Re: Digest Number 317

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In a message dated 7/23/00 8:38:15 PM Central Daylight Time,

pancreatitisegroups writes:

Vickie, In response to your question--do all drs and medical personnel think

we're

all closet drinkers?? You hit a sore spot with me. I'm sick to death of

being

prejudged before the dr. even hits the doorway to my hospital room. It took

at least

2 years before my endocrinolgist was finally convinced that I don't drink,

and then

it was after my husband spoke up and said something on my behalf.So far I

have

had no problem with judgmental nurses nor problems getting pain meds in a

timely

fashion. But I have truly ran out of patience with gastro docs with an

attitude.

Sondra

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i found this very interesting (especially rule #1) i love the allagory of

basically a wolf in sheeps clothing.. !

>>>>> THE HIIPPOCRATIC OATH ALL DOCTORS SUPPOSEDLY TAKE<<<<<

THE LAW OF HIPPOCRATES

1. Medicine is of all the arts the most noble; but, owing to the

ignorance of those who practice it, and of those who, inconsiderately,

form a judgment of them, it is at present far behind all the other

arts. Their mistake appears to me to arise principally from this, that

in the cities there is no punishment connected with the practice

of medicine (and with it alone) except disgrace, and that does not

hurt those who are familiar with it. Such persons are the figures which

are introduced in tragedies, for as they have the shape, and dress,

and personal appearance of an actor, but are not actors, so also

physicians are many in title but very few in reality.

2. Whoever is to acquire a competent knowledge of medicine, ought to

be possessed of the following advantages: a natural disposition;

instruction; a favorable position for the study; early tuition; love

of labour; leisure. First of all, a natural talent is required; for,

when Nature leads the way to what is most excellent, instruction

in the art takes place, which the student must try to appropriate to

himself by reflection, becoming an early pupil in a place well

adapted for instruction. He must also bring to the task a love of labour

and perseverance, so that the instruction taking root may bring

forth proper and abundant fruits.

3. Instruction in medicine is like the culture of the productions

of the earth. For our natural disposition, is, as it were, the soil;

the tenets of our teacher are, as it were, the seed; instruction in

youth is like the planting of the seed in the ground at the proper

season; the place where the instruction is communicated is like the

food imparted to vegetables by the atmosphere; diligent study is like

the cultivation of the fields; and it is time which imparts strength

to all things and brings them to maturity.

4. Having brought all these requisites to the study of medicine,

and having acquired a true knowledge of it, we shall thus, in travelling

through the cities, be esteemed physicians not only in name but in

reality. But inexperience is a bad treasure, and a bad fund to those

who possess it, whether in opinion or reality, being devoid of

self-reliance and contentedness, and the nurse both of timidity and

audacity. For timidity betrays a want of powers, and audacity a lack

of skill. They are, indeed, two things, knowledge and opinion, of

which the one makes its possessor really to know, the other to be

ignorant.

5. Those things which are sacred, are to be imparted only to sacred

persons; and it is not lawful to impart them to the profane until

they have been initiated into the mysteries of the science.

[End]

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okay im suffering insomnia or madness either one..on long hours again..

heres a site on pain management for patients and thier families.. when

accessing this page go to bottom of first section under picture on left and

youll see the link to the long long list of pain resources.. lots of types of

pain links.. lordy heres an all niter for sure!! <A

HREF= " http://www.hitbox.com/cgi-bin/hitboxFrameset.cgi?http://faculty.washingt

on.edu/crc/ " >HitBox.com</A>

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http://www.hitbox.com/cgi-bin/hitboxFrameset.cgi?http://faculty.washington.edu

/crc/

there is the url.. maybe that way works.. before i spend hours listing the

links- there are over 100 on that page

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while searching citeline.. i came across a board that mentioned a doc some of

you all have talked about.. here is more proof of their abilities.. (dr.

cotton)

Dear WellnessWeb,

I have a friend whose father is in a Hospital in Barcelona (Spain) with

pancreatitis. My friend thinks his father will die because he doesn't see any

improvement. Which are the best hospitals for treatment of pancreatitis?

Thank you, p M. Argil

Dear Concerned Friend,

Pancreatitis can frequently be a very difficult problem to manage. There are

numerous different centers of excellence in the US: Boston at Harvard (

Carlocke MD), South Carolina ( Cotton MD), North Carolina ( MD),

University of Pittsburgh (Adam Slivka MD). There are numerous other experts

in the US & world wide.

