Re: Second Surgery

[Guest guest]

Dan--

The first day after all this started, I waded through 185 e-mails, many of

which came from lurkers, too. The volume has since continued. So, some of

you need to brave up and post to the list--you've contributed greater insight

than you might believe you could.

I'm happy to see that your emphasis has changed from giving the glory to the

surgeon and the procedure to giving much of the credit to yourself. That's

where the real work happened. What I meant by the protein suppl. analogy was

that it is physically possible to continue to eat mega cals, despite any wls

procedure. Stats show that there are many out there who blame the procedures

for failure as they pop in the chips, ice cream, cake, etc. But then I THINK

that is what you've said. I find that I'm too disappointed in myself when I

rely only on the procedure and not concentrate on my part of the equation. I

need to think enough of myself to not get back into the lapses/relapses

syndrome, as you so aptly put it.

BTW, I love a good debate too--I learn my best lessons from them. Love ya

anyway, fella.

--El

[Guest guest]

Yes, Sue--

All this talk about the distal bypass being the cure-all is scaring me TO

DEATH!! I didn't have a choice, in that my doc warned me that he would do

the SHORTEST bypass possible just to save my life. Does this mean that I'm

going to swell back up to 300# again? I don't think I can live with that.

Should I be already working on a plan to try to convince my doc (when I see

him on Friday) that he should go back in and revise my proximal to a distal?

Or should I be looking for someone else who would revise a 135# proximal?

This is not the news this unhappy camper wants to be dwelling on right now.

Glad I'm not alone.

--El

[Guest guest]

Serious Bob?

How did you put that?--squishy/foamy....I think I'd rather hear about the

cats myself. So, if you curb the carbs and fats, don't eat the red meats,

what DO you eat during the day? Care to provide a sample menu?

--El

[Guest guest]

--They're at it again!!!

[Guest guest]

El Im with you. Im terrified that this isnt forever. Im doing my part but

I too had a very short bypass, I think it was 16 inches. I too had no

choice., My doctor only does one surgery and he was the only one around that

took my pittiful insurance. ( I wasnt even allowed to make up the

difference to make the doctor happy about doing my surgery for me, Long

story I know)

I trying my best to relearn eating and living and so far Im doing ok. I slip

once in a while but at least the stomach aches stop me. I have no bowel

problems (well Im constipated which is a problem a lot) and no gas.

I hope to learn more as I go. Im so scared I will again be 350 pounds some

day. I hope it bever happens, Id rather be dead.

Im sure there are others long term with shorter bypasses arent there? If so

Id love to hear about you. I want to hope Im not doomed to regain

everything 15 years from now. Im only 37 and just started to live.

this weekend I went skiinig for the first time (Well I did ski once 23 years

ago, very unsucessful back then) Im happy to report I didnt fall and had a

blast. Only trouble is all those new muscles talking to me today.

Barb

Lost 149 so far, hoping its forever this time

From: elfeline@...

Reply-To: Graduate-OSSGonelist

To: Graduate-OSSGonelist

Subject: Re: Second Surgery

Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 14:08:36 EST

Yes, Sue--

All this talk about the distal bypass being the cure-all is scaring me TO

DEATH!! I didn't have a choice, in that my doc warned me that he would do

the SHORTEST bypass possible just to save my life. Does this mean that I'm

going to swell back up to 300# again? I don't think I can live with that.

Should I be already working on a plan to try to convince my doc (when I see

him on Friday) that he should go back in and revise my proximal to a distal?

Or should I be looking for someone else who would revise a 135# proximal?

This is not the news this unhappy camper wants to be dwelling on right now.

Glad I'm not alone.

--El

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[Guest guest]

El,

Don't react to everything we say! Everyone is different. The distal works for

many of us and for me. It may not work for you. There are side effects of

the more distal surgery too. You have to do the research and balance the info

and make a decision.

