Test Results

[Guest guest]

Your SHBG is high this binds up your T meds so they are not working to get this

down get your Estradiol levels down. You need to be at about 20 pg/ml I use

Arimidex to do this if you can't get your Dr. to give you this try Indolplex/DIM

get this brand and take one tablet at dinner time when your E2 comes down first

thing to happen is your night time and morning wood will start up so strong it

will wake you up. Keeping it down to this sweet spot you will get your sex life

back. You can drive your Estradiol levels down to low so use your wood as a

gage on this if you get it beck then later lose it your going down to low. So

just stop it and when your wood comes back that day go back on but cut the dose

in half. If you use arimidex start with .25 mgs every other day.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: gasper.patrico <gasper.patrico@...>

> Subject: Test Results

>

> Date: Monday, October 4, 2010, 3:37 PM

> These are my test results after 12

> weeks

> Bio-avail T 343.4 ng/dl

> albumin serum 4 g/dl

> shbg 40 nmol/L

> testosterone 715 ng/dl

> testosterone %free 1.8

> free testosterone 12.74 ng/dl

> estradiol 47 pg/ml

>

> Any comments? I feel o.k. not great these numbers are up

> consderably from 12 wks ago. I'm still haveing some

> erection  and libido problems not as bad as before.I

> thought I'd feel alot better with higher numbers.

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have Indoplex/DIM I'll try that first. Is there a reason to take it at dinner?

>

> > From: gasper.patrico <gasper.patrico@...>

> > Subject: Test Results

> >

> > Date: Monday, October 4, 2010, 3:37 PM

> > These are my test results after 12

> > weeks

> > Bio-avail T 343.4 ng/dl

> > albumin serum 4 g/dl

> > shbg 40 nmol/L

> > testosterone 715 ng/dl

> > testosterone %free 1.8

> > free testosterone 12.74 ng/dl

> > estradiol 47 pg/ml

> >

> > Any comments? I feel o.k. not great these numbers are up

> > consderably from 12 wks ago. I'm still haveing some

> > erection  and libido problems not as bad as before.I

> > thought I'd feel alot better with higher numbers.

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Yes it's a big meal will not upset your stomach and Estradiol levels go the

highest at night time.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: gasper.patrico <gasper.patrico@...>

> Subject: Re: Test Results

>

> Date: Tuesday, October 5, 2010, 8:35 AM

> I have Indoplex/DIM I'll try that

> first. Is there a reason to take it at dinner?

>

>

> >

> > > From: gasper.patrico <gasper.patrico@...>

> > > Subject: Test Results

> > >

> > > Date: Monday, October 4, 2010, 3:37 PM

> > > These are my test results after 12

> > > weeks

> > > Bio-avail T 343.4 ng/dl

> > > albumin serum 4 g/dl

> > > shbg 40 nmol/L

> > > testosterone 715 ng/dl

> > > testosterone %free 1.8

> > > free testosterone 12.74 ng/dl

> > > estradiol 47 pg/ml

> > >

> > > Any comments? I feel o.k. not great these numbers

> are up

> > > consderably from 12 wks ago. I'm still haveing

> some

> > > erection  and libido problems not as bad as

> before.I

> > > thought I'd feel alot better with higher

> numbers.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Having high SHBG is indicative of other imbalances which need to be ruled out

ranging from staravation, liver inflammation, thyroid meds, dhea, adrenal and e2

imbalance that need to be properly invested by a good dr. Mainly high SHBG has

been seen in thyroid and celiac or other hidden food allergies resulting from

intestinal inflammation.

>

> > From: gasper.patrico <gasper.patrico@...>

> > Subject: Test Results

> >

> > Date: Monday, October 4, 2010, 3:37 PM

> > These are my test results after 12

> > weeks

> > Bio-avail T 343.4 ng/dl

> > albumin serum 4 g/dl

> > shbg 40 nmol/L

> > testosterone 715 ng/dl

> > testosterone %free 1.8

> > free testosterone 12.74 ng/dl

> > estradiol 47 pg/ml

> >

> > Any comments? I feel o.k. not great these numbers are up

> > consderably from 12 wks ago. I'm still haveing some

> > erection  and libido problems not as bad as before.I

> > thought I'd feel alot better with higher numbers.

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I'll see how it goes. Kaiser is all that I can afford right now at

$430/month. The coverage that I had which was much better was about

$1,200/month. With pre-existing conditions it is very hard to switch until

the healthcare laws kick in. As bad as they are, if the legislators start

messing with them again, they will just make a bad thing worse because they

have pretty much turned writing new legislation over to the insurance

companies.