Your friend should contact his father's MD and ask for further details

regarding his disease and possible benefit in transfer to a different center

and to a physician who specializes in pancreatic care.

Best success.

Gabbaizadeh, MD, Gastroenterologist

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> In a message dated 7/23/00 8:38:15 PM Central Daylight Time,

> pancreatitisegroups writes:

> Vickie, In response to your question--do all drs and medical

personnel think we're all closet drinkers?? You hit a sore spot with

me. I'm sick to death of being prejudged before the dr. even hits

the doorway to my hospital room. It took at least 2 years before my

endocrinolgist was finally convinced that I don't drink, and then

> it was after my husband spoke up and said something on my behalf.So

far I have had no problem with judgmental nurses nor problems

getting pain meds in a timely fashion. But I have truly ran out of

patience with gastro docs with an attitude.

> Sondra

> <<

> >>

Hello Sondra,

Like you, I do not have any problems with my doctor or any problems

obtaining pain medication, but in 1976 I had an encounter with a very

arrogant radiologist. I was about 24 years old and he embarrassed me

tremendously. I had gone to the hospital to have an ultrasound done

on my pancreas. After the testing, this jerk followed me to the

lobby and he proceeded to tell me that I could never drink again. I

told him that I did not drink, but he would not listen to me. He

repeated himself and added that I could not even drink socially. My

mother was alive at the time and she told him that I did not drink.

He would not even listen to her, so finally I just walked out of the

hospital with him still talking. The kicker was that I had overheard

my doctor tell him over the phone that I did not drink. Also, my

doctor told him that he had never found alcohol in my blood.

My doctor running an alcohol test without discussing it with me

angered me, also, but he did not mean any harm. He was a very

attentive doctor and I believe he did not want to hurt my feelings.

Of course, my health and physician-patient trust is more important to

me than my feelings.

I am sorry that you had such a bad experience and I am glad things

are easier for you now.

Vickie

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okay im suffering insomnia or madness either one

Same for me tonight!

Becky

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Ditto Sondra!

That drinking comment has hit home with me several times. I actually felt

like as soon as the drs " decided " that it was an alcohol related condition

they began acting as though I was not quite as much of an emergency. At the

time I had no idea that it was a major cause in some cases, all I knew is

that EVERYONE that came into my hospital room asked me that same question.

It took my family and friends to convince them that I was not an alcohol

drinker. Heaven forbid that they would believe the patient. I think I burst

their bubbles though-blaming it on alcohol and me would have been a much

easier diagnosis for them-now they had to work! LOL I did however have a

few docs that actually appologized to me when I told them how upset their

accusations had made me.

Take Care!

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I had the same problem..but because of my weird allergies and the backing

of the people that love me I think the two hospitals here know that i was

never a drinker....i tried in college but 2 drinks would have me sick for

days and i was told that i probably had an allergy. I always wished i could

have that beer with the pizza ect...but it was alway coke or pepsi for me.

I go so far as to tell them that I smoked pot a little in college in 1970

but it never went far cause i didnt think there was quality control on the

streets. Back then the professors thought it was cool to turn on the kids.

Anyway when i first got sick here that was the CONSTANT question...are you

a drinker...were you EVER a drinker. They dont ask anymore because they

know me...but it was HARD to get that through the first time.

Lacey

At 07:34 AM 07/24/2000 EDT, you wrote:

>Ditto Sondra!

>That drinking comment has hit home with me several times. I actually felt

>like as soon as the drs " decided " that it was an alcohol related condition

>they began acting as though I was not quite as much of an emergency. At the

>time I had no idea that it was a major cause in some cases, all I knew is

>that EVERYONE that came into my hospital room asked me that same question.

>It took my family and friends to convince them that I was not an alcohol

>drinker. Heaven forbid that they would believe the patient. I think I

burst

>their bubbles though-blaming it on alcohol and me would have been a much

>easier diagnosis for them-now they had to work! LOL I did however have a

>few docs that actually appologized to me when I told them how upset their

>accusations had made me.

>Take Care!

>

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In a message dated 7/23/00 8:38:00 PM Central Daylight Time,

pancreatitisegroups writes:

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Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 20:35:02 -0000

From: flahair2@...

Subject: digests..

is anyone else recieving the digests as attatchements??? i am

getting almost everyonther one in that format and it is so large my

puter wont read it. any ideas on how to stop this process? ilove the

regular digests and i can respond on them but this new method is very

aggravating.. >>

Every time I try to download a digest with attachments , I immediately get

cut off from AOL, plus lose the information to be downloaded! Any ideas?

C.