Re: I need a leg to stand on...organics rant

[Guest guest]

" Dana " <daydayjoe@y...> wrote:

> We had quite the argument tonight about, of all things, switching

to

> organic milk

Dana,

I'm not a big fan of organic foods. A typical American's ordered

list of healthy eating priorities would look something like:

Cut down on the amount of food

Avoid really bad foods

Prepare foods in a more healthy manner (less fried)

Eat more healthy foods

Design diet based on individual requirements

Improve quality of food chosen

In other words, the benefits of eating commercially grown broccoli

are real. The benefit of french frying organic french fries in pure

peanut oil are dubious.

Next, organic growers do not have to follow the same guidelines for

food purity as normal growers. Why? Because the processes that

allow our food supply to be clean are not " organic " while the

materials they eradicate or remove are. Fecal matter, rat hairs,

insect larvae, microorganisms- all organic.

From a cost effectiveness standpoint, you would probably help your

child more by sending extra money you'd spend on organic to a liver

research foundation. If he doesn't have cirrhosis yet, that means he

can still benefit from a cure.

Sorry to unload but this is one of those subjects that set me off.

With the exception of small populations constantly exposed to truly

bad actors, the health impact of modern chemistry has been

overwhelmingly positive. Science is not a bad thing.

Remember, the baby boom generation will live longer than any before

them yet their childhood coincides with at time when DDT was sprayed

at drive-ins to keep the bugs down. Imagine what a decent flea and

tick collar would have done to the black plague ;-)

On the other hand, if you raise it yourself and can assure that it is

chemically and biologically clean, then it is probably better for

you.

Regards,

Bill E

[Guest guest]

Bill,

That made me smile. Thanks.

Best,

Bill Wise

PSC '00, Listed Tx 11/04

[Guest guest]

Thanks for that interesting thought Bill. Shall we say that it is food

for thought?

Lee

>

>

> " Dana " <daydayjoe@y...> wrote:

>> We had quite the argument tonight about, of all things, switching

> to

>> organic milk

>

> Dana,

> I'm not a big fan of organic foods. A typical American's ordered

> list of healthy eating priorities would look something like:

>

> Cut down on the amount of food

> Avoid really bad foods

> Prepare foods in a more healthy manner (less fried)

> Eat more healthy foods

> Design diet based on individual requirements

> Improve quality of food chosen

>

> In other words, the benefits of eating commercially grown broccoli

> are real. The benefit of french frying organic french fries in pure

> peanut oil are dubious.

>

> Next, organic growers do not have to follow the same guidelines for

> food purity as normal growers. Why? Because the processes that

> allow our food supply to be clean are not " organic " while the

> materials they eradicate or remove are. Fecal matter, rat hairs,

> insect larvae, microorganisms- all organic.

>

> From a cost effectiveness standpoint, you would probably help your

> child more by sending extra money you'd spend on organic to a liver

> research foundation. If he doesn't have cirrhosis yet, that means he

> can still benefit from a cure.

>

> Sorry to unload but this is one of those subjects that set me off.

> With the exception of small populations constantly exposed to truly

> bad actors, the health impact of modern chemistry has been

> overwhelmingly positive. Science is not a bad thing.

>

> Remember, the baby boom generation will live longer than any before

> them yet their childhood coincides with at time when DDT was sprayed

> at drive-ins to keep the bugs down. Imagine what a decent flea and

> tick collar would have done to the black plague ;-)

>

> On the other hand, if you raise it yourself and can assure that it is

> chemically and biologically clean, then it is probably better for

> you.

>

> Regards,

> Bill E

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bill E --

Thanks for putting things in perspective for me. As the mom of an

only child, I tend to go overboard sometimes. Your advice about a

general healthy approach to eating is right on target:

--- Bill E wrote: ---

> Cut down on the amount of food

> Avoid really bad foods

> Prepare foods in a more healthy manner (less fried)

> Eat more healthy foods

> Design diet based on individual requirements

> Improve quality of food chosen

>

> In other words, the benefits of eating commercially grown broccoli

> are real. The benefit of french frying organic french fries in

> pure peanut oil are dubious.

-- Dana

[Guest guest]

Of course I see this right after firing off another diatribe.

Dana, I am humbled. Thank you for being the person we all think we

are- ignoring my combative tone and finding some positive content.

My desire to " educate " made me forget that we aren't debating the

comparative value of computers here. The issues and concerns are

very real and very personal.

Thank you for your kindness and tolerance.

Bill E

" Dana " <daydayjoe@y...> wrote:

>

> Bill E --

>

> Thanks for putting things in perspective for me. As the mom of an

> only child, I tend to go overboard sometimes. Your advice about a

> general healthy approach to eating is right on target:

>

> -- Dana

[Guest guest]

Hey Dana,

Here’s an idea…..

Tell your husband you have read all the responses from “The Group” and

they agree that your husband was RIGHT all along, there really isn’t a

need to switch to organic milk right now. Then kiss him on the check and say “you

were right honey”. Your

husband will eat that up, the argument will be totally forgotten and better

still it might change his view about the group or at least put us in a better

light. Something that you might

need or want in the future. So

round one goes to him – you win all the rest!

Barb

-----Original Message-----

From: Dana

Bill

E --

Thanks for

putting things in perspective for me. As the mom of an

only child,

I tend to go overboard sometimes. Your advice about a

general

healthy approach to eating is right on target

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Bill E --

> >

> > Thanks for putting things in perspective for me. As the mom of

an

> > only child, I tend to go overboard sometimes. Your advice about

a

> > general healthy approach to eating is right on target:

> >

> > -- Dana

[Guest guest]

Bill,

" Enough of this mushy stuff " as my son would say!

Your argument really made sense to me. Thank you for opening my

eyes. This is exactly why I find this support group so helpful.

Dana

> >

> > Bill E --

> >

> > Thanks for putting things in perspective for me. As the mom of

an

> > only child, I tend to go overboard sometimes. Your advice about

a

> > general healthy approach to eating is right on target:

> >

> > -- Dana

[Guest guest]

Barb,

Funny you say that. I told him this morning that he was right about

organic food and specifically what Bill E. said about generally

eating healthier. I told him it was this group that set me on the

straight and narrow. But I did go ahead and order the organic milk.

Josh says he likes it better and I definitely prefer the taste.

We have kissed and made up. Though he still hasn't bothered to read

anything about PSC.

Dana

> Hey Dana,

>

> Here's an idea... Tell your husband you have read all the

responses from

> " The Group " and they agree that your husband was RIGHT all along,

there

> really isn't a need to switch to organic milk right now. Then

kiss him

> on the check and say " you were right honey " . Your husband will

eat that

> up, the argument will be totally forgotten and better still it

might

> change his view about the group or at least put us in a better

light.

> Something that you might need or want in the future. So round one

goes

> to him - you win all the rest!

>

> Barb

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Dana [mailto:daydayjoe@y...]

> Bill E --

> Thanks for putting things in perspective for me. As the mom of an

> only child, I tend to go overboard sometimes. Your advice about a

> general healthy approach to eating is right on target