Re: My son is LOADED with mercury!!! (warning: long post)

March 7, 2003

Yes Bill. Chelating is the right thing to do for your child. Low and slow

is the way to go. Stay away from high doses, give him lots of water and

antioxidants to protect the brain, and start with every 4 hours. Most

people do 3 day cycles--sometimes 3 days on, 4 off, or 3 days on, 11 off.

IMO leaving the mercury in is far worse than carefully and prayerfully

taking it out.

Barb

[ ] My son is LOADED with mercury!!! (warning: long

post)

> Hi all,

>

> I'd like to share with you all my experience. I've a 2 years old

> child that have very high mercury levels. The first hair analysis is

> done by Interclinical Laboratories in Sydney (Australia). The actual

> Lab that does the analysis is Trace Element Incorporated in Texas.

> The levels for mercury are 14.2ppm. The Reference range they used

> for adults is 0-1.8ppm. The date of analysis is 04/Feb/03.

>

> With such high levels, we don't need the counting rules to know that

> he's quite chronically poisoned. I rushed for an appointment with

> our local GP, and since then many other MD and their reaction is

> mostly dis-believe and actually tried to shy away from the problem.

> Most blamed how hair analysis is not a conventional medicine

> analysis, and how they never heard of the laboratory, to even how

> easily hair is subject to contamination! (I don't see how mercury

> could JUST HAPPENS to be there btw).

>

> Having read a lot of articles on mercury toxicity before my amalgam

> removal as well as joining this group for months. It seems like most

> doctors are not well educated for this sort of things (in fact

> they're down right ignorant) I've talked to a close friend who's a

> doctor and he admitted that mercury poisoning was never taught in

> the Med school and he didn't know what to do.

>

> Not letting the doctors to just brush the case aside and having to

> re-confirm with a source that they all know and wouldn't be a scam

> to " rob me off " that type of advice. I did a re-test this time with

> the " Australian Government Analytical Laboratories " (AGAL). I

> thought to myself even though they might not have the most sensitive

> equipment but if my son's mercury levels were that high, they surely

> can detect something. The results done on 10/Feb/03 showed that it

> is 11mg/kg of hair. Which I've been told is approximately 11ppm.

> Which is still way way too high. It seems that the chemical

> engineers (doctorates) there knows more about the symtoms and

> lethalness of mercury poisoning than medical doctors.

>

> I've read about how you can't really detect mercury in blood (in

> chronic cases) but I went ahead and did a blood & urine test for my

> son. The results are:

>

> 158nmol/L in blood (Reference range is <60 for adults!) and the

> urine results are 9nmol/mmol (reference range is <6 for adults). So

> the blood levels are really high. I don't know what to make of it

> really as I thought chronic cases can't be detected in blood!