If I don't get satisfactory treatment with what I have, then I will seek it

privately.

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 7:22 AM, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

>

> Kaiser is very bad most of the men that come here can't find a good Dr. let

> alone have to deal with Kaiser.

>

> If you want to get better you need to see a Dr. outside of Kaiser they are

> very down on low T.

>

> It's you life you need to take control of it find a better Dr. one like Dr.

> men fly or drive out to see him. He is the kind of Dr. that only needs

> to see you once to test and treat you by phone after you see him.

>

> www.allthingsmale.com

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

> > >

> > > > From: Spanky <spankysd@... <spankysd%40gmail.com>

> > <spankysd%40gmail.com>>

>

> > > > Subject: Test Results

> > > > < %40>

> > < %40>

>

> > > > Date: Monday, October 4, 2010, 2:12 PM

> > >

> > > > I'm 53 years old, and healthy, except

> > > > that my libido is zero for the past

> > > > couple of years. Also, no erections without the

> > aid of

> > > > drugs for the past 12

> > > > years or so. I asked my internist to test my

> > testosterone

> > > > level. The results

> > > > are: 345 with a standard range of 280-800. My

> > doctor is

> > > > telling me that my

> > > > testosterone levels are within normal limits, and

> > nothing

> > > > to worry about.

> > > >

> > > > I find all the stuff on the internet rather

> > confusing, but

> > > > it sounds like I

> > > > should be up around 500-600 at my age.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

I hear you it is tough money is tight jobs are less this county is going to the

dogs.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> > > >

> > > > > From: Spanky <spankysd@...

> <spankysd%40gmail.com>

> > > <spankysd%40gmail.com>>

> >

> > > > > Subject: Test Results

> > > > >

> < %40>

> > > < %40>

> >

> > > > > Date: Monday, October 4, 2010, 2:12 PM

> > > >

> > > > > I'm 53 years old, and healthy, except

> > > > > that my libido is zero for the past

> > > > > couple of years. Also, no erections

> without the

> > > aid of

> > > > > drugs for the past 12

> > > > > years or so. I asked my internist to

> test my

> > > testosterone

> > > > > level. The results

> > > > > are: 345 with a standard range of

> 280-800. My

> > > doctor is

> > > > > telling me that my

> > > > > testosterone levels are within normal

> limits, and

> > > nothing

> > > > > to worry about.

> > > > >

> > > > > I find all the stuff on the internet

> rather

> > > confusing, but

> > > > > it sounds like I

> > > > > should be up around 500-600 at my age.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

> been

> > > removed]

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hey Phil,

 

I called Dr. 's office today to make inquiry concerning the optimun time for

blood drawing follwing application of Androgel.  They will not tell me anthing

until after I become a patient of record.  Please advise me of the recommended

draw time and the rationale.  The endocrinologists whom I have seen seem to

agree that two hours post application works best.  My estrogen runs around

thirty,  Would like to get it a little lower.  I was on Testolactone for many

years...until the pharmaceutical company  discontinued  its manufacture. 

Haven't found an alternative that doesn't make me sick.

 

Thanks,

 

> > > >

> > > > > From: Spanky <spankysd@...

> <spankysd%40gmail.com>

> > > <spankysd%40gmail.com>>

> >

> > > > > Subject: Test Results

> > > > >

> < %40>

> > > < %40>

> >

> > > > > Date: Monday, October 4, 2010, 2:12 PM

> > > >

> > > > > I'm 53 years old, and healthy, except

> > > > > that my libido is zero for the past

> > > > > couple of years. Also, no erections

> without the

> > > aid of

> > > > > drugs for the past 12

> > > > > years or so. I asked my internist to

> test my

> > > testosterone

> > > > > level. The results

> > > > > are: 345 with a standard range of

> 280-800. My

> > > doctor is

> > > > > telling me that my

> > > > > testosterone levels are within normal

> limits, and

> > > nothing

> > > > > to worry about.

> > > > >

> > > > > I find all the stuff on the internet

> rather

> > > confusing, but

> > > > > it sounds like I

> > > > > should be up around 500-600 at my age.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

> been

> > > removed]

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Here is what I know about Androgel and Testim was on it for yrs. You put it on

in the morning after a shower when your dry. With Andorgel you spread it over

your upper arms and shoulders and down your back as far as you can reach.

