Guest guest Posted February 12, 2003 Report Share Posted February 12, 2003 -I can tell you from my own experience, that vaccines were defintely a factor in my children developing autism. I have three children, ages 7, 4 and 2. My two older ones developed autism somewhere after 18 months after developing typically. My 2 year old has never been vaccinated and is continuing to develop normally. I recently got into a debate with our pediatrician about thimerosol, who claims it has NEVER been in our vaccines. You will never convince me this is true. For me it is no mere coincidence. Tina in Barrie, Ontario -- In , " The Woodcocks " <woodys@m.. ..> wrote: > > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the > > group: > > > > In Canada, childhood vaccines do not > > contain mercury, yet the incidence of > > autism is the same as in the U.S.A. > > I have 3 sons, US citizen living abroad in Canada. My sons have been > offered, and some received the hepatitis B vaccines here in Canada, and the > DTP vaccine here in Canada. I was told by the minister of health here in > Manitoba Canada that both of these vaccines do contain Thimersol. > Lori > Manitoba/Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2003 Report Share Posted February 20, 2003 > -I can tell you from my own experience, that vaccines were defintely > a factor in my children developing autism. I have three children, > ages 7, 4 and 2. My two older ones developed autism somewhere after > 18 months after developing typically. My 2 year old has never been > vaccinated and is continuing to develop normally. I recently got > into a debate with our pediatrician about thimerosol, who claims it > has NEVER been in our vaccines. You will never convince me this is > true. For me it is no mere coincidence. > > Tina in Barrie, Ontario > Next time you are in the doctor's office, ask him to let you have a look at the little containers in which they store the vaccines. You will see the word Thimerosal in it if that particular vaccine contains thimerosal. I have one for the flu shot and one for the HepA and they both contain Thimerosal. Tim in Ottawa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2003 Report Share Posted February 20, 2003 In the Good Ol' USA, by law the doctor HAS to provide the LOT # from the vaccine. You can cross correlate this with the manufacturer and find out if it was a " hot lot " or if it had thimerisol in it. Perhaps Canada is the same, aye? :-) It is my belief that vaccines are the cause of autism as well. The difference between my 17 year old and 4 year old? My little guy got 14 MORE " required " shots than the older one in the 1st 15 months of life. He's autistic. J In a message dated 2/20/2003 6:14:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, tinaszenasi@... writes: > >>-I can tell you from my own experience, that vaccines were > >defintely > >>a factor in my children developing autism. I have three > children, > >>ages 7, 4 and 2. My two older ones developed autism somewhere > >after > >>18 months after developing typically. My 2 year old has never > been > >>vaccinated and is continuing to develop normally. I recently got > >>into a debate with our pediatrician about thimerosol, who claims > it > >>has NEVER been in our vaccines. You will never convince me this > is > >>true. For me it is no mere coincidence. > >> > >>Tina in Barrie, Ontario > >> > > > >Next time you are in the doctor's office, ask him to let you > >have a look at the little containers in which they store > >the vaccines. You will see the word Thimerosal in it if > >that particular vaccine contains thimerosal. I have one > >for the flu shot and one for the HepA and they both > >contain Thimerosal. > > > >Tim in Ottawa > > Tim, > > Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately, my tow older ones were > vaccinated in Alberta, so it would make it kinda tough. I have > decided I am through with traditional doctors anyway-I don't believe > a word they say. I am very glad I did not vaccinate my youngest. > Even without vaccines, he has high levels of lead, cadmium and > aluminum. > > Tina > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2003 Report Share Posted February 20, 2003 > > -I can tell you from my own experience, that vaccines were > defintely > > a factor in my children developing autism. I have three children, > > ages 7, 4 and 2. My two older ones developed autism somewhere > after > > 18 months after developing typically. My 2 year old has never been > > vaccinated and is continuing to develop normally. I recently got > > into a debate with our pediatrician about thimerosol, who claims it > > has NEVER been in our vaccines. You will never convince me this is > > true. For me it is no mere coincidence. > > > > Tina in Barrie, Ontario > > > > Next time you are in the doctor's office, ask him to let you > have a look at the little containers in which they store > the vaccines. You will see the word Thimerosal in it if > that particular vaccine contains thimerosal. I have one > for the flu shot and one for the HepA and they both > contain Thimerosal. > > Tim in Ottawa Tim, Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately, my tow older ones were vaccinated in Alberta, so it would make it kinda tough. I have decided I am through with traditional doctors anyway-I don't believe a word they say. I am very glad I did not vaccinate my youngest. Even without vaccines, he has high levels of lead, cadmium and aluminum. Tina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 If any of you can up with more specific details on what was mentioned below, I would love to hear about that and check out the links/info. Aasanevergiveup883 <ynot2@...