BobA

[Guest guest]

El,

I don't curb the fats. Heres a typical day:

Breakfast:

2 eggs with sausage or bacon (sometimes I make a breakfast dish with eggs

sausage and cheese baked in a pan and cut into squares)

1 bagel (toasted and then I scoop out all the dough and pretty much eat the

crust)

Coffee with nondairy creamer and sweet and low.

I also use a low carb bagel bread that I found in Florida and have shipped

up. Its expensive but not bad and only about 6 grams of CARBS per bagel or

bread. Also the diet bread have fewer CARBS.

Lunch and snacks all day long at work:

turkey/chicken (I stir fry some with onions and mushrooms and warm up at

work) and/or Maybe a cheese sandwich on low carb bread or bagels and/orTuna

or chicken salad. Maybe a small lettuce salad. or

hot dogs (I like the cheese filled ones)

Sugar free Jello or sugar free cookies.

Protein drink

Dinner

salmon/turkey breast or chicken/or shrimp or other fish

mock potatoes (made from cauliflower)

Protein drink

I snack every 2 hours or more on the above foods.

My hobby is cooking. I do all the grocery shopping and most of the cooking at

home. My wife doesn't like to cook. I always loved to cook and thought I

would lose that after the surgery. I haven't. Still love it and try to come

up with lo carb receipts. My idea of relaxing is to go and spend an hour or

two grocery shopping!

BobA

[Guest guest]

El....

I can appreciate the situation you've described. I only know of one

problem person that has countered the effects of WLS and it's as you've

described....a problem of control. But, I do and have seen the

successes of our group here in Atlanta and the ratio is overwhelmingly

successful.

No I do not think that a prudent MD would say that WLS is a cure. I

also do not think that my attorney will tell me up front that " we're

gonna win and win big!! " in any legal fight. The reason is obvious.<G>

There are exceptions to the rule for everything...but, when faced with

statistics, if one discounts the word cure one has to wonder what to put

in it's place. A tool is a good choice because it does put the matter

into perspective...it's up to YOU to succeed given the outline of

successful patterns before you in dietary regimen and exercise.

Will a distal or proximal rny, Fobi pouch or any of the other procedures

become the final answer for anyone's weight control? I think a good

portion of the answer is in the statistics not from the one WLS problem

that I know or the few I've heard about in this and other boards. Do I

think I could put it all back on again? You betcha...but it would be a

major undertaking given the amount of stuff that I can't or won't eat.

I could not...nor would I make a concious attempt at drinking protein

supplements for weight gain...so I could not use that issue as a valid

point of debate. Could I sit down and eat the equal amount of calories

in potato chips? Yes, but someone would have to hold a gun on me along

with a funnel and a ram rod.<G>

I'd like to say I agree with your point of view El...but, I do disagree

as politely as I can. An aspirin is NOT a cure for a headache...but it

works until the reason for the headache is gone. WLS is NOT a cure for

obesity....but, statistically it works until the reaons for personal

obesity is gone. In my case...and I say MY CASE...having lost this much

weight, I do exercise with cardio and weight lifting to A)burn off that

cup of Dannon Lite the night before b)to build up all my muscles to

become more efficient at burning up calories and byproducts.

Soooooo....in the same constraints of the example of the aspirin....yes,

the relief is there until the cure....and with the WLS....I have become

my own cure and much to my relief.

Sooooo....as obesity is systemic to the root of problems of metabolism,

inherent genetic factors and/or out of balance intake to output...if the

WLS provides sufficient time to overcome these factors that cannot be

dealt with at a weight that prevents sufficinet loss to compensate...if

nothing else provides for the immediate weight loss and the subsequent

period of relearning your own dietary requirements than WLS;

imperically, WLS would be considered a " cure. "

I think there are significant success statistics to counter your failure

statistics for both rny and vbg...btw, I had an open rny. I hope you'll

understand that I enjoy a good debate...and you'd not believe the amount

of " fan mail " that hit my box off-list by this huge amount of

" LURKERS!!! " (you know who you are!!) that want to disagree with your

comments in basis to the issues that I've set forth. Please note, that

we all respectifully disagree from this side of the fence;

notwithstanding everyone's opinion and personal experience.