>

> So armed with these results, it's another round of challenge with

> the doctors. I've seen 2 consultant paediatrician, both from the

> westmead children's hospital. First one runs a toxicological ward in

> the hospital. Right from the start I can tell he's not going to do

> anything or prescribe anything to him. He basically says that with

> reference ranges, it's collected from a group of people and some of

> them will have higher levels while others have lower levels. I've

> done some statistical studies back in the days of uni and basically

> he's telling me that my son is a statistical outlier! He's also

> saying that to have any significant impact (life threatening I guess

> by his means) it'll have to be hundreds or thousands of times over

> the reference range. Which basically means that he'll only be

> treating badly acute cases and anything chronic is not worth his

> bother. He did do a routine examination of him and " hammer his

> joints " , listen to chest, eyes etc. But I said to him what about his

> increasingly aggressive behaviour problems. (been hitting people and

> getting worse and worse) having body rashes very frequently in

> random parts of his body, yeast problems, extremely frequent

> sickness, irritability, insomnia, increasingly allegic and

> asthmatic, complaints of tummy pain and ear aches, forgetfulness,

> and symptoms of regression. Well basically him and other doctors

> believe these are only symtoms of normal 2yrs old and nothing more

> to worry about and send us home. The other doctor actually pulled

> out a text book and looked up mercury poisoning with the symtoms

> (acute I guess) being nausea/vomitting, pink puffy fingers (guess

> they learnt it from the " pink disease " in the 1950s when children

> were poisoned by mercury teething powders). Anyway, with no

> systematic symtoms he closed the book, muttered amen and send us

> home also. Being parents I certainly felt there have been some

> drastic changes in the last few months of my child and recently even

> regressed a bit. A lot are subtle changes through time which I doubt

> the doctors can detect within the half hour of appointment with him.

>

> I can't believe all the doctors I've seen can just close the door on

> my child's future. Surely they'd have read the recent article about

> mercury poisoning in children in Hong Kong, the research says that

> damage done won't be immediate but will show when he gets to 8years

> old. I thought the paediatricians will know better about the

> neurological damage that could have occurred to young children with

> heavy metal poisoning. But no, they just want to cover their ass

> since DMSA is so rarely used in Australia, they don't want to take

> the risk and if something happens to my child in 6 years time, they

> can't be blamed cause the link is low but if my child had an adverse

> reaction with DMSA, they're too afraid that they'd be sued. They

> just don't have the guts to prescribe it.

>

> There's a ray of hope when I went back to the doctor who gave me

> DMSA after amalgam removal. When I went to him first he said he

> hadn't given DMSA to children before and don't know the protocol and

> just doesn't want to do it but instead gave him some supplements

> such as kyolic and chorella. Now since he's the only doctor I know

> of having used DMSA at all I hassle and literally begged him and he

> talked to someone who's done the children's protocol. (DMSA is

> extremely hard to get in Australia apparently). We waited for the

> 100mg of DMSA to arrive and finally got it today. Now that I've got

> it, both my wife and I are a bit afraid. Since I got it from the

> doctor who haven't done it on young kids he didn't know what to

> expect and I didn't know what to expect either. So I needed your

> support. Is this the right thing to do to my child?

>

> Also If anyone knows of a doctor who've done chelation on young

> children in Sydney Australia here please let me know as I'd like to

> follow up my son with someone who've done this on children so I can

> talk to them about my concerns (such as how it might affect his

> kidneys and liver) and whether I need on going monitering on those

> vital organs.

>

> As a side note it turns out that my whole family is mercury toxic

> (from hair analysis) with my pregnant wife the 2nd highest after my

> son. I really do pray that the child in the womb is okay. I'm having

> my whole house checked out on Monday by an occupational hygenist

> who've got a mercury sniffer. I wish I can find out the source of

> contamination. (hopefully it's not the house since we only moved in

> 7-8 months).

>

> Thanks for reading my long post.

>

> Bill from Sydney.

>

> =======================================================

>

March 7, 2003

Hello Bill,

> I'd like to share with you all my experience. I've a 2 years old

> child that have very high mercury levels. The first hair analysis

is

> done by Interclinical Laboratories in Sydney (Australia). The

actual

> Lab that does the analysis is Trace Element Incorporated in Texas.

> The levels for mercury are 14.2ppm. The Reference range they used

> for adults is 0-1.8ppm. The date of analysis is 04/Feb/03.

>

> With such high levels, we don't need the counting rules to know

that

> he's quite chronically poisoned.

that's correct.

I rushed for an appointment with

> our local GP, and since then many other MD and their reaction is

> mostly dis-believe and actually tried to shy away from the

problem.

right, which tells you right away that they will not be helpful.

> I've read about how you can't really detect mercury in blood (in

> chronic cases) but I went ahead and did a blood & urine test for

my

> son. The results are:

>

> 158nmol/L in blood (Reference range is <60 for adults!) and the

> urine results are 9nmol/mmol (reference range is <6 for adults).

So

> the blood levels are really high. I don't know what to make of it

> really as I thought chronic cases can't be detected in blood!

