue in the needle so he had to

do another one straight away (by which time the numbness was nearly worn off!).

It could be that it felt so awful because my liver was damaged and was a lot

harder than a good one.

>

>I also expressed the view that if they ever wanted to do another biopsy they

would have to catch me first. I've been in training ever since. LOL

>

>I would be a lot happier if I knew that I could be asleep if it was done again.

I have knock-out drops for my endoscopies and they don't worry me at all though

when they do banding of the varices I have a memory like a bad dream afterwards

of my chest being full of fighting people, all elbows and knees, and I am trying

to pull them out!

>

>Janet

>UK

>

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Janet

i also had a very bad biopsy. i now go to a diffrent gastro mainly because of

that. my new gastro knows where i stand about a biopsy. i am asleep or VERY

drugged or forget about it.

heidi

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>From: " janetelmes " <janetelmes@...>

>Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 12:12:02 -0000

>Reply- egroups

>Subject: [ ] Biopsy

>

>What am I missing here? I had a liver puncture biopsy a few years ago and

only had the numbing injection. I understood that you had to be awake in order

to be able to hold your breath while the needle was inside so that it did not

damage the tissue it passed through as you breathed in and out.

>

>My experience was awful, and to make it worse, the doctor had not done one

before and found he had not got enough liver tissue in the needle so he had to

do another one straight away (by which time the numbness was nearly worn off!).

It could be that it felt so awful because my liver was damaged and was a lot

harder than a good one.

>

>I also expressed the view that if they ever wanted to do another biopsy they

would have to catch me first. I've been in training ever since. LOL

>

>I would be a lot happier if I knew that I could be asleep if it was done again.

I have knock-out drops for my endoscopies and they don't worry me at all though

when they do banding of the varices I have a memory like a bad dream afterwards

of my chest being full of fighting people, all elbows and knees, and I am trying

to pull them out!

>

>Janet

>UK

>

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I was told the same thing. Minw is on Thursday, and he told me he had to keep me awake to breath.

Christi.

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Janet,

I don't blame you for being afraid to have another biopsy. Your experience

was a nightmare. You are right about needing to be awake during the biopsy.

I too had Versed, but I was not in a half sleep. I was awake enough to know

when to hold my breath. It did give me an incredible buzz that took the fear

away.

I think the key to having a positive experience is to make sure the

radiologist who does the test has EXPERIENCE doing liver biopsies.

Experience coupled with " good drugs " might make all of the difference in the

world.

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Everything Jerry said was like what I experienced; he just described it more clearly and thoroughly than I was able to.

The biopsy was, for me, at least, a piece of cake. And it is a very useful tool in moving toward recovery.

Harper (AIH 5/00)