Thanks for the return comments.

Dan

rny 10.13.98

Atlanta

[Guest guest]

Thanks Bob, for all the info--

Maybe you could share a low-carb recipe or two that you've created? Sounds

like you've adapted quite well with this thing. If I ate the amount of fat

that you do, I'd be doubled over all day long. Don't know the cause, I

thought as proximal as I am, I'd be able to handle more of the fat.

I react because of all that I went through to get here, I guess. I don't

want to see that scale at 300# ever again. I like being thin, as we all do,

and I wouldn't trade it for anything. And so I get scared--no petrified--at

the thought of re-gain after all that suffering. And to make matters worse,

my mom sold all my big clothes while I was in the hospital for those 2 yrs so

I could have some $$ while I was out of work on leave without pay. How could

I ever afford to buy them all back? LOLOL

--El

[Guest guest]

Dan--

I'm not downing my wls, believe me, I'd do it all over again in a

heartbeat....yeah, I know, I've said that before. As far as what I want, I

guess I'd honestly have to say that at this point I'm not sure. I went from

a 300# porker all the way down to 125 at my lowest. At 5'7 " , that was way

too low, below the safe BMI for my height. Since the conversion to rny, I've

re-gained a bit back, maybe 10-15# or so, and that has me a bit concerned.

My BMI is approaching normal or is low-normal range at my current weight. I

guess I should be happy and satisfied with that. But my concern is the

gain...I need to see myself stabalizing first and not gaining to be

confident. Til then, I guess I'll keep my heart in my mouth...All this

discussion about the benefits of the distals does have me worried, though.

Thanks again for the insight.

--El

[Guest guest]

BobA said:

>>>I really think that the key to prolonged weight loss

retention is the length of the bypass.

>>>>

this is a scary thought for a proximal and especially a very

short proximal [18 " ] at that.......

I surely hope to stay at goal FOREVER and I know that I must

stay conscious when consuming food for that to happen. I do

not have the added luxury of malabsorption of calories like

a distal.

anyone else with thoughts on this?

Sue in Va.

[Guest guest]

Sue...

The malabsorption of anything is pretty evident in your byproducts...for

lack of a stranger term to begin this little spiel. The content of the

stool is evident, but also...as pointed out to me by surgeon and gastro guys

will be something that was never there before in the bowl after a bowel

movement. You might note a " oil slick " for lack of a better term on top of

the water...which is exactly that, fats or oil that didn't find it's way

into the system. Bile is obvious to the byproducts in the toilet bowl, but

for a quick update on how your bypass past the main absorbing portion of

your small bowel is working....take a look to see if that " oil slick " is

there on the water. It should pose some evidence to you as to the

malabsorption of not only foodstuffs but of fats that a) didn't break down

in the gastric juices (since the stomach is comparmentalized) fats that

missed the chance to be absorbed right below the stomach.

This....ladies and gents is a topic only Mr. Hanky would enjoy

discussing!<G> Good gawd....how do I ever get into talking about such

matters, etc. etc.etc. grumblemoangroan....

Dan

rny 10.13.98

Sue Rudnicki wrote:

>

>

> BobA said:

> >>>I really think that the key to prolonged weight loss

> retention is the length of the bypass.

> >>>>

>

> this is a scary thought for a proximal and especially a very

> short proximal [18 " ] at that.......

> I surely hope to stay at goal FOREVER and I know that I must

> stay conscious when consuming food for that to happen. I do

> not have the added luxury of malabsorption of calories like

> a distal.

> anyone else with thoughts on this?

> Sue in Va.

>

[Guest guest]

I don't know about you, Sue, but I have definitely changed in what I like to

eat, and how I feel about it. I really have no desire to eat the old foods I

used to live off, like candy bars, cookies, anything with chocolate.