I'm kinda concerned about this. Blood level generally indicates

recent exposure. The only other thing it would be is if your

child is detoxing some stored mercury (which is possible).

My concern is whether there is a source of ongoing exposure.

If so, you need to find it and eliminate it. The urine level

is a more direct measure of what is leaving the body.

(Hair is better measure of accumulated exposure, at least

for those people with normal mineral transport.)

>

> So armed with these results, it's another round of challenge with

> the doctors. I've seen 2 consultant paediatrician, both from the

> westmead children's hospital. First one runs a toxicological ward

in

> the hospital. Right from the start I can tell he's not going to do

> anything or prescribe anything to him.

Well, it sounds like you can save yourself a LOT of frustration

by skipping this route and not arguing with the doctors.

He basically says that with

> reference ranges, it's collected from a group of people and some

of

> them will have higher levels while others have lower levels. I've

> done some statistical studies back in the days of uni and

basically

> he's telling me that my son is a statistical outlier! He's also

> saying that to have any significant impact (life threatening I

guess

> by his means) it'll have to be hundreds or thousands of times over

> the reference range.

he is incorrect. I'm not sure at what level it is " life

threatening " , but I'm certain that you and I and most people

would consider it " a real problem " far far before that level.

Anyway, with no

> systematic symtoms he closed the book, muttered amen and send us

> home also.

I'd say you have PLENTY of evidence that discussion with this

doctor is a poor investment of your time.

> I can't believe all the doctors I've seen can just close the door

on

> my child's future. Surely they'd have read the recent article

about

> mercury poisoning in children in Hong Kong,

I missed this one!

> Now since he's the only doctor I know

> of having used DMSA at all I hassle and literally begged him and

he

> talked to someone who's done the children's protocol. (DMSA is

> extremely hard to get in Australia apparently). We waited for the

> 100mg of DMSA to arrive and finally got it today.

If you wish, you can find sources of non-prescription DMSA here:

/files/HOW_TO_buy_DMSA

Check with VRP to see if they can ship to Australia. (It varies

for different countries, but they do ship to wherever they can.)

Now that I've got

> it, both my wife and I are a bit afraid. Since I got it from the

> doctor who haven't done it on young kids he didn't know what to

> expect and I didn't know what to expect either. So I needed your

> support. Is this the right thing to do to my child?

I suggest that you read this list, and some of the FILES here,

until you are reasonably confident that you are doing something

that is sane and reasonable. I DO NOT mean that you need to

wait until you are not " nervous " . I think a certain level of

fear is a given for most of us. But it is quite possible to

have a clear idea about the protocol you'll use, what to

expect, and that MANY MANY parents have gone before you will

this course of action. I do feel some ambivilence about the

suggestions I've just made, since I do think that chelation

is likely to make a world of difference for your child, and

starting sooner is " better " . It may be that you've already

read enough, and what you have now is " just " being nervous.

But if you really are in a place of not knowing what to do

or how, then read and discuss it intensively for a couple

of weeks. And post questions here.

>

> Also If anyone knows of a doctor who've done chelation on young

> children in Sydney Australia here please let me know as I'd like

to

> follow up my son with someone who've done this on children so I

can

> talk to them about my concerns (such as how it might affect his

> kidneys and liver) and whether I need on going monitering on those

> vital organs.

<sigh> Well, I do know of a doctor in Australia (I don't recall

where) who " does chelation " . But I don't feel particularly

prone to recommending him. Write me privately if you want and

I'll see if I can fine his contact info.

As for how it will affect liver and kidneys to chelate:

it is somewhat stressful. Milk thistle is recommended as a

regular ongoing supplement. (It is good for liver).

Also, DMSA is stressful to liver where ALA is NOT. (ALA is

actually good for the liver.)

Also, using Andy's recommended dose and dose timing will

greatly reduce the amount of stress (both from the chelaiton

agents and from mercury). This is about SLOW detoxification.