I stays just under your skin feeding your bood with Testosterone upto 4 hrs. So

it's best to shower don't put on the gel and do your labs. It's best to shower

first so you have the old gel off your skin it they stick you were the gel was

it can spike up your labs. If you can't do this put on the gel keeping it away

from the spot they stick you to take your blood and do this after 6 hrs so you

don't spike up your labs with the T just under your skin.

With Testim do the same thing but when you put it on rub it in well with

Androgel let is dry from wet.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> > > > >

> > > > > > From: Spanky <spankysd@...

> > <spankysd%40gmail.com>

> > > > <spankysd%40gmail.com>>

> > >

> > > > > > Subject: Test

> Results

> > > > > >

> > < %40>

> > > > < %40>

> > >

> > > > > > Date: Monday, October 4, 2010,

> 2:12 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > > I'm 53 years old, and healthy,

> except

> > > > > > that my libido is zero for the

> past

> > > > > > couple of years. Also, no

> erections

> > without the

> > > > aid of

> > > > > > drugs for the past 12

> > > > > > years or so. I asked my internist

> to

> > test my

> > > > testosterone

> > > > > > level. The results

> > > > > > are: 345 with a standard range of

> > 280-800. My

> > > > doctor is

> > > > > > telling me that my

> > > > > > testosterone levels are within

> normal

> > limits, and

> > > > nothing

> > > > > > to worry about.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I find all the stuff on the

> internet

> > rather

> > > > confusing, but

> > > > > > it sounds like I

> > > > > > should be up around 500-600 at my

> age.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

> have

> > been

> > > > removed]

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> ------------------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

GEls

Shower apply gels wait 2 -3 hours go get blood works done

shots

once a week - draw at day 5

other (EOD, or 2 times weekly) draw on morning of injection and if taking HCG do

not take it day before the injection.

> > > > >

> > > > > > From: Spanky <spankysd@...

> > <spankysd%40gmail.com>

> > > > <spankysd%40gmail.com>>

> > >

> > > > > > Subject: Test Results

> > > > > >

> > < %40>

> > > > < %40>

> > >

> > > > > > Date: Monday, October 4, 2010, 2:12 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > > I'm 53 years old, and healthy, except

> > > > > > that my libido is zero for the past

> > > > > > couple of years. Also, no erections

> > without the

> > > > aid of

> > > > > > drugs for the past 12

> > > > > > years or so. I asked my internist to

> > test my

> > > > testosterone

> > > > > > level. The results

> > > > > > are: 345 with a standard range of

> > 280-800. My

> > > > doctor is

> > > > > > telling me that my

> > > > > > testosterone levels are within normal

> > limits, and

> > > > nothing

> > > > > > to worry about.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I find all the stuff on the internet

> > rather

> > > > confusing, but

> > > > > > it sounds like I

> > > > > > should be up around 500-600 at my age.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

> > been

> > > > removed]

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Is there any reason NOT to mix the various esters?

The reason that I ask is that my MD has not replied to my email asking if I

could split my dose and self inject weekly. Currently, he has me on 200 mg

once per three weeks.

I am waiting to see what happens by week three. I will probably go through

my second dosing cycle, and then get some blood tests prior to deciding. But

based on what I am reading, it sounds like I will probably want to be dosing

myself once per week. I live on the Mexican border, so availability it not a

problem. I can just pop down and inject myself while there. I have not

shopped yet, but I know that Nebido is available, and probably just about

every other brand.

Talking to body builder friends, they seem to like the Sustanon a lot. It

has a combination of four different esters with differing half lives, with

the idea being that the combination makes for a more even delivery. Sustanon

has been around a while, and is manufactured in Mexico by Shering-Plough. In

general, any drug made there is a lot cheaper than imports from the US or

Europe. Another advantage is that the Sustanon comes preloaded in a syringe,

though the dose is 250 mg. I would be throwing half of it away with each

dose.

The Sustanon is about $8 per dose, while the Nebido is about 10 times that.

So, if my MD is dosing me with cypionate, and I decide to introduce another

ester into the mix, are there any particular considerations? For example, is

enthanate counter indicated if you already have cypionate in your blood?

[Guest guest]

I just use Test C have talked to men doing Sustanon in the UK and they don't do

all the great on this. I would have to say builders paved the way for us men on

TRT but most of them ended up on TRT because of the steroids they were doing. I

feel you try things see how they work for you and do what works best. We all

are not the same what is good for you is not good for everyone.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Spanky <spankysd@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: Test Results

>

> Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 4:46 PM

> Is there any reason NOT to mix the

> various esters?