Although I won't give up my sugar free blue bunny fudge bars. My surgeon

told me that he can tell by talking with a pre-op it the surgery will work

for them or not. He said it is a certain attitude they display about their

life struggle with obesity. Mine being my certain early death from

complications of uncontrollable diabetes. He is very picky about operating

on younger people because of this. You know they always told us to be

successful at loosing weight we would have to " change our eating habits " and

I truly feel that that is what this surgery did for me. I REALLY have

changed my eating habits. I think you have too.... Jan C. 3-11-98 RNY

Re: Second Surgery

>

>

>

>BobA said:

>>>>I really think that the key to prolonged weight loss

>retention is the length of the bypass.

>>>>>

>

>this is a scary thought for a proximal and especially a very

>short proximal [18 " ] at that.......

>I surely hope to stay at goal FOREVER and I know that I must

>stay conscious when consuming food for that to happen. I do

>not have the added luxury of malabsorption of calories like

>a distal.

>anyone else with thoughts on this?

>Sue in Va.

>

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[Guest guest]

Welll...we can transpose toilet for Cat Box!

I was trying to steer the topic into less than visual components, Bob<G>.

" Squish/foamy Bms " indeed!<G> I've gotten past the " what the hey? " queries

about

why the content of bowel movements are no longer as they once were...it's just

as

they are now. That's just life nowadays...and as you said, a small price to

pay.

Now, one thing that does give me some digestive trouble is " Kitty au

poivre " ...I'm not sure if it's all the pepper....or the hair balls.

(hhaaaaaaaaack!!)(ptoooooo!!)

Dan

raltman813@... wrote:

> From: raltman813@...

>

> Dan,

> You left off the part about the " squishy/foamy " BMs. They aren't always oily,

> but they sure do float nice. Really a very small price to pay for being thin

> and generally healthy. And, it doesn't happen all the time. If I reduce the

> amount of fat intake it gets better...But eating low CARBS and high protein

> also means a lot of fat in cheese and meats. You learn to balance your life

> for once and you learn that you are in control of what you do and what you

> eat.

>

> Look at this - a serious post without mention of a cat! OOPS!

>

> BobA

>

[Guest guest]

Ditto Kiddo....

You'll there...or get back there again. That's why I say...don't wail on

yourself about a lapse...that's temporary...the relapse is the start of

something

to be reckoned with.

I do think a lot of the surgeon that took care of my rny. He's an open type of

guy... opened me right up and I've got the scar to prove it!<G> He's also the

type of MD that said he's confident in his procedure...but only in the open rny

procedure for the time being. He did allow that there have been some Laps that

developed some problems and it's something still being looked into; but

conversely, there are more Laps that performed as expected.

I can only cite by example El....I do tend to rely upon the WLS because it's

still giving me weird reactions here and there. I take those weird reactions as

a red flag to hold on there or at least slow down. It's more than I ever got

post-OptiFast because there was no sign of anything until the clothes started to

fit tight...and by that time, I had already gotten into a vicious loop that was

tough to get out of.

I guess I would pose one last thought in the matter and that is " what do you

expect to take place? " There are some points in which some WLS patients get to

and just don't go anywhere for a long time without a bit of effort. I'm not

more

than 20 pounds from my desired BMI...but I've been there for a while now.

Truthfully, I'm tickled just to see that number so close...because it wasn't

that

long ago...wellllll, we've all been THERE.<G> I met a guy last meeting that has

lost ~250 since rny in April; another fellow that lost over 380# in the past 24

months. Are we ever gonna look like Pierce Brosnan? Possibly not (ladies, I do

have a photo of myself in FILES...so please feel free to tell me that I look

like

SOMEONE; we guys do have those days too!<G>), but given what we were just not

that long ago....it's a whole new set of guys.

The one fellow gave a few sentences about his loss and introduced his wife. The

moderator said " listen to that voice. Do you know..the first time he came in

this office, I didn't think he could speak...and never heard him speak until 1

year post op! He came in here with his head hung down low and not able to look

anyone in the eye. Now we can't get him to shut up!! " <G>

I'm not sure of the starting weight for that guy....but after losing +380#, he's

still got a ways to go...but, it's a weight he can see in the short term.

