Guest guest Posted September 7, 2004 Report Share Posted September 7, 2004 Some of the REALLY busy " big guys " cut that even shorter. At LAPD we didn't do it in that two-stage manner. As long as the frequency wasn't in use, a unit would simply call in " 1Adam-11, traffic stop 1st & Main " and the operator would acknowledge " 1Adam-11 " (ALWAYS identifying who you're replying to... occasionally two units will unknowingly transmit at once, and if you simply say " roger " or " 10-4 " they'll both think they've been heard. Could be nasty.) Having said that, our radio operators generally had no other simultaneous duties, such as answering phones, so were always assumed to be ready for incoming radio traffic. For longer messages, such as running suspects or giving crime broadcasts, it was " 17X66, request frequency for a crime broadcast " " Devonshire units stand by, 17X66 go ahead " hm On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 23:33:54 -0700 (PDT), thepilot21 wrote: > , > Always the one to say look at the big guys and find > out how they do it, I would point out that nearly > every large police department I've ever listened to > uses that format. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2004 Report Share Posted September 7, 2004 I can't offer much input here, except to suggest going to whoever is wanting to put this policy into place and ask them why? It really doesn't make much sense, unless you are really having a problem with excess radio traffic covering others etc... I've found a very good rule to follow is..... If it ain't broke... don't fix it.... Looks to me like someone saw this on tv and thought it was cool.... Silly. Weintraut > " Fluvanna to 109 " < Although I hate the word *to* in that broadcast. (grin) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2004 Report Share Posted September 7, 2004 Agreed, that is silly. That will cut down on radio traffic like me just saying " 9-1 " instead of " 9-1-1 " . It's not worth it and will screw up communications thus leading to excessive communications. Jim Mr 911 TriCom .. .. > I can't offer much input here, except to suggest going to > whoever is wanting to put this policy into place and ask > them why? > > It really doesn't make much sense, unless you are really having > a problem with excess radio traffic covering others etc... > > I've found a very good rule to follow is..... > > If it ain't broke... don't fix it.... > > Looks to me like someone saw this on tv and thought > it was cool.... > > Silly. > > Weintraut > > > " Fluvanna to 109 " < > > Although I hate the word *to* in that broadcast. (grin) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2004 Report Share Posted September 7, 2004 > <Most transmissions are ended with the famous " K " ( " one-seven to > central K " ). There is lot's of folklore about the meaning of K, but nobody > knows for sure.> This is the way it was explained to me. From my web page: WHAT DOES THE LETTER K MEAN? K The use of the letter K is a holdover from the days of telegraph. It was sent at the end of a transmission to indicate that I am finished sending and I await your reply. Of course, traditions don't last and the new people just don't get it K. Lately, instead of using it at the end of a transmission, they use it at the end of a sentence K. Every sentence K. Raffa Supv. Dispatcher, FDNY Borough of Brooklyn Fire Capitol of the World www.FDNewYork.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2004 Report Share Posted September 7, 2004 ... <Most transmissions are ended with the famous " K " ( " one-seven to central K " ). There is lot's of folklore about the meaning of K, but nobody knows for sure.> Ya know, that has become a much used item down here. We have a gated community in the county that has drawn a huge number of New Yorkas to our small southern county. Quite a few of the volunteer fire and EMS folks fall into this category and they can't seem to break the habit. Always gets me laughing when they do that! The assistant chief for the volunteer fire company in that area is a retired NYPD lieutenant and retired volly chief from NYC. He has the hardest time with that. I think Richie does it just to give me a chuckle. Thanks for all of the advice folks. It's always good to hear how others do things to analyze yourself sometimes. -- Firefighter Specialist/EMT-ST Communications Support Group Charlottesville, VA Fire Dept. www.cfdonline.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2004 Report Share Posted September 7, 2004 I think it's short for " Okay " . Re: 911:: Seeking input ... <Most transmissions are ended with the famous " K " ( " one-seven to central K " ). There is lot's of folklore about the meaning of K, but nobody knows for sure.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 <snipped> > Of course, traditions don't last and the new people just don't get it K. > Lately, instead of using it at the end of a transmission, they use it at the end > of a sentence K. Every sentence K. Is that somewhat akin to the stark-raving runaway use of the word " copy " or the expression " gonna-be " that has taken hold in California, perhaps elsewhere? I believe I've posted this URL here... to an otherwise OK pursuit, but where the dispatcher began virtually every transmission with an irrelevant and extraneous " copy " Listen to http://harrymarnell.com/rpd-pursuit.mp3 And even more grating to my ears is the " gonna-be " every ten syllables. " 2Adam 12 is gonna-be on traffic, on 3rd Street, gonna-be west of Rampart, plate is gonna-be ABC123. " Or even better, " A 211 (robbery) just occcurred, suspect is gonna-be a male white, vehicle is gonna-be a blue Ford, property taken is gonna-be $100, weapon is gonna-be a blue-steel handgun. " I want to shout at them, " If the guy is GONNA BE a male white, when will that happen, and what was he when the crime occurred? " Sorry. Just had to vent. Are either of those habits gonna-be spreading beyond the Golden State? Copy? K? harry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 >The use of the letter K is a holdover from the days of telegraph. It was sent >at the end of a transmission to indicate that I am finished sending and I >await your reply. You see what I mean? So far three explanations were posted; everybody has a story about K. 's is the most common, but consider this. The NYPD never used telegraphs for dispatch, and the first mobile radios were receive only (1932). The department was not fully two-way until 1950. So I always wondered how a telegraph procedure could become so imbedded? >Of course, traditions don't last and the new people just don't get it K. >Lately, instead of using it at the end of a transmission, they use it at >the end >of a sentence K. Every sentence K. Right, I forgot that. It is pretty funny. Now, how much air-time would be saved by issuing a protocol prohibiting K? But if we did that, nobody could talk; now that would definitely save time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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