I would personally be VERY reluctant to use ALA in your case,

since it appears that there is likely ongoing exposure.

>

> As a side note it turns out that my whole family is mercury toxic

> (from hair analysis) with my pregnant wife the 2nd highest after

my

> son. I really do pray that the child in the womb is okay. I'm

having

> my whole house checked out on Monday by an occupational hygenist

> who've got a mercury sniffer. I wish I can find out the source of

> contamination.

good. Might want to check the water too.

best,

Moria

March 7, 2003

Hi Bill,

Does the mom still breastfeed your child? The only source of mercury

I can imagine is the breast milk if the mother has amalgams, or it

looks like you have mercury in your house.

Margaret

--- In , " mycowbells " <mycowbells@h...>

wrote:

> Hi all,

>

> I'd like to share with you all my experience. I've a 2 years old

> child that have very high mercury levels. The first hair analysis

is

> done by Interclinical Laboratories in Sydney (Australia). The

actual

> Lab that does the analysis is Trace Element Incorporated in Texas.

> The levels for mercury are 14.2ppm. The Reference range they used

> for adults is 0-1.8ppm. The date of analysis is 04/Feb/03.

>

> With such high levels, we don't need the counting rules to know

that

> he's quite chronically poisoned. I rushed for an appointment with

> our local GP, and since then many other MD and their reaction is

> mostly dis-believe and actually tried to shy away from the problem.

> Most blamed how hair analysis is not a conventional medicine

> analysis, and how they never heard of the laboratory, to even how

> easily hair is subject to contamination! (I don't see how mercury

> could JUST HAPPENS to be there btw).

>

> Having read a lot of articles on mercury toxicity before my amalgam

> removal as well as joining this group for months. It seems like

most

> doctors are not well educated for this sort of things (in fact

> they're down right ignorant) I've talked to a close friend who's a

> doctor and he admitted that mercury poisoning was never taught in

> the Med school and he didn't know what to do.

>

> Not letting the doctors to just brush the case aside and having to

> re-confirm with a source that they all know and wouldn't be a scam

> to " rob me off " that type of advice. I did a re-test this time with

> the " Australian Government Analytical Laboratories " (AGAL). I

> thought to myself even though they might not have the most

sensitive

> equipment but if my son's mercury levels were that high, they

surely

> can detect something. The results done on 10/Feb/03 showed that it

> is 11mg/kg of hair. Which I've been told is approximately 11ppm.

> Which is still way way too high. It seems that the chemical

> engineers (doctorates) there knows more about the symtoms and

> lethalness of mercury poisoning than medical doctors.

>

> I've read about how you can't really detect mercury in blood (in

> chronic cases) but I went ahead and did a blood & urine test for my

> son. The results are:

>

> 158nmol/L in blood (Reference range is <60 for adults!) and the

> urine results are 9nmol/mmol (reference range is <6 for adults). So

> the blood levels are really high. I don't know what to make of it

> really as I thought chronic cases can't be detected in blood!

>

> So armed with these results, it's another round of challenge with

> the doctors. I've seen 2 consultant paediatrician, both from the

> westmead children's hospital. First one runs a toxicological ward

in

> the hospital. Right from the start I can tell he's not going to do

> anything or prescribe anything to him. He basically says that with

> reference ranges, it's collected from a group of people and some of

> them will have higher levels while others have lower levels. I've

> done some statistical studies back in the days of uni and basically

> he's telling me that my son is a statistical outlier! He's also

> saying that to have any significant impact (life threatening I

guess

> by his means) it'll have to be hundreds or thousands of times over

> the reference range. Which basically means that he'll only be

> treating badly acute cases and anything chronic is not worth his

> bother. He did do a routine examination of him and " hammer his

> joints " , listen to chest, eyes etc. But I said to him what about

his

> increasingly aggressive behaviour problems. (been hitting people

and