>

> The reason that I ask is that my MD has not replied to my

> email asking if I

> could split my dose and self inject weekly. Currently, he

> has me on 200 mg

> once per three weeks.

>

> I am waiting to see what happens by week three. I will

> probably go through

> my second dosing cycle, and then get some blood tests prior

> to deciding. But

> based on what I am reading, it sounds like I will probably

> want to be dosing

> myself once per week. I live on the Mexican border, so

> availability it not a

> problem. I can just pop down and inject myself while there.

> I have not

> shopped yet, but I know that Nebido is available, and

> probably just about

> every other brand.

>

> Talking to body builder friends, they seem to like the

> Sustanon a lot. It

> has a combination of four different esters with differing

> half lives, with

> the idea being that the combination makes for a more even

> delivery. Sustanon

> has been around a while, and is manufactured in Mexico by

> Shering-Plough. In

> general, any drug made there is a lot cheaper than imports

> from the US or

> Europe. Another advantage is that the Sustanon comes

> preloaded in a syringe,

> though the dose is 250 mg. I would be throwing half of it

> away with each

> dose.

>

> The Sustanon is about $8 per dose, while the Nebido is

> about 10 times that.

>

> So, if my MD is dosing me with cypionate, and I decide to

> introduce another

> ester into the mix, are there any particular

> considerations? For example, is

> enthanate counter indicated if you already have cypionate

> in your blood?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Grrr.... just got the reply from my internist on checking my E2. He doesn't

check estrogen levels in men. Well, at least he has cooperated in giving me

a choice of weekly injections of gel.

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Spanky <spankysd@...> wrote:

> I grateful to have an answer, and to have the options which I do have. Now

> it is just a matter of working out the details.

>

>

> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 7:46 AM, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>wrote:

>

>>

>>

>> Look at it this way a shot every 2 weeks is better then none. Back in the

>> day this is all I could get most of the time it was just uncomfortable not

>> real bad. But today doing my Test C shots every 3 days is great.

>>

>> Co-Moderator

>> Phil

>>

>>

>> > >

>> > > > From: Spanky <spankysd@... <spankysd%40gmail.com>

>> > <spankysd%40gmail.com>>

>>

>> > > > Subject: Re: Re: Test Results

>> > > > < %40>

>> > < %40>

>>

>> > > > Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 4:46 PM

>> > >

>> > > > Is there any reason NOT to mix the

>> > > > various esters?

>> > > >

>> > > > The reason that I ask is that my MD has not

>> > replied to my

>> > > > email asking if I

>> > > > could split my dose and self inject weekly.

>> > Currently, he

>> > > > has me on 200 mg

>> > > > once per three weeks.

>> > > >

>> > > > I am waiting to see what happens by week three. I

>> > will

>> > > > probably go through

>> > > > my second dosing cycle, and then get some blood

>> > tests prior

>> > > > to deciding. But

>> > > > based on what I am reading, it sounds like I will

>> > probably

>> > > > want to be dosing

>> > > > myself once per week. I live on the Mexican

>> > border, so

>> > > > availability it not a

>> > > > problem. I can just pop down and inject myself

>> > while there.

>> > > > I have not

>> > > > shopped yet, but I know that Nebido is available,

>> > and

>> > > > probably just about

>> > > > every other brand.

>> > > >

>> > > > Talking to body builder friends, they seem to

>> > like the

>> > > > Sustanon a lot. It

>> > > > has a combination of four different esters with

>> > differing

>> > > > half lives, with

>> > > > the idea being that the combination makes for a

>> > more even

>> > > > delivery. Sustanon

>> > > > has been around a while, and is manufactured in

>> > Mexico by

>> > > > Shering-Plough. In

>> > > > general, any drug made there is a lot cheaper

>> > than imports

>> > > > from the US or

>> > > > Europe. Another advantage is that the Sustanon

>> > comes

>> > > > preloaded in a syringe,

>> > > > though the dose is 250 mg. I would be throwing

>> > half of it

>> > > > away with each

>> > > > dose.

>> > > >

>> > > > The Sustanon is about $8 per dose, while the

>> > Nebido is

>> > > > about 10 times that.

>> > > >

>> > > > So, if my MD is dosing me with cypionate, and I

>> > decide to

>> > > > introduce another

>> > > > ester into the mix, are there any particular

>> > > > considerations? For example, is

>> > > > enthanate counter indicated if you already have

>> > cypionate

>> > > > in your blood?