Before, as evidence to his not being able to look anyone in the eye...he was

just

barely existing day to day, morally and physically. I guess it's all relative

El. But some of these WLS stories are remarkable in what they did for someone

that was mortally-morbidly obese and how they applied themselves once they hit a

weight that they could do just that...apply themselves. Heck, I hadn't worked

out since 1971 when I graduated high school and now I'm there every other

day...and I miss it if I miss a workout. As for the effects of WLS....I do

something that I know BARB in KANSAS is reading and laughing about even as she

reads this<G>....when I feel that WLS no longer works for me, I eat a bowl of

" Raisin Nut Bran " with 2% milk...about 10 minutes later, it's sofa city because

I'm out for the count with elevated heart rate and an overwhelming need to sleep

it off.<G> But...when I wake up, I know that I've still got that ability to

fall

out with the least amount of sugar input (if you could call that least

amount<G>).

Soooo...there's a test every so often, and I take it just to reassure myself. I

know what puts me on the floor...perhaps yours is just out of reach, but once

you

hit it...WHAMMMO! There are worse ways to spend a rainy afternoon!<G>

Good luck and thanks for the commentary. Take care.

Dan

(pseudo Pierce Brosnan look alike)

(emphassis on pseudo!!)<G>

elfeline@... wrote:

> From: elfeline@...

>

> Dan--

>

> The first day after all this started, I waded through 185 e-mails, many of

> which came from lurkers, too. The volume has since continued. So, some of

> you need to brave up and post to the list--you've contributed greater insight

> than you might believe you could.

>

> I'm happy to see that your emphasis has changed from giving the glory to the

> surgeon and the procedure to giving much of the credit to yourself. That's

> where the real work happened. What I meant by the protein suppl. analogy was

> that it is physically possible to continue to eat mega cals, despite any wls

> procedure. Stats show that there are many out there who blame the procedures

> for failure as they pop in the chips, ice cream, cake, etc. But then I THINK

> that is what you've said. I find that I'm too disappointed in myself when I

> rely only on the procedure and not concentrate on my part of the equation. I

> need to think enough of myself to not get back into the lapses/relapses

> syndrome, as you so aptly put it.

>

> BTW, I love a good debate too--I learn my best lessons from them. Love ya

> anyway, fella.

> --El

>

[Guest guest]

Bob...

It's obvious you're not getting enough Cat in your diet. I don't see the first

item dealing with Feline in your dietary regimen... WOT GIVES?<G>

Dan

raltman813@... wrote:

> From: raltman813@...

>

> El,

>

> I don't curb the fats. Heres a typical day:

> Breakfast:

> 2 eggs with sausage or bacon (sometimes I make a breakfast dish with eggs

> sausage and cheese baked in a pan and cut into squares)

> 1 bagel (toasted and then I scoop out all the dough and pretty much eat the

> crust)

> Coffee with nondairy creamer and sweet and low.

> I also use a low carb bagel bread that I found in Florida and have shipped

> up. Its expensive but not bad and only about 6 grams of CARBS per bagel or

> bread. Also the diet bread have fewer CARBS.

>

> Lunch and snacks all day long at work:

> turkey/chicken (I stir fry some with onions and mushrooms and warm up at

> work) and/or Maybe a cheese sandwich on low carb bread or bagels and/orTuna

> or chicken salad. Maybe a small lettuce salad. or

> hot dogs (I like the cheese filled ones)

> Sugar free Jello or sugar free cookies.

> Protein drink

>

> Dinner

> salmon/turkey breast or chicken/or shrimp or other fish

> mock potatoes (made from cauliflower)

> Protein drink

>

> I snack every 2 hours or more on the above foods.