> wrote: Oh, forgot to mention, the number they quoted in that news story was 1 in 160 in Cda.Laurie> >> > I recently read somewhere about how the canadian govt had said they > > were going non-thimerosal and publicized this widely but then it was > > discovered that they continued to give thimerosal containing jabs until > > sometime in 2003... but I can't find a link on it--anyone have a link > > handy to that article/information?> > > > W> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 I have repeatedly posted this and Ginger has kindly used this as a link. http://tinyurl.com/8mzdk Please understand, there is no difinitive cut off date as to what is laden or " contaminated " and Canada's provinces overide the federal basis much like the US (provincial takes precedent). Therefore, a federal mandate has little effect on the reality of the situation. As an extra piss off on my part... the numbers in Canada HAVE NEVER BEEN RECORDED. See point A). No doctor that is respected in the Autism community (meaning not federally funded) has ever tried to quote a base number. Note any DR in Cda has largely used the US " infection " rate as a base, and used that to appeal to the masses. Health Candada has never kept data, and still to this day does not. Canada has still not absorbed the full impact of this disease (Asshats is still my favourite word). Further, our data is not - depending on province - medically based and Autism is not considered a medical disease - yup we are actually more fu**ed than you are) This disease entails that we must register with your idea of DCSF for services. It is not covered under medical, or education, but social services. A doctor does not report this, it is illegal, a school cannot report this unless a doctor does and he cannot unless a parent requests him with the conference of a speach path and a dev. psychologist. .... follow the bouncing ball.... And then, regardless of medical record this cannot be released to the gov. without parental consent. Privacy Act. ergo.... NO RECORDS Please, if you have more requests forward them. Many are willing to answer here, if only someone asks the questions! Canada and Vaccinations - a clarification Recently a lot of misinformation has been circulating on the internet regarding Health Canada and the removal of thimerosal. Some are using the fact that Canada has removed all thimerosal from vaccinations since 1997 and the autism rates have not dropped as proof positive that thimerosal exposure is not linked to autism. Unfortunately this logic or " proof positive " is flawed for two simple reasons. a) Thimerosal has not been removed from all vaccinations and is still being used in the manufacturing process Health Canada has no official statistics on autism I personally have no idea what caused my son's autism. I am of the opinion that it is both environmental and genetic. I do not soley blame thimerosal and/or the other toxic additives in his vaccinations but I do not discount them. Regardless of the dosage of thimerosal, aluminum, live virus etc. I do believe it is what put him " over the edge " . To summarize the information below, in the manufacturing of routine vaccines available in Canada thimerosal is used and " most " is removed. No exact date can be given as to when each province changed their policies and no assurances can be given as to when the old stock of vaccinations was used up and the thimerosal free vaccinations came into use. Further, language like some, many, licenced and available show up throughout Health Canada's statements, avoiding a difinitive answer. I find this disconcerting when it is regarding a very important issue. Presently, the following vaccinations/shots containing thimerosal are still being administered to infants and pregnant mothers: * The flu vaccine * Hep B * RhoGam --------------------------------------------------------------------- Background Thimerosal is a mercury-containing preservative that has been used as a vaccine additive for > 60 years. High-dose, acute or chronic mercury exposure of children and adults can cause neuro- and nephrotoxicity(1-4). However, there are limited data examining the effects of low-dose, intermittent mercury exposure, for example, when infants are immunized with