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

>> > removed]

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > > ------------------------------------

>> > > >

>> > > >

[Guest guest]

I do tell men there are things that show your levels of Estradiol are high.

1. Sore and hard nipples.

2. No night time or morning wood.

3. ED problems and trouble reaching an orgasm.

4. Sweating all day and night.

5. Brain Fog.

6. BPH and bladder infections.

7. Panic feelins even attacks.

8. A rash on the side of your chest just down from your arm pit and on the back

of your lower legs.

9. Looking Red on your upper body and face.

10. Holding a lot of water.

If you get some Indolpolex/DIM this will get your Estradiol levels down it's

slower then arimidex but works.

http://www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-60-Tablets/12814?at=0

Anyone on TRT should try Natural Pregnenolone Cream

http://www.vitaminusa.com/prbocr2ozbyl.html

Co-Moderator

Phil

> >> > >

> >> > > > From: Spanky <spankysd@...

> <spankysd%40gmail.com>

> >> > <spankysd%40gmail.com>>

> >>

> >> > > > Subject: Re: Re:

> Test Results

> >> > > >

> < %40>

> >> > < %40>

> >>

> >> > > > Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010,

> 4:46 PM

> >> > >

> >> > > > Is there any reason NOT to mix the

> >> > > > various esters?

> >> > > >

> >> > > > The reason that I ask is that my MD

> has not

> >> > replied to my

> >> > > > email asking if I

> >> > > > could split my dose and self inject

> weekly.

> >> > Currently, he

> >> > > > has me on 200 mg

> >> > > > once per three weeks.

> >> > > >

> >> > > > I am waiting to see what happens by

> week three. I

> >> > will

> >> > > > probably go through

> >> > > > my second dosing cycle, and then

> get some blood

> >> > tests prior

> >> > > > to deciding. But

> >> > > > based on what I am reading, it

> sounds like I will

> >> > probably

> >> > > > want to be dosing

> >> > > > myself once per week. I live on the

> Mexican

> >> > border, so

> >> > > > availability it not a

> >> > > > problem. I can just pop down and

> inject myself

> >> > while there.

> >> > > > I have not

> >> > > > shopped yet, but I know that Nebido

> is available,

> >> > and

> >> > > > probably just about

> >> > > > every other brand.

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Talking to body builder friends,

> they seem to

> >> > like the

> >> > > > Sustanon a lot. It

> >> > > > has a combination of four different

> esters with

> >> > differing

> >> > > > half lives, with

> >> > > > the idea being that the combination

> makes for a

> >> > more even

> >> > > > delivery. Sustanon

> >> > > > has been around a while, and is

> manufactured in

> >> > Mexico by

> >> > > > Shering-Plough. In

> >> > > > general, any drug made there is a

> lot cheaper

> >> > than imports

> >> > > > from the US or

> >> > > > Europe. Another advantage is that

> the Sustanon

> >> > comes

> >> > > > preloaded in a syringe,

> >> > > > though the dose is 250 mg. I would

> be throwing

> >> > half of it

> >> > > > away with each

> >> > > > dose.

> >> > > >

> >> > > > The Sustanon is about $8 per dose,

> while the

> >> > Nebido is

> >> > > > about 10 times that.

> >> > > >

> >> > > > So, if my MD is dosing me with

> cypionate, and I

> >> > decide to

> >> > > > introduce another

> >> > > > ester into the mix, are there any

> particular

> >> > > > considerations? For example, is

> >> > > > enthanate counter indicated if you

> already have

> >> > cypionate

> >> > > > in your blood?

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message

> have been

> >> > removed]

> >> > > >

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[Guest guest]

Hi All

Got my test results back yesterday. All clear for Pneumonia and lung cancers so

that is a good sign. Both chest xray and blood work was good. Still getting

sicker so now he is putting me on a steroid to try to knock this out. This is my

MD not my rheumy. He has been great, even calling me in person. I just need some

answers. If this doesnt work I am back to square one. Last night when I was

brushing my teeth I noticed a purple blue tinge to my lips. Never have I seen

that before. Anybody have any ideas. Thanks for all your support through this

and you prayers. They are working.

Wishing everyone a pain free Saturday

CArol

[Guest guest]

Great news about your test results.  Prednisone should do the trick for you. 

It always helps me so much with the mega doses.

 

I am not in the medical field, but I think Blue lips is a sign of low oxygen. 

Have you told your PCP about it?

 

Take care of yourself.  I hope you feel better real soon.

 

Hugs,

 

Barbara