>

> My hobby is cooking. I do all the grocery shopping and most of the cooking at

> home. My wife doesn't like to cook. I always loved to cook and thought I

> would lose that after the surgery. I haven't. Still love it and try to come

> up with lo carb receipts. My idea of relaxing is to go and spend an hour or

> two grocery shopping!

>

> BobA

>

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Bob,

Cat. The other RED meat.

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Thanks,

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Re: Second Surgery

> From: raltman813@...

>

> El,

>

> Red meat makes me barf! I can eat a little ground beef but roast, steak,

> etc., makes me ill. I just don't digest it well. I really have lost my

taste

> for it. I've also lost my taste for other things like Chinese food. I used

to

> eat it several times a month and now I rarely eat it. Just don't like it

> anymore. Weird!

>

> BobA

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[Guest guest]

Bob thinks cats are in the fish family because he tosses them in the

pool for swimming! (I overheard him tellin' this to Dan)

Trish

>

>

>Bob,

>Cat. The other RED meat.

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Bob... what do you cook for your wife Ellen? Does she low carb

too? Also, what is the site for the low carb bread? I ordered some

low carb bread mix but haven't received it yet... might be the same

site.

Trish

>From: raltman813@...

>

>El,

>

>I don't curb the fats. Heres a typical day:

>Breakfast:

>2 eggs with sausage or bacon (sometimes I make a breakfast dish with eggs

>sausage and cheese baked in a pan and cut into squares)

>1 bagel (toasted and then I scoop out all the dough and pretty much eat the

>crust)

>Coffee with nondairy creamer and sweet and low.

>I also use a low carb bagel bread that I found in Florida and have shipped

>up. Its expensive but not bad and only about 6 grams of CARBS per bagel or

>bread. Also the diet bread have fewer CARBS.

>

>Lunch and snacks all day long at work:

>turkey/chicken (I stir fry some with onions and mushrooms and warm up at

>work) and/or Maybe a cheese sandwich on low carb bread or bagels and/orTuna

>or chicken salad. Maybe a small lettuce salad. or

>hot dogs (I like the cheese filled ones)

>Sugar free Jello or sugar free cookies.

>Protein drink

>

>Dinner

>salmon/turkey breast or chicken/or shrimp or other fish

>mock potatoes (made from cauliflower)

>Protein drink

>

>I snack every 2 hours or more on the above foods.

>

>My hobby is cooking. I do all the grocery shopping and most of the cooking at

>home. My wife doesn't like to cook. I always loved to cook and thought I

>would lose that after the surgery. I haven't. Still love it and try to come

>up with lo carb receipts. My idea of relaxing is to go and spend an hour or

>two grocery shopping!

>

>BobA

>

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[Guest guest]

>

>

>

>BobA said:

>>>>I really think that the key to prolonged weight loss

>retention is the length of the bypass.

>>>>>

>

>this is a scary thought for a proximal and especially a very

>short proximal [18 " ] at that.......

>I surely hope to stay at goal FOREVER and I know that I must

>stay conscious when consuming food for that to happen. I do

>not have the added luxury of malabsorption of calories like

>a distal.

>anyone else with thoughts on this?

>Sue in Va.

>

>

I do ) I think the distal is more important for people like me... a

hard core food addict... It seems to me that if you were able to get

the weight off as a poximal & the weight has been stable doing what

you are comfortable doing with food , I don't see why the weight

wouldn't stay off. I don't think everybody needs a distal. I may

be wrong, but thats what I think now.

[Guest guest]

El,

One thing I forgot to add: Even though I eat about 50-60% of my calories from

fat I have a cholesterol level of 118 and my triglycerides are 72. When I was

obese those numbers were off the charts. My LDL/HDL ratio is outstanding and

my PCP is thrilled. Add all that to the loss of the diabetes, sleep apnea,

gout, edema, etc. Like I keep saying: What A Country! Even with cats!

BobA

[Guest guest]

Dan,

Let's see, 1 gram of cat equals 9 calories...furballs at 11!