thimerosal-containing vaccines. Currently, the only thimerosal-containing vaccine in routine use in the infant immunization schedules of some Canadian jurisdictions is hepatitis B vaccine. In a statement released in December 1999(5), Canada's National Advisory Committee on Immunization recommended no change to existing infant immunization programs for three reasons: - absence of exposure (in eight provinces), or very low cumulative exposure of Canadian infants to vaccine-derived thimerosal (in two provinces and both territories where thimerosal-containing hepatitis B vaccine was, at that time, used in routine infant immunization programs*); - lack of evidence of harm from exposure to the dose of mercury in thimerosal-containing hepatitis B vaccine given to infants < 6 months age; and, - no thimerosal-free hepatitis B vaccine was licensed for use in Canada at that time. New Brunswick, Prince Island, Yukon and Northwest Territories were the only jurisdictions in Canada with a universal infant hepatitis B immunization program in 1999. --------------------------------------------------------------------- As of January 2002, three provinces (New Brunswick, Prince Island and British Columbia), along with Yukon, Northwest Territories and Nunavut, had incorporated hepatitis B vaccine into their routine infant immunization schedules (Dr. T. Tam, Health Canada, Ottawa: personal communication, 2002). Across these six jurisdictions, five different schedules of infant hepatitis B vaccination have been implemented, offering three doses of hepatitis B vaccine at various times between birth and 15 months of age. Two licensed recombinant hepatitis B vaccines (Engerix BTM [Glaxo kline] and Recombivax BTM [Merck Frosst Canada]) have been available in Canada since these programs were initiated, containing thimerosal at a concentration of 0.005% or 50 µg/mL. A regular infant dose of 0.5 mL Engerix BTM contains 12.5 µg of ethylmercury, while a regular infant dose of 0.25 mL of Recombivax BTM contains 6.25 µg. Depending on the product and hepatitis B immunization schedule, Canadian infants from the above six Canadian jurisdictions could have been exposed to between 12.5 µg and 37.5 µg of ethylmercury in the first 6 months of life (or an average of 0.069 µg/day to 0.206 µg/day), from thimerosal-containing hepatitis B vaccine. Please note: That Health Canada is breaking this down to a daily doseage yet the child receives a exposure enmass each time he/she is vaccinated. As it was explained to me " You can take a Tylenol a day over 30 days and not have any ill effects but, if you take 30 Tylenol in one day you are bound to kill yourself. " Averaging out exposure is illogical. Many vaccines licensed in Canada contain no thimerosal. Such vaccines are single-dose preparations in which thimerosal has not been used in any part of the manufacturing process. Other vaccines may contain trace amounts of thimerosal ( < 0.5 µg) if the preservative has been used in the production process, but have no added thimerosal. An example is one of the formulations of EngerixB™. A third group of vaccines have thimerosal added as a preservative. Such vaccines are typically those supplied in multi- dose vials, with thimerosal added in varying concentrations to prevent contamination with other serious infectious agents. Many of these vaccines are not in common use, but some, like influenza vaccine, are administered to millions of people in Canada with no evident adverse effect. In Canada, the vaccines currently used in routine infant immunization do not contain thimerosal (see Table 1). Some hepatitis B vaccines licensed in Canada do, but one formulation with no thimerosal and another with only trace amounts are now available in Canada, and NACI recommends their use in infants preferentially. The two hepatitis B vaccines in which thimerosal is added as a preservative are gradually being phased out. Influenza vaccine also contains thimerosal but is only recommended for use in Canada for those infants > 6 months of age. The other vaccines licensed in Canada that contain thimerosal are primarily used for people travelling to developing countries and are not routinely administered to infants. http://tinyurl.com/7wrjn --------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 Laurie, You many notice a ton of numbers are being thrown around about Canada. Our Autism rates like Denmark have not dropped, etc. Canada is a great mark because it has no official statistics. The rate we are using is 1 in 190ish to 200. > > > > > > I recently read somewhere about how the canadian govt had said they > > > were going non-thimerosal and publicized this widely but then it was > > > discovered that they continued to give thimerosal containing jabs until > > > sometime in 2003... but I can't find a link on it--anyone have a link > > > handy to that article/information? > > > > > > W > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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