BobA

[Guest guest]

Tell me if someone finds a good tasting low-carb bread because I have had no

luck

Re: Second Surgery

>

>

> Hey Bob... what do you cook for your wife Ellen? Does she low carb

> too? Also, what is the site for the low carb bread? I ordered some

> low carb bread mix but haven't received it yet... might be the same

> site.

> Trish

>

> >From: raltman813@...

> >

> >El,

> >

> >I don't curb the fats. Heres a typical day:

> >Breakfast:

> >2 eggs with sausage or bacon (sometimes I make a breakfast dish with eggs

> >sausage and cheese baked in a pan and cut into squares)

> >1 bagel (toasted and then I scoop out all the dough and pretty much eat

the

> >crust)

> >Coffee with nondairy creamer and sweet and low.

> >I also use a low carb bagel bread that I found in Florida and have

shipped

> >up. Its expensive but not bad and only about 6 grams of CARBS per bagel

or

> >bread. Also the diet bread have fewer CARBS.

> >

> >Lunch and snacks all day long at work:

> >turkey/chicken (I stir fry some with onions and mushrooms and warm up at

> >work) and/or Maybe a cheese sandwich on low carb bread or bagels

and/orTuna

> >or chicken salad. Maybe a small lettuce salad. or

> >hot dogs (I like the cheese filled ones)

> >Sugar free Jello or sugar free cookies.

> >Protein drink

> >

> >Dinner

> >salmon/turkey breast or chicken/or shrimp or other fish

> >mock potatoes (made from cauliflower)

> >Protein drink

> >

> >I snack every 2 hours or more on the above foods.

> >

> >My hobby is cooking. I do all the grocery shopping and most of the

cooking at

> >home. My wife doesn't like to cook. I always loved to cook and thought I

> >would lose that after the surgery. I haven't. Still love it and try to

come

> >up with lo carb receipts. My idea of relaxing is to go and spend an hour

or

> >two grocery shopping!

> >

> >BobA

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[Guest guest]

Not to worry. I think squishy/foamy is a distal thing. For those who are

lucky enough to even MAKE deposits. Sigh. Maybe I should munch some cat

toenails or something.

And you east coast distals still have a stomach, so you're getting

digestions, just lousy absorption. I don't get either. I ought to be

squishy/foamy and oil slick city. But no. I just wish 'n hope. And

thought my repair would send me running for a year!

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Re: Second Surgery

> From: elfeline@...

>

> Serious Bob?

>

> How did you put that?--squishy/foamy....I think I'd rather hear about the

> cats myself. So, if you curb the carbs and fats, don't eat the red meats,

> what DO you eat during the day? Care to provide a sample menu?

> --El

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[Guest guest]

Bob from Mass. or Sog here,

I don't know if I'm in the same boat or not I knew nothing about this operation

either when I had it, my primary Doc. told me the idea so I went to Dr. Forse

in Boston and am very happy with over it. He done 48 inches I think that's

between long and short but am not sure. I am scared also at the same time I

don't think I would want the very distal because I wonder about getting older

and all the malabsorbtion. But It will be three years in June and so far It's

been going good. However I still eat to fast and tend not to stop when I should

and that translates to compulsive overeating and I am scared of the future

because I don't seem to have much control over it. This is a very good thread I

feel very strongly that If anything is going to do any good it will be by way of

the fellowship in these internet groups. I feel that this one is my primary

group

Bob (Sog)

Re: Second Surgery

> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 14:08:36 EST

>

> Yes, Sue--

>

> All this talk about the distal bypass being the cure-all is scaring me TO

> DEATH!! I didn't have a choice, in that my doc warned me that he would do

> the SHORTEST bypass possible just to save my life. Does this mean that I'm

> going to swell back up to 300# again? I don't think I can live with that.

> Should I be already working on a plan to try to convince my doc (when I see

> him on Friday) that he should go back in and revise my proximal to a distal?

> Or should I be looking for someone else who would revise a 135# proximal?

> This is not the news this unhappy camper wants to be dwelling on right now.

> Glad I'm not alone.

> --El

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